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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

Patrick McAneny
 

I disconnected the arm/rod from the wastegate lever, I was able to push to rod towards the actuator slightly . I put vise grips on the wastegate lever and was not able with great effort , to move it more than 1/32 of an inch . Should I not be able to move the lever and open and close the gate by hand? The lever is pointing straight forward , would that be open or closed? What would prevent the gate from moving ? Hate to ask all these questions, but I don't know the answers .
Thanks,
Pat SM123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 9:11 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs







Pat,

From what you describe,I am assuming you have an external waste gate. Here is a youtube video that shouldgive you an idea of how it should move: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2i_bQBEP78

You should beable to move the rod a little by hand to see if it is seized.

One otherthought, is the hose to the waste gate in good condition?



With bestregards,

Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel- Cream Puff
www.creampuff.us



From:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs





Mark,So you are saying , that I should easily be able to move the lever arm and theconnected rod on the turbo ? I could not move it at all . With the enginerunning and as I push the throttle up , what should I expect to see ,would there be a noticeable movement ? This could be it , maybe the gate isstuck open or closed , which would have to impact rpms. I will disconnect the arm and see if I can move the lever on the turbo . If I can , thenmaybe the problem is with the circular part that the arm is connected to. Idon,t understand what this part does. Does it expand and contract , thus movingthe arm/lever ? I appreciate you taking your time to help me sort this out. Ihave a friend that had a beautiful 45' Cabo Rico , he has said many times , hewished they had a group such as we do , to help sort problems out . The Amelgroup is perhaps one of the best reasons for purchasing an Amel.

Thanks Again,

Pat

SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners]<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 14, 2017 10:13 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs





Pat,



Forgot to say, yes you shouldbe able to move it easily.






With best regards,



Mark



Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us





From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs








Mark, The prop is clean , thelinkage is ok , the fuel filters are new and I see no signs of leakage on anyfuel line. I just took off the exhaust elbow and it was clean , even shiny , except was a few small clumps of mush seemingly oil soaked , maybe a teaspoontotal. I took off the turbo shield and the short rod that controls the wastegate is rusty as well as the circular piece where it enters. I could not movethe rod , should I be able to ? Could my problem be a stuck wast gate ?


Thanks,


PatSM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 7:00 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs







Pat, the fact you can get to3000rpm in neutral doesn’t tell us much. It is the load that is causing theproblem. The engine is not generating enough energy to offset the applied load.Fuel is energy. This usually means fuel issues. The more load, the more fuel isneeded to create the horsepower.





Where you able to get to 3000rpm right before you changed the filters? Or, was this something you did to tryto fix the issue?





Here are some additionalthoughts on fuel:





Do you have a lift pump forfuel? (not sure on the Volvo and your Amel). If so check the diaphragm,


Air in fuel lines (connectionsloose). The engine will pull air rather than fuel if it can.


O-rings sitting correctly onfuel filter give a good seal?


If you changed the fuel filteris the new one sitting correctly and sealed?





A couple of other thoughts:





Check for blockage in exhausthose (not enough air to burn fuel)


I know you said you cleaned theprop but is it possible something is caught in it (piece of rope or fishingline)





Let’s hope it is something thissimple J















With best regards,





Mark





Skipper


Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff -SM2K - #275


Currently cruising - Grenada


www.creampuff.us







From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs











Mark, Thanks for getting back . Iused the same and correct filters. I observed that the linkage moved forwardwell beyond the 2200 point , but no further increase in rpms. The engine seemsto run smoothly , if it were an injector would you have a noticeable telltale ?Is the fact that in neutral It gets to 3000 rpm mean anything?



Thanks,



Pat



-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 4:57 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs









Pat,







Here is a great page to giveyou some additional thoughts: https://www.sbmar.com/articles/understanding-low-power-troubleshooting/







White smoke is usually a signof not enough air intake or failing fuel injector(s). However, white smoke isusually pretty noticeable. You say “a little white smoke” so I would not thinkit is an indication.







Also, another common issue mostpeople do not check is the throttle linkage. Can you get RPM if you go down tothe engine an manually move the throttle?







Else, I would start with thefuel system and work from there.



“replaced both fuelfilters” did you replace them with the same type?







Tubo failure will usually pumpout black smoke.








With best regards,







Mark







Skipper



Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff -SM2K - #275



Currently cruising - Grenada



www.creampuff.us









From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs














I have not been able to get above2200 rpms , normally I have always gotten to 3000 at full throttle on my VolvoTMD 22A . I just cleaned my fixed prop and replaced both fuel filters , stillwon't go beyond 2200 rpm. It will get above 3000 rpm in neutral and I notice alittle white smoke. Any thoughts on what could cause the limited rpms in gear .I rebuilt the turbo 3 years ago. Any thoughts would be appreciated.



I just read that the military haslanded in the BVIs and St. Martin to restore order . That has to be a relief tothose stuck there . Our thoughts and good wishes to everyone impacted by Irma.



Thanks,



Pat



SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: hawse pipe repair

John Clark
 

Thank you Hans,
    I was loath to cut into the underside of the deck just for examination.  The previous owner replaced the windlass a few years ago so I expect the mounting bolts, particularly the one attached to the backing plate to be easy to remove.  I will check the condition of the pipe/plate is at deck level before doing any "destructive investigation."  

 Ff I can salvage the top and bottom of the pipe without cutting into the fiberglass I think that would be preferable. From the outside it seems to be the middle-aft section of pipe that has the worst rust issue. I have a portable TIG welder on board, so I could weld a new section of pipe to the stubs if they are still good.    My pipe seems to be constructed of galvanized steel, I wonder why Amel didn't use stainless steel for this part of the vessel which is chronically exposed to saltwater? 

   Regards,   John

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
heading to Oriental, NC

On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 3:46 PM, tijssen.hans@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,

I had the hawse pipe replaced by a stainless steel one.
Yes, the small backing plate is part of the pipe.
I am not an engineer, but do feel that the pipe, which is glassed to deck and floor, does give additional support to the windlass.

Hope this helps.
Regards,
Hans Tijssen
SM 120 TISHUIT at anchor Patmos Island, Greece



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, Thanks for the video , it explained how it works. I never thought to see if youtube had a video , I will use it in the future to answer some questions.I will go out now to the boat to see if I can move it by hand.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 9:11 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 
Pat,
 
From what you describe, I am assuming you have an external waste gate. Here is a youtube video that should give you an idea of how it should move: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2i_bQBEP78
 
You should be able to move the rod a little by hand to see if it is seized.
 
One other thought, is the hose to the waste gate in good condition?
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
Mark, So you are saying , that I should easily be able to move the lever arm and the connected rod on the turbo ? I could not move it at all . With the engine running and as I push the throttle up , what should I expect to  see , would there be a noticeable movement ? This could be it , maybe the gate is stuck open or closed , which would have to impact rpms. I will disconnect  the arm and see if I can move the lever on the turbo . If I can , then maybe the problem is with the circular part that the arm is connected to. I don,t understand what this part does. Does it expand and contract , thus moving the arm/lever ? I appreciate you taking your time to help me sort this out. I have a friend that had a beautiful 45' Cabo Rico , he has said many times , he wished they had a group such as we do , to help sort problems out . The Amel group is perhaps one of the best reasons for purchasing an Amel.
Thanks Again,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Thu, Sep 14, 2017 10:13 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
Pat,
 
Forgot to say, yes you should be able to move it easily.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
Mark, The prop is clean , the linkage is ok , the fuel filters are new and I see no signs of leakage on any fuel line. I just took off the exhaust elbow and it was clean , even shiny  , except was a few small clumps of mush seemingly oil soaked , maybe a teaspoon total. I took off the turbo shield and the short rod that controls the waste gate is rusty as well as the circular piece where it enters. I could not move the rod , should I be able to ? Could my problem be a stuck wast gate ?
Thanks,
Pat SM#123
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 7:00 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
Pat, the fact you can get to 3000rpm in neutral doesn’t tell us much. It is the load that is causing the problem. The engine is not generating enough energy to offset the applied load. Fuel is energy. This usually means fuel issues. The more load, the more fuel is needed to create the horsepower.
 
Where you able to get to 3000 rpm right before you changed the filters? Or, was this something you did to try to fix the issue?
 
Here are some additional thoughts on fuel:
 
Do you have a lift pump for fuel? (not sure on the Volvo and your Amel). If so check the diaphragm,
Air in fuel lines (connections loose). The engine will pull air rather than fuel if it can.
O-rings sitting correctly on fuel filter give a good seal?
If you changed the fuel filter is the new one sitting correctly and sealed?
 
A couple of other thoughts:
 
Check for blockage in exhaust hose (not enough air to burn fuel)
I know you said you cleaned the prop but is it possible something is caught in it (piece of rope or fishing line)
 
Let’s hope it is something this simple J
 
 
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
Mark, Thanks for getting back . I used the same and correct filters. I observed that the linkage moved forward well beyond the 2200 point , but no further increase in rpms. The engine seems to run smoothly , if it were an injector would you have a noticeable telltale ? Is the fact that in neutral It gets to 3000 rpm mean anything?
Thanks,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 4:57 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
Pat,
 
Here is a great page to give you some additional thoughts: https://www.sbmar.com/articles/understanding-low-power-troubleshooting/
 
White smoke is usually a sign of not enough air intake or failing fuel injector(s). However, white smoke is usually pretty noticeable. You say “a little white smoke” so I would not think it is an indication.
 
Also, another common issue most people do not check is the throttle linkage. Can you get RPM if you go down to the engine an manually move the throttle?
 
Else, I would start with the fuel system and work from there.
 “replaced both fuel filters” did you replace them with the same type?
 
Tubo failure will usually pump out black smoke.
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
I have not been able to get above 2200 rpms , normally I have always gotten to 3000 at full throttle on my Volvo TMD 22A . I just cleaned my fixed prop and replaced both fuel filters , still won't go beyond 2200 rpm. It will get above 3000 rpm in neutral and I notice a little white smoke. Any thoughts on what could cause the limited rpms in gear . I rebuilt the turbo 3 years ago. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I just read that the military has landed in the BVIs and St. Martin to restore order . That has to be a relief to those stuck there . Our thoughts and good wishes to everyone impacted by Irma.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, I eliminated the obvious first, But have been wondering if it could be a turbo issue. I had it rebuilt 550 hrs. ago . I ran the engine slower than I should for long periods , trying to conserve fuel on long passages . The elbow had no carbon , what would cause the waste gate to seize up ? I was able to achieve 3000 rpms probably 20 engine hrs. ago , and have not ran the engine hard since then , Could damage to the rings occur that quickly ? I don't understand what moves the  waste gate or determines its position . The round part , I have always wondered what that looks like inside , and what makes it expand or contract to move the arm or even if it does. Owning a boat is a never ending education , and I have a C average.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Sep 14, 2017 3:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 
Hi Pat,
I pretend no expertise other than experience. My TMD22 showed the same symptoms. The seized waste gate causes over pressurization by the turbo. The waste gate is there to control the pressure delivered and as the revs rise it progressively opens. Over pressurization over time causes damage to the piston rings leading to loss of compression and lack of power. I went through all the processes of turbo, injectors, injector pump, fuel systems, you name it, I did it. In the end it came to a choice. Over haul the engine or replace it. I replaced it with the Volvo  D 2 75. I hope your problem has a more simple solution.
Two warnings: 1) The function of the waste gate is critical and needs to be checked periodically.
2) If any member is considering a replacement of a 75 or 80 hp engine Amel advised me that the C drive on the boats fitted with these engines cannot carry the load of a 100 hp engine. The 100 hp models had an upgraded C drive
Reg ards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 15 September 2017 at 06:59 "Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Mark, The prop is clean , the linkage is ok , the fuel filters are new and I see no signs of leakage on any fuel line. I just took off the exhaust elbow and it was clean , even shiny  , except was a few small clumps of mush seemingly oil soaked , maybe a teaspoon total. I took off the turbo shield and the short rod that controls the waste gate is rusty as well as the circular piece where it enters. I could not move the rod , should I be able to ? Could my problem be a stuck wast gate ?
Thanks,
Pat SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 7:00 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 
 
Pat, the fact you can get to 3000rpm in neutral doesn’t tell us much. It is the load that is causing the problem. The engine is not generating enough energy to offset the applied load. Fuel is energy. This usually means fuel issues. The more load, the more fuel is needed to create the horsepower.
 
Where you able to get to 3000 rpm right before you changed the filters? Or, was this something you did to try to fix the issue?
 
Here are some additional thoughts on fuel:
 
Do you have a lift pump for fuel? (not sure on the Volvo and your Amel). If so check the diaphragm,
Air in fuel lines (connections loose). The engine will pull air rather than fuel if it can.
O-rings sitting correctly on fuel filter give a good seal?
If you changed the fuel filter is the new one sitting correctly and sealed?
 
A couple of other thoughts:
 
Check for blockage in exhaust hose (not enough air to burn fuel)
I know you said you cleaned the prop but is it possible something is caught in it (piece of rope or fishing line)
 
Le t’s hope it is something this simple J
 
 
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
Mark, Thanks for getting back . I used the same and correct filters. I observed that the linkage moved forward well beyond the 2200 point , but no further increase in rpms. The engine seems to run smoothly , if it were an injector would you have a noticeable telltale ? Is the fact that in neutral It gets to 3000 rpm mean anything?
Thanks,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] < amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 4:57 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
Pat,
 
Here is a great page to give you some additional thoughts: https://www.sbmar.com/articles/understanding-low-power-troubleshooting/
 
White smoke is usually a sign of not enough air intake or failing fuel injector(s). However, white smoke i s usually pretty noticeable. You say “a little white smoke” so I would not think it is an indication.
 
Also, another common issue most people do not check is the throttle linkage. Can you get RPM if you go down to the engine an manually move the throttle?
 
Else, I would start with the fuel system and work from there.
 “replaced both fuel filters” did you replace them with the same type?
 
Tubo failure will usually pump out black smoke.
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, Sep tember 11, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
I have not been able to get above 2200 rpms , normally I have always gotten to 3000 at full throttle on my Volvo TMD 22A . I just cleaned my fixed prop and replaced both fuel filters , still won't go beyond 2200 rpm. It will get above 3000 rpm in neutral and I notice a little white smoke. Any thoughts on what could cause the limited rpms in gear . I rebuilt the turbo 3 years ago. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I just read that the military has landed in the BVIs and St. Martin to restore order . That has to be a relief to those stuck there . Our thoughts and good wishes to everyone impacted by Irma.
Thanks,
P at
SM Shenanigans
 
 
 
 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

Mark Erdos
 

Pat,

 

From what you describe, I am assuming you have an external waste gate. Here is a youtube video that should give you an idea of how it should move: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2i_bQBEP78

 

You should be able to move the rod a little by hand to see if it is seized.

 

One other thought, is the hose to the waste gate in good condition?

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

 

Mark, So you are saying , that I should easily be able to move the lever arm and the connected rod on the turbo ? I could not move it at all . With the engine running and as I push the throttle up , what should I expect to  see , would there be a noticeable movement ? This could be it , maybe the gate is stuck open or closed , which would have to impact rpms. I will disconnect  the arm and see if I can move the lever on the turbo . If I can , then maybe the problem is with the circular part that the arm is connected to. I don,t understand what this part does. Does it expand and contract , thus moving the arm/lever ? I appreciate you taking your time to help me sort this out. I have a friend that had a beautiful 45' Cabo Rico , he has said many times , he wished they had a group such as we do , to help sort problems out . The Amel group is perhaps one of the best reasons for purchasing an Amel.

Thanks Again,

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Sep 14, 2017 10:13 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

Pat,

 

Forgot to say, yes you should be able to move it easily.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

 

Mark, The prop is clean , the linkage is ok , the fuel filters are new and I see no signs of leakage on any fuel line. I just took off the exhaust elbow and it was clean , even shiny  , except was a few small clumps of mush seemingly oil soaked , maybe a teaspoon total. I took off the turbo shield and the short rod that controls the waste gate is rusty as well as the circular piece where it enters. I could not move the rod , should I be able to ? Could my problem be a stuck wast gate ?

Thanks,

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 7:00 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

Pat, the fact you can get to 3000rpm in neutral doesn’t tell us much. It is the load that is causing the problem. The engine is not generating enough energy to offset the applied load. Fuel is energy. This usually means fuel issues. The more load, the more fuel is needed to create the horsepower.

 

Where you able to get to 3000 rpm right before you changed the filters? Or, was this something you did to try to fix the issue?

 

Here are some additional thoughts on fuel:

 

Do you have a lift pump for fuel? (not sure on the Volvo and your Amel). If so check the diaphragm,

Air in fuel lines (connections loose). The engine will pull air rather than fuel if it can.

O-rings sitting correctly on fuel filter give a good seal?

If you changed the fuel filter is the new one sitting correctly and sealed?

 

A couple of other thoughts:

 

Check for blockage in exhaust hose (not enough air to burn fuel)

I know you said you cleaned the prop but is it possible something is caught in it (piece of rope or fishing line)

 

Let’s hope it is something this simple J

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

 

Mark, Thanks for getting back . I used the same and correct filters. I observed that the linkage moved forward well beyond the 2200 point , but no further increase in rpms. The engine seems to run smoothly , if it were an injector would you have a noticeable telltale ? Is the fact that in neutral It gets to 3000 rpm mean anything?

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 4:57 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

Pat,

 

Here is a great page to give you some additional thoughts: https://www.sbmar.com/articles/understanding-low-power-troubleshooting/

 

White smoke is usually a sign of not enough air intake or failing fuel injector(s). However, white smoke is usually pretty noticeable. You say “a little white smoke” so I would not think it is an indication.

 

Also, another common issue most people do not check is the throttle linkage. Can you get RPM if you go down to the engine an manually move the throttle?

 

Else, I would start with the fuel system and work from there.

 “replaced both fuel filters” did you replace them with the same type?

 

Tubo failure will usually pump out black smoke.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

 

I have not been able to get above 2200 rpms , normally I have always gotten to 3000 at full throttle on my Volvo TMD 22A . I just cleaned my fixed prop and replaced both fuel filters , still won't go beyond 2200 rpm. It will get above 3000 rpm in neutral and I notice a little white smoke. Any thoughts on what could cause the limited rpms in gear . I rebuilt the turbo 3 years ago. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I just read that the military has landed in the BVIs and St. Martin to restore order . That has to be a relief to those stuck there . Our thoughts and good wishes to everyone impacted by Irma.

Thanks,

Pat

SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, So you are saying , that I should easily be able to move the lever arm and the connected rod on the turbo ? I could not move it at all . With the engine running and as I push the throttle up , what should I expect to  see , would there be a noticeable movement ? This could be it , maybe the gate is stuck open or closed , which would have to impact rpms. I will disconnect  the arm and see if I can move the lever on the turbo . If I can , then maybe the problem is with the circular part that the arm is connected to. I don,t understand what this part does. Does it expand and contract , thus moving the arm/lever ? I appreciate you taking your time to help me sort this out. I have a friend that had a beautiful 45' Cabo Rico , he has said many times , he wished they had a group such as we do , to help sort problems out . The Amel group is perhaps one of the best reasons for purchasing an Amel.
Thanks Again,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Sep 14, 2017 10:13 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 
Pat,
 
Forgot to say, yes you should be able to move it easily.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
Mark, The prop is clean , the linkage is ok , the fuel filters are new and I see no signs of leakage on any fuel line. I just took off the exhaust elbow and it was clean , even shiny  , except was a few small clumps of mush seemingly oil soaked , maybe a teaspoon total. I took off the turbo shield and the short rod that controls the waste gate is rusty as well as the circular piece where it enters. I could not move the rod , should I be able to ? Could my problem be a stuck wast gate ?
Thanks,
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 7:00 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
Pat, the fact you can get to 3000rpm in neutral doesn’t tell us much. It is the load that is causing the problem. The engine is not generating enough energy to offset the applied load. Fuel is energy. This usually means fuel issues. The more load, the more fuel is needed to create the horsepower.
 
Where you able to get to 3000 rpm right before you changed the filters? Or, was this something you did to try to fix the issue?
 
Here are some additional thoughts on fuel:
 
Do you have a lift pump for fuel? (not sure on the Volvo and your Amel). If so check the diaphragm,
Air in fuel lines (connections loose). The engine will pull air rather than fuel if it can.
O-rings sitting correctly on fuel filter give a good seal?
If you changed the fuel filter is the new one sitting correctly and sealed?
 
A couple of other thoughts:
 
Check for blockage in exhaust hose (not enough air to burn fuel)
I know you said you cleaned the prop but is it possible something is caught in it (piece of rope or fishing line)
 
Let’s hope it is something this simple J
 
 
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
Mark, Thanks for getting back . I used the same and correct filters. I observed that the linkage moved forward well beyond the 2200 point , but no further increase in rpms. The engine seems to run smoothly , if it were an injector would you have a noticeable telltale ? Is the fact that in neutral It gets to 3000 rpm mean anything?
Thanks,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 4:57 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
Pat,
 
Here is a great page to give you some additional thoughts: https://www.sbmar.com/articles/understanding-low-power-troubleshooting/
 
White smoke is usually a sign of not enough air intake or failing fuel injector(s). However, white smoke is usually pretty noticeable. You say “a little white smoke” so I would not think it is an indication.
 
Also, another common issue most people do not check is the throttle linkage. Can you get RPM if you go down to the engine an manually move the throttle?
 
Else, I would start with the fuel system and work from there.
 “replaced both fuel filters” did you replace them with the same type?
 
Tubo failure will usually pump out black smoke.
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
I have not been able to get above 2200 rpms , normally I have always gotten to 3000 at full throttle on my Volvo TMD 22A . I just cleaned my fixed prop and replaced both fuel filters , still won't go beyond 2200 rpm. It will get above 3000 rpm in neutral and I notice a little white smoke. Any thoughts on what could cause the limited rpms in gear . I rebuilt the turbo 3 years ago. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I just read that the military has landed in the BVIs and St. Martin to restore order . That has to be a relief to those stuck there . Our thoughts and good wishes to everyone impacted by Irma.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

Patrick McAneny
 

Ken , I never have heard this before, I don,t know how one measures exhaust pressure or what it should be. I wish I had a local Volvo mechanic I had faith in. I did replace the timing belt a few years ago , about 550 hrs. ago.If the elbow is clean and unclogged , I wonder if you can assume the manifold would be in similar condition. The last ten yrs. the boat has been run primarily in fresh , brackish water here on the Chesapeake . I will keep this in mine as a possibility .
Thanks '
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Powers sailingaquarius@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 3:41 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 
Hello Pat,

According to Volvo Penta you need to replace the exhaust manifold about every 2000 hours or so.  If you don't replace it, the airflow starts to restrict.  The part cost about $600, and takes about 1 to 2 hours to replace.  You may be able to clean it up, but at some point it will rust through and fail.  At least this is what the Volvo Penta guy said in Martinique where I had mine replaced.   Mine had a lot of build up where the salt water is mixed with the exhaust to cool it down.  After replacing this manifold, I did gain some RPM's.  Aquarius' engine has about 3500 hours.  Volvo Penta instructed me to change the timing belt and Exhaust manifold which both should have been completed at 2000 hours, or 7 years.   They both worked will until I bought the boat with 3500 hours and 17 years of service.  They might have worked longer, but now they are new.  This is what new owners do....  Replace stuff that may or may not need replacing.  

So, check your exhaust pressure, as this might be a problem as well.

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K #262
Currently away from Aquarius in Las Vegas
Aquarius is in Trinidad


On Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:13 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Pat,
 
Forgot to say, yes you should be able to move it easily.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
Mark, The prop is clean , the linkage is ok , the fuel filters are new and I see no signs of leakage on any fuel line. I just took off the exhaust elbow and it was clean , even shiny  , except was a few small clumps of mush seemingly oil soaked , maybe a teaspoon total. I took off the turbo shield and the short rod that controls the waste gate is rusty as well as the circular piece where it enters. I could not move the rod , should I be able to ? Could my problem be a stuck wast gate ?
Thanks,
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 7:00 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
Pat, the fact you can get to 3000rpm in neutral doesn’t tell us much. It is the load that is causing the problem. The engine is not generating enough energy to offset the applied load. Fuel is energy. This usually means fuel issues. The more load, the more fuel is needed to create the horsepower.
 
Where you able to get to 3000 rpm right before you changed the filters? Or, was this something you did to try to fix the issue?
 
Here are some additional thoughts on fuel:
 
Do you have a lift pump for fuel? (not sure on the Volvo and your Amel). If so check the diaphragm,
Air in fuel lines (connections loose). The engine will pull air rather than fuel if it can.
O-rings sitting correctly on fuel filter give a good seal?
If you changed the fuel filter is the new one sitting correctly and sealed?
 
A couple of other thoughts:
 
Check for blockage in exhaust hose (not enough air to burn fuel)
I know you said you cleaned the prop but is it possible something is caught in it (piece of rope or fishing line)
 
Let’s hope it is something this simple J
 
 
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
Mark, Thanks for getting back . I used the same and correct filters. I observed that the linkage moved forward well beyond the 2200 point , but no further increase in rpms. The engine seems to run smoothly , if it were an injector would you have a noticeable telltale ? Is the fact that in neutral It gets to 3000 rpm mean anything?
Thanks,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 4:57 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
Pat,
 
Here is a great page to give you some additional thoughts: https://www.sbmar.com/articles/understanding-low-power-troubleshooting/
 
White smoke is usually a sign of not enough air intake or failing fuel injector(s). However, white smoke is usually pretty noticeable. You say “a little white smoke” so I would not think it is an indication.
 
Also, another common issue most people do not check is the throttle linkage. Can you get RPM if you go down to the engine an manually move the throttle?
 
Else, I would start with the fuel system and work from there.
 “replaced both fuel filters” did you replace them with the same type?
 
Tubo failure will usually pump out black smoke.
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
I have not been able to get above 2200 rpms , normally I have always gotten to 3000 at full throttle on my Volvo TMD 22A . I just cleaned my fixed prop and replaced both fuel filters , still won't go beyond 2200 rpm. It will get above 3000 rpm in neutral and I notice a little white smoke. Any thoughts on what could cause the limited rpms in gear . I rebuilt the turbo 3 years ago. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I just read that the military has landed in the BVIs and St. Martin to restore order . That has to be a relief to those stuck there . Our thoughts and good wishes to everyone impacted by Irma.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: motors for outhaul and furling

karkauai
 

sav "at" amel "dot" fr

+33 5 46 55 00 75

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main Mast Deck Light

philipp.sollberger@...
 

Hi Mark, 
I had the same problem during the two last years. Amel replaced the ring twice. For the third time they told me, that this deck light ran out and they couldn't order a new one.
Instead of this I bought the new  one from AMEL which is a hune and deck light combined component.
Mine is from Aqua Signal: combi steaming deck light 

It is more solid and there is no ring to replace. I you get a ring somewhere, I recommend to put a small line on it which is connected to the light, that you don't loose it next time.

Fair winds.

Best regards,

Philipp

SM124 # Félicie


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: motors for outhaul and furling

Alan Leslie
 

Bob,
You contact Maud normally on email   sav at amel dot fr
But recently she has been using sav_1 at amel dot fr
Hope that helps
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
 

Hello Pat,

According to Volvo Penta you need to replace the exhaust manifold about every 2000 hours or so.  If you don't replace it, the airflow starts to restrict.  The part cost about $600, and takes about 1 to 2 hours to replace.  You may be able to clean it up, but at some point it will rust through and fail.  At least this is what the Volvo Penta guy said in Martinique where I had mine replaced.   Mine had a lot of build up where the salt water is mixed with the exhaust to cool it down.  After replacing this manifold, I did gain some RPM's.  Aquarius' engine has about 3500 hours.  Volvo Penta instructed me to change the timing belt and Exhaust manifold which both should have been completed at 2000 hours, or 7 years.   They both worked will until I bought the boat with 3500 hours and 17 years of service.  They might have worked longer, but now they are new.  This is what new owners do....  Replace stuff that may or may not need replacing.  

So, check your exhaust pressure, as this might be a problem as well.

Ken Powers
Aquarius SM2K #262
Currently away from Aquarius in Las Vegas
Aquarius is in Trinidad


On Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:13 PM, "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Pat,
 
Forgot to say, yes you should be able to move it easily.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff
www.creampuff.us
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
Mark, The prop is clean , the linkage is ok , the fuel filters are new and I see no signs of leakage on any fuel line. I just took off the exhaust elbow and it was clean , even shiny  , except was a few small clumps of mush seemingly oil soaked , maybe a teaspoon total. I took off the turbo shield and the short rod that controls the waste gate is rusty as well as the circular piece where it enters. I could not move the rod , should I be able to ? Could my problem be a stuck wast gate ?
Thanks,
Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 7:00 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
Pat, the fact you can get to 3000rpm in neutral doesn’t tell us much. It is the load that is causing the problem. The engine is not generating enough energy to offset the applied load. Fuel is energy. This usually means fuel issues. The more load, the more fuel is needed to create the horsepower.
 
Where you able to get to 3000 rpm right before you changed the filters? Or, was this something you did to try to fix the issue?
 
Here are some additional thoughts on fuel:
 
Do you have a lift pump for fuel? (not sure on the Volvo and your Amel). If so check the diaphragm,
Air in fuel lines (connections loose). The engine will pull air rather than fuel if it can.
O-rings sitting correctly on fuel filter give a good seal?
If you changed the fuel filter is the new one sitting correctly and sealed?
 
A couple of other thoughts:
 
Check for blockage in exhaust hose (not enough air to burn fuel)
I know you said you cleaned the prop but is it possible something is caught in it (piece of rope or fishing line)
 
Let’s hope it is something this simple J
 
 
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
Mark, Thanks for getting back . I used the same and correct filters. I observed that the linkage moved forward well beyond the 2200 point , but no further increase in rpms. The engine seems to run smoothly , if it were an injector would you have a noticeable telltale ? Is the fact that in neutral It gets to 3000 rpm mean anything?
Thanks,
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 4:57 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
Pat,
 
Here is a great page to give you some additional thoughts: https://www.sbmar.com/articles/understanding-low-power-troubleshooting/
 
White smoke is usually a sign of not enough air intake or failing fuel injector(s). However, white smoke is usually pretty noticeable. You say “a little white smoke” so I would not think it is an indication.
 
Also, another common issue most people do not check is the throttle linkage. Can you get RPM if you go down to the engine an manually move the throttle?
 
Else, I would start with the fuel system and work from there.
 “replaced both fuel filters” did you replace them with the same type?
 
Tubo failure will usually pump out black smoke.
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Grenada
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs
 
 
I have not been able to get above 2200 rpms , normally I have always gotten to 3000 at full throttle on my Volvo TMD 22A . I just cleaned my fixed prop and replaced both fuel filters , still won't go beyond 2200 rpm. It will get above 3000 rpm in neutral and I notice a little white smoke. Any thoughts on what could cause the limited rpms in gear . I rebuilt the turbo 3 years ago. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I just read that the military has landed in the BVIs and St. Martin to restore order . That has to be a relief to those stuck there . Our thoughts and good wishes to everyone impacted by Irma.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Central America?

eric freedman
 

Hi,

I spent quite a bit of time in Colombia.

I also Had Kimberlite in Santa Marta for about 4 months last year.

 

You can contact me at kimberlite@....

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:03 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Central America?

 

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 4:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Central America?

 

 

I'd like to correspond with, or speak with, anyone who is cruising (or has recently cruised) their Amel in Columbia, Panama, Costa Rica, and up through Belize, etc. (on the Caribbean side) and is willing to share their experiences. We are currently in Curacao and thinking of continuing west this coming season.  You can reach me at rickgrimes1@....  THANKS! 

 

Rick Grimes

ASM2K (#404)

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Central America?

eric freedman
 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 4:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Central America?

 

 

I'd like to correspond with, or speak with, anyone who is cruising (or has recently cruised) their Amel in Columbia, Panama, Costa Rica, and up through Belize, etc. (on the Caribbean side) and is willing to share their experiences. We are currently in Curacao and thinking of continuing west this coming season.  You can reach me at rickgrimes1@....  THANKS! 

 

Rick Grimes

ASM2K (#404)

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Central America?

eric freedman
 

Hi Rick,

I spend quite a bit of time in Colombia .I also kept Kimberlite in Santa  Marta last year for about 4 months.

Please drop me a note if you wish.

Kimberlite

At optonline

Dot

Net

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 4:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Central America?

 

 

I'd like to correspond with, or speak with, anyone who is cruising (or has recently cruised) their Amel in Columbia, Panama, Costa Rica, and up through Belize, etc. (on the Caribbean side) and is willing to share their experiences. We are currently in Curacao and thinking of continuing west this coming season.  You can reach me at rickgrimes1@....  THANKS! 

 

Rick Grimes

ASM2K (#404)

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: motors for outhaul and furling

Bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

I can't find Mauds contact info....I've ordered before but it's been a while.  Can you send it to me.

Thanks in advance.

Bob
S/V Chara
1985 Maramu 173

On Sep 15, 2017, at 2:27 AM, 'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thank you to everyone for the good advice on dealing with my outhaul motor.  The brushes were hung up and both motors were full of carbon dust and partly shorted from it.   Maud is sending new brushes to me to replace the badly worn ones.  For the 10 years that I had this boat in the Mediterranean,  Amel took care of all these things and I became lazy.  Now, I am learning stuff I should have known. 

 

Regards,

Miles

Ladybug SM 216 in Newport, RI  preparing to sail to Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] genua traveller super maramu 1992

Mike Ondra
 

Peter,
It is not clear what model/hull # you are nor your location. I can say that we replaced our Antal jib cars last year. Their configuration is custom for Amel, but the US distributor for Antal knew exactly what car went with our Amel model. He brought our replacements in with his next delivery from Italy. My suggestion is to contact an Antal distributor near you.

Mike Ondra
Aletes SM #240
Rock Hall, MD

On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:14 AM, mausi@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Bill,

Iam currently not at the boat. Do you have the measurement of the track where the car is sitting on?
It looks like I have to get a new car due to the old plastic roller is no longer availlable.

Thank you,
Peter


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

Mark Erdos
 

Pat,

 

Forgot to say, yes you should be able to move it easily.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

 

Mark, The prop is clean , the linkage is ok , the fuel filters are new and I see no signs of leakage on any fuel line. I just took off the exhaust elbow and it was clean , even shiny  , except was a few small clumps of mush seemingly oil soaked , maybe a teaspoon total. I took off the turbo shield and the short rod that controls the waste gate is rusty as well as the circular piece where it enters. I could not move the rod , should I be able to ? Could my problem be a stuck wast gate ?

Thanks,

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 7:00 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

Pat, the fact you can get to 3000rpm in neutral doesn’t tell us much. It is the load that is causing the problem. The engine is not generating enough energy to offset the applied load. Fuel is energy. This usually means fuel issues. The more load, the more fuel is needed to create the horsepower.

 

Where you able to get to 3000 rpm right before you changed the filters? Or, was this something you did to try to fix the issue?

 

Here are some additional thoughts on fuel:

 

Do you have a lift pump for fuel? (not sure on the Volvo and your Amel). If so check the diaphragm,

Air in fuel lines (connections loose). The engine will pull air rather than fuel if it can.

O-rings sitting correctly on fuel filter give a good seal?

If you changed the fuel filter is the new one sitting correctly and sealed?

 

A couple of other thoughts:

 

Check for blockage in exhaust hose (not enough air to burn fuel)

I know you said you cleaned the prop but is it possible something is caught in it (piece of rope or fishing line)

 

Let’s hope it is something this simple J

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

 

Mark, Thanks for getting back . I used the same and correct filters. I observed that the linkage moved forward well beyond the 2200 point , but no further increase in rpms. The engine seems to run smoothly , if it were an injector would you have a noticeable telltale ? Is the fact that in neutral It gets to 3000 rpm mean anything?

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 4:57 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

Pat,

 

Here is a great page to give you some additional thoughts: https://www.sbmar.com/articles/understanding-low-power-troubleshooting/

 

White smoke is usually a sign of not enough air intake or failing fuel injector(s). However, white smoke is usually pretty noticeable. You say “a little white smoke” so I would not think it is an indication.

 

Also, another common issue most people do not check is the throttle linkage. Can you get RPM if you go down to the engine an manually move the throttle?

 

Else, I would start with the fuel system and work from there.

 “replaced both fuel filters” did you replace them with the same type?

 

Tubo failure will usually pump out black smoke.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

 

I have not been able to get above 2200 rpms , normally I have always gotten to 3000 at full throttle on my Volvo TMD 22A . I just cleaned my fixed prop and replaced both fuel filters , still won't go beyond 2200 rpm. It will get above 3000 rpm in neutral and I notice a little white smoke. Any thoughts on what could cause the limited rpms in gear . I rebuilt the turbo 3 years ago. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I just read that the military has landed in the BVIs and St. Martin to restore order . That has to be a relief to those stuck there . Our thoughts and good wishes to everyone impacted by Irma.

Thanks,

Pat

SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

Mark Erdos
 

Pat,

 

This is a good possibility. I think you have an “ah ha” moment here. The fact you hit 2000 rpm with no issue and have trouble going over this could mean lack of air being pumped back into the engine to burn more fuel. It is possible the turbo is turning too fast causing a bad fuel to air mix and backpressure in the engine. I would have expected to see some sort of smoke as you pushed the throttle up. I recall you saying a little smoke. This could be an indication that you are passing some fuel out through the exhaust and not burning it. I’m sorry I am not more familiar with the Volvo set up. But on the Yamaha, what you describe would make perfect sense for not getting full power.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

 

Mark, The prop is clean , the linkage is ok , the fuel filters are new and I see no signs of leakage on any fuel line. I just took off the exhaust elbow and it was clean , even shiny  , except was a few small clumps of mush seemingly oil soaked , maybe a teaspoon total. I took off the turbo shield and the short rod that controls the waste gate is rusty as well as the circular piece where it enters. I could not move the rod , should I be able to ? Could my problem be a stuck wast gate ?

Thanks,

Pat SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 7:00 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

Pat, the fact you can get to 3000rpm in neutral doesn’t tell us much. It is the load that is causing the problem. The engine is not generating enough energy to offset the applied load. Fuel is energy. This usually means fuel issues. The more load, the more fuel is needed to create the horsepower.

 

Where you able to get to 3000 rpm right before you changed the filters? Or, was this something you did to try to fix the issue?

 

Here are some additional thoughts on fuel:

 

Do you have a lift pump for fuel? (not sure on the Volvo and your Amel). If so check the diaphragm,

Air in fuel lines (connections loose). The engine will pull air rather than fuel if it can.

O-rings sitting correctly on fuel filter give a good seal?

If you changed the fuel filter is the new one sitting correctly and sealed?

 

A couple of other thoughts:

 

Check for blockage in exhaust hose (not enough air to burn fuel)

I know you said you cleaned the prop but is it possible something is caught in it (piece of rope or fishing line)

 

Let’s hope it is something this simple J

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

 

Mark, Thanks for getting back . I used the same and correct filters. I observed that the linkage moved forward well beyond the 2200 point , but no further increase in rpms. The engine seems to run smoothly , if it were an injector would you have a noticeable telltale ? Is the fact that in neutral It gets to 3000 rpm mean anything?

Thanks,

Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 4:57 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

Pat,

 

Here is a great page to give you some additional thoughts: https://www.sbmar.com/articles/understanding-low-power-troubleshooting/

 

White smoke is usually a sign of not enough air intake or failing fuel injector(s). However, white smoke is usually pretty noticeable. You say “a little white smoke” so I would not think it is an indication.

 

Also, another common issue most people do not check is the throttle linkage. Can you get RPM if you go down to the engine an manually move the throttle?

 

Else, I would start with the fuel system and work from there.

 “replaced both fuel filters” did you replace them with the same type?

 

Tubo failure will usually pump out black smoke.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs

 

 

I have not been able to get above 2200 rpms , normally I have always gotten to 3000 at full throttle on my Volvo TMD 22A . I just cleaned my fixed prop and replaced both fuel filters , still won't go beyond 2200 rpm. It will get above 3000 rpm in neutral and I notice a little white smoke. Any thoughts on what could cause the limited rpms in gear . I rebuilt the turbo 3 years ago. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I just read that the military has landed in the BVIs and St. Martin to restore order . That has to be a relief to those stuck there . Our thoughts and good wishes to everyone impacted by Irma.

Thanks,

Pat

SM Shenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Central America?

Jean-Pierre Germain <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Rick and Linda,

I arrived in Curaçao today. I've given your question much thought. I also have some books. 

Time for a beer???

Jean-Pierre


On 14 Sep 2017, at 17:12, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Rick,
I spent six months in Panama, mostly in San Blas, Portobelo, and Shelter Bay.  I didn't go to Columbia.  So far SB is my favorite venue after 30 years of cruising the Caribbean. That wasn't enough time for San Blas, and I didn't even get to Bocas Del Toros.  When I head S again, I'll do another Six months or more there and Belize to Costa Rica before transiting the Canal and heading for the S Pac.

Electronic and paper charts are equally poor in San Blas, travel only when the light is good and you can read the water (generally 10AM-2PM).

See earlier posts about checking into Panama, it sounds like you can again check in at Porvenir.

There is very little shopping in SB.  Stock up well b4 leaving Curacao. It's a daysail and $50 taxi ride to the closest big grocery, and an overnight sail and $50 taxi if you go to Shelter Bay (which is a very nice, safe, well-run marina across from Colon by the western end of the jetty.

Get a Digicel SIM card for your phone, it will work for voice and (slow) data if you are at the inner islands....poor/intermittent coverage in the outer islands.

Feel free to call me if you'd like to talk.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
karkauai at yahoo dot com
USA cell:+1 828-234-6819

On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:17 PM, rickgrimes1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I'd like to correspond with, or speak with, anyone who is cruising (or has recently cruised) their Amel in Columbia, Panama, Costa Rica, and up through Belize, etc. (on the Caribbean side) and is willing to share their experiences. We are currently in Curacao and thinking of continuing west this coming season.  You can reach me at rickgrimes1@....  THANKS! 


Rick Grimes
ASM2K (#404)



Re: Alternative for not working Sonic Speed sensors

Peter Jaeger
 

I also had to replace my sonic speed from B&G. Stéphane from Pochon recomended this:
To replace the Sonic speed system we install the Ultra Sonic sensor by NKE (in housing),since 2 years on each Amel 55 we used this sensor and it works very fine.
This sensor is quite expensive therefore I followed Bill's recomendation and installed the Tinley NMEA paddlewheel. I have now SOG from the GPS on my Hydra network. Quite easy to install.
Peter
Wilson / SM 003 / La Rochelle