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Re: Lofrans Tigres windlass turns itself on

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks Bill!

Duane
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres windlass turns itself on

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

You can open it...4 screws.

I attached a page from my book for Amel School. 

If you checked and eliminated switches, it is the control box.

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres windlass turns itself on

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

Would a sticking solenoid cause it to activate when nobody has used it recently?  The second time was in the middle of the night, so high cabin temperature would be unlikely.

Do you know if the box is sealed?  If I can open it up maybe it's repairable?

On the other hand, I probably should replace it from an abundance of caution.

Thanks,
Duane
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Salt water intrusion on forward head

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Director?


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Jul 5, 2017 01:02, "rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We cram one of those ubiquitous "t-shirt" shopping bags in there with our thumb--we keep a couple up there in the anchoring gear locker, you can jam it in very firmly and it does a great job, seals all around the chain.  A slightly larger than normal one works very well. 

Bob
Director, Amel International Institute of Low Technology
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres windlass turns itself on

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Solinoids inside the Lofranz control box are sticking. Replace the box.  


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Jul 5, 2017 07:53, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We had the windlass energized one day when we were doing some other maintenance, and the windlass turned itself on!  At that moment we were taking a break below deck so there is no way we inadvertently turned it on.  It came on in the "up-chain" mode.  We left it on and two days later it did it again in the middle of the night.


It seems the most reasonable explanation is the "Up" button.  The switch externally is not corroded, but the rubber cover is torn so it could have gotten moisture inside it to bridge the switch.  I checked it with a multi-meter and it has a very fluky read, sometimes 5kohms button off and 23kohms button on, and sometimes "0.L" in both positions.  That would make some sense if the button was internally corroded, but in neither case was there good continuity with the button off (it had to be in that position for the winch to come on...right?)


Internally all the windlass connections have grease on them (one assumes non-conductive) and appear in great condition (no corrosion).  The down button had been replaced by Steve Leeds in early 2015.


Is there anything else that I should be checking?


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Thanks for the plug, Porter.

Every Amel owner should do their very best to contain saltwater when opening anything with saltwater. A combination of towels and suction will keep your Amel engine room looking new. And, it is no more trouble to do things the BEST way. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Jul 5, 2017 09:35, "Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Mine is extremely rusty.  Purchased that way: likely prior mechanic did not use the Bill Rouse wet/dry vac/ surgical suction method for total NaCl containment.
Applied Corosion X, now unchanged and have a spare in the parts list.

Works fine however is a cosmetic issue at present.  




Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...







On Jul 5, 2017, at 10:12 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hello Thomas;

 

As stated by others, the fuel pump should look clean, painted finish. The salt water from the raw water impeller will drip/pour over the fuel pump if preventative steps are not taken. If you do not see an active leak or evidence thereof, this would most likely explain the issue. We had the same issue when we purchased ours due to previous “mechanic’s” work. I have carefully cleaned it as best as possible and applied corrosionX to try to control the rust. (A coat of rust preventer, primer and paint may not be a bad idea).

 

I have also purchased a spare fuel pump, just in case.

 

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

 

 

Hello,

 

We have noticed our ONAN generator fuel pump is looking quite rusty.

Is it meant to deteriorate this way over time?

if not, do you know what might be the cause?

 

Photos here.

 

Thanks for your advice,

 

Thomas & Soraya 
-- 

GARULFO

Amel 54 #122

Cap d'Agde, France

 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

FYI, I don't see the need for shear at this point in the design and suspect that was the reason given originally for the choice of rivets. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Jul 5, 2017 03:20, "Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Craig

I too note the points re sheer. However  as you note stainless screws are being used which obviously have high sheer strength. Monel rivets sheer strength is up there with stain less and have two great advantages. No corrosion as they are inert, and ease of use. That is no drilling and tapping of threads.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 05 July 2017 at 08:47 "sangaris@...[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


Hi Danny,
Then again, it may be that the Captain purposely used softer Aluminum rivets as a safety so they would sheer before anything else broke. Kind of like a sheer pin on an (older) outboard motor prop. Several o f us have posited that idea, although I don't think we've gotten a definitive reply from someone like Olivier Beaute. In any case, it seems a reasonable and conservative approach rather than harder stuff like monel and stainless steel Allen screws. (Yes, I did read the posts that Amel Matinique is using the ss Allen screws. Lots of ways to skin a cat, I guess.) 
Cheers,
Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris 

---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Hi.

If you use rivers monel are the best. Inert. That is no corrosion and very strong, Ali are  far too soft and sheer easily.

Regards

Danny

DM ,299

Ocean Pearl

On 03 July 2017 at 13:18 &#3 4;greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Mark,

Stainless screws are fine if you use something like Tefgel to isolate them.

Even if you do go with aluminum screws, use Tefgel. The difference in alloys is enough to cause trouble, and the Al screws are not strong enough to remove if there is even a trace of corrosion. Talk to anybody who head had to remove the Al screws Amel used to attach the boom tracks!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Boston, Mass


 

 


 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Mike Ondra
 

I have found that Plastilina Modeling Clay works great for sealing around the chain. Can be molded right into the hole and around the chain links. Seems to be completely waterproof and stays nicely in place for an indefinite period of time. Easy to remove and reuse for the next passage. And if forgotten about when lowering the anchor simply pulls out with the anchor chain.

 

Mike Ondra

ALETES  SM#240

Rock Hall, MD

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

 

 

When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?



Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay
Re: Lofrans Tigres windlass turns itself on

greatketch@...
 

This can be scary!  What might have happened if you were anchored and away from the boat when the windless "decided" to pull up the anchor?  I always depower the anchor windlass motor when sailing or while at anchor. NOT just the relay control circuit, but the actual motor power circuit.  I want no possibility of this kind of failure while I am underway or anchored. To do that on a SM requires some wiring rework: https://fetchinketch.net/boat-projects/windlass-wiring/

Duane,

If the rubber cover is torn on the windlass mounted switch it needs to be replaced, it is not optional. You're resistance reading indicate it is bad. No matter it it tests good or not, that is a failure you can not live with.  A drop of salt water in there will turn on your windlass.  That cover not only keeps water out of the switch, but the back of the switch is not sealed, so water can then get on the windlass motor itself. If you keep those rubber button switches, the covers need to be a routine maintenance item, they have a finite life time in the sun.

The only other simple failure I can think of would be the cockpit switch. Of course a possibility, but a remote one, is a wire connector has come adrift somewhere and created an intermittent short. There are other possibilities, but they get pretty unlikely. 

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass




---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote :

We had the windlass energized one day when we were doing some other maintenance, and the windlass turned itself on!  At that moment we were taking a break below deck so there is no way we inadvertently turned it on.  It came on in the "up-chain" mode.  We left it on and two days later it did it again in the middle of the night.


It seems the most reasonable explanation is the "Up" button.  The switch externally is not corroded, but the rubber cover is torn so it could have gotten moisture inside it to bridge the switch.  I checked it with a multi-meter and it has a very fluky read, sometimes 5kohms button off and 23kohms button on, and sometimes "0.L" in both positions.  That would make some sense if the button was internally corroded, but in neither case was there good continuity with the button off (it had to be in that position for the winch to come on...right?)


Internally all the windlass connections have grease on them (one assumes non-conductive) and appear in great condition (no corrosion).  The down button had been replaced by Steve Leeds in early 2015.


Is there anything else that I should be checking?


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

Porter McRoberts
 

Mine is extremely rusty.  Purchased that way: likely prior mechanic did not use the Bill Rouse wet/dry vac/ surgical suction method for total NaCl containment.
Applied Corosion X, now unchanged and have a spare in the parts list.

Works fine however is a cosmetic issue at present.  




Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...







On Jul 5, 2017, at 10:12 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello Thomas;

 

As stated by others, the fuel pump should look clean, painted finish. The salt water from the raw water impeller will drip/pour over the fuel pump if preventative steps are not taken. If you do not see an active leak or evidence thereof, this would most likely explain the issue. We had the same issue when we purchased ours due to previous “mechanic’s” work. I have carefully cleaned it as best as possible and applied corrosionX to try to control the rust. (A coat of rust preventer, primer and paint may not be a bad idea).

 

I have also purchased a spare fuel pump, just in case.

 

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

 

 

Hello,

 

We have noticed our ONAN generator fuel pump is looking quite rusty.

Is it meant to deteriorate this way over time?

if not, do you know what might be the cause?

 

Photos here.

 

Thanks for your advice,

 

Thomas & Soraya 
-- 

GARULFO

Amel 54 #122

Cap d'Agde, France

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

Peter Forbes
 

I have just purchased a spare fuel pump - thank you for the heads up.

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 5 Jul 2017, at 15:12, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello Thomas;

 

As stated by others, the fuel pump should look clean, painted finish. The salt water from the raw water impeller will drip/pour over the fuel pump if preventative steps are not taken. If you do not see an active leak or evidence thereof, this would most likely explain the issue. We had the same issue when we purchased ours due to previous “mechanic’s” work. I have carefully cleaned it as best as possible and applied corrosionX to try to control the rust. (A coat of rust preventer, primer and paint may not be a bad idea).

 

I have also purchased a spare fuel pump, just in case.

 

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

 

 

Hello,

 

We have noticed our ONAN generator fuel pump is looking quite rusty.

Is it meant to deteriorate this way over time?

if not, do you know what might be the cause?

 

Photos here.

 

Thanks for your advice,

 

Thomas & Soraya 
-- 

GARULFO

Amel 54 #122

Cap d'Agde, France

 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello Thomas;

 

As stated by others, the fuel pump should look clean, painted finish. The salt water from the raw water impeller will drip/pour over the fuel pump if preventative steps are not taken. If you do not see an active leak or evidence thereof, this would most likely explain the issue. We had the same issue when we purchased ours due to previous “mechanic’s” work. I have carefully cleaned it as best as possible and applied corrosionX to try to control the rust. (A coat of rust preventer, primer and paint may not be a bad idea).

 

I have also purchased a spare fuel pump, just in case.

 

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty

B&B Kokomo

Amel 54 #099

 

From: SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 4:22 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

 

 

Hello,

 

We have noticed our ONAN generator fuel pump is looking quite rusty.

Is it meant to deteriorate this way over time?

if not, do you know what might be the cause?

 

Photos here.

 

Thanks for your advice,

 

Thomas & Soraya 
--

GARULFO

Amel 54 #122

Cap d'Agde, France

 
Re: Onan Generator

Barry Connor
 

Hi Thomas,
Just back on our 54.
I think I have the larger generator but this is what it looks like after 1160 hrs.
Finished all checks and about to leave for Monistir.
Let me know if you need anything else to compare to.

Best Regards
Barry
LP2
AMEL 54
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

Mark Erdos
 

Thomas & Soraya 

 

The short answer is, no. It is not suppose to look like this.

 

I expect when the impeller was changed, saltwater leaked over the fuel pump from the raw water pump. Or, the raw water pump has a leak in the outer impeller seal or a hose clamp is not tight. It is important to control any saltwater when changing the impeller and wipe down surrounding areas afterward with a good solvent.

 

Try removing the entire pump when changing the impeller. The pump can then be placed over a bucket to drain the saltwater.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – Guadeloupe

 

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 9:19 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

 

 

Hello,

 

We have noticed our ONAN generator fuel pump is looking quite rusty.

Is it meant to deteriorate this way over time?

if not, do you know what might be the cause?

 

Photos here.

 

Thanks for your advice,

 

Thomas & Soraya 
--

GARULFO

Amel 54 #122

Cap d'Agde, France
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

Peter Forbes
 

My Onan Fuel pump looks much the same - maybe one should carry a spare?

Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 5 Jul 2017, at 14:18, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello,

We have noticed our ONAN generator fuel pump is looking quite rusty.
Is it meant to deteriorate this way over time?
if not, do you know what might be the cause?

Photos here.

Thanks for your advice,

Thomas & Soraya 
-- 
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France
[Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646

Sv Garulfo
 

Hello,

We have noticed our ONAN generator fuel pump is looking quite rusty.
Is it meant to deteriorate this way over time?
if not, do you know what might be the cause?

Photos here.

Thanks for your advice,

Thomas & Soraya 
--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France
Lofrans Tigres windlass turns itself on

Duane Siegfri
 

We had the windlass energized one day when we were doing some other maintenance, and the windlass turned itself on!  At that moment we were taking a break below deck so there is no way we inadvertently turned it on.  It came on in the "up-chain" mode.  We left it on and two days later it did it again in the middle of the night.


It seems the most reasonable explanation is the "Up" button.  The switch externally is not corroded, but the rubber cover is torn so it could have gotten moisture inside it to bridge the switch.  I checked it with a multi-meter and it has a very fluky read, sometimes 5kohms button off and 23kohms button on, and sometimes "0.L" in both positions.  That would make some sense if the button was internally corroded, but in neither case was there good continuity with the button off (it had to be in that position for the winch to come on...right?)


Internally all the windlass connections have grease on them (one assumes non-conductive) and appear in great condition (no corrosion).  The down button had been replaced by Steve Leeds in early 2015.


Is there anything else that I should be checking?


Duane

Wanderer, SM#477
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Salt water intrusion on forward head

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Bob, I love your title.

Regards

Danny

On 05 July 2017 at 18:02 "rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

We cram one of those ubiquitous "t-shirt" shopping bags in there with our thumb--we keep a couple up there in the anchoring gear locker, you can jam it in very firmly and it does a great job, seals all around the chain.  A slightly larger than normal one works very well. 

Bob
Director, Amel International Institute of Low Technology

 


 
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Craig

I too note the points re sheer. However  as you note stainless screws are being used which obviously have high sheer strength. Monel rivets sheer strength is up there with stain less and have two great advantages. No corrosion as they are inert, and ease of use. That is no drilling and tapping of threads.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 05 July 2017 at 08:47 "sangaris@...[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Hi Danny,
Then again, it may be that the Captain purposely used softer Aluminum rivets as a safety so they would sheer before anything else broke. Kind of like a sheer pin on an (older) outboard motor prop. Several of us have posited that idea, although I don't think we've gotten a definitive reply from someone like Olivier Beaute. In any case, it seems a reasonable and conservative approach rather than harder stuff like monel and stainless steel Allen screws. (Yes, I did read the posts that Amel Matinique is using the ss Allen screws. Lots of ways to skin a cat, I guess.) 
Cheers,
Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris 

---In amelyachtowners@..., <simms@...> wrote :

Hi.

If you use rivers monel are the best. Inert. That is no corrosion and very strong, Ali are  far too soft and sheer easily.

Regards

Danny

DM ,299

Ocean Pearl

On 03 July 2017 at 13:18 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark,

Stainless screws are fine if you use something like Tefgel to isolate them.

Even if you do go with aluminum screws, use Tefgel. The difference in alloys is enough to cause trouble, and the Al screws are not strong enough to remove if there is even a trace of corrosion. Talk to anybody who head had to remove the Al screws Amel used to attach the boom tracks!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Boston, Mass


 

 


 
Re: Salt water intrusion on forward head

rossirossix4
 

We cram one of those ubiquitous "t-shirt" shopping bags in there with our thumb--we keep a couple up there in the anchoring gear locker, you can jam it in very firmly and it does a great job, seals all around the chain.  A slightly larger than normal one works very well. 

Bob
Director, Amel International Institute of Low Technology
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