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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Alan Leslie
 

We solved this problem by putting in a plumbing valve in the drain from the shower, moving the copper T connector further aft and rerouting the anchor drain to there.
The picture is better than my description...
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Paul Osterberg
 

Stephen I agree we have several times had conditions when water slushing around in the forward head. I think the idea with the spraycan sounds good. Asume it,s just normal PU Foam on spray can, have to be carefull when applying as it is very sticky. But of course the anchor and chain will rip it lose from the pipe. Last time we just squeezed in a pice of foam in the shower drain, also an easy and quick solution. My wife was air born for a while in the forward head when beating up from Cape Hatteras to Cape Henry in a god blow with current with us when she squeezed in a pice with foam in the shower drain.
Pail on SY Kerpa SM #259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

greatketch@...
 

And another cat skinning technique I used on my old boat, but haven't done on Harmonie--yet!

https://fetchinketch.net/2015/10/29/fixing-the-hole-in-the-boat/

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Boston, Mass


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

Mark Erdos
 

 

Thank you to all who chimed in on this. I managed to repair the furling today (between rain showers) and used aluminum rivets. This is all I have aboard. I have a tap and die set but not 8 no suitable screws. The repair should be sufficient to get us the next couple of hundred miles to Grenada. I plan to have CARAIBE MARINE do a service the unit when we get to Martinique.

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 4:47 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

James Alton
 

Craig,

   Certainly structurally speaking monel and stainless are good choices for this application.  With Monel being a lot higher on the galvanic scale than aluminum,  I was wondering if anyone that has used the monel rivets had any corrosion issues?   I will be working on my furler soon to change the rigging so need to make a decision on the fasteners to install.  Currently I have what appear to be the original aluminum rivets and they still seem to be sound.  (my boat so far has the original rigging)   I certainly like the idea of a removable fastener to make access easier and have had good luck with the Tef-gel with stainless and aluminum.  It would be great to hear from someone like Oliver on whether the aluminum rivets act as a weak link in the connection between the furler and the extrusion to prevent damage to the system.   If this is the case, then I would go back with the aluminum rivets and accept the complication of drilling the next time.

Best,
James
Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Jul 4, 2017, at 5:47 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Danny,
Then again, it may be that the Captain purposely used softer Aluminum rivets as a safety so they would sheer before anything else broke. Kind of like a sheer pin on an (older) outboard motor prop. Several of us have posited that idea, although I don't think we've gotten a definitive reply from someone like Olivier Beaute. In any case, it seems a reasonable and conservative approach rather than harder stuff like monel and stainless steel Allen screws. (Yes, I did read the posts that Amel Matinique is using the ss Allen screws. Lots of ways to skin a cat, I guess.) 
Cheers,
Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris 

---In amelyachtowners@...,

Hi.

If you use rivers monel are the best. Inert. That is no corrosion and v ery strong, Ali are  far too soft and sheer easily.

Regards

Danny

DM ,299

Ocean Pearl

On 03 July 2017 at 13:18 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark,

Stainless screws are fine if you use something like Tefgel to isolate them. 

Even if you do go with aluminum screws, use Tefgel. The difference in alloys is enough to cause trouble, and the Al screws are not strong enough to remove if there is even a trace of corrosion. Talk to anybody who head had to remove the Al screws Amel used to attach the boom tracks!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie 
Boston, Mass


 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

karkauai
 

I use a small nerf ball that I stuff around the chain in the hawsepipe.  It stops all but a little water from getting in.  Get a few extras as they deteriorate in the sun after a year or so.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM 243

On Jul 4, 2017, at 1:04 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yep, this can happen if you have a lot of water on deck. The SM 53 came from Amel with a  rubber flapper assembly that would line up with the chain and keep a good percentage of the water from coming into the chain locker. Many have perished and are gone. I like to use GREAT STUFF that one can get from any big box home improvement store in the USA. Do a web search. For our friends further afield, it is an expanding foam in an aerosol can that is used to fill cracks and voids in home construction and repair projects that has different names in foreign markets.. Spray the foam liberally around the anchor chain hawse hole. Let it dry and it stops 99% of the water from coming in. Just using the anchor/moving the chain causes it to crumble into dust and disperse which could aggravate some more eco minded folks.

 

One way valves are sometimes problematic and more so when hair and soap scum can be expected.

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

 

 

When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?



Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

Craig Briggs
 


Hi Danny,
Then again, it may be that the Captain purposely used softer Aluminum rivets as a safety so they would sheer before anything else broke. Kind of like a sheer pin on an (older) outboard motor prop. Several of us have posited that idea, although I don't think we've gotten a definitive reply from someone like Olivier Beaute. In any case, it seems a reasonable and conservative approach rather than harder stuff like monel and stainless steel Allen screws. (Yes, I did read the posts that Amel Matinique is using the ss Allen screws. Lots of ways to skin a cat, I guess.) 
Cheers,
Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris 

---In amelyachtowners@..., <simms@...> wrote :

Hi.

If you use rivers monel are the best. Inert. That is no corrosion and very strong, Ali are  far too soft and sheer easily.

Regards

Danny

DM ,299

Ocean Pearl

On 03 July 2017 at 13:18 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark,

Stainless screws are fine if you use something like Tefgel to isolate them.

Even if you do go with aluminum screws, use Tefgel. The difference in alloys is enough to cause trouble, and the Al screws are not strong enough to remove if there is even a trace of corrosion. Talk to anybody who head had to remove the Al screws Amel used to attach the boom tracks!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Boston, Mass


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Thomas Peacock
 

Sorry, I did not sign my comments. Aletes is still with me (and my co-owenr, Mike). And yes, our bow thruster seals are pretty leaky in heavy seas. 

Tom Peacock
Aletes, SM #240
Rock Hall, MD


On Jul 4, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


The chain locker, air conditioning condensate, and the head sink and shower all join to the one hose that has the shut off valve at the saloon side of the water tight bulkhead. If you have water coming in the anchor hawse, it can detour into the shower sump on a starboard tack. 
If you have water from a bow thruster leak migrating to the area under the freezer against the saloon forward bulkhead, you have some serious problems
Didn't you sell you boat?

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Thomas Peacock peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Joel,


I hesitate to even write this, since your knowledge of Amels dwarfs mine.

That said,I always thought that the chain locker drained via the white hose all the way to the bilge. I guess I’m wrong (not the first time)?

We too get a lot of water in the bilge by the forward head, but I always though it was from our bow thruster seals. By the way, if you have a lot of water in that bilge, it can also slosh over into the area below the closet, as well as forward under the optional freezer. Be sure to clean these out to prevent smells.


On Jul 4, 2017, at 1:04 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yep, this can happen if you have a lot of water on deck. The SM 53 came from Amel with a  rubber flapper assembly that would line up with the chain and keep a good percentage of the water from coming into the chain locker. Many have perished and are gone. I like to use GREAT STUFF that one can get from any big box home improvement store in the USA. Do a web search. For our friends further afield, it is an expanding foam in an aerosol can that is used to fill cracks and voids in home construction and repair projects that has different names in foreign markets.. Spray the foam liberally around the anchor chain hawse hole. Let it dry and it stops 99% of the water from coming in. Just using the anchor/moving the chain causes it to crumble into dust and disperse which could aggravate some more eco minded folks.
 
One way valves are sometimes problematic and more so when hair and soap scum can be expected.
 
Have fun with your Amel, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY 
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head
 
  
When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?


Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Craig Briggs
 

In the "more than one way to skin a cat" department, we cut off a 2-3" piece of a Swimming Noodle, slit it down the side so it goes around the chain and stuff it into the hawse hole. The pink noodles work best :-)  

Btw, on the Santorins the chain locker drains directly into the shower sump. Great design as it lets you know when your chain locker is getting too dirty and it's time to send your grandson down with a hose and brush.

Cheers,
Craig & Katherine, SN#68 Sangaris, Abacos


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Stephen Davis
 

It may not be a real big deal, but in very rough conditions with tons of green water over the deck, we have overflowed the shower pan. It sounds like the check valve would not be a good solution, but I like Joel's spray in foam idea. 

Steve
Aloha SM 72
Aruba

On Jul 4, 2017, at 14:19, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The chain locker, air conditioning condensate, and the head sink and shower all join to the one hose that has the shut off valve at the saloon side of the water tight bulkhead. If you have water coming in the anchor hawse, it can detour into the shower sump on a starboard tack. 
If you have water from a bow thruster leak migrating to the area under the freezer against the saloon forward bulkhead, you have some serious problems
Didn't you sell you boat?

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Thomas Peacock peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Joel,


I hesitate to even write this, since your knowledge of Amels dwarfs mine.

That said,I always thought that the chain locker drained via the white hose all the way to the bilge. I guess I’m wrong (not the first time)?

We too get a lot of water in the bilge by the forward head, but I always though it was from our bow thruster seals. By the way, if you have a lot of water in that bilge, it can also slosh over into the area below the closet, as well as forward under the optional freezer. Be sure to clean these out to prevent smells.


On Jul 4, 2017, at 1:04 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yep, this can happen if you have a lot of water on deck. The SM 53 came from Amel with a  rubber flapper assembly that would line up with the chain and keep a good percentage of the water from coming into the chain locker. Many have perished and are gone. I like to use GREAT STUFF that one can get from any big box home improvement store in the USA. Do a web search. For our friends further afield, it is an expanding foam in an aerosol can that is used to fill cracks and voids in home construction and repair projects that has different names in foreign markets.. Spray the foam liberally around the anchor chain hawse hole. Let it dry and it stops 99% of the water from coming in. Just using the anchor/moving the chain causes it to crumble into dust and disperse which could aggravate some more eco minded folks.
 
One way valves are sometimes problematic and more so when hair and soap scum can be expected.
 
Have fun with your Amel, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head
 
 
When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?


Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi.

If you use rivers monel are the best. Inert. That is no corrosion and very strong, Ali are  far too soft and sheer easily.

Regards

Danny

DM ,299

Ocean Pearl

On 03 July 2017 at 13:18 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mark,

Stainless screws are fine if you use something like Tefgel to isolate them.

Even if you do go with aluminum screws, use Tefgel. The difference in alloys is enough to cause trouble, and the Al screws are not strong enough to remove if there is even a trace of corrosion. Talk to anybody who head had to remove the Al screws Amel used to attach the boom tracks!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Boston, Mass


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

amelforme
 

The chain locker, air conditioning condensate, and the head sink and shower all join to the one hose that has the shut off valve at the saloon side of the water tight bulkhead. If you have water coming in the anchor hawse, it can detour into the shower sump on a starboard tack. 
If you have water from a bow thruster leak migrating to the area under the freezer against the saloon forward bulkhead, you have some serious problems
Didn't you sell you boat?

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Jul 4, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Thomas Peacock peacock8491@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Joel,


I hesitate to even write this, since your knowledge of Amels dwarfs mine.

That said,I always thought that the chain locker drained via the white hose all the way to the bilge. I guess I’m wrong (not the first time)?

We too get a lot of water in the bilge by the forward head, but I always though it was from our bow thruster seals. By the way, if you have a lot of water in that bilge, it can also slosh over into the area below the closet, as well as forward under the optional freezer. Be sure to clean these out to prevent smells.


On Jul 4, 2017, at 1:04 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yep, this can happen if you have a lot of water on deck. The SM 53 came from Amel with a  rubber flapper assembly that would line up with the chain and keep a good percentage of the water from coming into the chain locker. Many have perished and are gone. I like to use GREAT STUFF that one can get from any big box home improvement store in the USA. Do a web search. For our friends further afield, it is an expanding foam in an aerosol can that is used to fill cracks and voids in home construction and repair projects that has different names in foreign markets.. Spray the foam liberally around the anchor chain hawse hole. Let it dry and it stops 99% of the water from coming in. Just using the anchor/moving the chain causes it to crumble into dust and disperse which could aggravate some more eco minded folks.
 
One way valves are sometimes problematic and more so when hair and soap scum can be expected.
 
Have fun with your Amel, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head
 
 
When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?


Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Thomas Peacock
 

Hi Joel,

I hesitate to even write this, since your knowledge of Amels dwarfs mine.

That said,I always thought that the chain locker drained via the white hose all the way to the bilge. I guess I’m wrong (not the first time)?

We too get a lot of water in the bilge by the forward head, but I always though it was from our bow thruster seals. By the way, if you have a lot of water in that bilge, it can also slosh over into the area below the closet, as well as forward under the optional freezer. Be sure to clean these out to prevent smells.


On Jul 4, 2017, at 1:04 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Yep, this can happen if you have a lot of water on deck. The SM 53 came from Amel with a  rubber flapper assembly that would line up with the chain and keep a good percentage of the water from coming into the chain locker. Many have perished and are gone. I like to use GREAT STUFF that one can get from any big box home improvement store in the USA. Do a web search. For our friends further afield, it is an expanding foam in an aerosol can that is used to fill cracks and voids in home construction and repair projects that has different names in foreign markets.. Spray the foam liberally around the anchor chain hawse hole. Let it dry and it stops 99% of the water from coming in. Just using the anchor/moving the chain causes it to crumble into dust and disperse which could aggravate some more eco minded folks.
 
One way valves are sometimes problematic and more so when hair and soap scum can be expected.
 
Have fun with your Amel, Joel
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head
 
 
When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?


Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

greatketch@...
 

I really doubt you will find a check valve that will allow the shower dump to drain by gravity and yet prevent water from backing up.

Yes, water gets into the shower sump. Happens to us under the conditions described. So what? It's not ever going to overflow the shower pan into the cabin. If you are heeled over so far that the water is up out of the sump and around the toilet maybe it is time to reef?

Many boats have shower sumps that ALWAYS have residual water in them.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass


Re: Salt water intrusion on forward head

Paul Osterberg
 

Elja
No problem with the bow thruster, we have put a pare of dipers there to absorb any moister and they are bone dry
Paul SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Mark Erdos
 

We have a piece of foam we use to plug the chain hawse hole. We just sort of stuff it in. I tend to forget about it when anchoring again and we find it later somewhere on the deck. It is not pretty but it works. I like Joel’s idea of Great Stuff. We have some aboard and will give it a try.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alexandre AC problem-- old post did not go through

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Dan,

 

There has been some talk of AC capacitors on this forum that control the fan speed. It may be that you have a bad high speed fan capacitor. Fairly easy to check and cheap to replace.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 1:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alexandre AC problem-- old post did not go through

 

 

Hi all,  catching up on recent posts.  I did not see if there was resolution to this one.

 

Our rear AC unit had also started to trip the breaker.  Some times it was on the 220v breaker, it also tripped on the dock at least once.  The timing of the fault did not coincide with the compressor start delay.

 

What we did find is that it only tripped when the fan speed is on "High".  It does not trip on "Low" or medium.  We finished the season using a lower speed setting for the fan and I put it on the list for more troubleshooting when I return in the fall.  

 

But would be curious to kniw what the resolution is for this issue. 

 

Thanks and regards, Dan Carlson 

 

 

Eric,

 

I too had the timer set to zero by a Climma tech, and I too had the same breaker open.

 

I set it to 20 seconds. I assume that Alex could either have the timer set to zero, or possibly that timer is not working and is staying closed.

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse

Admiral, Texas Navy

Commander Emeritus

Amel School www.amelschool.com

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:35 AM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 



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Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Bill,

I had the same problem. The countdown timer in my aft cabin was set to 0 second.

The compressor was shorted and I had to have it changed.

Both the boats main breaker and dockside breaker tripped at the same time.

Fair winds,

Eric

sm 376
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Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:00 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com"

> Alex,
>
> I think I understand that as soon as you turn on the A/C, the
> main 30amp
> Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trips (on the side of the
> 220V breaker
> panel). Your shore power also has a GFI breaker.
>
> If this is true, that particular symptom probably has nothing to
> do with
> the the compressor, or any part on the Climma Compact 9 unit for
> the aft
> cabin.
>
> *Here is why:*
>
> - When you turn ON any of your AC units, the only powered
> device inside
> the Compact 9 is the countdown timer. It will be the only
> thing powered
> until the countdown expires which is probably 10-20 seconds.
> - When you turn ON any of your AC units the pump relay box
> and the pump
> should be immediately powered.
>
> *Therefore:*
> If the 30 amp Ground Fault Breaker trips during the timer
> countdown, your
> symptom is most likely caused by a ground fault, and the most
> likely place
> for a ground fault is at the Calpeda BCM20E pump, or less likely
> the pump
> relay box.
>
> *This is what I would investigate:*
>
> 1. Is the mechanical seal leaking and running inside the
> motor? (most
> likely)
> 2. Is the capacitor good? If you don't know replace it.
> 3. Did the pump motor get wet?
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Best,
>
> CW Bill Rouse
> Admiral, Texas Navy
> Commander Emeritus
> Amel School www.amelschool.com
> 720 Winnie St
> Galveston Island, TX 77550
> +1(832) 380-4970
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar
> uster@... [amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Good morning John, Mark, Eric and Francisco and thank you for your
> > replies,
> >
> > Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead compressor…
> >
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to “discharge them”
> prior to
> > testing?
> >
> > Eric, I did not really understand the: “if the AC switch is
> off at the
> > thermostat does it still trip the breaker?”
> >
> > Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
> >
> > ------------------------------ --------------
> > On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <
> > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220
> > Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alexandre.
> > if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still
> > trip the breaker?
> > The breaker on the AC panel side is a quick blow
> > circuit breaker, If there is a short it will
> > trip before the diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> > thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
> > Check the continuity of the compressor to ground. If
> > there is a short to ground the compressor is dead.
> > Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> > sm 376
> >
> > ----- Original
> > Message -----
> > From: "Alexandre
> > Uster von
> > Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
> >
> > > Good afternoon,
> > >
> > > Today, I hear the
> > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one
> > > behind the panel).
> > > I
> > found out the fuse of the marina also trip.
> > >
> > > After running tests,
> > the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > (which I have been using non stop for 9
> > days).
> > >
> > > Running
> > the salon does not trip anything.
> > >
> > > What could be the cause?
> > > How to diagnostic and solve the issue?
> > >
> > > Did I use too much
> > the air conditioning?
> > > How come the
> > Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> > > How come I trip the marina fuse?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > Alexandre
> > > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> > > Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy,
> > FWI
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alexandre AC problem-- old post did not go through

Dan Carlson
 

Hi all,  catching up on recent posts.  I did not see if there was resolution to this one.

Our rear AC unit had also started to trip the breaker.  Some times it was on the 220v breaker, it also tripped on the dock at least once.  The timing of the fault did not coincide with the compressor start delay.

What we did find is that it only tripped when the fan speed is on "High".  It does not trip on "Low" or medium.  We finished the season using a lower speed setting for the fan and I put it on the list for more troubleshooting when I return in the fall.  

But would be curious to kniw what the resolution is for this issue. 

Thanks and regards, Dan Carlson 
Sm#387, sv BeBe 



On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:57 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Eric,

I too had the timer set to zero by a Climma tech, and I too had the same breaker open.

I set it to 20 seconds. I assume that Alex could either have the timer set to zero, or possibly that timer is not working and is staying closed.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550





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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:15:24 GMT
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
Bill,
I had the same problem. The countdown timer in my aft cabin was set to 0 second.
The compressor was shorted and I had to have it changed.
Both the boats main breaker and dockside breaker tripped at the same time.
Fair winds,
Eric
sm 376
----- Original Message -----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [ amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:00 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com"

> Alex,
>
> I think I understand that as soon as you turn on the A/C, the
> main 30amp
> Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trips (on the side of the
> 220V breaker
> panel). Your shore power also has a GFI breaker.
>
> If this is true, that particular symptom probably has nothing to
> do with
> the the compressor, or any part on the Climma Compact 9 unit for
> the aft
> cabin.
>
> *Here is why:*
>
> - When you turn ON any of your AC units, the only powered
> device inside
> the Compact 9 is the countdown timer. It will be the only
> thing powered
> until the countdown expires which is probably 10-20 seconds.
> - When you turn ON any of your AC units the pump relay box
> and the pump
> should be immediately powered.
>
> *Therefore:*
> If the 30 amp Ground Fault Breaker trips during the timer
> countdown, your
> symptom is most likely caused by a ground fault, and the most
> likely place
> for a ground fault is at the Calpeda BCM20E pump, or less likely
> the pump
> relay box.
>
> *This is what I would investigate:*
>
> 1. Is the mechanical seal leaking and running inside the
> motor? (most
> likely)
> 2. Is the capacitor good? If you don't know replace it.
> 3. Did the pump motor get wet?
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Best,
>
> CW Bill Rouse
> Admiral, Texas Navy
> Commander Emeritus
> Amel School www.amelschool.com
> 720 Winnie St
> Galveston Island, TX 77550
> +1(832) 380-4970
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar
> uster@... [amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Good morning John, Mark, Eric and Francisco and thank you for your
> > replies,
> >
> > Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead compressor…
> >
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to “discharge them”
> prior to
> > testing?
> >
> > Eric, I did not really understand the: “if the AC switch is
> off at the
> > thermostat does it still trip the breaker?”
> >
> > Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
> >
> > ------------------------------ --------------
> > On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <
> > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220
> > Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alexandre.
> > if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still
> > trip the breaker?
> > The breaker on the AC panel side is a quick blow
> > circuit breaker, If there is a short it will
> > trip before the diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> > thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
> > Check the continuity of the compressor to ground. If
> > there is a short to ground the compressor is dead.
> > Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> > sm 376
> >
> > ----- Original
> > Message -----
> > From: "Alexandre
> > Uster von
> > Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
> >
> > > Good afternoon,
> > >
> > > Today, I hear the
> > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one
> > > behind the panel).
> > > I
> > found out the fuse of the marina also trip.
> > >
> > > After running tests,
> > the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > (which I have been using non stop for 9
> > days).
> > >
> > > Running
> > the salon does not trip anything.
> > >
> > > What could be the cause?
> > > How to diagnostic and solve the issue?
> > >
> > > Did I use too much
> > the air conditioning?
> > > How come the
> > Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> > > How come I trip the marina fuse?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > Alexandre
> > > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> > > Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy,
> > FWI
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Paul,

You are not the only one, and you have diagnosed it correctly. We have started closing the chain locker valve if we are sailing hard on a starboard tack, but intend to install a one way valve soon. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Aruba

On Jul 4, 2017, at 11:13, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?


Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

amelforme
 

Yep, this can happen if you have a lot of water on deck. The SM 53 came from Amel with a  rubber flapper assembly that would line up with the chain and keep a good percentage of the water from coming into the chain locker. Many have perished and are gone. I like to use GREAT STUFF that one can get from any big box home improvement store in the USA. Do a web search. For our friends further afield, it is an expanding foam in an aerosol can that is used to fill cracks and voids in home construction and repair projects that has different names in foreign markets.. Spray the foam liberally around the anchor chain hawse hole. Let it dry and it stops 99% of the water from coming in. Just using the anchor/moving the chain causes it to crumble into dust and disperse which could aggravate some more eco minded folks.

 

One way valves are sometimes problematic and more so when hair and soap scum can be expected.

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

 

 

When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?



Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay