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Re: Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower

Arno Luijten
 

Hi Jeroen,

Access to the area under the shower requires extreme agility. You can also remove the airconditioner to get slightly better access. The floorboard just in front of the housing of the A/C gives you limited access but you will need to execute a Lambada dance for it. You said it’s fresh water, my guess is the condensation drain for the A/C is playing havoc. You can remove the wooden cover of the A/C pretty easy, 4 screws. If your shower is leaking the smell will tell you ...
This is also the place where salt water will go if your rudder gland is leaking.

Regards,
Arno Luijten,
SV Luna,
A54-121


lowering mainsail

william reynolds
 

I've looked at all the old topics concerning dropping the furling mainsail and found a lot of  'what was Amel thinking'? on the length of the main halyard.  I've sailed many, many boats in my life but have never seen a furling main that could not be lowered with the installed halyard. One of the times you would w ant to lower it would be because of a mainsail failure/jam and it's probably going to be in adverse conditions. Trying to find a line, bend it on and then attempt to lower the main these   conditions  is not a safe prudent solution. Why did they do this? What was the reasoning and rational? Any reasonable answers?
Bill Reynolds - CloudStreet 


Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54

Mark Erdos
 
Edited

It is a shame you have altered the integrity of your vessel by holing the bulkheads. A better approach would have been to install water alarms in the compartments. These are available for about US$12.00

Glentronics, Inc. BWD-HWA 00895001498 Basement Watchdog High Water Alarm, Pack of 1, Multi

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeroen jeltes
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:47 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] no bilgepump in saloon Am54

 

Ref Fidelis Am54 bno.118 .

i am surprised there is no safety bilgepump for the saloon , forward- and aft section .  only one bilge pump to drain the grey waterhole in the engineroom.

We already experienced a small accident wilst filling the freshwater tank ; the tank overflow comes from the dipstick hole wich results in  200L+ water in your bilgelockers ! 

Now i have installed an emergency 24V pump with 3m hose in the bilgelocker underneath the stairs.


comments welcome.
Jeroen  Jeltes.

 


Re: Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower

Mark Erdos
 

I don’t think you will find the leak to be at the hose connections for the shower drain. It is more likely the shower pan is leaking the edges. Look closely at the area where the pan joins the bulkheads.

 

Also on the SM53 the aft AC unit can overflow into the area under the shower if the condensation drain for the unit becomes clogged. (not sure of the 54 and the placement of the aft AC unit if this can occur).

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jeroen jeltes
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:35 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower

 

ref Amel 54 bno 118 Fidelis,  now in quarantine in Aruba,  so plenty of time to do jobs.

We have noticed for some time there is water, fresh water, collecting underneath the aft shower cabin.
I want to check the hose connections and hoseclips of the shower drain, yet how do i get there ?? 
i cannot find an inspection hatch .


Re: Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Jeroen,

 

How can you tell there is (fresh) water underneath the Master shower?

 

Best Regards Teun

SV AMELIT  A54  #128

 

On the hard in COOMERA (near BRISBANE) QLD AUSTRALIA

May 23, 2020 14:09:30

 

USA cell: +1 832 477 8842

AUSTRALIA cell: +61 5951 8909

 

You can follow AMELIT via this link: https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/AMELIT

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeroen jeltes via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 13:35
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower

 

ref Amel 54 bno 118 Fidelis,  now in quarantine in Aruba,  so plenty of time to do jobs.

We have noticed for some time there is water, fresh water, collecting underneath the aft shower cabin.
I want to check the hose connections and hoseclips of the shower drain, yet how do i get there ?? 
i cannot find an inspection hatch .


Re: Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower

ngtnewington Newington
 

The whole point of water tight bulkheads is to prevent water from flowing between the compartments.. 

Nick

Amelia AML 54-019 KIlada Gr

On 23 May 2020, at 21:34, Jeroen jeltes <j.jeltes@...> wrote:

ref Amel 54 bno 118 Fidelis,  now in quarantine in Aruba,  so plenty of time to do jobs.

We have noticed for some time there is water, fresh water, collecting underneath the aft shower cabin.
I want to check the hose connections and hoseclips of the shower drain, yet how do i get there ?? 
i cannot find an inspection hatch .



Re: no bilgepump in saloon Am54

 

Jeroen,

Respectfully, you do not understand the basics of Amel watertight bulkheads. The next time that you are in port or at anchor near another Amel, introduce yourself to the owner and ask him to explain this to you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Sat, May 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Jeroen jeltes <j.jeltes@...> wrote:

Ref Fidelis Am54 bno.118 .

i am surprised there is no safety bilgepump for the saloon , forward- and aft section .  only one bilge pump to drain the grey waterhole in the engineroom.

We already experienced a small accident wilst filling the freshwater tank ; the tank overflow comes from the dipstick hole wich results in  200L+ water in your bilgelockers ! 

Now i have installed an emergency 24V pump with 3m hose in the bilgelocker underneath the stairs.


comments welcome.
Jeroen  Jeltes.


no bilgepump in saloon Am54

Jeroen jeltes
 

Ref Fidelis Am54 bno.118 .

i am surprised there is no safety bilgepump for the saloon , forward- and aft section .  only one bilge pump to drain the grey waterhole in the engineroom.

We already experienced a small accident wilst filling the freshwater tank ; the tank overflow comes from the dipstick hole wich results in  200L+ water in your bilgelockers ! 

Now i have installed an emergency 24V pump with 3m hose in the bilgelocker underneath the stairs.


comments welcome.
Jeroen  Jeltes.


Am54 water in bilge floor below aft shower

Jeroen jeltes
 

ref Amel 54 bno 118 Fidelis,  now in quarantine in Aruba,  so plenty of time to do jobs.

We have noticed for some time there is water, fresh water, collecting underneath the aft shower cabin.
I want to check the hose connections and hoseclips of the shower drain, yet how do i get there ?? 
i cannot find an inspection hatch .


Re: Insurance

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Well said Pat.

Danny

On 24 May 2020 at 01:33 "Patrick McAneny via groups.io" <sailw32@...> wrote:

Mark,
 I emailed Kent yesterday, that I was going to stop responding to posts on this subject ,as I don't want to take the time or clog up this site. But the 2% proposed deposit into a reserve fund ,was a one time deposit, which upon leaving the group, you would receive a 50% refund,provided you had not made any claims during your membership. With the group protecting you from a total loss ,perhaps an owner may chose to continue full coverage , but could insure his boat at a much lower fixed value ,which should result in a much lower annual premium. If you parked $4000. in the reserve fund  and it lowered your premium by a significant amount ,it could be a good return on your deposit . 
However ,I agree and related this to Kent ,its like herding cats ,  I have read comments that were based on false assumptions or the misinterpretations of what was originally proposed and I felt compelled correct them,can't keep doing it. For this to work ,it would need to be lead by someone well organized, it would have to be kept simple and limited in scope. I have said that ,it may be a case of a good idea whose time is yet to arrive. If underwriters continue to leave the market ,and coverage continues to shrink and continue to get more expensive ,its time may arrive . 
But I don't think it is now, I did not make the original post on this subject , but I have proposed some plans for it, and believe it has merit,  if an Amel Risk co-op ever evolves , count me in. But for now ,I will now respond to further discussions on this site , as often a subject goes on and on , clogging the site without end. 
Stay Safe,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance

Not wanting to poop on this idea, I am in favor or the concept, but the proposed numbers just do not seem to work.
 
If I am to contribute 2% of the insured value of my boat, this amount is greater than what I am currently paying for my current company provided insurance (with minimal deductable and liability included).
 
Just my 2¢ but to think 200 owners would agree to this is IMO a bit of a pipe dream. Getting 10 people to agree on anything is difficult let alone 200.
 
Also, the idea of an assessment is frightening to me. Being at the mercy of others concerning my out of pocket expenses is very unappealing.
 
Perhaps the more reasonable approach is to join an association such as the OCC and utilize their recommendations and discounts pre-arranged for members at Top-Sail. I am not sure but, there might be other groups about the world. Or, form a group to obtain group-rate policies as someone else suggested we can favor one particular insurance company. However, the latter suggestion has already been pursued by Bill Rouse to no avail.
 
One last thought is licensing. Without valid verification, it might be impossible to stay in marinas etc. or for those that need it, a mortgage on the vessel.
 
Just my 2¢ worth.
 
Regardless of the outcome of this thread, I would like to see members of this group continue discussions as they find good options for their Amels.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
www.creampuff.us
 
 
From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "karkauai via groups.io" <karkauai@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, 17 May 2020 at 3:22 pm
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance
 
Hi All,
Given the insurance problems everyone is having, I thought I'd see if there is enough interest and/or expertise to pursue an AYOG self-insurance program.
Pat (Shenanigans) and I have talked about it a little. Here's the gist of what we discussed:

1. A buy-in of some percentage of your boat's  value that would be enough to cover the first year.  For example, a $300,000 SM owner might pay 2% or $6,000. If we had 200 similar owners, we'd have $1,200,000 to pay out.

2. It would' be a high deductible coverage  designed primarily to pay for total loss. Maybe something like 20% of the boat's value.

3. The most common claim would probably be lightening damage, which often amounts to $50,000 or more.  Our plan might pay for half of a major claim like that?

4. Boat's would have to be out of the hurricane zones during the season.  Any other restrictions?

5. Yearly Assessments could replenish what was paid out  Or we could continue to pay in until the principle was self-sustaining. That would require investing the funds and a whole added layer of complexity.

6. A rotating Board of unpaid members would oversee the plan (maybe a LLC?), and an administrator would be hired to do the paperwork.

7. Owners would purchase their own liability insurance.

This is all just a very rough framework that can be built on, scrapped and something else adopted, or what ever seems appropriate.  Any and all thoughts and suggestions are encouraged. I'm hoping we might have an owner or two that have some insurance or legal expertise to help us understand the potential pitfalls and options available.

Thanks for your ideas.
Kent
Kristy
S M 243
 
 


Re: Getting to St Maarten

Porter McRoberts
 

Eric. Can you let me know when you are thinking. I’d love to help you if it works out and you need a hand. 

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS A54-152 (Opua) 
But we’re in Fort Lauderdale 

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 
Www.fouribis.net

On May 23, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:

Hi Eric,
This is Tom, not sure if the right Tom. 
We have just entered the Chesapeake, having spent 8 days coming up from Puerto Rico. Glad to be back in the US. 
Sorry that Kimberlite remains in limbo. I am not able to help out bringing her up. But let me know about anything else. 
Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240

with its tiny keyboard

On May 22, 2020, at 7:36 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



I have made a reservation to get to St Thomas June 1st.  I will then be chartering a powerboat to St Maarten.

Once I arrive, I will check all systems and leave the following day.

Is there anyone who would also like to get to St Maarten to rescue their boat? We could share the cost of the trip from St Thomas to St Maarten?

 

Is there anyone trapped in St Maarten who would like to sail back to New York?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Getting to St Maarten

Thomas Peacock
 

Hi Eric,
This is Tom, not sure if the right Tom. 
We have just entered the Chesapeake, having spent 8 days coming up from Puerto Rico. Glad to be back in the US. 
Sorry that Kimberlite remains in limbo. I am not able to help out bringing her up. But let me know about anything else. 
Tom Peacock
Aletes SM 240

with its tiny keyboard

On May 22, 2020, at 7:36 PM, eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:



I have made a reservation to get to St Thomas June 1st.  I will then be chartering a powerboat to St Maarten.

Once I arrive, I will check all systems and leave the following day.

Is there anyone who would also like to get to St Maarten to rescue their boat? We could share the cost of the trip from St Thomas to St Maarten?

 

Is there anyone trapped in St Maarten who would like to sail back to New York?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Starting Capacitor size for a 220v, 50Hz 2.5 kw water maker high pressure motor

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

The 48 mfd you measured is approximately 20% below the specified value for that motor.  Industry standards say a 10% deviation is OK.  I would not discount the capacitor as the culprit.  Also, try and rotate the motor from the cooling fan end by hand to see if the motor or pump is locked up – verify the power is off.  Good Luck.


--
Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: Insurance

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark,
 I emailed Kent yesterday, that I was going to stop responding to posts on this subject ,as I don't want to take the time or clog up this site. But the 2% proposed deposit into a reserve fund ,was a one time deposit, which upon leaving the group, you would receive a 50% refund,provided you had not made any claims during your membership. With the group protecting you from a total loss ,perhaps an owner may chose to continue full coverage , but could insure his boat at a much lower fixed value ,which should result in a much lower annual premium. If you parked $4000. in the reserve fund  and it lowered your premium by a significant amount ,it could be a good return on your deposit . 
However ,I agree and related this to Kent ,its like herding cats ,  I have read comments that were based on false assumptions or the misinterpretations of what was originally proposed and I felt compelled correct them,can't keep doing it. For this to work ,it would need to be lead by someone well organized, it would have to be kept simple and limited in scope. I have said that ,it may be a case of a good idea whose time is yet to arrive. If underwriters continue to leave the market ,and coverage continues to shrink and continue to get more expensive ,its time may arrive . 
But I don't think it is now, I did not make the original post on this subject , but I have proposed some plans for it, and believe it has merit,  if an Amel Risk co-op ever evolves , count me in. But for now ,I will now respond to further discussions on this site , as often a subject goes on and on , clogging the site without end. 
Stay Safe,
Pat
SM#123


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Fri, May 22, 2020 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance

Not wanting to poop on this idea, I am in favor or the concept, but the proposed numbers just do not seem to work.
 
If I am to contribute 2% of the insured value of my boat, this amount is greater than what I am currently paying for my current company provided insurance (with minimal deductable and liability included).
 
Just my 2¢ but to think 200 owners would agree to this is IMO a bit of a pipe dream. Getting 10 people to agree on anything is difficult let alone 200.
 
Also, the idea of an assessment is frightening to me. Being at the mercy of others concerning my out of pocket expenses is very unappealing.
 
Perhaps the more reasonable approach is to join an association such as the OCC and utilize their recommendations and discounts pre-arranged for members at Top-Sail. I am not sure but, there might be other groups about the world. Or, form a group to obtain group-rate policies as someone else suggested we can favor one particular insurance company. However, the latter suggestion has already been pursued by Bill Rouse to no avail.
 
One last thought is licensing. Without valid verification, it might be impossible to stay in marinas etc. or for those that need it, a mortgage on the vessel.
 
Just my 2¢ worth.
 
Regardless of the outcome of this thread, I would like to see members of this group continue discussions as they find good options for their Amels.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275
Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia
www.creampuff.us
 
 
From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "karkauai via groups.io" <karkauai@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, 17 May 2020 at 3:22 pm
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance
 
Hi All,
Given the insurance problems everyone is having, I thought I'd see if there is enough interest and/or expertise to pursue an AYOG self-insurance program.
Pat (Shenanigans) and I have talked about it a little. Here's the gist of what we discussed:

1. A buy-in of some percentage of your boat's  value that would be enough to cover the first year.  For example, a $300,000 SM owner might pay 2% or $6,000. If we had 200 similar owners, we'd have $1,200,000 to pay out.

2. It would' be a high deductible coverage  designed primarily to pay for total loss. Maybe something like 20% of the boat's value.

3. The most common claim would probably be lightening damage, which often amounts to $50,000 or more.  Our plan might pay for half of a major claim like that?

4. Boat's would have to be out of the hurricane zones during the season.  Any other restrictions?

5. Yearly Assessments could replenish what was paid out  Or we could continue to pay in until the principle was self-sustaining. That would require investing the funds and a whole added layer of complexity.

6. A rotating Board of unpaid members would oversee the plan (maybe a LLC?), and an administrator would be hired to do the paperwork.

7. Owners would purchase their own liability insurance.

This is all just a very rough framework that can be built on, scrapped and something else adopted, or what ever seems appropriate.  Any and all thoughts and suggestions are encouraged. I'm hoping we might have an owner or two that have some insurance or legal expertise to help us understand the potential pitfalls and options available.

Thanks for your ideas.
Kent
Kristy
S M 243


Getting to St Maarten

eric freedman
 

I have made a reservation to get to St Thomas June 1st.  I will then be chartering a powerboat to St Maarten.

Once I arrive, I will check all systems and leave the following day.

Is there anyone who would also like to get to St Maarten to rescue their boat? We could share the cost of the trip from St Thomas to St Maarten?

 

Is there anyone trapped in St Maarten who would like to sail back to New York?

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: Mizzen furler gearbox, A54 peculiarity?

Sv Garulfo
 


Hi,

To close the thread:

I gave up on trying to unscrew the bottom. It was getting too risky to damage the unit and no one would be impressed with the drama. 

I think the only difference between the SM and the A54 (later hull numbers) gearboxes is 
1. the absence of top screwed lid on the A54 version,
2. The bottom lid holes are not drilled through on the 54. 

The rest is designed the same. I eventually managed to loosen the bottom part of the internal column. After much fresh water cleaning, the column rotates freely. 

I drilled the bottom lid holes through. They now act as drains like on the SM. I find that makes more sense. 

I cleaned the horizontal winch handle shaft and bushing. This is where the stiffness really comes from. I treated the aluminium/stainless steel interface with Tef-Gel.

I lightly greased the gears interface with marine grade grease. I left the Delrin balls alone and I’ll monitor how that evolves. 


Thanks all for your help,

Thomas 
A54-122
Tahuata, French Polynesia 






On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 08:29, Sv Garulfo via groups.io <svgarulfo=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Randall 

Thanks for that explanation

Do you remember if the internal column (vertical axis) is in 2 parts that are free to move  with respect to each other?

In mine, when the furler turns, the top part of the internal column (with the teeth) turns, but the bottom part does not (does not bulge at all). I’m puzzled as to whether that’s expected or not. The movement of the top part is smooth and feels normal. 
If I look at the drawing of the SM furler, I can’t see how the bottom part (part #9) would move so freely from the top part (part #6). 
image1.jpeg


Best,

Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Tahuata, French Polynesia 


On Tue, 19 May 2020 at 04:27, Randall <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:
Thomas,
I have inverted the picture. My furler only opens from the bottom, it just appears too open at the top. I think it was just a different casting, but the unit is the same.
The bar with the 2 drill bits passed through was just a scrap 2 foot length,18 inches to 24 will work.
A good vise, with a good wrap of bendable metal to protect the furler from vise teeth. If you put the crank handle shaft back in, it will keep the furler from turning in the vise.
Turn bottom a turn or two, then remove the crank handle shaft.
When putting the bearings back in after cleaning (do not grease bearings) insert internal gear up just far enough to feed the top set of bearings ,then push up, turn over put bottom bearings in tighten bottom, install Crank handle shaft. I doubt the unit will need to be done again for a long time, But anti seize may be an idea??

Hope that helps.
Randall
A54 #56
Still in Gib...

On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:53 AM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:
Hi Randall & Mohammad,

In Randall’s picture, i noticed the gearbox housing is consistent with the drawing in Gary Silver’s document. 

My gearbox appears slightly different, at least from the outside. It doesn’t have a screwed top lid. 

Mohammad, 
what is your gearbox like? Mine or Randall’s? 
Does it have straight through drain holes?


Randall,
Did you have to apply great force to unscrew the bottom part? How much leverage does your tool have? How long is the handle?



Thanks

Thomas
A54-122
Tahuata, French Polynesia 



On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 02:13, Randall <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:
Thomas,

There were 2 sets of Delrin bearings 1st set just under the bottom cap and the other in the top. My furler took 2 hands and great force to turn.
Just like in the Delos video. If you look at the one picture you can see the place where the Delrin bushings in the cranking shaft with the gear, has eroded and that is where all of the stiffness is coming from.
I can only say that the 2 holes in my furler bottom go all the way through.
I intend to make a start to finish video of this. It was incredibly simple and now the furler moves like new.

Cheers,
Randall

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 7:21 PM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:
Thanks Randall,

I will attempt to watch the video but I doubt the bandwidth here will allow that...

Further to Mohammad’s question, did you find a bearing inside or delrin balls like Gary described? 
As far as I can see through the horizontal shaft opening, there is a vertical element (consistent with the diagram in Gary’s document) that is supposed to be on a set of derlin balls at the bottom of the housing, but mine does not rotate at all. 

Clearly the gearing housing is not waterproof and without drains it will inevitably fill with dirt and water up to the attachment bolts. The bushing is then halfway soaked in that and the aluminium/stainless steel interface between the gearshaft and the winch handle socket attachment will corrode. The oxidation on the aluminium shaft will slowlly increase the friction to the bushing. The gears are moving freely otherwise. 

So, drill for drain or not? 


Thanks
Thomas

GARULFO 
A54-122
Tahuata, French Polynesia 




On Thu, 14 May 2020 at 10:11, Randall <sailingalbedo@...> wrote:
Thomas,
I removed disassembled and cleaned my mizzen outhaul last fall. You don't need to drop sail. The issue will be in the Delrin bushings that become very stiff. I have attached 2 pictures of my work. The bearings are not to be lubed/greased. I used a cheap homemade tool to unscrew the bottom. 2cm square bar 2 drill holes straight through, put the drill bits in so the solid end goes into the bottom of the furler, with furler in a vice. Worked great. 
I finished and put on a video from a fellow Amel owner who did the same job. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB67b2hK-kA&t=657s
They do the job at 8.02 of the video. If you need more info let me know. Use the bar not the saw.
Cheers.
 
Randall
A54 #56
Gibraltar



On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 6:50 PM Sv Garulfo <svgarulfo@...> wrote:
Hi all,

In the great document by Gary Silver about the overhaul of the SM Mizzen furler gearbox (thanks Arno for sending us a low bandwidth friendly version), it is mentioned that the bottom part of the gearbox housing is drilled with 2 holes that are used to both unscrew that part (with great efforts) and drain the gearbox of liquids. 

As our gearbox got stiffer recently, I removed it and it appears that those 2 holes are not through openings.. thus not acting as drains. And the gearbox was full of rainwater up to the attachment bolts. Arno tells me he saw the same. 
So the teflon bushing got very dirty and stiff with all sorts of deposits. 

Does anybody know why the drains are no longer machined through? Is it an A54 “innovation”? 
It doesn’t really make sense and I’m thinking of drilling those holes all the way through to reinstate the drain. Any word of advice against that idea?

Thanks for your input

Best, 


Thomas
GARULFO 
A54-122
Tahuata, French Polynesia 



Re: Insurance

Mark Erdos
 

Not wanting to poop on this idea, I am in favor or the concept, but the proposed numbers just do not seem to work.

 

If I am to contribute 2% of the insured value of my boat, this amount is greater than what I am currently paying for my current company provided insurance (with minimal deductable and liability included).

 

Just my 2¢ but to think 200 owners would agree to this is IMO a bit of a pipe dream. Getting 10 people to agree on anything is difficult let alone 200.

 

Also, the idea of an assessment is frightening to me. Being at the mercy of others concerning my out of pocket expenses is very unappealing.

 

Perhaps the more reasonable approach is to join an association such as the OCC and utilize their recommendations and discounts pre-arranged for members at Top-Sail. I am not sure but, there might be other groups about the world. Or, form a group to obtain group-rate policies as someone else suggested we can favor one particular insurance company. However, the latter suggestion has already been pursued by Bill Rouse to no avail.

 

One last thought is licensing. Without valid verification, it might be impossible to stay in marinas etc. or for those that need it, a mortgage on the vessel.

 

Just my 2¢ worth.

 

Regardless of the outcome of this thread, I would like to see members of this group continue discussions as they find good options for their Amels.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

 

From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of "karkauai via groups.io" <karkauai@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, 17 May 2020 at 3:22 pm
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Insurance

 

Hi All,
Given the insurance problems everyone is having, I thought I'd see if there is enough interest and/or expertise to pursue an AYOG self-insurance program.
Pat (Shenanigans) and I have talked about it a little. Here's the gist of what we discussed:

1. A buy-in of some percentage of your boat's  value that would be enough to cover the first year.  For example, a $300,000 SM owner might pay 2% or $6,000. If we had 200 similar owners, we'd have $1,200,000 to pay out.

2. It would' be a high deductible coverage  designed primarily to pay for total loss. Maybe something like 20% of the boat's value.

3. The most common claim would probably be lightening damage, which often amounts to $50,000 or more.  Our plan might pay for half of a major claim like that?

4. Boat's would have to be out of the hurricane zones during the season.  Any other restrictions?

5. Yearly Assessments could replenish what was paid out  Or we could continue to pay in until the principle was self-sustaining. That would require investing the funds and a whole added layer of complexity.

6. A rotating Board of unpaid members would oversee the plan (maybe a LLC?), and an administrator would be hired to do the paperwork.

7. Owners would purchase their own liability insurance.

This is all just a very rough framework that can be built on, scrapped and something else adopted, or what ever seems appropriate.  Any and all thoughts and suggestions are encouraged. I'm hoping we might have an owner or two that have some insurance or legal expertise to help us understand the potential pitfalls and options available.

Thanks for your ideas.
Kent
Kristy
S M 243


Re: Starting Capacitor size for a 220v, 50Hz 2.5 kw water maker high pressure motor

 

Sorry about that.  It is actually µF


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On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 2:14 PM Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Thank you BIll,
It looks almost identical but mine has a single capacitor with 54 micro F.  Yours has 2 of 30 mF in parallel (60 mF). is the m for micro of mili?  If it is micro, it is bad news for me because it would mean that my capacitor is OK and the motor is dead.  If it is mil, then my capacitor needs to be replaced.

Jose 
SM2K 278 


Re: Starting Capacitor size for a 220v, 50Hz 2.5 kw water maker high pressure motor

Jose Venegas
 

Thank you BIll,
It looks almost identical but mine has a single capacitor with 54 micro F.  Yours has 2 of 30 mF in parallel (60 mF). is the m for micro of mili?  If it is micro, it is bad news for me because it would mean that my capacitor is OK and the motor is dead.  If it is mil, then my capacitor needs to be replaced.

Jose 
SM2K 278 


Re: Starting Capacitor size for a 220v, 50Hz 2.5 kw water maker high pressure motor

 

Jose,

This probably is not what you are looking for, but....here you go.

This is the 220 volt motor for the Dessalator 150/160 liter water maker, but maybe newer than you SM.
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If that is yours, this may help:
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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 1:42 PM Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
The water maker high-pressure pump motor is not starting and breaking the AC circuits of shore power and Onan Generator.  It is a LeRoy motor. I have checked for a short circuit and seems OK. (1-ohm resistance between poles and 12.5 Khoms from pole to the earth)  The starting motor capacitor specs are not visible.  I measured  48 micro F, which seems small for the motor size.  Does anybody know if that is the proper size?  The motor makes a very short humming sound before the AC circuits jump.  Before I remove the motor and proceed with major surgery, I would like to know if the capacitor is the proper one or has failed.

Thanks in advance

Jose Venegas
Ipanema SM2000  278
Currently grounded in Grenada awaiting for the opening of Colombian ports to proceed.