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Santorin Genoa Furler Motor

Ian Park
 

I am having trouble sourcing brushes and springs for the 12v furling motor. It is made by Bosch but the serial number on the motor is not recognised by Bosch. Does anyone know any more detail about the motor? I have had quotes for fabricating brushes and springs at a considerable price. 

Ian

Ocean Hobo Santorin No. 96 (1994)


Re: Sand Blasting vs. Soda

 

I hired 2 guys in Turkey...2 days at about 6 hours a day and one of them worked twice as hard/fast as the other.

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 4:09 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Bill, Come on,you are too young to be in that old school. I stood back today and looked at that big hull and thought about how long it would take me to scrape and sand it down to the gel coat ,probably 200 hrs.,then walked right over to the office to inquire about sand blasting. Eric has me rethinking using a stripper,like Peel Away,but my negative side figures it probably doesn't work as advertised,nothing does. 
Stay Safe Down There,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2020 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sand Blasting vs. Soda

Well, in this case, I am more old-fashion than Eric! Scrape, then sand.
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:38 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Eric, I would think with 13 gallons you would be able to coat the boat 4 times. Did it take multiple coats to get it down to the gel coat,was it the kind of stripper you place plastic over ? It seems like so much work,that I would like to have it sand blasted and be done with it,but on the other hand I don't want to damage the gel coat. There is always pros &cons ,decisions are never easy and obvious,at least not for me.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io; Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2020 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sand Blasting vs. Soda

I preferred to do it the old fashioned way. I brought Kimberlite down to gel coat using 13 gallons of chemical stripper. It is tedious and 100% safe. You just don't know how good the operator of the soda blaster is. He might have 20 years of experience-- doing it the way. All the operator of the blaster has to do is lose concentration and blast right through the gelcoat and into Amels unique interior barrier coating.
Just a suspenders and belt solution. after washing the remnants of the stripper off , i had the boat sanded and applied 4 coats of Interprotect.
Kimberlite should now be good for another 18 years. Fair Winds
Eric

On July 16, 2020 at 2:33 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Pat,

Soda Blasting is significantly less aggressive then Sand Blasting and is much less likely to cause damage to your gelcoat.  Personally, I would not have my boat bottom Sand Blasted.

When I was considering what to do with Cara's bottom to remove all the layers of old anti-fouling, I contacted Olivier Beaute.  Olivier had done our pre-purchase survey and as part of the survey report he had recommended that we do something to remove the large accumulation of old antifouling at our next haul out.  When I asked him about Soda Blasting, he wrote:

"This is a good way to remove the old anti-fouling coats, as long as the operator is careful and does not insist too much on a specific area. In fact, as soon as the white gel-coat can be seen, the operator must move its tool. With 22 years of practice, these people surely know what they're doing.  What would be bad is to remove the gel-coat and get to the GRP, which would mean the glass scales coat is affected. This sometimes happens with dry sand- blasting, more rarely with wet-sand  blasting."

I also asked about adding a barrier coat after Soda Blasting, and he replied:

 "AMEL spreads polyester resin with glass scales, in the mold, after the gel coat is sprayed and before the first glass cloth. No epoxy as polyester and epoxy are not compatible when wet.  This is supposed to fight water penetration and it works rather good.  The epoxy coat as a « barrier » is not necessary because you already have one. Moreover, before you could apply epoxy, you would need to wait for the hull to be very dry.  All you need before the anti fouling is a coat of the primer recommended by the anti fouling manufacturer."

We decided to do two coats of Interprotect 2000e before applying out bottom coat anyway since we had her down to gelcoat for what we hope is the only time in our ownership.  

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

 


Re: Any data on B&G displays

 

It is likely that it is the B&G Hydra 2000 Processor. You should consider it at end-of-life at 18 years old.

You are in a beautiful spot. There is a place in England (https://www.aandtinstruments.com/) that might be able to repair the processor, but while it is removed, you will have nothing including no depth. Also, was the wind working on the digital display before this happened? When was the last time the wind was working? There are technicians on Grenada and Trinidad, but if it is the processor, they probably will not be able to help. There is a good B&G tech and shop in Nanny Cay Yard, Tortola, BVI.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 4:05 PM Stefan and Anne Deerberg <stefan.deerberg@...> wrote:
Hi together!

We have on our SM from 2002 the original B&G Hydra 2000 system.
This morning, I switched it on and all 4 displays on the helmstaition showing nothing at all. But down at the navstation the Hydra 2000 FFD shows all except the wind informations.
 I’m not very experienced in electronics but my suggestion is the processor could be the problem.

Has anyone ever had this problem?

Thank you 

Stefan
SM OYA, 373
Tobago Cays, Grenadines 






Re: Sand Blasting vs. Soda

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, Come on,you are too young to be in that old school. I stood back today and looked at that big hull and thought about how long it would take me to scrape and sand it down to the gel coat ,probably 200 hrs.,then walked right over to the office to inquire about sand blasting. Eric has me rethinking using a stripper,like Peel Away,but my negative side figures it probably doesn't work as advertised,nothing does. 
Stay Safe Down There,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io Notification <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2020 4:20 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sand Blasting vs. Soda

Well, in this case, I am more old-fashion than Eric! Scrape, then sand.
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:38 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Eric, I would think with 13 gallons you would be able to coat the boat 4 times. Did it take multiple coats to get it down to the gel coat,was it the kind of stripper you place plastic over ? It seems like so much work,that I would like to have it sand blasted and be done with it,but on the other hand I don't want to damage the gel coat. There is always pros &cons ,decisions are never easy and obvious,at least not for me.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io; Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2020 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sand Blasting vs. Soda

I preferred to do it the old fashioned way. I brought Kimberlite down to gel coat using 13 gallons of chemical stripper. It is tedious and 100% safe. You just don't know how good the operator of the soda blaster is. He might have 20 years of experience-- doing it the way. All the operator of the blaster has to do is lose concentration and blast right through the gelcoat and into Amels unique interior barrier coating.
Just a suspenders and belt solution. after washing the remnants of the stripper off , i had the boat sanded and applied 4 coats of Interprotect.
Kimberlite should now be good for another 18 years. Fair Winds
Eric

On July 16, 2020 at 2:33 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Pat,

Soda Blasting is significantly less aggressive then Sand Blasting and is much less likely to cause damage to your gelcoat.  Personally, I would not have my boat bottom Sand Blasted.

When I was considering what to do with Cara's bottom to remove all the layers of old anti-fouling, I contacted Olivier Beaute.  Olivier had done our pre-purchase survey and as part of the survey report he had recommended that we do something to remove the large accumulation of old antifouling at our next haul out.  When I asked him about Soda Blasting, he wrote:

"This is a good way to remove the old anti-fouling coats, as long as the operator is careful and does not insist too much on a specific area. In fact, as soon as the white gel-coat can be seen, the operator must move its tool. With 22 years of practice, these people surely know what they're doing.  What would be bad is to remove the gel-coat and get to the GRP, which would mean the glass scales coat is affected. This sometimes happens with dry sand- blasting, more rarely with wet-sand  blasting."

I also asked about adding a barrier coat after Soda Blasting, and he replied:

 "AMEL spreads polyester resin with glass scales, in the mold, after the gel coat is sprayed and before the first glass cloth. No epoxy as polyester and epoxy are not compatible when wet.  This is supposed to fight water penetration and it works rather good.  The epoxy coat as a « barrier » is not necessary because you already have one. Moreover, before you could apply epoxy, you would need to wait for the hull to be very dry.  All you need before the anti fouling is a coat of the primer recommended by the anti fouling manufacturer."

We decided to do two coats of Interprotect 2000e before applying out bottom coat anyway since we had her down to gelcoat for what we hope is the only time in our ownership.  

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

 


Any data on B&G displays

Stefan and Anne Deerberg
 

Hi together!

We have on our SM from 2002 the original B&G Hydra 2000 system.
This morning, I switched it on and all 4 displays on the helmstaition showing nothing at all. But down at the navstation the Hydra 2000 FFD shows all except the wind informations.
 I’m not very experienced in electronics but my suggestion is the processor could be the problem.

Has anyone ever had this problem?

Thank you 

Stefan
SM OYA, 373
Tobago Cays, Grenadines 






Re: Sand Blasting vs. Soda

 

Well, in this case, I am more old-fashion than Eric! Scrape, then sand.
image.png
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 2:38 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Eric, I would think with 13 gallons you would be able to coat the boat 4 times. Did it take multiple coats to get it down to the gel coat,was it the kind of stripper you place plastic over ? It seems like so much work,that I would like to have it sand blasted and be done with it,but on the other hand I don't want to damage the gel coat. There is always pros &cons ,decisions are never easy and obvious,at least not for me.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io; Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2020 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sand Blasting vs. Soda

I preferred to do it the old fashioned way. I brought Kimberlite down to gel coat using 13 gallons of chemical stripper. It is tedious and 100% safe. You just don't know how good the operator of the soda blaster is. He might have 20 years of experience-- doing it the way. All the operator of the blaster has to do is lose concentration and blast right through the gelcoat and into Amels unique interior barrier coating.
Just a suspenders and belt solution. after washing the remnants of the stripper off , i had the boat sanded and applied 4 coats of Interprotect.
Kimberlite should now be good for another 18 years. Fair Winds
Eric

On July 16, 2020 at 2:33 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Pat,

Soda Blasting is significantly less aggressive then Sand Blasting and is much less likely to cause damage to your gelcoat.  Personally, I would not have my boat bottom Sand Blasted.

When I was considering what to do with Cara's bottom to remove all the layers of old anti-fouling, I contacted Olivier Beaute.  Olivier had done our pre-purchase survey and as part of the survey report he had recommended that we do something to remove the large accumulation of old antifouling at our next haul out.  When I asked him about Soda Blasting, he wrote:

"This is a good way to remove the old anti-fouling coats, as long as the operator is careful and does not insist too much on a specific area. In fact, as soon as the white gel-coat can be seen, the operator must move its tool. With 22 years of practice, these people surely know what they're doing.  What would be bad is to remove the gel-coat and get to the GRP, which would mean the glass scales coat is affected. This sometimes happens with dry sand- blasting, more rarely with wet-sand  blasting."

I also asked about adding a barrier coat after Soda Blasting, and he replied:

 "AMEL spreads polyester resin with glass scales, in the mold, after the gel coat is sprayed and before the first glass cloth. No epoxy as polyester and epoxy are not compatible when wet.  This is supposed to fight water penetration and it works rather good.  The epoxy coat as a « barrier » is not necessary because you already have one. Moreover, before you could apply epoxy, you would need to wait for the hull to be very dry.  All you need before the anti fouling is a coat of the primer recommended by the anti fouling manufacturer."

We decided to do two coats of Interprotect 2000e before applying out bottom coat anyway since we had her down to gelcoat for what we hope is the only time in our ownership.  

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

 


Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thank you. I’m sure more questions will pop up as we get more involved in the design.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 1:15 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries

 

Mohammed,

The panels are SunPower semi flexible 170 watt panels. 


The controllers are 100/15 Victron MPPT’s

The panels were about $500 each and the controllers were about 140 each. 

If you are going to go with SunPower I would highly recommend SunPoweredYachts.com. They are a small company based in Hawaii but everything ships free from the mainland. The owner Lyall, is fantastic and very communicative both before and after the sale. He is very accessible and customer service oriented.


Again if you have any additional questions don’t hesitate to ask.

All the Best,

 

Paul Stascavage 

S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

 

RitaKathryn.com

 

Currently Exploring City Island 

 

 


Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries

Paul Stascavage
 

Mohammed,

The panels are SunPower semi flexible 170 watt panels. 


The controllers are 100/15 Victron MPPT’s

The panels were about $500 each and the controllers were about 140 each. 

If you are going to go with SunPower I would highly recommend SunPoweredYachts.com. They are a small company based in Hawaii but everything ships free from the mainland. The owner Lyall, is fantastic and very communicative both before and after the sale. He is very accessible and customer service oriented.


Again if you have any additional questions don’t hesitate to ask.

All the Best,

 
Paul Stascavage 
S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466
 
RitaKathryn.com
 
Currently Exploring City Island 
 

 


Re: Amel parts

Bill Shaproski
 

I ordered some parts from Amel last week and they arrived two days later.  
Regards
Bill

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 12:02 AM Elaine Leishman via groups.io <leishman.elaine=yahoo.com.au@groups.io> wrote:
Does anyone on the forum know whether Amel is open for business at the moment, or on summer holidays.  I have emailed Maud at sav@... for availability for some parts and have had no response.
Thanks,
Elaine SM2000 Nebo No. 251


Re: Sand Blasting vs. Soda

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric, I would think with 13 gallons you would be able to coat the boat 4 times. Did it take multiple coats to get it down to the gel coat,was it the kind of stripper you place plastic over ? It seems like so much work,that I would like to have it sand blasted and be done with it,but on the other hand I don't want to damage the gel coat. There is always pros &cons ,decisions are never easy and obvious,at least not for me.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: eric freedman <kimberlite@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io; Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
Sent: Thu, Jul 16, 2020 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Sand Blasting vs. Soda

I preferred to do it the old fashioned way. I brought Kimberlite down to gel coat using 13 gallons of chemical stripper. It is tedious and 100% safe. You just don't know how good the operator of the soda blaster is. He might have 20 years of experience-- doing it the way. All the operator of the blaster has to do is lose concentration and blast right through the gelcoat and into Amels unique interior barrier coating.
Just a suspenders and belt solution. after washing the remnants of the stripper off , i had the boat sanded and applied 4 coats of Interprotect.
Kimberlite should now be good for another 18 years. Fair Winds
Eric

On July 16, 2020 at 2:33 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Pat,

Soda Blasting is significantly less aggressive then Sand Blasting and is much less likely to cause damage to your gelcoat.  Personally, I would not have my boat bottom Sand Blasted.

When I was considering what to do with Cara's bottom to remove all the layers of old anti-fouling, I contacted Olivier Beaute.  Olivier had done our pre-purchase survey and as part of the survey report he had recommended that we do something to remove the large accumulation of old antifouling at our next haul out.  When I asked him about Soda Blasting, he wrote:

"This is a good way to remove the old anti-fouling coats, as long as the operator is careful and does not insist too much on a specific area. In fact, as soon as the white gel-coat can be seen, the operator must move its tool. With 22 years of practice, these people surely know what they're doing.  What would be bad is to remove the gel-coat and get to the GRP, which would mean the glass scales coat is affected. This sometimes happens with dry sand- blasting, more rarely with wet-sand  blasting."

I also asked about adding a barrier coat after Soda Blasting, and he replied:

 "AMEL spreads polyester resin with glass scales, in the mold, after the gel coat is sprayed and before the first glass cloth. No epoxy as polyester and epoxy are not compatible when wet.  This is supposed to fight water penetration and it works rather good.  The epoxy coat as a « barrier » is not necessary because you already have one. Moreover, before you could apply epoxy, you would need to wait for the hull to be very dry.  All you need before the anti fouling is a coat of the primer recommended by the anti fouling manufacturer."

We decided to do two coats of Interprotect 2000e before applying out bottom coat anyway since we had her down to gelcoat for what we hope is the only time in our ownership.  

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

 


Re: Sand Blasting vs. Soda

eric freedman
 

I preferred to do it the old fashioned way. I brought Kimberlite down to gel coat using 13 gallons of chemical stripper. It is tedious and 100% safe. You just don't know how good the operator of the soda blaster is. He might have 20 years of experience-- doing it the way. All the operator of the blaster has to do is lose concentration and blast right through the gelcoat and into Amels unique interior barrier coating.
Just a suspenders and belt solution. after washing the remnants of the stripper off , i had the boat sanded and applied 4 coats of Interprotect.
Kimberlite should now be good for another 18 years. Fair Winds
Eric

On July 16, 2020 at 2:33 PM Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

Pat,

Soda Blasting is significantly less aggressive then Sand Blasting and is much less likely to cause damage to your gelcoat.  Personally, I would not have my boat bottom Sand Blasted.

When I was considering what to do with Cara's bottom to remove all the layers of old anti-fouling, I contacted Olivier Beaute.  Olivier had done our pre-purchase survey and as part of the survey report he had recommended that we do something to remove the large accumulation of old antifouling at our next haul out.  When I asked him about Soda Blasting, he wrote:

"This is a good way to remove the old anti-fouling coats, as long as the operator is careful and does not insist too much on a specific area. In fact, as soon as the white gel-coat can be seen, the operator must move its tool. With 22 years of practice, these people surely know what they're doing.  What would be bad is to remove the gel-coat and get to the GRP, which would mean the glass scales coat is affected. This sometimes happens with dry sand- blasting, more rarely with wet-sand  blasting."

I also asked about adding a barrier coat after Soda Blasting, and he replied:

 "AMEL spreads polyester resin with glass scales, in the mold, after the gel coat is sprayed and before the first glass cloth. No epoxy as polyester and epoxy are not compatible when wet.  This is supposed to fight water penetration and it works rather good.  The epoxy coat as a « barrier » is not necessary because you already have one. Moreover, before you could apply epoxy, you would need to wait for the hull to be very dry.  All you need before the anti fouling is a coat of the primer recommended by the anti fouling manufacturer."

We decided to do two coats of Interprotect 2000e before applying out bottom coat anyway since we had her down to gelcoat for what we hope is the only time in our ownership.  

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA

 


Re: Sand Blasting vs. Soda

Mark McGovern
 

Pat,

Soda Blasting is significantly less aggressive then Sand Blasting and is much less likely to cause damage to your gelcoat.  Personally, I would not have my boat bottom Sand Blasted.

When I was considering what to do with Cara's bottom to remove all the layers of old anti-fouling, I contacted Olivier Beaute.  Olivier had done our pre-purchase survey and as part of the survey report he had recommended that we do something to remove the large accumulation of old antifouling at our next haul out.  When I asked him about Soda Blasting, he wrote:

"This is a good way to remove the old anti-fouling coats, as long as the operator is careful and does not insist too much on a specific area. In fact, as soon as the white gel-coat can be seen, the operator must move its tool. With 22 years of practice, these people surely know what they're doing.  What would be bad is to remove the gel-coat and get to the GRP, which would mean the glass scales coat is affected. This sometimes happens with dry sand-blasting, more rarely with wet-sand blasting."

I also asked about adding a barrier coat after Soda Blasting, and he replied:

 "AMEL spreads polyester resin with glass scales, in the mold, after the gel coat is sprayed and before the first glass cloth. No epoxy as polyester and epoxy are not compatible when wet.  This is supposed to fight water penetration and it works rather good.  The epoxy coat as a « barrier » is not necessary because you already have one. Moreover, before you could apply epoxy, you would need to wait for the hull to be very dry.  All you need before the anti fouling is a coat of the primer recommended by the anti fouling manufacturer."

We decided to do two coats of Interprotect 2000e before applying out bottom coat anyway since we had her down to gelcoat for what we hope is the only time in our ownership.  

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries

Mohammad Shirloo
 

That is great Paul. Do you mind sharing the manufacturer and model number of the panels you used and the cost of the panels?

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries

 

Hello Mohammad

Yes, that is at 24 volts.  So far the output has been exceeding my expectations.  Feel free to reach out with any additional questions.


All the Best,

 

Paul Stascavage 

S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

 

RitaKathryn.com

 

Currently Exploring City Island 


Sand Blasting vs. Soda

Patrick McAneny
 

My boat's topsides are about to be painted with awlcraft ,and I would like to remove a couple of layers of old bottom paint prior to that being done. The marina only does sand blasting. I have gotten the impression that soda is preferable to sand ,but not sure if this is true. The marina manager assured me that they can sand blast without damaging the gelcoat. He also recommended three coats of barrier coating prior to bottom paint.
Is there any good reason not to have a boat sand blasted ? 
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans 


Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries

Paul Stascavage
 

Hello Mohammad

Yes, that is at 24 volts.  So far the output has been exceeding my expectations.  Feel free to reach out with any additional questions.


All the Best,

 
Paul Stascavage 
S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466
 
RitaKathryn.com
 
Currently Exploring City Island 


Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Paul;

 

I read your blog, thanks for the link. Is the 100-150 amp hours/day you are seeing at 24Volts?  That would translate to 2.4KW to 3.6KW yield/day from your 680W total solar array. Does this sound about right?

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:16 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries

 

Hello Kent

i hope all is well with you and Iris. 


We have 680 watts on the Bimini (four 170 watt panels). 340 Port and 340 Sartboard. The panels on each side are connected in series with each side going to its own controller. We also move the boom to the side while at anchor and although I do get some shading at times it doesn’t seem to be a big issue. Output varies depending on numerous factors but we are typically seeing between 100 and 150 amp hours per day. 


I’m betting you would see a significant improvement if you were to add a second controller. 


All the Best,

 

Paul Stascavage 

S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

 

RitaKathryn.com

 

Currently Exploring City Island 


Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries

Paul Stascavage
 

Hello Kent

i hope all is well with you and Iris. 


We have 680 watts on the Bimini (four 170 watt panels). 340 Port and 340 Sartboard. The panels on each side are connected in series with each side going to its own controller. We also move the boom to the side while at anchor and although I do get some shading at times it doesn’t seem to be a big issue. Output varies depending on numerous factors but we are typically seeing between 100 and 150 amp hours per day. 


I’m betting you would see a significant improvement if you were to add a second controller. 


All the Best,

 
Paul Stascavage 
S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466
 
RitaKathryn.com
 
Currently Exploring City Island 


Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Kent. Trying hard not to affect the design and lines of the 54 with an Arch. Even though the stern is the most logical place for it. I think some of the new solar panels are less sensitive to shadow and multiple controllers, stratigcally connected, should produce better results.  Still a work in progress.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of karkauai via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 9:33 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries

 

Hi Mohammad,

I put 600W of hard panels on my arch, and 250W soft panels on my cockpit enclosure. The soft ones are mounted aft of the boom, but still contribute only 7% of my total solar charging experience. When at anchor I swing the boom off to the side, but still don't see significant output.  There's almost always a shadow from a shroud or mast on one of the panels. I have both of the panels on the same controller, I would probably get better output if they were on separate controllers.

 

As currently configured, the soft panels aren't worth the money and effort. The hard panels on the arch are great.

 

Kent and Iris

SM 243

Kristy

 

On Jul 16, 2020 10:56 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Paul;

 

Can you please share your experience with your installation on your bimini top? This is the location we are looking at for our solar panels, but are concerned about the shadow effect of the boom and sails on power generation. The following are relevant to our design and would appreciate some information about your installation:

 

  1. What manufacturer and type of solar did you use?
  2. How many panels and what is the total rated wattage?
  3. How much is your daily average amp hour production on a normal day.
  4. How many solar controllers ?
  5. Parallel or series connection of the panels?

 

We are trying to decide whether to go with a soft or hardtop for the panels. Any issues with your installation or anything you would do different? If you have some pictures, that would help.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 6:22 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries

 

Andy,

 

Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the group. You will find a wealth of information and help here from some very knowledgeable and like minded sailors. 

 

I was given some very good advice when we first purchased our SM and that was to wait at least a year before making any changes to the original design/systems. We waited at least two years and I am glad we did. 

 

Likewise I wanted to add solar when we purchased but I heeded the advice. 

 

The waiting allowed us to evaluate whether we really wanted solar, determine what our normal energy needs were, and to see enough other Amel installations to know whether we wanted hard panels on an arch, the rails, etc or to go with flexible panels somewhere else. 

 

We opted for flexible panels on our Bimini top. 

 

I am so glad we waited as I now have a system that I am 100 percent happy with and one that is exceeding our expectations on power generation. 

 

You can read about our project and install here:

 

 

All the Best,

 

Paul Stascavage 

S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

 

RitaKathryn.com

 

Currently Exploring City Island 

 

 


Re: Stainless steel arch Canaries

karkauai
 

Hi Mohammad,
I put 600W of hard panels on my arch, and 250W soft panels on my cockpit enclosure. The soft ones are mounted aft of the boom, but still contribute only 7% of my total solar charging experience. When at anchor I swing the boom off to the side, but still don't see significant output.  There's almost always a shadow from a shroud or mast on one of the panels. I have both of the panels on the same controller, I would probably get better output if they were on separate controllers.

As currently configured, the soft panels aren't worth the money and effort. The hard panels on the arch are great.

Kent and Iris
SM 243
Kristy

On Jul 16, 2020 10:56 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:

Hi Paul;

 

Can you please share your experience with your installation on your bimini top? This is the location we are looking at for our solar panels, but are concerned about the shadow effect of the boom and sails on power generation. The following are relevant to our design and would appreciate some information about your installation:

 

  1. What manufacturer and type of solar did you use?
  2. How many panels and what is the total rated wattage?
  3. How much is your daily average amp hour production on a normal day.
  4. How many solar controllers ?
  5. Parallel or series connection of the panels?

 

We are trying to decide whether to go with a soft or hardtop for the panels. Any issues with your installation or anything you would do different? If you have some pictures, that would help.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Stascavage via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 6:22 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Stainless steel arch Canaries

 

Andy,

 

Congratulations on your purchase and welcome to the group. You will find a wealth of information and help here from some very knowledgeable and like minded sailors. 

 

I was given some very good advice when we first purchased our SM and that was to wait at least a year before making any changes to the original design/systems. We waited at least two years and I am glad we did. 

 

Likewise I wanted to add solar when we purchased but I heeded the advice. 

 

The waiting allowed us to evaluate whether we really wanted solar, determine what our normal energy needs were, and to see enough other Amel installations to know whether we wanted hard panels on an arch, the rails, etc or to go with flexible panels somewhere else. 

 

We opted for flexible panels on our Bimini top. 

 

I am so glad we waited as I now have a system that I am 100 percent happy with and one that is exceeding our expectations on power generation. 

 

You can read about our project and install here:

 

 

All the Best,

 

Paul Stascavage 

S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466

 

RitaKathryn.com

 

Currently Exploring City Island 

 



Re: Nikimat.com is now SuperMaramu2000.com with all the illustrations

Paul Stascavage
 

Bill

i would like to second your comments. Here, here!

All the Best,
 
Paul Stascavage 
S/V Rita Kathryn  SM #466
 
RitaKathryn.com
 
Currently Exploring City Island