Re: A question to the hive mind re Amel 54 (Sleipner side power) Bow thruster capacitor please.
Mark & Debbie Mueller
Very recently I had an opportunity to get familiar with our Sleipner bow thruster. No such part was in the unit.
-- Mark Mueller Brass Ring A54
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
We have a D.3 110 also. Our previous boat had a Yanmar without Turbo our common rail. It was every bit as smooth and quiet as our D3. Never had a sensor issue. Clean fuel is all it needed.
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To me, there are so many complex systems on out boats, the simpler any one component, the better. We like the D3 so far, but we’re only up to the 250 hour service interval. ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Aug 23, 2020, at 3:43 PM, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
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Re: Furling main on Amel 60
What I meant is that Selden has had for many years a Mainsail hydraulic furling and outhaul in the boom.
And now they are selling a synchronised electric system for mainsail furling. I understood it uses load measuring to adapt the outhaul to the in mast furling. Denis Envoyé de mon iPhone
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Re: Output on SM
Thomas Peacock
Hi Alexander,
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That looks like a proprietary (maybe Garmin?) receptacle for the main electrical supply for a chart plotter. If your chartplotter doesn’t plug into it, then it may be of no use. But you can always use the hole for another receptacle. There must be wires coming out of the back. I would assume two of them are 12 volt power, maybe others go to a NMEA network. Have you checked where they go? Tom Peacock SM 240 Aletes Chesapeake Bay
On Aug 23, 2020, at 9:39 AM, Alexander Schenk via groups.io <schenkschierloh=me.com@groups.io> wrote: --
Tom Peacock SM 240 Aletes Chesapeake Bay
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Re: Furling main on Amel 60
Hi Denis,
Aha, so you are saying they are now using a hydraulic furling system for the main. Interesting as it seems the headsail furlers are still electric. I'm not sure if I like that added complexity. Thanks for the info, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
Hi Matt,
I'm not saying the mechanical injection is not preferable on a boat. But saying common rail was developed just to satisfy emission regulations is not true. It was obviously a added bonus that should be cared for if not for our children, but the efficiency, smoothness and power delivery of a modern common rail diesel is so much better then the classic stuff. Especially if you go into turbo-diesel territory. So in a car its vastly preferably over the old technology. But I do agree, for a boat much less so. But keep in mind the following, there are still people that say a engine has no place on a sailing yacht and you should handle everything with your sails. I'm not one of them but my point is that what now is seen as normal used to be exotic and failure prone. Fact is that a huge number of boats use common rail now and it's not like they are all failing because of whatever. My point is that when deciding for a new engine, look at the full package and decide on what you feel is important to you. I know there is one Yanmar engine where for many boats it is close to impossible to change the impeller as it sits on the other end of the engine. So if you are in the middle of wherever and need to change a failing impeller you will not be a happy camper. That does not make Yanmar a bad engine. They have a well deserved good reputation. My own D3-110 has it flaws but I can't complain about the smoothness, efficiency and quietness of this engine. Thanks to being common rail. Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Output on SM
Hello,
Having purchased our SM last year and due to COVID-restrictions we are getting to know our boat better (and working on our extensive worklist) with every day we have the possibility to be on board. I am currently looking fror to find out how to use a plotter or other electronic device in the cockpit. I have found the following Anybody any idea what this might be used for (plotter?, computer?) I have already tried to contact the previous owner but to no avail so far. Thankful for any idea. Best Alexander SY Antinea #231
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
Much of the expense is the labor involved, so the 50% component of the motor, isn’t so much. Also, you don’t rebuild everything. Some components will still be original. Are you going to rebuild the HP pump? The injectors? If so, the 50% difference declines...... given my life’s lessons with rebuild vs new, I’d go with new every time.
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~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Aug 23, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Volker <Puchta@...> wrote:
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
The Perkins M50 has run 4300 hours. It start still good on the first click, but creates some oil smoke and he oil consumption is at about 1 liter per 100 hours.
A complete rebuilt would cost about 50% of an brand new engine. Could be an option, but if you one day decide to sell the boat this would not benefit the selling price. Volker Mickmoon, Sharki hull no 176
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
He Matt
Thank you. the hotel was a very helpful and very understandable answer! Thanks Elja SM Balu 222 Von meinem iPhone gesendet
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
Mechanical fuel injection is very reliable. It only needs clean fuel, and the lubricaring qualities of the fuel will keep the system happy for many years.
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Commonrail fuel injection was developed to satisfy strict pollution requirements. The fuel is kept at high pressure behind all injectors (common rail) and the opening and closing of electronically controlled injectors is controlled by a computer. The computer can turn on and off the injectors rapidly, cycling the injectors multiple times during one combustion cycle. This allows the fuel to be burned to reduce pollution. Good on paper. The problem arises if an electronic component, computer, injector, sensor, etc, fails. This requires an electronics tech to diagnose. Also, and of most importance, a lightning strike can destroy the electronics, disabling the engine entirely. This can’t happen with mechanical fuel injection. I was at the Annapolis Boat Show, admiring the Yanmar engines at their display. I asked a technician there what happens if the boat is struck by lightning. He replied that he just repaired a new engine that suffered a lightning strike. He replaced the computer, the injectors, and all sensors. The bill to the customer was $10,000. A mechanically fuel injected engine would have no failure and subsequent repair bill. Otherwise, no problems at all!😀 ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
Please one question .
What is the problem with the commonrail technik on a sail boat ? Thanks Elja SM Balu 222 Von meinem iPhone gesendet
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Re: Furling main on Amel 60
Hello,
The Selden setup is like this or also a hydraulic in boom with a synchronised furling unfurling with The hydraulic in mast with only one button. I think Selden has just released a synchronised Electrical version. Regards Denis Ex Meltem #32 Envoyé de mon iPhone
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Re: Furling main on Amel 60
Found this picture:
I'm intrigued by this. Why did they change the setup? Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
Hi Volker,
Just out of curiosity, how many hours are on your M50 and what issues are leading you to plan on a replacement? Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
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Re: Ladder
Mark McGovern
Quetzal gets around! Here are some pics of her stern in Le Marin Martinique in June 2017:44
Here is a close up of the ladder: -- Mark McGovern SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
I recommend Beta because: They use Kubota diesels They have no computer They have more experience with isolated ground, and My clients who have repowered with them are happy. Email me if you want more. brouse@... Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html
On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 12:40 PM Volker <Puchta@...> wrote: Good advise not to go with the new common rail technology. That are exactly my thoughts to go for simple but reliable.
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
Good advise not to go with the new common rail technology. That are exactly my thoughts to go for simple but reliable.
As Beta is not that common here in Europe, I have got an offer for a Sole Mini 62. Spanish brand, Mitsubishi basis 4 stroke, without turbo. The old Perkins installed by Amel does have a mass free installation (minus does have complete extra wiring). I think this is not standard installation and may need modifications in the motor electrics. Does anyone know wether this is really essential? Thank‘s Volker Mickmoon, Sharki hull no. 176
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
That would be great. I do t think the mechanically injected ones are available in the US....not sure, though.
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~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Aug 22, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347 via groups.io <joedoakes66@...> wrote:
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Re: Ladder
Heinz Stutenbaeumer
Wuetzal Am 22.08.2020 01:44 schrieb Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...>:
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