Output on SM
Hello,
Having purchased our SM last year and due to COVID-restrictions we are getting to know our boat better (and working on our extensive worklist) with every day we have the possibility to be on board. I am currently looking fror to find out how to use a plotter or other electronic device in the cockpit. I have found the following Anybody any idea what this might be used for (plotter?, computer?) I have already tried to contact the previous owner but to no avail so far. Thankful for any idea. Best Alexander SY Antinea #231
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
Much of the expense is the labor involved, so the 50% component of the motor, isn’t so much. Also, you don’t rebuild everything. Some components will still be original. Are you going to rebuild the HP pump? The injectors? If so, the 50% difference declines...... given my life’s lessons with rebuild vs new, I’d go with new every time.
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On Aug 23, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Volker <Puchta@...> wrote:
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
The Perkins M50 has run 4300 hours. It start still good on the first click, but creates some oil smoke and he oil consumption is at about 1 liter per 100 hours.
A complete rebuilt would cost about 50% of an brand new engine. Could be an option, but if you one day decide to sell the boat this would not benefit the selling price. Volker Mickmoon, Sharki hull no 176
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
He Matt
Thank you. the hotel was a very helpful and very understandable answer! Thanks Elja SM Balu 222 Von meinem iPhone gesendet
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
Mechanical fuel injection is very reliable. It only needs clean fuel, and the lubricaring qualities of the fuel will keep the system happy for many years.
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Commonrail fuel injection was developed to satisfy strict pollution requirements. The fuel is kept at high pressure behind all injectors (common rail) and the opening and closing of electronically controlled injectors is controlled by a computer. The computer can turn on and off the injectors rapidly, cycling the injectors multiple times during one combustion cycle. This allows the fuel to be burned to reduce pollution. Good on paper. The problem arises if an electronic component, computer, injector, sensor, etc, fails. This requires an electronics tech to diagnose. Also, and of most importance, a lightning strike can destroy the electronics, disabling the engine entirely. This can’t happen with mechanical fuel injection. I was at the Annapolis Boat Show, admiring the Yanmar engines at their display. I asked a technician there what happens if the boat is struck by lightning. He replied that he just repaired a new engine that suffered a lightning strike. He replaced the computer, the injectors, and all sensors. The bill to the customer was $10,000. A mechanically fuel injected engine would have no failure and subsequent repair bill. Otherwise, no problems at all!😀 ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:41 AM, Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222 <Bijorka@...> wrote:
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
Please one question .
What is the problem with the commonrail technik on a sail boat ? Thanks Elja SM Balu 222 Von meinem iPhone gesendet
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Re: Furling main on Amel 60
Hello,
The Selden setup is like this or also a hydraulic in boom with a synchronised furling unfurling with The hydraulic in mast with only one button. I think Selden has just released a synchronised Electrical version. Regards Denis Ex Meltem #32 Envoyé de mon iPhone
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Re: Furling main on Amel 60
Found this picture:
I'm intrigued by this. Why did they change the setup? Regards, Arno Luijten SV Luna, A54-121
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
Hi Volker,
Just out of curiosity, how many hours are on your M50 and what issues are leading you to plan on a replacement? Cheers, Craig SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
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Re: Ladder
Mark McGovern
Quetzal gets around! Here are some pics of her stern in Le Marin Martinique in June 2017:44
Here is a close up of the ladder: -- Mark McGovern SM #440 Cara Deale, MD USA
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
I recommend Beta because: They use Kubota diesels They have no computer They have more experience with isolated ground, and My clients who have repowered with them are happy. Email me if you want more. brouse@... Best, CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School +1 832-380-4970 | brouse@... 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html
On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 12:40 PM Volker <Puchta@...> wrote: Good advise not to go with the new common rail technology. That are exactly my thoughts to go for simple but reliable.
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
Good advise not to go with the new common rail technology. That are exactly my thoughts to go for simple but reliable.
As Beta is not that common here in Europe, I have got an offer for a Sole Mini 62. Spanish brand, Mitsubishi basis 4 stroke, without turbo. The old Perkins installed by Amel does have a mass free installation (minus does have complete extra wiring). I think this is not standard installation and may need modifications in the motor electrics. Does anyone know wether this is really essential? Thank‘s Volker Mickmoon, Sharki hull no. 176
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
That would be great. I do t think the mechanically injected ones are available in the US....not sure, though.
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On Aug 22, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347 via groups.io <joedoakes66@...> wrote:
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Re: Ladder
Heinz Stutenbaeumer
Wuetzal Am 22.08.2020 01:44 schrieb Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...>:
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
Yanmar still offers non-common rail motors up to at least 160 HP. Actually they offer both versions for each HP range. It’s your choice. And they are great motors in my opinion😎
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On Aug 22, 2020, at 5:44 AM, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
I agree you should avoid common rail diesels if possible however 50 Horses engines are still mostly classic injection. Volvo D2-55 could be an option. This is a re-badged Perkins that gives you a little extra power. Volvo can give nice rebates on re-powering if you push them a bit (I have experience). These 4 cylinders run very nicely. Also have a look at Beta and Nanni. Nanni being French may have have specific experience with Amel. Keep an eye on the weight of the engine the older designs tend to be quite heavy.
Also look carefully at the design of the engine from maintenance point of view. Some engines have impellers and oil filters in places very hard to reach for some boats. For example; my engine is a D110i-C. This model was designed by someone clueless about converting engines for marine use. VP must have fired him as the later models D-H models) were very much different. So for your Sharki look beyond the initial purchase price. Part prices, availability of parts and effort to maintain are also things to consider.
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
Gerhard Mueller
There is a typo in the link above.
Correct should be: https://www.betamarinenc.com/ -- Gerhard Mueller Amel Sharki #60 Currently Kalamata, Greece
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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki
I would have recommended Yanmar, for parts and service availability, worldwide. That was before commonrail fuel injection. Now, a lightning strike can leave you with a $10,000 repair bill, besides your boat electronics.
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I’d look for a brand that stilluses mechanical fuel injection. I believe Beta Marine (betamarineenc.com) still does. We repowered with Yanmar before the change. We have several friends who are happy with their betamarine upgrades. ~~~⛵️~~~Matt
On Aug 22, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Volker <Puchta@...> wrote:
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Re-power an Amel Sharki
I am planning to replace the original Perkins M50 on my 1989 built Sharki. Is there any advice from the community which are good replacement options and what are potential issues which I have to take care when installing a new engine.
Thank you, Volker Mickmoon, Sharki no. 176
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Re: A question to the hive mind re Amel 54 (Sleipner side power) Bow thruster capacitor please.
Porter McRoberts
Thank you all. I really appreciate all the thoughts.
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Sleipner still sleeping. IMTRA seems willing to help. They had some questions which prohibited a final answer today. Regardless. The thruster thrusts well, sounds good without it. We turned around in the marina just fine. I’ll limit use without the widget and update when I get final answers Thanks again and have a wonderful weekend! Porter Porter McRoberts S/V IBIS A54-152 WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206Www.fouribis.net
On Aug 21, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:
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