Date   
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

True Allan. However oil is always more of a challenge to seals than grease, in some situations in my former life  I have added grease to oil in a gearbox to solve habitual leakage. The lithium grease I use is quite light so I expect it would tend to stay where needed. As to lubricated for life. The absence of lube points in the original could suggest the same, obviously not so.

Cheers
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl


On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 18:48, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

It seems reasonable that IF you put a grease nipple on the gearbox, you need another hole to let out the old grease, otherwise you'll blow the seals
Seems to me though  that using grease is always going to result in the same issue.
The grease gets thrown away from the gears as they rotate....
Also seems to me that the box would be better off filled with SAE90 gear oil, that way the gears would always be lubricated.
I note that the last gearbox that I got from Leroy Somer had on the name plate "lubricated for life". I assume that is because it is filled with oil?
I haven't taken it apart to check, but it wouldn't be difficult.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
sur la terre

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

Alan Leslie
 

It seems reasonable that IF you put a grease nipple on the gearbox, you need another hole to let out the old grease, otherwise you'll blow the seals
Seems to me though  that using grease is always going to result in the same issue.
The grease gets thrown away from the gears as they rotate....
Also seems to me that the box would be better off filled with SAE90 gear oil, that way the gears would always be lubricated.
I note that the last gearbox that I got from Leroy Somer had on the name plate "lubricated for life". I assume that is because it is filled with oil?
I haven't taken it apart to check, but it wouldn't be difficult.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437
sur la terre

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

James Alton
 

Danny,

   Ok thanks.  I like the plan of using the Lithium since it does not stain the sails too bad if it gets out.  

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 27, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi James, no I don't. I use a lithium grease, and use the same all the time. The original grease in my gearboxes was completely solid so I cleaned it out.. So mixing wasn't an issue. The box I did in situ until I had time to dismantle it was fine as the old grease was solid round the edges and the new grease was where it matters
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Sent: Monday, 28 November 2016 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 
Danny,

The suggested upgrade of adding grease nipples to the furler gear boxes sounds like a great idea to me. I am planning to take care of this the next time that I am at the boat.   I know that some types of grease do not mix well.  Do you by chance know what type of grease is best to use in these gearboxes based on what was in there originally?

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi James, no I don't. I use a lithium grease, and use the same all the time. The original grease in my gearboxes was completely solid so I cleaned it out.. So mixing wasn't an issue. The box I did in situ until I had time to dismantle it was fine as the old grease was solid round the edges and the new grease was where it matters
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Monday, 28 November 2016 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 
Danny,

The suggested upgrade of adding grease nipples to the furler gear boxes sounds like a great idea to me. I am planning to take care of this the next time that I am at the boat.   I know that some types of grease do not mix well.  Do you by chance know what type of grease is best to use in these gearboxes based on what was in there originally?

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

James Alton
 

Danny,

The suggested upgrade of adding grease nipples to the furler gear boxes sounds like a great idea to me. I am planning to take care of this the next time that I am at the boat.   I know that some types of grease do not mix well.  Do you by chance know what type of grease is best to use in these gearboxes based on what was in there originally?

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Sardinia

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

David,

I write this email with a "heavy heart" because as a new owner of a Super Maramu, you have had one of the worst experiences that I know of. I am certain that you will leave this experience in your wake as your Super Maramu takes you to some amazing places in the world.

That said, I have to say the following because I also am pissed off. Your "expert mechanic" is somebody who thinks he is really smart, claims to know Amels, and is a member of this group, even though he does not own an Amel. He has again screwed things up for another Amel owner...this time it was your turn.

He has supplied you with a wear bushing that was made by someone other than Amel. While attempting to remove the 3 lip seals, he has scored/scratched the inner wall of the cavity that the outside of the lip seals "seal-to," and amazingly scored/scratched the roller bearing.

The cavity walls should be completely smooth and coated with waterproof grease before you begin to press the seals in place. I use emory cloth to clean the cavity wall each time I do the job, but, all I am removing is salt residue and debris. Hopefully the team at Amel Martinique will have a solution for the extremely poor installation attempt made by this extremely poor excuse of an Amel mechanic. 

Everyone,

I will not post the name of the person who performed this work for David, but if anyone wants to know who this person is, write me at svbebe"at"gmail.com. In my opinion, he should be avoided in the brokerage of Amels and the maintenance of Amels. I am sure that some will differ with my opinion, and my opinion could be wrong.

I am not sure why anyone would buy a wear bushing from any source other than Amel. It is 149.80 euros from France and 30% more if you pick it up at Amel Martinique. We all are going to find reason to order from Amel and we all should have on hand at least 1 set of everything needed for wear bushing service and bow thruster service. I normally have 2-3 sets. Plan your parts orders so that they are less frequent and you will save on shipping costs.

Does Amel make a profit on these parts? I certainly hope so and I hope that it is enough profit and enough of us order from them so that they will continue supplying parts for as long as we own our boats. Everyone, please consider this when you look to save a few bucks!

Best,

Bill
BeBe 387
Currently St. John USVI





On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 4:18 PM, David Vogel dbv_au@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Ric - I'll keep that in mind if this attempt doesn't work out OK.




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main, Genoa furlet Grease

eric freedman
 

Ben,

The outhaul shaft can be a nightmare.

Check it out as soon as possible.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 6:33 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main, Genoa furlet Grease

 

 

Thanks Eric.  Had not considered the  outhaul shaft before.  Good advise.  

Ben Driver

La Bella Vita

SM #347


On Nov 26, 2016, at 2:37 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,

I installed small nylon bolts on each gearbox and the Main furler and outhaul .

On the gearboxes I drilled and tapped them on either sided.

One high and one low. I pump grease into the gearbox on the low side and when it comes out clean I stop.

I use the grease gun adapter for the Autoprop to insert the grease.

I chose the small nylon bolts over the grease nipples as I could see the grease flowing out of the gearbox , and in addition I do not have any corrosion problems.

 

With the genoa the holes are on the same side (port)  and if you look at a drawing of the gearbox you will see

Where to put the holes. I do this twice yearly.

 

In addition I remove the outhaul shaft and coat it with high temperature waterproof Neva-Seize grease.

I do this twice yearly.

The outhaul shaft is especially important as if it gets stuck it is a royal pain to get out.

I also sanded down the outhaul key on the shaft a few thousands of an inch.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 3:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 

 

Hi Ben,

soon after we bought Ocean Pearl (8 years old) we had horrible screeching from the furler. Anyone in the cabin when it was activated jumped in fright at the noise. I investigated and found the grease in the gearbox had gone hard and was at the peripheries and not on the gears. Like you I found no lubrication system. I pioneered putting grease nipples in the side of all three furler gearboxes, main furler, outhaul and genoa furler. This can be done in situ with care. I put grease nipples in. Others have put removable plugs. Either works and I regularly add a few pumps of grease. End of problem. I did a post at the time with details and photos.

If you want details of how to do it in situ let me know and I will give details. It is not difficult. However some time it would pay to dismantle the gearbox to remove the old grease. Another furler noise problem. I had high pitched noise this year from the genoa furler. I had the fore stay down for another reason and took the opportunity to recoat the forestay liberally with grease ala Amel. No more noise. So simple. I used a full grease cartridge. Logically we should expect to do this periodically as the grease will not last forever.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

 


From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 

 

Hi Ben:  

 

When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

 

Wish you all the best Ben. 

 

Sincerely, 

 

Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Wearing out bearing

SV Perigee
 

Thanks Ric - I'll keep that in mind if this attempt doesn't work out OK.




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G 213 Masthead Unit

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Thanks for the info Bill !

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sun, 11/27/16, yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G 213 Masthead Unit
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 27, 2016, 8:40 AM


 









Recently I lost some parts to the B&G
213 Masthead Unit. Fortunately another owner (Pat -
Shenanigans) had the parts I needed because he had recently
replaced all of his electronics including the B&G 213 Masthead Unit.
During the process of removing and inspecting
my B&G 213 Masthead Unit, I stripped the male threads on
the Masthead Mounting Bracket with the metal female securing
nut on the Masthead Unit. I remembered hearing about another
owner doing this same thing. I remembered that he had to
replace the Masthead Mounting Bracket and the attached wire
which runs through the mast. So I was prepared to do this
also.

Then, fortunately,
included in what Pat (Shenanigans) sent me I found a black
plastic threaded sleeve. I had no idea what it was, but
began looking at everything I had and realized that the
threaded part on the Masthead Mounting Bracket was actually
that sleeve and it unscrewed from the Mounting Bracket. I
assume that B&G realized that "things happen"
on a boat.

So bringing a
long story to a conclusion, now all I have to do to solve my
cross-thread issue is change the sleeve which screws onto
the Masthead Mounting Bracket and replace the 213 Masthead
Unit with one that is a combination of what I had and what
Pat sent me.

I am
attempting to upload a photo to the Album named "B
& G Mast Head Wind Instruments." Unfortunately, I
have had no luck uploading photos this week...probably a
problem with Yahoo! However, you should look at this entire
album. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1976709260

I hope this saves someone some
bacon.

BillBeBe 387Currently
St. John, USVI

B&G 213 Masthead Unit

yahoogroups@...
 

Recently I lost some parts to the B&G 213 Masthead Unit. Fortunately another owner (Pat - Shenanigans) had the parts I needed because he had recently replaced all of his electronics including the B&G 213 Masthead Unit.


During the process of removing and inspecting my B&G 213 Masthead Unit, I stripped the male threads on the Masthead Mounting Bracket with the metal female securing nut on the Masthead Unit. I remembered hearing about another owner doing this same thing. I remembered that he had to replace the Masthead Mounting Bracket and the attached wire which runs through the mast. So I was prepared to do this also.

Then, fortunately, included in what Pat (Shenanigans) sent me I found a black plastic threaded sleeve. I had no idea what it was, but began looking at everything I had and realized that the threaded part on the Masthead Mounting Bracket was actually that sleeve and it unscrewed from the Mounting Bracket. I assume that B&G realized that "things happen" on a boat.

So bringing a long story to a conclusion, now all I have to do to solve my cross-thread issue is change the sleeve which screws onto the Masthead Mounting Bracket and replace the 213 Masthead Unit with one that is a combination of what I had and what Pat sent me.

I am attempting to upload a photo to the Album named "B & G Mast Head Wind Instruments." Unfortunately, I have had no luck uploading photos this week...probably a problem with Yahoo! However, you should look at this entire album. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1976709260

I hope this saves someone some bacon.

Bill

BeBe 387

Currently St. John, USVI

 

B&G 213 Masthead Unit

yahoogroups@...
 

Recently I lost some parts to the B&G 213 Masthead Unit. Fortunately another owner (Pat - Shenanigans) had the parts I needed because he had recently replaced all of his electronics including the B&G 213 Masthead Unit.


During the process of removing and inspecting my B&G 213 Masthead Unit, I stripped the male threads on the Masthead Mounting Bracket with the metal female securing nut on the Masthead Unit. I remembered hearing about another owner doing this same thing. I remembered that he had to replace the Masthead Mounting Bracket and the attached wire which runs through the mast. So I was prepared to do this also.

Then, fortunately, included in what Pat (Shenanigans) sent me I found a black plastic threaded sleeve. I had no idea what it was, but began looking at everything I had and realized that the threaded part on the Masthead Mounting Bracket was actually that sleeve and it unscrewed from the Mounting Bracket. I assume that B&G realized that "things happen" on a boat.

So bringing a long story to a conclusion, now all I have to do to solve my cross-thread issue is change the sleeve which screws onto the Masthead Mounting Bracket and replace the 213 Masthead Unit with one that is a combination of what I had and what Pat sent me.

I am attempting to upload a photo to the Album named "B & G Mast Head Wind Instruments." Unfortunately, I have had no luck uploading photos this week...probably a problem with Yahoo! However, you should look at this entire album. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/1976709260

I hope this saves someone some bacon.

Bill

BeBe 387

Currently St. John, USVI

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve,

If you are going to sail south, you may want to use the rigger that Amel in Martinique uses and recommends. I could list dozens of reasons for visiting Martinique from French wine, French food and, of course, Amel and their Caribbean team. Oh, and Marina Du Marin is only about 580 euros a month including electricity. Contacts: Marina Du Marin marina-martinique.fr> and/or Marina Du Marin wanadoo.fr> Use both I know one works and one email does not, but I do not remember which one. Amel contact in Martinique is amel.caraibes"at"amel.fr

If you decide that Martinique is in your future (I recommend it), contact the owner of the rigging shop there: Gaëtan Rivet caraibe-greement.fr>. A complete re-rig will cost you 9032.34 euro ($9,568.87USD at 1 EUR = 1.05940 USD) EUR), which includes taxes and 3 days on the working pontoon at their shop. Also he charges 141 euro for a complete and well-done rigging inspection.

While we were there over a period of 2 months they averaged one Amel every 10 days for rigging work and most were complete re-rigs. I think that you will be hard-pressed to find more Amel rigging experience.

I heard of one issue that one owner had with this shop, but I want to stress that Gaëtan was cleaning up a really bad job that someone in the US did on a Super Maramu in an effort to cut down the forestay so that they did not have to buy the special Amel turnbuckle that Joel mentioned in an earlier email. Everything turned out fine, but did not turn out exactly like the owner had planned. It is sometimes difficult to turn chickens inot eggs.

I hope this helps you.

Bill Rouse
BeBe #387
Currently St. John USVI



On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Steve,

We are here to share our experiences.

2 years ago in Fort Lauderdale I wanted to use Nance and Underwood as recommended on the forum.
I wanted the forestay greased (part of 5 or 6 years maintenance) and add a track for the staysail.
Since Nance and Underwood had never done that job, and did not think it was necessary I showed the greasing procedure written on the forum.
The manager “Houston” was very rude and impolite.

Meanwhile I met a couple owning another SM2K who ask for the same work (greasing the forestay).
We had dinner on their boat, and they shows me their quote which they just received.
The next day I receive mine which was 50% more.

As much as I wanted the work done, I couldn’t convince myself to hire them.
I still don’t understand Mr Houston’s attitude.

During my 6 months stay, I ask other businesses (Mac Donald hardware supply, Boat Owner Warehouse, etc.) for recommendations.
People keep mentioning their name (just because they heard of them, did not actually use them), Then when I told my story, how rude Mr Houston was, all replied the same thing: they are known as “jerks” (some use word starting with an A and 2 S followed by hole) “because they know they are the only guys in town and can charge what they want”.

So if even go back there I would likely use the person that Mark just recommended.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 11/26/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 26, 2016, 8:21 PM




 









Steve,
 We replace our standing rigging about
a year ago and used Nance and Underwood in Ft. Lauderdale.
They were recommended to us by Joel Potter. We were very
pleased with the work they did. Here is a link to their web
site: www.riggingandsails.com
 The person in charge of the crew that
Nance and Underwood sent knew Amel rigging very well. He was
Jason Pinko. Jason has since started his own company. We
used him recently to fine tune our rig (the rig he
installed). His prices are reasonable and he has rigged many
Amels and understands the nuances of the boat. I highly
recommend him. Here is his web page and contact info:
 www.argonautrigging.com
 Argonaut RiggingJason PinkoOrmond Beach, Florida
32176Phone  954-599-3425Pinkorigging@gmail.com
 Jason lives in the Daytona area but
does work all over Florida.
 Hope this helps.
   
       With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season – Still
here  From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 7:00
PM
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo
Rig questions    Thanks to all who responded
to my previous questions about the Swage fittings. I would
now like to ask about ordering a new rig. MY SM2K #380 is
presently in Ft. Lauderdale and I have asked around a bit
and have heard from several folks in the area that they
could replace my rig "no problem, we'll just take a
few off, send them to Miami and they will send new ones back
up quick".    Assuming I can get new
ones from Acmo assembled and delivered in a few weeks, is
there any reason to even consider having them made locally?
 Assuming again that I do go straight to Acmo for new
rigging, how best do I vet riggers in the Ft. Lauderdale
area to install.  Joel, or others with knowledge of the
area, are there riggers I should know about that might be
more familiar with the Amel?
 Thanks,Steve MorrisonSM2K #380
TouraiFt. Lauderdale



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Steve,

We are here to share our experiences.

2 years ago in Fort Lauderdale I wanted to use Nance and Underwood as recommended on the forum.
I wanted the forestay greased (part of 5 or 6 years maintenance) and add a track for the staysail.
Since Nance and Underwood had never done that job, and did not think it was necessary I showed the greasing procedure written on the forum.
The manager “Houston” was very rude and impolite.

Meanwhile I met a couple owning another SM2K who ask for the same work (greasing the forestay).
We had dinner on their boat, and they shows me their quote which they just received.
The next day I receive mine which was 50% more.

As much as I wanted the work done, I couldn’t convince myself to hire them.
I still don’t understand Mr Houston’s attitude.

During my 6 months stay, I ask other businesses (Mac Donald hardware supply, Boat Owner Warehouse, etc.) for recommendations.
People keep mentioning their name (just because they heard of them, did not actually use them), Then when I told my story, how rude Mr Houston was, all replied the same thing: they are known as “jerks” (some use word starting with an A and 2 S followed by hole) “because they know they are the only guys in town and can charge what they want”.

So if even go back there I would likely use the person that Mark just recommended.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI




--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 11/26/16, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, November 26, 2016, 8:21 PM


 









Steve,
 We replace our standing rigging about
a year ago and used Nance and Underwood in Ft. Lauderdale.
They were recommended to us by Joel Potter. We were very
pleased with the work they did. Here is a link to their web
site: www.riggingandsails.com
 The person in charge of the crew that
Nance and Underwood sent knew Amel rigging very well. He was
Jason Pinko. Jason has since started his own company. We
used him recently to fine tune our rig (the rig he
installed). His prices are reasonable and he has rigged many
Amels and understands the nuances of the boat. I highly
recommend him. Here is his web page and contact info:
 www.argonautrigging.com
 Argonaut RiggingJason PinkoOrmond Beach, Florida
32176Phone  954-599-3425Pinkorigging@...
 Jason lives in the Daytona area but
does work all over Florida.
 Hope this helps.
   
       With best
regards,  Mark  Super Maramu
2000Hull
#275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season – Still
here  From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 7:00
PM
To:
amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo
Rig questions    Thanks to all who responded
to my previous questions about the Swage fittings. I would
now like to ask about ordering a new rig. MY SM2K #380 is
presently in Ft. Lauderdale and I have asked around a bit
and have heard from several folks in the area that they
could replace my rig "no problem, we'll just take a
few off, send them to Miami and they will send new ones back
up quick".    Assuming I can get new
ones from Acmo assembled and delivered in a few weeks, is
there any reason to even consider having them made locally?
 Assuming again that I do go straight to Acmo for new
rigging, how best do I vet riggers in the Ft. Lauderdale
area to install.  Joel, or others with knowledge of the
area, are there riggers I should know about that might be
more familiar with the Amel?
 Thanks,Steve MorrisonSM2K #380
TouraiFt. Lauderdale

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main, Genoa furlet Grease

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Eric.  Had not considered the  outhaul shaft before.  Good advise.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 26, 2016, at 2:37 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,

I installed small nylon bolts on each gearbox and the Main furler and outhaul .

On the gearboxes I drilled and tapped them on either sided.

One high and one low. I pump grease into the gearbox on the low side and when it comes out clean I stop.

I use the grease gun adapter for the Autoprop to insert the grease.

I chose the small nylon bolts over the grease nipples as I could see the grease flowing out of the gearbox , and in addition I do not have any corrosion problems.

 

With the genoa the holes are on the same side (port)  and if you look at a drawing of the gearbox you will see

Where to put the holes. I do this twice yearly.

 

In addition I remove the outhaul shaft and coat it with high temperature waterproof Neva-Seize grease.

I do this twice yearly.

The outhaul shaft is especially important as if it gets stuck it is a royal pain to get out.

I also sanded down the outhaul key on the shaft a few thousands of an inch.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 3:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 

 

Hi Ben,

soon after we bought Ocean Pearl (8 years old) we had horrible screeching from the furler. Anyone in the cabin when it was activated jumped in fright at the noise. I investigated and found the grease in the gearbox had gone hard and was at the peripheries and not on the gears. Like you I found no lubrication system. I pioneered putting grease nipples in the side of all three furler gearboxes, main furler, outhaul and genoa furler. This can be done in situ with care. I put grease nipples in. Others have put removable plugs. Either works and I regularly add a few pumps of grease. End of problem. I did a post at the time with details and photos.

If you want details of how to do it in situ let me know and I will give details. It is not difficult. However some time it would pay to dismantle the gearbox to remove the old grease. Another furler noise problem. I had high pitched noise this year from the genoa furler. I had the fore stay down for another reason and took the opportunity to recoat the forestay liberally with grease ala Amel. No more noise. So simple. I used a full grease cartridge. Logically we should expect to do this periodically as the grease will not last forever.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

 


From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 

 

Hi Ben:  

 

When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

 

Wish you all the best Ben. 

 

Sincerely, 

 

Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico

 

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Thanks Danny excellent 

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 26, 2016, at 3:39 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben, copied below is my post from June 8 2011, conversation 8796. If you go to photos in the Amel yahoo site and enter nipple as a search you will find photos showing positioning and a shot of the tools used.
Cheers
Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand

Hi all,
Here is the process for installing grease nipples. I have posted photos under the name above.

Tools required: Electric drill, grease nipple, threading tap (plug type) the correct size for the nipples thread. drill bit the correct size for the threading tap. I bought all together, then I was sure they were all the right size. Two wine bottle corks, some grease.

You will see that the nipples are in the cover over where the worm drive spline that drives the gear rotates.
This ensures that nice fresh grease is right where the main action is.

Process.. First remove wine corks from bottles and drink the wine, red or white is OK. (Joke)

There is a photo of my electric drill with a drill bit in it.
You will see that I have put wine corks on it. That is so when you drill in place you do not push through and damage the internal gears. Leave only enough drill showing to go just through the casing.
Start very short, then If it is too short, take a little cork off and try again.

I did the outhaul box while it was dismantled so put the nipple centre where the casing is at its least thickness. The main furler was done in place so you will see the nipple is off set. This is because the case is shaped around the worm drive and is thicker to one side. This ensured (being ultra careful) that there was enough wall thickness for the threading plug to do its job. I placed the headsail furtler nipple centre as I was confident of sufficient wall thickness.

Drill very carefully, you do not want to push drill filings into the gear box. Put grease liberally on the drill so that the filings will stick to that. Like wise when you are using the threading tap put liberal grease on it to hold the filings.

Once you have drilled the hole use the tap to thread it. The thread on the grease nipple is tapered so do not thread too far in.. Stop too soon rather than go too far, you can always do a bit more if you need to. Screw in the nipple. Using a grease gun pump in the grease.

Do not pump too much grease in or you will push the seals out. As to whether the old grease will come out. In my case I had had the gearboxes apart and cleaned out so with fresh grease in there it was OK. I just add a little every month.

You could if you wanted too drill another hole opposite and above where you put the nipple, thread it and put a plug in. Just remove that when you are regreasing and the old grease will push out. But not if it has gone hard. I wouldn't worry about it, so long as we have fresh grease on the spline and gear.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui


From: "Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 
Thanks for all the Info Danny.  I will add those grease fittings and would appreciate the where and how at your convenience..  It situ if possible with complete dismantle and cleaning later.  My noise seems to be coming from inside the mast - maybe the rotating foil?  Do you know if this should be lubricated periodically and how?


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 26, 2016, at 6:55 AM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Danny
Can you pls send me some pics about the greasing nippels.
my e-mail: hanspeter dot baettig at bluemail.ch
Thank you very much.
Hanspeter
SM 16 Tamango 2

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 26.11.2016 um 08:59 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 
Hi Ben,
soon after we bought Ocean Pearl (8 years old) we had horrible screeching from the furler. Anyone in the cabin when it was activated jumped in fright at the noise. I investigated and found the grease in the gearbox had gone hard and was at the peripheries and not on the gears. Like you I found no lubrication system. I pioneered putting grease nipples in the side of all three furler gearboxes, main furler, outhaul and genoa furler. This can be done in situ with care. I put grease nipples in. Others have put removable plugs. Either works and I regularly add a few pumps of grease. End of problem. I did a post at the time with details and photos.
< span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480146105107_4987">If you want details of how to do it in situ let me know and I will give details. It is not difficult. However some time it would pay to dismantle the gearbox to remove the old grease. Another furler noise problem. I had high pitched noise this year from the genoa furler. I had the fore stay down for another reason and took the opportunity to recoat the forestay liberally with grease ala Amel. No more noise. So simple. I used a full grease cartridge. Logically we should expect to do this periodically as the grease will not last forever.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 
Hi Ben:  

When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft.. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

Wish you all the best Ben. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silve r
s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions

amelforme
 

The best guys in Fort Lauderdale, who have done all my Amel re-rigging work for several decades, are Nance  and Underwood. They are familiar with all Amel idiosyncrasies and have familiarity with all aspects of the rig and have done at least thirty or forty Amel boats. They have also done complete rebuilds of both masts and all furlers including rewiring and LED nab lights and complete refinishing/painting using chromate and alodine to obtain a better and longer lasting finish than the original coatings.
You can also get STA-LOC mechanical end fittings which are better than swages in every way except being slightly more expensive. Call Roger Underwood 954-764-6001. They also have an in-house solution to a better replacement for the unique turnbuckle on the head stay. 
These guys are good people and very competent.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Nov 26, 2016, at 6:59 PM, steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks to all who responded to my previous questions about the Swage fittings. I would now like to ask about ordering a new rig. MY SM2K #380 is presently in Ft. Lauderdale and I have asked around a bit and have heard from several folks in the area that they could replace my rig "no problem, we'll just take a few off, send them to Miami and they will send new ones back up quick".  


Assuming I can get new ones from Acmo assembled and delivered in a few weeks, is there any reason to even consider having them made locally?  Assuming again that I do go straight to Acmo for new rigging, how best do I vet riggers in the Ft. Lauderdale area to install.  Joel, or others with knowledge of the area, are there riggers I should know about that might be more familiar with the Amel?


Thanks,

Steve Morrison

SM2K #380 Tourai

Ft. Lauderdale

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions

Mark Erdos
 

Steve,

 

We replace our standing rigging about a year ago and used Nance and Underwood in Ft. Lauderdale. They were recommended to us by Joel Potter. We were very pleased with the work they did. Here is a link to their web site: www.riggingandsails.com

 

The person in charge of the crew that Nance and Underwood sent knew Amel rigging very well. He was Jason Pinko. Jason has since started his own company. We used him recently to fine tune our rig (the rig he installed). His prices are reasonable and he has rigged many Amels and understands the nuances of the boat. I highly recommend him. Here is his web page and contact info:

 

www.argonautrigging.com

 

Argonaut Rigging

Jason Pinko

Ormond Beach, Florida 32176

Phone  954-599-3425

Pinkorigging@...

 

Jason lives in the Daytona area but does work all over Florida.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

 

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season – Still here

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 7:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] New Acmo Rig questions

 

 

Thanks to all who responded to my previous questions about the Swage fittings. I would now like to ask about ordering a new rig. MY SM2K #380 is presently in Ft. Lauderdale and I have asked around a bit and have heard from several folks in the area that they could replace my rig "no problem, we'll just take a few off, send them to Miami and they will send new ones back up quick".  

 

Assuming I can get new ones from Acmo assembled and delivered in a few weeks, is there any reason to even consider having them made locally?  Assuming again that I do go straight to Acmo for new rigging, how best do I vet riggers in the Ft. Lauderdale area to install.  Joel, or others with knowledge of the area, are there riggers I should know about that might be more familiar with the Amel?

 

Thanks,

Steve Morrison

SM2K #380 Tourai

Ft. Lauderdale

New Acmo Rig questions

steve_morrison@...
 

Thanks to all who responded to my previous questions about the Swage fittings. I would now like to ask about ordering a new rig. MY SM2K #380 is presently in Ft. Lauderdale and I have asked around a bit and have heard from several folks in the area that they could replace my rig "no problem, we'll just take a few off, send them to Miami and they will send new ones back up quick".  


Assuming I can get new ones from Acmo assembled and delivered in a few weeks, is there any reason to even consider having them made locally?  Assuming again that I do go straight to Acmo for new rigging, how best do I vet riggers in the Ft. Lauderdale area to install.  Joel, or others with knowledge of the area, are there riggers I should know about that might be more familiar with the Amel?


Thanks,

Steve Morrison

SM2K #380 Tourai

Ft. Lauderdale

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Ben, copied below is my post from June 8 2011, conversation 8796. If you go to photos in the Amel yahoo site and enter nipple as a search you will find photos showing positioning and a shot of the tools used.
Cheers
Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui
New Zealand

Hi all,
Here is the process for installing grease nipples. I have posted photos under the name above.

Tools required: Electric drill, grease nipple, threading tap (plug type) the correct size for the nipples thread. drill bit the correct size for the threading tap. I bought all together, then I was sure they were all the right size. Two wine bottle corks, some grease.

You will see that the nipples are in the cover over where the worm drive spline that drives the gear rotates.
This ensures that nice fresh grease is right where the main action is.

Process.. First remove wine corks from bottles and drink the wine, red or white is OK. (Joke)

There is a photo of my electric drill with a drill bit in it.
You will see that I have put wine corks on it. That is so when you drill in place you do not push through and damage the internal gears. Leave only enough drill showing to go just through the casing.
Start very short, then If it is too short, take a little cork off and try again.

I did the outhaul box while it was dismantled so put the nipple centre where the casing is at its least thickness. The main furler was done in place so you will see the nipple is off set. This is because the case is shaped around the worm drive and is thicker to one side. This ensured (being ultra careful) that there was enough wall thickness for the threading plug to do its job. I placed the headsail furtler nipple centre as I was confident of sufficient wall thickness.

Drill very carefully, you do not want to push drill filings into the gear box. Put grease liberally on the drill so that the filings will stick to that. Like wise when you are using the threading tap put liberal grease on it to hold the filings.

Once you have drilled the hole use the tap to thread it. The thread on the grease nipple is tapered so do not thread too far in.. Stop too soon rather than go too far, you can always do a bit more if you need to. Screw in the nipple. Using a grease gun pump in the grease.

Do not pump too much grease in or you will push the seals out. As to whether the old grease will come out. In my case I had had the gearboxes apart and cleaned out so with fresh grease in there it was OK. I just add a little every month.

You could if you wanted too drill another hole opposite and above where you put the nipple, thread it and put a plug in. Just remove that when you are regreasing and the old grease will push out. But not if it has gone hard. I wouldn't worry about it, so long as we have fresh grease on the spline and gear.
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl
Mangonui


From: "Ben Driver/YAHOO joedoakes66@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 27 November 2016 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 
Thanks for all the Info Danny.  I will add those grease fittings and would appreciate the where and how at your convenience..  It situ if possible with complete dismantle and cleaning later.  My noise seems to be coming from inside the mast - maybe the rotating foil?  Do you know if this should be lubricated periodically and how?


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 26, 2016, at 6:55 AM, 'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Hi Danny
Can you pls send me some pics about the greasing nippels.
my e-mail: hanspeter dot baettig at bluemail.ch
Thank you very much.
Hanspeter
SM 16 Tamango 2

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 26.11.2016 um 08:59 schrieb Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 
Hi Ben,
soon after we bought Ocean Pearl (8 years old) we had horrible screeching from the furler. Anyone in the cabin when it was activated jumped in fright at the noise. I investigated and found the grease in the gearbox had gone hard and was at the peripheries and not on the gears. Like you I found no lubrication system. I pioneered putting grease nipples in the side of all three furler gearboxes, main furler, outhaul and genoa furler. This can be done in situ with care. I put grease nipples in. Others have put removable plugs. Either works and I regularly add a few pumps of grease. End of problem. I did a post at the time with details and photos.
< span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1480146105107_4987">If you want details of how to do it in situ let me know and I will give details. It is not difficult. However some time it would pay to dismantle the gearbox to remove the old grease. Another furler noise problem. I had high pitched noise this year from the genoa furler. I had the fore stay down for another reason and took the opportunity to recoat the forestay liberally with grease ala Amel. No more noise. So simple. I used a full grease cartridge. Logically we should expect to do this periodically as the grease will not last forever.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 
Hi Ben:  

When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft.. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

Wish you all the best Ben. 

Sincerely, 

Gary S. Silve r
s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico




Main, Genoa furlet Grease

eric freedman
 

Hi Ben,

I installed small nylon bolts on each gearbox and the Main furler and outhaul .

On the gearboxes I drilled and tapped them on either sided.

One high and one low. I pump grease into the gearbox on the low side and when it comes out clean I stop.

I use the grease gun adapter for the Autoprop to insert the grease.

I chose the small nylon bolts over the grease nipples as I could see the grease flowing out of the gearbox , and in addition I do not have any corrosion problems.

 

With the genoa the holes are on the same side (port)  and if you look at a drawing of the gearbox you will see

Where to put the holes. I do this twice yearly.

 

In addition I remove the outhaul shaft and coat it with high temperature waterproof Neva-Seize grease.

I do this twice yearly.

The outhaul shaft is especially important as if it gets stuck it is a royal pain to get out.

I also sanded down the outhaul key on the shaft a few thousands of an inch.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 3:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 

 

Hi Ben,

soon after we bought Ocean Pearl (8 years old) we had horrible screeching from the furler. Anyone in the cabin when it was activated jumped in fright at the noise. I investigated and found the grease in the gearbox had gone hard and was at the peripheries and not on the gears. Like you I found no lubrication system. I pioneered putting grease nipples in the side of all three furler gearboxes, main furler, outhaul and genoa furler. This can be done in situ with care. I put grease nipples in. Others have put removable plugs. Either works and I regularly add a few pumps of grease. End of problem. I did a post at the time with details and photos.

If you want details of how to do it in situ let me know and I will give details. It is not difficult. However some time it would pay to dismantle the gearbox to remove the old grease. Another furler noise problem. I had high pitched noise this year from the genoa furler. I had the fore stay down for another reason and took the opportunity to recoat the forestay liberally with grease ala Amel. No more noise. So simple. I used a full grease cartridge. Logically we should expect to do this periodically as the grease will not last forever.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

 


From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 

 

Hi Ben:  

 

When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

 

Wish you all the best Ben. 

 

Sincerely, 

 

Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico