Date   

Re: Mechanical Shaft Seal source for water pumps

Duane Siegfri
 

Eric,

I googled Applied Automation and:


Applied Automation Is Now Closed To New Business

 

Ever since Applied Automation was formed in February 1990 we have worked tirelessly to provide the best service to our loyal customers.

After 27 years and 6,739 jobs in 73 countries it is now time to close the door and set off on new adventures.

Our spare parts stock and repair activities have been acquired by Classic Automation, who will be able to supply the full range of parts and service previously offered by us.

Software services and project engineering will be provided by Clan Engineering, who are fully approved Eaton Moeller ASPs

We’d like to say a big thanks to everyone we’ve met along the way!



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mechanical Shaft Seal source for water pumps

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Patrick,

Ok putting it aside.
I am asking for 80% of what I paid.
From memory (and I will check on my invoice from Amel) it was the same as the Bow Thruster joystick.
For small invoice PayPal is fine, US check is also ok.

Busy week, haven’t had much time to read the forum, been putting together all the invoice (maintenance) for the insurance… they want the proof that my boat was maintained.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Fri, 11/17/17, pjn.mccallin@jerseymail.co.uk [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 17, 2017, 3:43 PM


 









Thank you Alexandre, I recall George telling me
they are the same basic switch. On his behalf will you
please put it to one side till I contact him tomorrow, can
it be sent to Antigua?I guess he will ask me your
price and how can he pay you?
Hope you are coping in very
difficult conditions
Patrick &Elaine Caramelle.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mechanical Shaft Seal source for water pumps

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Duane,
I have many rebuilt kit for the Calpeda, but I don’t know the specs.
Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Fri, 11/17/17, sailor63109@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Mechanical Shaft Seal source for water pumps
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 17, 2017, 3:42 PM


 









If anyone has ordering information for the
mechanical shaft seal for the Calpeda air conditioning
seawater pump (B CM 20E), or the AMFA domestic water pump
(Ai 88i), I would appreciate it.
I have email Coastal Climate Control to
see if they have it.
Thanks,DuaneWanderer,
SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick

pjn.mccallin@...
 

Thank you Alexandre, I recall George telling me they are the same basic switch. On his behalf will you please put it to one side till I contact him tomorrow, can it be sent to Antigua?
I guess he will ask me your price and how can he pay you?

Hope you are coping in very difficult conditions

Patrick &Elaine Caramelle.


Mechanical Shaft Seal source for water pumps

Duane Siegfri
 

If anyone has ordering information for the mechanical shaft seal for the Calpeda air conditioning seawater pump (B CM 20E), or the AMFA domestic water pump (Ai 88i), I would appreciate it.


I have email Coastal Climate Control to see if they have it.


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I forgot to mention, I remember Maud (from Amel La Rochelle) telling me it is the same as the joystick of the Windless (which I have also) except for the length of the arm.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Fri, 11/17/17, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 17, 2017, 3:17 PM


 









I just sold my spare Bow Thruster Joystick, but I
purchase it from Amel La Rochelle for 129 Euro.

http://www.nikimat.com/parts_for_sale/amel_bow_thruster.html



Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Fri, 11/17/17, pjn.mccallin@jerseymail.co.uk
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, November 17, 2017, 3:14 PM





 



















Can anyone help please, I am now back

at Jolly Harbour, today I met George the local
electrician.

He looks after a super M on his behalf I am asking if
any

member has replaced the switch, and , if so, do you have
the

makers name and part number. George tells me he has
searched

everywhere he can think of my guess it’s of French

manufacturer. Lots of members have repaired their switch

however in this case the actual stick has broken hence

it’s not a case of cleaning the

contacts.I said I would try the forum

just in case. Thanks Patrick Caramelle.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

I just sold my spare Bow Thruster Joystick, but I purchase it from Amel La Rochelle for 129 Euro.
http://www.nikimat.com/parts_for_sale/amel_bow_thruster.html

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Fri, 11/17/17, pjn.mccallin@jerseymail.co.uk [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, November 17, 2017, 3:14 PM


 









Can anyone help please, I am now back
at Jolly Harbour, today I met George the local electrician.
He looks after a super M on his behalf I am asking if any
member has replaced the switch, and , if so, do you have the
makers name and part number. George tells me he has searched
everywhere he can think of my guess it’s of French
manufacturer. Lots of members have repaired their switch
however in this case the actual stick has broken hence
it’s not a case of cleaning the
contacts.I said I would try the forum
just in case. Thanks Patrick Caramelle.









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Anchor switch / joystick

pjn.mccallin@...
 

Can anyone help please, I am now back at Jolly Harbour, today I met George the local electrician. He looks after a super M on his behalf I am asking if any member has replaced the switch, and , if so, do you have the makers name and part number. George tells me he has searched everywhere he can think of my guess it’s of French manufacturer. Lots of members have repaired their switch however in this case the actual stick has broken hence it’s not a case of cleaning the contacts.

I said I would try the forum just in case. Thanks Patrick Caramelle.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Upwind advice please

Porter McRoberts
 

Love the explorer chart books. And very much agree with this wise advise. 

This will be our 12th Stream crossing in the past 6 months. But tightest weather window. 


Thank you very much!!!

Porter



Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 17, 2017, at 1:03 PM, rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

My recollection (I think it is in the Explorer Chart Pack) is that you steer an S (not exacly) shaped course from the mainland.  First make East as much as you can, then you can ease off your angle as the stream carries you north hen East again when it subsides on the approach. So your plotter may show you heading too far north while you are solidly in the stream but it will improve again as it slows nearer your destination.  Making as much East as you can initially has my vote.  The Explorer Chart Pack is extremely helpful (essential) in cruising the Bahamas BTW.

Bob, KAIMI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacing Sonic Speed Log

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Thanks, Alan. I have been waiting for this report.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

Porter McRoberts
 

Thanks JOEL. Appreciated. 



How does this look?  Doable??

Thank amigo. 
Porter




Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 17, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Joel Potter jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Porter, done that stretch many times. Anything out of the north east will not be comfortable. Save the boom crash sailing until your crew is more seasoned and you do not have other options.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
Office 954-462-5869 

On Nov 17, 2017, at 11:49 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter,


Here is last night's forecast from Chris Parker, the weather guru in this part of the world - check out his website and you can subscribe to his service (that's a free plug for Chris, to make up for inappropriately sharing his info). It does look like there is a motoring window overnight Saturday. And since you will just be a trawler-with-sticky-up-things it won't make much difference if you leave from Lake Worth vs. Ft La-dee-da. Since you're post was marked Ft Lauderdale, just leave from there and save the schlep north to Palm Beach, which will be a nasty ride into that NE wind, anyway.

Since you want to go all the way to the Berry's it seems you'll be at great risk of catching the Sunday afternoon Front while you're still underway. Unless you're on a forced march, you should definitely take Jeff's advice #3 and select the weevil on the right.

Cheers, Craig, SN#68

CROSSING:

Travel not recommended thru Fri17 due to NE winds... W-bound travel gradually improves Sat18 with sailing

N&S ROUTE: NE@15-20g26/7-9' thru overnight; NNE-NE@17-22g28
Sun19 evening-overnight; NE


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Good Morning Porter,
A couple things, (and I'm making some assumptions):
1. It looks like the wind has been blowing out of the northerd  rather freshly , or a little east of north. Considering the strong northerly push of the gulf stream, it's a recipe for a short steep wind swell, from the north.
If the wind on Saturday is on your nose, and you can't sail her, and have to rely on motoring, you will be in for a very uncomfortable run. 
2. In your boat, the question isn't whether you can do it, but how much of a beating you want to take. Personally, an uncomfortable stretch motoring isn't something I enjoy. 
3. If you have the time, (and what's a day in the life of a sailor?), wait for more favorable conditions (or the lesser of 2 weevils...any O'Brien fans out there?)
4. If your friend wants to go, tell him you'll catch up with him. 
Have fun!
Regards,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14



On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 01:26 PM, portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Amelians,

 

We are a 54 heading out likely Saturday or Sunday to cross the gulfstream to the Bahamas.  Forecast is 5-6ft waves period 6-7 sec on Sat. and 3-4 feet period 6-7 on Sunday.  Out of the Northeast to east.  With a dying breeze on Sunday.  Weather and seas essentially on the nose.

 

I write as we have sailed and motored quite a bit upwind over the summer.  It’s hard for me to estimate the exact size of oncoming waves, but the boat slams and it seems were taking green water over the nose with anything around 4 or up.  Unusual? 

 

The boat’s boot-stripe is about 3-4 inches above waterline on the nose, and 1 inch above water line at the aft.  I’ve tried to move as much weight forward, taking off the air compressor, moving dive-tanks to the port lazarette etc, but I can’t get the nose any lower than above.  (The Nance and Underwood riggers think were trim and just that the bootstripe has been painted in such upward fashion.)

 

My question to you guys is how comfortable is the 54 and SM going up weather- and most specifically into the waves?  How should I trim for the best trip?

 

Were crossing with some folks on a new Leopard 45.  (They want to cross Saturday) Who will have the rougher trip given the same (into the seas) conditions?

 

How would an angle from Palm Beach as opposed to Fort Lauderdale change things for a crossing towards the Berrys?  I’d see a shift to the beam for the waves- but current more on the nose.    Any thoughts?  

 

I know the boat will handle most anything, and I’ve sailed a good 5000 miles in the last 6 months, but a lot of downwind, and minimal upwind in heavier seas.  I’d be obliged to know your thoughts!

 

Many thanks—

 

Porter


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

amelforme
 

Porter, done that stretch many times. Anything out of the north east will not be comfortable. Save the boom crash sailing until your crew is more seasoned and you do not have other options.

JOEL F. POTTER
CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST LLC
Office 954-462-5869 

On Nov 17, 2017, at 11:49 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter,


Here is last night's forecast from Chris Parker, the weather guru in this part of the world - check out his website and you can subscribe to his service (that's a free plug for Chris, to make up for inappropriately sharing his info). It does look like there is a motoring window overnight Saturday. And since you will just be a trawler-with-sticky-up-things it won't make much difference if you leave from Lake Worth vs. Ft La-dee-da. Since you're post was marked Ft Lauderdale, just leave from there and save the schlep north to Palm Beach, which will be a nasty ride into that NE wind, anyway.

Since you want to go all the way to the Berry's it seems you'll be at great risk of catching the Sunday afternoon Front while you're still underway. Unless you're on a forced march, you should definitely take Jeff's advice #3 and select the weevil on the right.

Cheers, Craig, SN#68

CROSSING:

Travel not recommended thru Fri17 due to NE winds.. W-bound travel gradually improves Sat18 with sailing

N&S ROUTE: NE@15-20g26/7-9' thru overnight; NNE-NE@17-22g28
Sun19 evening-overnight; NE


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Good Morning Porter,
A couple things, (and I'm making some assumptions):
1. It looks like the wind has been blowing out of the northerd  rather freshly , or a little east of north. Considering the strong northerly push of the gulf stream, it's a recipe for a short steep wind swell, from the north.
If the wind on Saturday is on your nose, and you can't sail her, and have to rely on motoring, you will be in for a very uncomfortable run. 
2. In your boat, the question isn't whether you can do it, but how much of a beating you want to take. Personally, an uncomfortable stretch motoring isn't something I enjoy. 
3. If you have the time, (and what's a day in the life of a sailor?), wait for more favorable conditions (or the lesser of 2 weevils...any O'Brien fans out there?)
4. If your friend wants to go, tell him you'll catch up with him. 
Have fun!
Regards,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14



On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 01:26 PM, portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Amelians,

 

We are a 54 heading out likely Saturday or Sunday to cross the gulfstream to the Bahamas.  Forecast is 5-6ft waves period 6-7 sec on Sat. and 3-4 feet period 6-7 on Sunday.  Out of the Northeast to east.  With a dying breeze on Sunday.  Weather and seas essentially on the nose.

 

I write as we have sailed and motored quite a bit upwind over the summer.  It’s hard for me to estimate the exact size of oncoming waves, but the boat slams and it seems were taking green water over the nose with anything around 4 or up.  Unusual? 

 

The boat’s boot-stripe is about 3-4 inches above waterline on the nose, and 1 inch above water line at the aft.  I’ve tried to move as much weight forward, taking off the air compressor, moving dive-tanks to the port lazarette etc, but I can’t get the nose any lower than above.  (The Nance and Underwood riggers think were trim and just that the bootstripe has been painted in such upward fashion.)

 

My question to you guys is how comfortable is the 54 and SM going up weather- and most specifically into the waves?  How should I trim for the best trip?

 

Were crossing with some folks on a new Leopard 45.  (They want to cross Saturday) Who will have the rougher trip given the same (into the seas) conditions?

 

How would an angle from Palm Beach as opposed to Fort Lauderdale change things for a crossing towards the Berrys?  I’d see a shift to the beam for the waves- but current more on the nose.    Any thoughts?  

 

I know the boat will handle most anything, and I’ve sailed a good 5000 miles in the last 6 months, but a lot of downwind, and minimal upwind in heavier seas.  I’d be obliged to know your thoughts!

 

Many thanks—

 

Porter


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

Sv Garulfo
 

Bill, 

I was surprised by your correction as a french "hale-bas" is typically a down-line, for instance the vang of the boom. Thus I believe Amel are incorrect in calling that line a "hale-bas", and you are right to call it an aft line. "Retenue arrière", as used in the description of the pole setup in the user manual, would have been more appropriate. 

We'll upload the file with both corrections for that item in the list. 


Regards,
Thomas 

Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Arrecife, Lanzarote, Canary Islands, Spain 

On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 at 13:21, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Soraya,
​ et al​

It was a collaborative effort
​ and without you, it would have never been finished. Thank you so very much...you are GREAT. There is one more correction I see that is needed: "
hale bas de tangon
​" is the "
Pole aft line
​​."


Maybe we should tell every 54 owner that Amel accidentally left the 54 "pole up-guys" off of the official running rigging list. It might be because it appears to me that Amel rigged 3 different downwind pole configurations during the production of the 54.

Jeffery, Porter, & Courtney: You should download this
​Excel file
 from the Yahoo Amel Owners Group
​ (noting the change above)​
, or you can download it from Client Access at amelschool.com

​Best,​


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On Nov 17, 2017 03:51, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thanks to Bill R for validating the translations!


On Wed, 15 Nov 2017 at 12:39, Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

That’s very useful Thomas. Very Appreciated. 

Porter
Ibis-54-152


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Re: Replacing Sonic Speed Log

Alan Leslie
 

So, finally we are back in the water with the new CS4500 Airmar Ultrasonic speed sensor installed in a new hole beside the depth xdcr, wired to the Hydra 2000 and it works perfectly, plus we also have sea temperature now. 
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Upwind advice please

rossirossix4
 

My recollection (I think it is in the Explorer Chart Pack) is that you steer an S (not exacly) shaped course from the mainland.  First make East as much as you can, then you can ease off your angle as the stream carries you north hen East again when it subsides on the approach. So your plotter may show you heading too far north while you are solidly in the stream but it will improve again as it slows nearer your destination.  Making as much East as you can initially has my vote.  The Explorer Chart Pack is extremely helpful (essential) in cruising the Bahamas BTW.
Bob, KAIMI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Porter,

wind against tide or current can produce very short steep seas. I have encountered them at times in Ocean Pearl and in previous boats. Gong into those seas either hard on the wind or tight reaching inevitably causes crashing, horrible repetitive crashing. Exacerbated by the Amels speed, as she thrusts up off one wave and lands hard on the next. I reduce sail and slow down until the crashing stops,down to 2 or 3 knots. Alternatively bear away to a wider angle, again until the crashing stops. (or a bit of both) I have no desire to break my boat. This is called seamanship. 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 17 November 2017 at 07:26 "portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hello Amelians,

 

We are a 54 heading out likely Saturday or Sunday to cross the gulfstream to the Bahamas.  Forecast is 5-6ft waves period 6-7 sec on Sat. and 3-4 feet period 6-7 on Sunday.  Out of the Northeast to east.  With a dying breeze on Sunday.  Weather and seas essentially on the nose.

 

I write as we have sailed and motored quite a bit upwind over the summer.  It’s hard for me to estimate the exact size of oncoming waves, but the boat slams and it seems were taking green water over the nose with anything around 4 or up.  Unusual? 

 

The boat’s boot-stripe is about 3-4 inches above waterline on the nose, and 1 inch above water line at the aft.  I’ve tried to move as much weight forward, taking off the air compressor, moving dive-tanks to the port lazarette etc, but I can’t get the nose any lower than above.  (The Nance and Underwood riggers think were trim and just that the bootstripe has been painted in such upward fashion.)

 

My question to you guys is how comfortable is the 54 and SM going up weather- and most specifically into the waves?  How should I trim for the best trip?

 

Were crossing with some folks on a new Leopard 45.  (They want to cross Saturday) Who will have the rougher trip given the same (into the seas) conditions?

 

How would an angle from Palm Beach as opposed to Fort Lauderdale change things for a crossing towards the Berrys?  I’d see a shift to the beam for the waves- but current more on the nose.    Any thoughts?  

 

I know the boat will handle most anything, and I’ve sailed a good 5000 miles in the last 6 months, but a lot of downwind, and minimal upwind in heavier seas.  I’d be obliged to know your thoughts!

 

Many thanks—

 

Porter


 

Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder drainage

James Alton
 

Joel,

Joel, 

  The hole on the top of my rudder is on the top horizontal face perhaps a couple inches aft of where the rudder post exits.  The hole appears to be about the same size as the one on the bottom of the rudder.  I assume that the top hole must have been done by the factory since there is no evidence that the rudder has ever been removed and I cannot imagine accessing this area to drill a hole otherwise.   I first became aware of the hole when lying in the aft bunk with the boat pitching a bit and hearing a bubbling noise.    From the dock I could see the bubbles coming out of the top hole as the rudder submerged.  (grin)  It is almost impossible to see from the top of the rudder and the hole on my boat since the rudder to hull clearance is so close.   I really like the vented rudder concept as opposed to the more common practice of using a foam core.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 17, 2017, at 12:56 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James,
Where is the hole on the top? I haven't found one.

Joel,
Did all the rudders have both bottom and top holes?  It does make sense to allow better flow.

Best,
Craig SN#68

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Graham,

   Joel and Bill have answered your question and I concur that my Maramu has a drain hole at the bottom of the rudder as well.  I would only add that on my Maramu that after hauling the boat, I fill and drain the inside of the rudder with fresh water a couple of ti mes to try and remove most of the salt.  I am careful to insure that the air vent in the top of the rudder is open so that the rudder does not develop internal pressure from filling the rudder with freshwater.   My thoughts are that it is always best to remove salt where possible before storing a boat and thanks to the unique Amel rudder design this is one more place that can be rinsed.   I am curious if other Amel owners do this?

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 17, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

I've noticed that on each occasion recently that we have hauled our ou r
Maramu, water has drained from the bottom of the rudder for a few minutes. 

Is this a designed-in feature or do I have a problem?

Kind regards

Graham
SV Jamesby
Maramu #240





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

Porter McRoberts
 

Craig. Thank you brother!  Cemented the decision. 
Porter

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 17, 2017, at 11:49 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Porter,


Here is last night's forecast from Chris Parker, the weather guru in this part of the world - check out his website and you can subscribe to his service (that's a free plug for Chris, to make up for inappropriately sharing his info). It does look like there is a motoring window overnight Saturday. And since you will just be a trawler-with-sticky-up-things it won't make much difference if you leave from Lake Worth vs. Ft La-dee-da. Since you're post was marked Ft Lauderdale, just leave from there and save the schlep north to Palm Beach, which will be a nasty ride into that NE wind, anyway.

Since you want to go all the way to the Berry's it seems you'll be at great risk of catching the Sunday afternoon Front while you're still underway. Unless you're on a forced march, you should definitely take Jeff's advice #3 and select the weevil on the right.

Cheers, Craig, SN#68

CROSSING:

Travel not recommended thru Fri17 due to NE winds.. W-bound travel gradually improves Sat18 with sailing

N&S ROUTE: NE@15-20g26/7-9' thru overnight; NNE-NE@17-22g28
Sun19 evening-overnight; NE


---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Good Morning Porter,
A couple things, (and I'm making some assumptions):
1. It looks like the wind has been blowing out of the northerd  rather freshly , or a little east of north. Considering the strong northerly push of the gulf stream, it's a recipe for a short steep wind swell, from the north.
If the wind on Saturday is on your nose, and you can't sail her, and have to rely on motoring, you will be in for a very uncomfortable run. 
2. In your boat, the question isn't whether you can do it, but how much of a beating you want to take. Personally, an uncomfortable stretch motoring isn't something I enjoy. 
3. If you have the time, (and what's a day in the life of a sailor?), wait for more favorable conditions (or the lesser of 2 weevils...any O'Brien fans out there?)
4. If your friend wants to go, tell him you'll catch up with him. 
Have fun!
Regards,
Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14



On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 01:26 PM, portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Hello Amelians,

 

We are a 54 heading out likely Saturday or Sunday to cross the gulfstream to the Bahamas.  Forecast is 5-6ft waves period 6-7 sec on Sat. and 3-4 feet period 6-7 on Sunday.  Out of the Northeast to east.  With a dying breeze on Sunday.  Weather and seas essentially on the nose.

 

I write as we have sailed and motored quite a bit upwind over the summer.  It’s hard for me to estimate the exact size of oncoming waves, but the boat slams and it seems were taking green water over the nose with anything around 4 or up.  Unusual? 

 

The boat’s boot-stripe is about 3-4 inches above waterline on the nose, and 1 inch above water line at the aft.  I’ve tried to move as much weight forward, taking off the air compressor, moving dive-tanks to the port lazarette etc, but I can’t get the nose any lower than above.  (The Nance and Underwood riggers think were trim and just that the bootstripe has been painted in such upward fashion.)

 

My question to you guys is how comfortable is the 54 and SM going up weather- and most specifically into the waves?  How should I trim for the best trip?

 

Were crossing with some folks on a new Leopard 45.  (They want to cross Saturday) Who will have the rougher trip given the same (into the seas) conditions?

 

How would an angle from Palm Beach as opposed to Fort Lauderdale change things for a crossing towards the Berrys?  I’d see a shift to the beam for the waves- but current more on the nose.    Any thoughts?  

 

I know the boat will handle most anything, and I’ve sailed a good 5000 miles in the last 6 months, but a lot of downwind, and minimal upwind in heavier seas.  I’d be obliged to know your thoughts!

 

Many thanks—

 

Porter


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

Porter McRoberts
 

Thank you guys very much!  
Some great advice. I think we’ll leave late Saturday.   10 hours to the banks. 
Then another 12 across the banks to southern Berry’s. 

Really appreciate the thoughts and kind advice 

Porter

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 

On Nov 17, 2017, at 10:37 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello Porter;
 
Our 54 handles waves on the bow well. However, she has to have enough momentum to punch through the waves and not hobby horse on the waves.
 
In order to have enough momentum, our approach is to fall off the wind enough so we are in a close haul, sheet in the main,genoa and Mizzen and motor sail. If necessary, we sometimes move the main and mizzen travelers to windward to allow us to better point into the wind. The slight heel and power from the sails on this point of sail in combination with the thrust of the engine provides sufficient momentum to punch through most seas. We adjust the engine RPMs and how far off the wind we motor sail by the motion of the bow. If we start feeling the bow is having too much of a vertical up/down motion we increase RPMs and/or fall off the wind for more power and heel. In general if you can get her to heel 5 degrees or more, she settles in and punches through. We have found that adding the staysail to this sail combination, given sufficient wind, allows us to better point upwind as well.
 
I do agree with others that waiting for a better weather window would be our first choice.
 
Respectfully;
Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099
 


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Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Upwind advice please

 

Hello Amelians,

 

We are a 54 heading out likely Saturday or Sunday to cross the gulfstream to the Bahamas.  Forecast is 5-6ft waves period 6-7 sec on Sat. and 3-4 feet period 6-7 on Sunday.  Out of the Northeast to east.  With a dying breeze on Sunday.  Weather and seas essentially on the nose.

 

I write as we have sailed and motored quite a bit upwind over the summer.  It’s hard for me to estimate the exact size of oncoming waves, but the boat slams and it seems were taking green water over the nose with anything around 4 or up.  Unusual? 

 

The boat’s boot-stripe is about 3-4 inches above waterline on the nose, and 1 inch above water line at the aft.  I’ve tried to move as much weight forward, taking off the air compressor, moving dive-tanks to the port lazarette etc, but I can’t get the nose any lower than above.  (The Nance and Underwood riggers think were trim and just that the bootstripe has been painted in such upward fashion.)

 

My question to you guys is how comfortable is the 54 and SM going up weather- and most specifically into the waves?  How should I trim for the best trip?

 

Were crossing with some folks on a new Leopard 45.  (They want to cross Saturday) Who will have the rougher trip given the same (into the seas) conditions?

 

How would an angle from Palm Beach as opposed to Fort Lauderdale change things for a crossing towards the Berrys?  I’d see a shift to the beam for the waves- but current more on the nose.    Any thoughts?  

 

I know the boat will handle most anything, and I’ve sailed a good 5000 miles in the last 6 months, but a lot of downwind, and minimal upwind in heavier seas.  I’d be obliged to know your thoughts!

 

Many thanks—

 

Porter


Porter McRoberts
S/V Ibis: Amel 54-#152
Ft. Lauderdale
www.fouribis.com
portermcroberts@...