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Re: 175 Amp Leece-Neville Alternator on Yanmar

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Duane,
There are two types of these connectors - one with just a screw and one that also has a stainless steel wire protector tab.  The set screw compresses the tab onto the wire and prevents damage to the strands. I vaguely recall that is the only type approved by ABYC, but, regardless, they are only a little more costly and will save you much grief.  Available at any chandlery, and they usually carry both versions, so check closely.
Cheers,
Craig, SN#68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailor63109@...> wrote :

I found the problem!  There was a plastic connector (the type with set screws that clamp on the wire) that had fatigued and broken.  Wasn't obvious until I unwrapped the black electrical tape that held the wire in bundles.  I replaced it with proper crimp connectors.

I don't think this type of screw/clamp connector is correct for stranded wire. I believe it's made for solid conductors.  When the screw binds down onto the stranded wire it must damage them and provides a sharp place for the wire to fatigue against.

Duane

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] B&G 213 Masthead Unit - Parts Needed

karkauai
 

Hi Bill.  I was able to get a new wind speed bearing from Defender.  They had all parts listed for the mast top unit on Kristy.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What to do with the hole...

karkauai
 

OK, thanks Herbert.  I had just discovered your method of stopping the sound in the forward head a few days ago.  My guests are much happier.
Kent


B&G 213 Masthead Unit - Parts Needed

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

A few days ago the wind vane and some parts on the B&G masthead unit flew away in some strong gusts. The nut that secures all of these parts apparently came loose and they blew off. The needed parts are all parts that fit on and above the direction sensor, with the main components being the wind vane and a protective cup for the sensor, along with some washers and a nut. Buying just the wind vane is easy, but finding the other parts is difficult.

Does any owner have a non-working B&G masthead unit that they will sell for parts?

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

Re: What to do with the hole...

Herbert Lackner
 

Kent,  we have also the noise from the greywater sink in the foreward head, but only when motoring at a certain RPM. When we got the boat I was looking for a pump that „runs dry“ but could of course not find one…, then we found out that it is just a special frequency that starts the noise,  small amount of water stops it immediately...

 

The P79 sound is not very loud, at the beginning I could hardly hear it. But is is like this drop of water that falls on the head every minute – when you start to hear it you are waiting for the next tick and that drives me crazy J

It gets louder when in deep water (frequency change) and more silent in shallow waters.  There is absolutely no sound from the two echo sounders that I have in „Through hulls“, the B&G and the DST800 that I use. 

 

Unfortunately there is no switch for turning the P79 on or off and it is stated in the documentation that it must not be disconnected/connected from the plotter when the plotter is powered on – so diconneting/connecting requires plotter Off/On.  That is the reason why I disconnected it and have it only as a redundancy system (number 3 J ).  But maybe I find a way to isolate it then I will leave  it on and watch the fishfinder Screen until a fish pops up

 

Herbert

KALI MERA, SN120, still on the hard in Trinidad but in the water again in two weeks

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Vladimir--Alas we are shore bound until the end of February so will not see the boat until then.   Ian


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 15 November 2016 20:30:17
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash
 

Ian,

Thanks a lot.
Whenever you have chance please send me a picture.

My email: sonsev52 at gmail dot com

Vladimir
SM 345


On Nov 15, 2016 3:47 AM, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vladimir,
                     I put it a few inches forward of the anchor winch, dead centre. The deck is really thick at that point. It looks as though it was installed at the factory, really neat.

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres


On 14 Nov 2016, at 20:44, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ian,

Please let me know precise location of your wash down deck connecter. Obviously it is very important to make it right the first time.

Vladimir
202 258 1916


On Nov 14, 2016 14:20, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Vlad and Ric,


We fitted the stainless flush deck hose connector after we saw it on another SM. Very neat. Means that you can connect a hose without having to open the port bow locker. We also fitted a more powerful sea water pump than the Amel version. The combination works very well.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres


From: amelyachtowners@...m <amelyachtowners@...om> on behalf of Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om>
Sent: 14 November 2016 17:23:08
To: amelyachtowners@...m
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash
 
I found that Johnson (not perko) makes a stainless flush deck hose connector that connects under full pressure with a bayonet. Has a rotating cover. Donovan marine sells it. Putting on my Santa list
SN 24 BaliHai

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc

On Nov 14, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Hi Vlad,
Yes, the locker has to be open or the hose gets pinched.  It's not ideal, but no new hole in the deck.  I don't use the original washdown nozzle at the bow roller at all.  When single handing I tie the nozzle on the rail while I go to the cockpit to turn the pump on.  It's a powerful jet that is like a big spitting snake when loose on the deck.

Once an inexperienced crew accidentally turned the pump on when cleaning by the helm.  By the time I discovered it, the bow lockers were almost full of sea water!  But the boat was on the waterline for the first time ever!

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

karkauai
 

Hi James,
I have an SM, so not entirely the same...but here is my experience.

When I purchased Kristy 8 years ago, the sails had been discarded.  I was starting with a clean slate, but didn't know very much.  She's my first sailboat.

I knew that the original set of sails included a 150% genoa, but allowed myself to be talked down to a 135% by a sailmaker in Kemah, Texas.  He said that I wouldn't have good sail shape by the time I reefed to 15-18 kts of wind.  He may have been right, but as light winds are more of a problem than too much wind, I regret not having the 150.  In addition, the 135 is cut with the clew 1.2 meters above the safety rail.  This further reduces my sail area in light air.  If I were to do it again, I would have a 150 with the foot just above the safety rail. (Assuming that it would still work well with the downwind pole.)

I also have a 110 Genoa with a high cut clew, almost a Yankee.  It is my go-to sail in the Eastern Caribbean during the winter months when the trades blow 20-25 kts all the time.

The main and mizzen have short vertical battens that have never been a problem.  You just have to keep the boom at 90 degrees to the mast when furling in or out.  Watch the battens as they enter the mast, they should enter all at once, not at any angle.

My sails are 8 years old and still look very good.  They are Dacron with Spectra and I was told they should last 12-15 years.  They aren't racing sails, but they do what I want them to do very well.

If I am still sailing when my current sails need replacing, I don't think I'd change anything except that I'd go with the 150 genoa.

I have a spinnaker that came with the boat, but I've never used it.  Anyone interested?  Pay for shipping and you can have it.  I love the double pole rig for downwind sailing.

I also have a Gale Sail that straps around the furled headsail. I put it up once but have never actually used it to sail with....I try to stay out of those conditions.  I've been in 35-40 kts a couple of times, both times with the 110 Yankee up. She did great jib and jigger with the 110 furled about 20% and the mizzen at the spreader.

Don't know if that helps you at all, just recounting my experience.  I don't really have anything to compare it to.

Steady as she goes.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243

New sails

James Alton
 

Hello,

   It is time for a new set of working sails for Sueno and I was hoping to get some input on what seems to work out the best.  I am considering the tri-radial hydranet for the cloth but open to other options.  I am undecided about whether to add battens to the main and mizzen.  I note that some are now using the short vertical battens to straighten the leech and in some cases full length battens to allow a bit of roach in the main and mizzen.  While the additional sail area is certainly interesting to me, I am concerned about the possibility of a batten getting jammed in the spar on some dark night with the wind rising...  It would be great to hear from others to see how battens worked out..or not.  Another decision that I trying to make is what to do about the foredeck sail(s).  I know that my large genoa does not set well when reefed deeply and is prone to being stretched.  Would it be good to have a working jib to 110 with a foam luff for this usage?  If so should I also have a normal sized Genoa?  It would be a big help to hear about what light air sails seem to work well on the Amel.  Has anyone installed a code 0 and if so how did that work out?


Thanks for any input.


James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

Arbatax,  Italy

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Maramu bow thruster service.

James Alton
 

Alexandre,

  I agree with what you, there are certainly others such as the ones on your list that also deserve credit for their many contributions.  

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 15, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning James, 
I really appreciate the kind message, but unfortunately I am far from being an expert….  
All I did was to illustrate what Gary Silver wrote with annotation from Bill Rouse. 
The credit should go to them, they are major contributors on this forum, as well as Olivier, Joel, etc.  

I am personally very happy my illustration is being use and will continue to make some.

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 11/14/16, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Maramu bow thruster service.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, November 14, 2016, 6:18 PM


 









Hello,
   Alexandre, one of the
experts on this forum created  beautifully detailed
instructions on how to rebuild the bow thruster.  These
instructions at the link below also show how you can replace
your seals with the boat still in the water.
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html
James AltonSV, Sueno,  Maramu
#220Arbatax,
 Italy
On Nov 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, sail2live@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
The large upper seal on our
Maramu thruster does not appear removable from above, I.e.
from inside the boat.  Has anyone replaced the thruster
seals on a maramu while the boat is in the water?
Out boat is a 1987
Maramu, currently in Ft Lauderdale.













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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Ian,

Thanks a lot.
Whenever you have chance please send me a picture.

My email: sonsev52 at gmail dot com

Vladimir
SM 345


On Nov 15, 2016 3:47 AM, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vladimir,
                     I put it a few inches forward of the anchor winch, dead centre. The deck is really thick at that point. It looks as though it was installed at the factory, really neat.

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres


On 14 Nov 2016, at 20:44, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ian,

Please let me know precise location of your wash down deck connecter. Obviously it is very important to make it right the first time.

Vladimir
202 258 1916


On Nov 14, 2016 14:20, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Vlad and Ric,


We fitted the stainless flush deck hose connector after we saw it on another SM. Very neat. Means that you can connect a hose without having to open the port bow locker. We also fitted a more powerful sea water pump than the Amel version. The combination works very well.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres


From: amelyachtowners@...m <amelyachtowners@...om> on behalf of Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om>
Sent: 14 November 2016 17:23:08
To: amelyachtowners@...m
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash
 
I found that Johnson (not perko) makes a stainless flush deck hose connector that connects under full pressure with a bayonet. Has a rotating cover. Donovan marine sells it. Putting on my Santa list
SN 24 BaliHai

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc

On Nov 14, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

Hi Vlad,
Yes, the locker has to be open or the hose gets pinched.  It's not ideal, but no new hole in the deck.  I don't use the original washdown nozzle at the bow roller at all.  When single handing I tie the nozzle on the rail while I go to the cockpit to turn the pump on.  It's a powerful jet that is like a big spitting snake when loose on the deck.

Once an inexperienced crew accidentally turned the pump on when cleaning by the helm.  By the time I discovered it, the bow lockers were almost full of sea water!  But the boat was on the waterline for the first time ever!

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243


Re: 175 Amp Leece-Neville Alternator on Yanmar

Duane Siegfri
 

I found the problem!  There was a plastic connector (the type with set screws that clamp on the wire) that had fatigued and broken.  Wasn't obvious until I unwrapped the black electrical tape that held the wire in bundles.  I replaced it with proper crimp connectors.

I don't think this type of screw/clamp connector is correct for stranded wire. I believe it's made for solid conductors.  When the screw binds down onto the stranded wire it must damage them and provides a sharp place for the wire to fatigue against.

Duane

Re: 175 Amp Leece-Neville Alternator on Yanmar

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Hello Duane,

I never heard of the dangers of trying to kill the engine via key as opposed to button.  While we're doing it less and less as time goes by, we most recently did it two days ago, and we've certainly done it 50 times or more in the last 4 years.

With regard to boiling off batteries with the chargers, this should only happen if one or more of the chargers is damaged or set incorrectly.  For years we used to leave both chargers on at all times, with no ill effects at all.   

We still activate both chargers at the same time for limited time periods.

Cheerio,

Peregrinus
SM2K N° 350
Venice

175 Amp Leece-Neville Alternator on Yanmar

Duane Siegfri
 

The 175 amp alternator is not charging the house battery bank, based on the Xantrex Battery Monitor (no change in amps in/out with engine).  We experienced this on motoring from Fernandina Beach to Jacksonville, FL.


I'm not much of a mechanic, I would appreciate someone pointing me in the direction of the most likely faults and what I could do about them.


In July we cooked the battery bank, I believe by having both chargers on at the same time for an extended period (by mistake...).  Could this have caused a problem for the 175 amp Alternator?


We also (again by mistake...) tried to shut the engine down with the key rather than the red button.  I've heard this can blow the diodes in the alternator.


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Maramu bow thruster service.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning James,
I really appreciate the kind message, but unfortunately I am far from being an expert….
All I did was to illustrate what Gary Silver wrote with annotation from Bill Rouse.
The credit should go to them, they are major contributors on this forum, as well as Olivier, Joel, etc.

I am personally very happy my illustration is being use and will continue to make some.

Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 11/14/16, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Maramu bow thruster service.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, November 14, 2016, 6:18 PM


 









Hello,
   Alexandre, one of the
experts on this forum created  beautifully detailed
instructions on how to rebuild the bow thruster.  These
instructions at the link below also show how you can replace
your seals with the boat still in the water.
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html
James AltonSV, Sueno,  Maramu
#220Arbatax,
 Italy
On Nov 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, sail2live@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
The large upper seal on our
Maramu thruster does not appear removable from above, I.e.
from inside the boat.  Has anyone replaced the thruster
seals on a maramu while the boat is in the water?
Out boat is a 1987
Maramu, currently in Ft Lauderdale.













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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Vladimir,
                     I put it a few inches forward of the anchor winch, dead centre. The deck is really thick at that point. It looks as though it was installed at the factory, really neat.

Ian and Judy , Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres


On 14 Nov 2016, at 20:44, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Ian,

Please let me know precise location of your wash down deck connecter. Obviously it is very important to make it right the first time.

Vladimir
202 258 1916


On Nov 14, 2016 14:20, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vlad and Ric,


We fitted the stainless flush deck hose connector after we saw it on another SM. Very neat. Means that you can connect a hose without having to open the port bow locker. We also fitted a more powerful sea water pump than the Amel version. The combination works very well.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres


From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 14 November 2016 17:23:08
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash
 
I found that Johnson (not perko) makes a stainless flush deck hose connector that connects under full pressure with a bayonet. Has a rotating cover. Donovan marine sells it. Putting on my Santa list
SN 24 BaliHai

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc

On Nov 14, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi Vlad,
Yes, the locker has to be open or the hose gets pinched.  It's not ideal, but no new hole in the deck.  I don't use the original washdown nozzle at the bow roller at all.  When single handing I tie the nozzle on the rail while I go to the cockpit to turn the pump on.  It's a powerful jet that is like a big spitting snake when loose on the deck.

Once an inexperienced crew accidentally turned the pump on when cleaning by the helm.  By the time I discovered it, the bow lockers were almost full of sea water!  But the boat was on the waterline for the first time ever!

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] anchor chain wash

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Jean-Pierre,

Thanks, but it is expencive for me to use fresh water for washing anchor chain.

Sorry, but I don't remember if you told me that you found a supplier for Multifunctional knob for Raymarine chartplotter  C90/W?

Vladimir
SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"
202 258 1916

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Maramu bow thruster service.

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

I guess you can following the procedure to service the bow thruster whilst at sea (in port or riding at Anchor, calm water only).
if the lower-inner seal has not been glued (conntact cement)to to the hull, lift by hand to bottom of motor; otherwise cut off, clean & remove -replace by temporary seal cut off from old cushions
position the collar as indicated in procedure (allow unit to b lowered halfway to disengage motor
position foam (cut to size around base of shaft (to rest & support weight without damage to hull)
lower unit to rest position, unscrew motor & lift motor to separate from shaft ...
replace upper seal & reposition motor ...

However, seems best & more secure to replace both seals during dry dock, safely on the dry, as ingress of water (if any) will be due mostly to lower-outer seal condition.
Meanwhile, cut off foam seal & remove, cut neoprene seal to size; slit & fit around base & add foam on top to soften weight when lowered.

I have been struggling with poorly maintained thruster this spring, & concur with the 'Word' : preventive maintenance on regular basis - no shortcuts with our boats.

fair winds

christian Alby, Maramu #168 Désirade VIII - Canet S/France



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De : "sail2live@... [amelyachtowners]"
À : amelyachtowners@...
Envoyé le : Lundi 14 novembre 2016 21h31
Objet : [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Maramu bow thruster service.

 
The large upper seal on our Maramu thruster does not appear removable from above, I.e. from inside the boat.  Has anyone replaced the thruster seals on a maramu while the boat is in the water?
Out boat is a 1987 Maramu, currently in Ft Lauderdale.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Maramu bow thruster service.

James Alton
 

Hello,

   Alexandre, one of the experts on this forum created  beautifully detailed instructions on how to rebuild the bow thruster.  These instructions at the link below also show how you can replace your seals with the boat still in the water.


James Alton
SV, Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 14, 2016, at 4:31 PM, sail2live@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

The large upper seal on our Maramu thruster does not appear removable from above, I.e. from inside the boat.  Has anyone replaced the thruster seals on a maramu while the boat is in the water?
Out boat is a 1987 Maramu, currently in Ft Lauderdale.




Re: Amel Maramu bow thruster service.

James Alton
 

Hello,

   There are three seals for the bow thruster on my 1987 Maramu.  2 - foam seals that seat between the thruster foot and the bottom of the cavity that the thruster retracts into.  Then there are 2 large O rings set into grooves that are only visible once the bow thruster is removed.  On top of the inside of the hull is 1 foam seal that is compressed when the BT is in the down position.  To replace any of the seals, you will need to remove the foot of the bow thruster.  

   It would help if you would post your name, vessel name, type and hull number.

Best,

James
SV,  Sueno,  Maramu #220

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] anchor chain wash

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Vladimir,

I went about the problem differently; installed a connection from the forward heads to the anchor wash line.  Fresh water anchor wash.

Also installed a fresh water wash system in the port lazarette.  Long hose and you wash the entire boat with fresh H2O…

Cheers,

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera SM007
Lanzarote


On 14 Nov 2016, at 13:30, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Now I sail in Chesapeake Bay and most of my anchoring is in the mud. Anchor wash on my SM 2000 is useless. I belive that real solution is installation of deck wash connection on the bow. I plan redirect chain wash to a deck wash connector. It can be used for salt water boat wash or shower aswell. You don't need high water pressure if you use hose for anchor or chain wash.

I seriously contemplate flat through deck installation of  deck wash fitting. I see on line flat deck wash connectors are made by Johnson Pump or by Jubsco.

Did anybody install deck wash connector fitting on Amel SM?

Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"


On Nov 7, 2016 11:37 PM, "'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Patrick,

 

Thank you (and thank the others who have kindly responded to my call for help).  I think that I see how it goes.  The copper pipe is embedded in the fiberglass.  The yard is going to lay up the new fiberglass around a copper pipe as it used to be.   The higher pressure pump that you and others have suggested is a good idea and I may do someday.  For now, I (and the insurance company) will settle for putting it back like it was.  

 

Regards,

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm216  in a shed in Portsmouth, RI




Jean-Pierre Germain,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...