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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Ian,

Please let me know precise location of your wash down deck connecter. Obviously it is very important to make it right the first time.

Vladimir
202 258 1916


On Nov 14, 2016 14:20, "Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Vlad and Ric,


We fitted the stainless flush deck hose connector after we saw it on another SM. Very neat. Means that you can connect a hose without having to open the port bow locker. We also fitted a more powerful sea water pump than the Amel version. The combination works very well.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres


From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 14 November 2016 17:23:08
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash
 
I found that Johnson (not perko) makes a stainless flush deck hose connector that connects under full pressure with a bayonet. Has a rotating cover. Donovan marine sells it. Putting on my Santa list
SN 24 BaliHai

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc

On Nov 14, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi Vlad,
Yes, the locker has to be open or the hose gets pinched.  It's not ideal, but no new hole in the deck.  I don't use the original washdown nozzle at the bow roller at all.  When single handing I tie the nozzle on the rail while I go to the cockpit to turn the pump on.  It's a powerful jet that is like a big spitting snake when loose on the deck.

Once an inexperienced crew accidentally turned the pump on when cleaning by the helm.  By the time I discovered it, the bow lockers were almost full of sea water!  But the boat was on the waterline for the first time ever!

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

Amel Maramu bow thruster service.

curtepp
 

The large upper seal on our Maramu thruster does not appear removable from above, I.e. from inside the boat.  Has anyone replaced the thruster seals on a maramu while the boat is in the water?
Out boat is a 1987 Maramu, currently in Ft Lauderdale.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Vlad and Ric,


We fitted the stainless flush deck hose connector after we saw it on another SM. Very neat. Means that you can connect a hose without having to open the port bow locker. We also fitted a more powerful sea water pump than the Amel version. The combination works very well.


 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Hyeres


From: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: 14 November 2016 17:23:08
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash
 
I found that Johnson (not perko) makes a stainless flush deck hose connector that connects under full pressure with a bayonet. Has a rotating cover. Donovan marine sells it. Putting on my Santa list
SN 24 BaliHai

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Nov 14, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Vlad,
Yes, the locker has to be open or the hose gets pinched.  It's not ideal, but no new hole in the deck.  I don't use the original washdown nozzle at the bow roller at all.  When single handing I tie the nozzle on the rail while I go to the cockpit to turn the pump on.  It's a powerful jet that is like a big spitting snake when loose on the deck.

Once an inexperienced crew accidentally turned the pump on when cleaning by the helm.  By the time I discovered it, the bow lockers were almost full of sea water!  But the boat was on the waterline for the first time ever!

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

I found that Johnson (not perko) makes a stainless flush deck hose connector that connects under full pressure with a bayonet. Has a rotating cover. Donovan marine sells it. Putting on my Santa list
SN 24 BaliHai

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Nov 14, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Vlad,
Yes, the locker has to be open or the hose gets pinched.  It's not ideal, but no new hole in the deck.  I don't use the original washdown nozzle at the bow roller at all.  When single handing I tie the nozzle on the rail while I go to the cockpit to turn the pump on.  It's a powerful jet that is like a big spitting snake when loose on the deck.

Once an inexperienced crew accidentally turned the pump on when cleaning by the helm.  By the time I discovered it, the bow lockers were almost full of sea water!  But the boat was on the waterline for the first time ever!

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash

karkauai
 

Hi Vlad,
Yes, the locker has to be open or the hose gets pinched.  It's not ideal, but no new hole in the deck.  I don't use the original washdown nozzle at the bow roller at all.  When single handing I tie the nozzle on the rail while I go to the cockpit to turn the pump on.  It's a powerful jet that is like a big spitting snake when loose on the deck.

Once an inexperienced crew accidentally turned the pump on when cleaning by the helm.  By the time I discovered it, the bow lockers were almost full of sea water!  But the boat was on the waterline for the first time ever!

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Kent,

Thanks. Do you have to keep port locker partially open when you use washdown hose? Is your hose connection in the locker? Do you shot off water to the original anchor wash outlet?
I am reluctant to make a hole in the deck for washdown connector but I have to make good  improvement.

VLADIMIR
SM 345
202 258 1916


On Nov 14, 2016 11:17 AM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hola Vlad,
I installed a "Y" connector in the hose in the port bow locker.  A 12 ft (3m) hose is kept in the locker and works well with the high pressure anchor wash pump for getting mud off of the chain before it gets on the boat.  I think you will want to use a high pressure pump to clean the chain and anchor.  Low pressure won't be useful for that.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash

karkauai
 

Hola Vlad,
I installed a "Y" connector in the hose in the port bow locker.  A 12 ft (3m) hose is kept in the locker and works well with the high pressure anchor wash pump for getting mud off of the chain before it gets on the boat.  I think you will want to use a high pressure pump to clean the chain and anchor.  Low pressure won't be useful for that.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243

Re: Help - 5-Year Plan

devaxmangor@...
 

Thank you Dennis.

I'll be looking at the USPS offerings. Always thought that was for motorboats but makes sense that many things would be useful to both.

Cheers,

Rick Gutierrez

Re: Help - 5-Year Plan

devaxmangor@...
 

Wow! Alexandre, thank you so much for all the links. I will be downloading them all to my iPad and reading through them.

Take care,

Rick Gutierrez

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash

Ric Gottschalk <ric@...>
 

I recently saw a perko flush deck hose connector on a power boat. The hose snaps in like a typical quick connect hose. The hose is a light, short tight coil. No experience with it. Interesting though. Use both. 
Bali Hai SN 24
Annapolis

Ric Gottschalk
Kitchen Magic Refacers, Inc
Office 410-923-5800
Fax 410-923-5802

On Nov 14, 2016, at 8:30 AM, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Now I sail in Chesapeake Bay and most of my anchoring is in the mud. Anchor wash on my SM 2000 is useless. I belive that real solution is installation of deck wash connection on the bow. I plan redirect chain wash to a deck wash connector. It can be used for salt water boat wash or shower aswell. You don't need high water pressure if you use hose for anchor or chain wash.

I seriously contemplate flat through deck installation of  deck wash fitting. I see on line flat deck wash connectors are made by Johnson Pump or by Jubsco.

Did anybody install deck wash connector fitting on Amel SM?

Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"


On Nov 7, 2016 11:37 PM, "'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Patrick,

 

Thank you (and thank the others who have kindly responded to my call for help).  I think that I see how it goes.  The copper pipe is embedded in the fiberglass.  The yard is going to lay up the new fiberglass around a copper pipe as it used to be.   The higher pressure pump that you and others have suggested is a good idea and I may do someday.  For now, I (and the insurance company) will settle for putting it back like it was.  

 

Regards,

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm216  in a shed in Portsmouth, RI

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: anchor chain wash

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Now I sail in Chesapeake Bay and most of my anchoring is in the mud. Anchor wash on my SM 2000 is useless. I belive that real solution is installation of deck wash connection on the bow. I plan redirect chain wash to a deck wash connector. It can be used for salt water boat wash or shower aswell. You don't need high water pressure if you use hose for anchor or chain wash.

I seriously contemplate flat through deck installation of  deck wash fitting. I see on line flat deck wash connectors are made by Johnson Pump or by Jubsco.

Did anybody install deck wash connector fitting on Amel SM?

Vladimir
SM 345 "Life is Good"


On Nov 7, 2016 11:37 PM, "'Miles Bidwell' milesbid@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Patrick,

 

Thank you (and thank the others who have kindly responded to my call for help).  I think that I see how it goes.  The copper pipe is embedded in the fiberglass.  The yard is going to lay up the new fiberglass around a copper pipe as it used to be.   The higher pressure pump that you and others have suggested is a good idea and I may do someday.  For now, I (and the insurance company) will settle for putting it back like it was.  

 

Regards,

 

Miles

 

s/y Ladybug, sm216  in a shed in Portsmouth, RI

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Frigoboat tripping

James Alton
 

Alexandre,

I can understand your logic with regards to replacing the bearings each time the thruster is serviced. Thanks for the response and again for the excellently detailed service instructions.

James

On Nov 14, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Peter Buckley carhartt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi All and especially Alexandre,

Thank you for your threads and images it has been an amazing help for me during the maintenance program on my Mango.
It is almost finished and I set sail on the 14th December for warmer waters to the north of Australia.

I have an issue with my Frigoboat refrigerator that seems strange. It will work fine off the generator and shore power but trips the breaker on 12 volts.
If anyone has had this problem and has a solution it would be appreciated.

Thank you all again

Kindest Regards

Peter
Gradiva Mango #70
Raymond Island
Australia



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Peter Buckley

83 Twelfth Avenue
Raymond Island VIC 3880

Phone: 0428 427 786

Email: carhartt@... <mailto:carhartt@...>


From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... <mailto:uster@...> [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:47:21 +0000 (UTC)
To: <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan


Good morning James,

With time I will try to post more illustration…

Personally I change the bearing every time I service the bow thruster.
The way I look at it, the cost of the bearing is very small compare to all the work/time involved…

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Sun, 11/13/16, James Alton lokiyawl2@... <mailto:lokiyawl2@...> [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016, 7:51 AM












Alexandre,
You did a truly excellent
job of documenting the bow thruster service. May I ask how
often you replace your bearings?
Best,
James AltonSV Sueno, Maramu #220Arbatax, ItalyOn Nov 13, 2016, at 9:03 AM,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... <mailto:uster@...>
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
wrote:
Good morning Rick,

Here are the various owner
manuals.
Depending of the SM
or SM2K model you have, you will see slight difference or
evolutions on the battery chargers or air intake for the
Espar heater, etc.
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_manual.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Optional_equipment.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Users_Guide_CP.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Guide_utilisateur_Pack_Confort.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Manuel_du_proprietaire_Pack_Confort.pdf

Also good to know:
http://nikimat.com/amel_Super_Maramu_2000_Polar_Chart.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part1.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part2.pdf

Here are as well some other links
for maintenance and repairs:
Bow Thruster Overhaul with you
will need to do every 2 years:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Recently I did the Windlass
regular maintenance and the complete overhaul
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_overhaul.html

Change of the Onan Exhaust
Elbow:
http://nikimat.com/onan_exhaust_elbow_replacement.html
Onan water pump
cleaning:
http://nikimat.com/onan_water_pump_cleaning.html

Main sail car repair:
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car.html
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car_rebuild.html

Companion way lock:
http://nikimat.com/companion_way_broken_lock.html

Removing the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_removal.html

Accessing the dishwasher:
http://nikimat.com/dishwasher_access.html

Cleaning the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_cleaning.html

I also have made some
illustrations on installing a Galvanic Isolator and AC
Multimeters
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator.html

My diesel class was from a now
retired instructor, it is about the same on all diesel
engines.
The main issue to to
make sure there is no air in the fuel line, how to bleed,
etc. I am not sure you need to learn more than that.

The way I do it: if this is
something that needs to be done every 10 years (like
rebuilding the propeller), I rather hire someone that does
it on a regular basis…
If this is something
that needs to be done on a regular basis (every 2 years)
then I will learn.

Totally agree with living onboard
for at least 1 year before to make any change, this is the
advice I was given.

Here is the link for the
survey:
http://nikimat.com/Expertise_Super_Maramu_2000_BALAO_septembre.pdf
It is in
French.

My belief, or at least hope, is
that when all the maintenance is up to date it is easier to
do it regularly.
I am probably an
exception on the group as I have to work (from the boat), so
when I arrived somewhere I have to get connected to the
internet and work.
So because of that,
instead to wait for parts to break I change or maintain them
when I have the chance, as never they break at a good
time.
I was told:
“Schedule your maintenance before your maintenance
schedule you”.

My trip has only be the Caribbean
so far, I can’t imagine for Bill and Judy the additional
shipping cost to Asia, etc…

Diesel engine are very strong and
durable, change your oil, filter (oil is VERY cheap compare
to an overhaul), etc.
Take care of your
equipment and your equipment will take care of you.

Finally, yes this forum is
amazing: Olivier, Gary, Bill, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI

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On Sat,
11/12/16, devaxmangor@... <mailto:devaxmangor@...> [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>>
wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan
To: amelyachtowners@... <mailto:amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Saturday,
November 12, 2016, 1:05 PM












Thank you Alexandre,
I definitely plan on
taking all the
ASA courses I can. As I think I
mentioned in another post, I
am obsessive/compulsive when it
comes to learning, so I
enjoy the process.
Can you point me to
a place to
download the service manuals? I
have read somewhere that
there are some in this group? If
not I will do a search, but
just in case you had it handy
somewhere it would be greatly
appreciated.
RE: Basic
Diesel. Definitely want to do
this. However, I've also
read that there are more in-depth
classes specific to the
engine manufacturer. I have heard
that Yanmar does these
sort of classes (haven't
really researched this yet but
came across it - haven't
heard of Volvo doing it but I
would be surprised if they
don't). I would assumed then
that these courses would be
considerably more intensive than
the Basic Diesel? I can see
taking one of these as a
top-list item in my book.
Overkill?
I've constantly heard the
"live on the
boat for one year before you decided to
make any
modifications/fixes/upgrades" and it seems
quite logical.
Something you thought you'd want may turn
out to be a
non-factor.
RE:
sharing your survey. If it has
anything that would help me
understand some of the typical
wear factors (and maybe not so
typical) on the Amel for
future reference when I am at
that stage, I would greatly
appreciate it.
Thank
you for the 20% figure. I had
estimated 10% per year, but I
can see how the first couple of
years there maybe additional
modifications/upgrades to get it
to what would be right for
us (I don't use the word
perfect because I know that is
a trap to get stuck never
finishing - been there done
that).
Glad to know
that the 15-20 hours is accurate
on weekly maintenance.
Heard that number about other
boats and knowing from an
experienced Amel owner gives that
figure more
weight.
RE: parts.
Thankfully, reading through SV
BeBe's blog I can clearly
see the costs and time associated
with trying to obtain
parts at foreign ports. The plans
would be to stock up on
just about as much spare
parts/units that I can carry, and
it appears that the Amel's
have plenty of storage. Thank
you for sharing your spare parts
list.
Engine
hours is amazing. I though
that an engine would get long in
the tooth at around 3,000
hours and would need to be
changed. I really need to learn
more about diesel engines!
Thank you for
tightening up my
budgets. Starting to work on my
spreadsheets and this will
help a lot.
Can't
tell you how glad I am that I
found this forum and posters
like yourself and the rest. A
great support group is also
something that will definitely
influence my decision on
purchasing an Amel.
Good luck to your
continued
endeavors.
Cheers,
Rick Gutierrez
















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Frigoboat tripping

Peter Buckley
 

Hi All and especially Alexandre,

Thank you for your threads and images it has been an amazing help for me during the maintenance program on my Mango.
It is almost finished and I set sail on the 14th December for warmer waters to the north of Australia.

I have an issue with my Frigoboat refrigerator that seems strange. It will work fine off the generator and shore power but trips the breaker on 12 volts.
If anyone has had this problem and has a solution it would be appreciated.

Thank you all again 

Kindest Regards

Peter
Gradiva Mango #70
Raymond Island 
Australia



-- 
Peter Buckley

83 Twelfth Avenue
Raymond Island VIC 3880

Phone: 0428 427 786

Email: carhartt@...


From: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Reply-To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:47:21 +0000 (UTC)
To: <amelyachtowners@...>
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan

 

Good morning James,

With time I will try to post more illustration…

Personally I change the bearing every time I service the bow thruster.
The way I look at it, the cost of the bearing is very small compare to all the work/time involved…

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 11/13/16, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016, 7:51 AM


 









Alexandre,
   You did a truly excellent
job of documenting the bow thruster service.  May I ask how
often you replace your bearings?
Best,
James AltonSV Sueno,  Maramu #220Arbatax,  ItalyOn Nov 13, 2016, at 9:03 AM,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Good morning Rick, 

Here are the various owner
manuals.  
Depending of the SM
or SM2K model you have, you will see slight difference or
evolutions on the battery chargers or air intake for the
Espar heater, etc. 
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_manual.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Optional_equipment.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Users_Guide_CP.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Guide_utilisateur_Pack_Confort.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Manuel_du_proprietaire_Pack_Confort.pdf

Also good to know:  
http://nikimat.com/amel_Super_Maramu_2000_Polar_Chart.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part1.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part2.pdf

Here are as well some other links
for maintenance and repairs:
Bow Thruster Overhaul with you
will need to do every 2 years:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Recently I did the Windlass
regular maintenance and the complete overhaul
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_overhaul.html

Change of the Onan Exhaust
Elbow:
http://nikimat.com/onan_exhaust_elbow_replacement.html
Onan water pump
cleaning:
http://nikimat.com/onan_water_pump_cleaning.html

Main sail car repair: 
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car.html
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car_rebuild.html

Companion way lock: 
http://nikimat.com/companion_way_broken_lock.html

Removing the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_removal.html

Accessing the dishwasher:
http://nikimat.com/dishwasher_access.html

Cleaning the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_cleaning.html

I also have made some
illustrations on installing a Galvanic Isolator and AC
Multimeters
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator.html

My diesel class was from a now
retired instructor, it is about the same on all diesel
engines.  
The main issue to to
make sure there is no air in the fuel line, how to bleed,
etc. I am not sure you need to learn more than that.  

The way I do it: if this is
something that needs to be done every 10 years (like
rebuilding the propeller), I rather hire someone that does
it on a regular basis…  
If this is something
that needs to be done on a regular basis (every 2 years)
then I will learn. 

Totally agree with living onboard
for at least 1 year before to make any change, this is the
advice I was given.  

Here is the link for the
survey:  
http://nikimat.com/Expertise_Super_Maramu_2000_BALAO_septembre.pdf
It is in
French.  

My belief, or at least hope, is
that when all the maintenance is up to date it is easier to
do it regularly.  
I am probably an
exception on the group as I have to work (from the boat), so
when I arrived somewhere I have to get connected to the
internet and work.  
So because of that,
instead to wait for parts to break I change or maintain them
when I have the chance, as never they break at a good
time.  
I was told:
“Schedule your maintenance before your maintenance
schedule you”.  

My trip has only be the Caribbean
so far, I can’t imagine for Bill and Judy the additional
shipping cost to Asia, etc…  

Diesel engine are very strong and
durable, change your oil, filter (oil is VERY cheap compare
to an overhaul), etc. 
Take care of your
equipment and your equipment will take care of you. 

Finally, yes this forum is
amazing: Olivier, Gary, Bill, etc. 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI

--------------------------------------------
On Sat,
11/12/16, devaxmangor@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday,
November 12, 2016, 1:05 PM


 









Thank you Alexandre,
I definitely plan on
taking all the
ASA courses I can. As I think I
mentioned in another post, I
am obsessive/compulsive when it
comes to learning, so I
enjoy the process. 
Can you point me to
a place to
download the service manuals? I
have read somewhere that
there are some in this group? If
not I will do a search, but
just in case you had it handy
somewhere it would be greatly
appreciated.
RE: Basic
Diesel. Definitely want to do
this. However, I've also
read that there are more in-depth
classes specific to the
engine manufacturer. I have heard
that Yanmar does these
sort of classes (haven't
really researched this yet but
came across it - haven't
heard of Volvo doing it but I
would be surprised if they
don't). I would assumed then
that these courses would be
considerably more intensive than
the Basic Diesel? I can see
taking one of these as a
top-list item in my book.
Overkill?
I've constantly heard the
"live on the
boat for one year before you decided to
make any
modifications/fixes/upgrades" and it seems
quite logical.
Something you thought you'd want may turn
out to be a
non-factor.
RE:
sharing your survey. If it has
anything that would help me
understand some of the typical
wear factors (and maybe not so
typical) on the Amel for
future reference when I am at
that stage, I would greatly
appreciate it. 
Thank
you for the 20% figure. I had
estimated 10% per year, but I
can see how the first couple of
years there maybe additional
modifications/upgrades to get it
to what would be right for
us (I don't use the word
perfect because I know that is
a trap to get stuck never
finishing - been there done
that). 
Glad to know
that the 15-20 hours is accurate
on weekly maintenance.
Heard that number about other
boats and knowing from an
experienced Amel owner gives that
figure more
weight.
RE: parts.
Thankfully, reading through SV
BeBe's blog I can clearly
see the costs and time associated
with trying to obtain
parts at foreign ports. The plans
would be to stock up on
just about as much spare
parts/units that I can carry, and
it appears that the Amel's
have plenty of storage. Thank
you for sharing your spare parts
list. 
Engine
hours is amazing. I though
that an engine would get long in
the tooth at around 3,000
hours and would need to be
changed. I really need to learn
more about diesel engines!
Thank you for
tightening up my
budgets. Starting to work on my
spreadsheets and this will
help a lot.
Can't
tell you how glad I am that I
found this forum and posters
like yourself and the rest. A
great support group is also
something that will definitely
influence my decision on
purchasing an Amel.
Good luck to your
continued
endeavors. 
Cheers,
Rick Gutierrez
















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning James,

With time I will try to post more illustration…

Personally I change the bearing every time I service the bow thruster.
The way I look at it, the cost of the bearing is very small compare to all the work/time involved…

Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 11/13/16, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016, 7:51 AM


 









Alexandre,
   You did a truly excellent
job of documenting the bow thruster service.  May I ask how
often you replace your bearings?
Best,
James AltonSV Sueno,  Maramu #220Arbatax,  ItalyOn Nov 13, 2016, at 9:03 AM,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Good morning Rick, 

Here are the various owner
manuals.  
Depending of the SM
or SM2K model you have, you will see slight difference or
evolutions on the battery chargers or air intake for the
Espar heater, etc. 
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_manual.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Optional_equipment.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Users_Guide_CP.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Guide_utilisateur_Pack_Confort.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Manuel_du_proprietaire_Pack_Confort.pdf

Also good to know:  
http://nikimat.com/amel_Super_Maramu_2000_Polar_Chart.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part1.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part2.pdf

Here are as well some other links
for maintenance and repairs:
Bow Thruster Overhaul with you
will need to do every 2 years:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Recently I did the Windlass
regular maintenance and the complete overhaul
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_overhaul.html

Change of the Onan Exhaust
Elbow:
http://nikimat.com/onan_exhaust_elbow_replacement.html
Onan water pump
cleaning:
http://nikimat.com/onan_water_pump_cleaning.html

Main sail car repair: 
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car.html
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car_rebuild.html

Companion way lock: 
http://nikimat.com/companion_way_broken_lock.html

Removing the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_removal.html

Accessing the dishwasher:
http://nikimat.com/dishwasher_access.html

Cleaning the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_cleaning.html

I also have made some
illustrations on installing a Galvanic Isolator and AC
Multimeters
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator.html

My diesel class was from a now
retired instructor, it is about the same on all diesel
engines.  
The main issue to to
make sure there is no air in the fuel line, how to bleed,
etc. I am not sure you need to learn more than that.  

The way I do it: if this is
something that needs to be done every 10 years (like
rebuilding the propeller), I rather hire someone that does
it on a regular basis…  
If this is something
that needs to be done on a regular basis (every 2 years)
then I will learn. 

Totally agree with living onboard
for at least 1 year before to make any change, this is the
advice I was given.  

Here is the link for the
survey:  
http://nikimat.com/Expertise_Super_Maramu_2000_BALAO_septembre.pdf
It is in
French.  

My belief, or at least hope, is
that when all the maintenance is up to date it is easier to
do it regularly.  
I am probably an
exception on the group as I have to work (from the boat), so
when I arrived somewhere I have to get connected to the
internet and work.  
So because of that,
instead to wait for parts to break I change or maintain them
when I have the chance, as never they break at a good
time.  
I was told:
“Schedule your maintenance before your maintenance
schedule you”.  

My trip has only be the Caribbean
so far, I can’t imagine for Bill and Judy the additional
shipping cost to Asia, etc…  

Diesel engine are very strong and
durable, change your oil, filter (oil is VERY cheap compare
to an overhaul), etc. 
Take care of your
equipment and your equipment will take care of you. 

Finally, yes this forum is
amazing: Olivier, Gary, Bill, etc. 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI

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On Sat,
11/12/16, devaxmangor@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday,
November 12, 2016, 1:05 PM


 









Thank you Alexandre,
I definitely plan on
taking all the
ASA courses I can. As I think I
mentioned in another post, I
am obsessive/compulsive when it
comes to learning, so I
enjoy the process. 
Can you point me to
a place to
download the service manuals? I
have read somewhere that
there are some in this group? If
not I will do a search, but
just in case you had it handy
somewhere it would be greatly
appreciated.
RE: Basic
Diesel. Definitely want to do
this. However, I've also
read that there are more in-depth
classes specific to the
engine manufacturer. I have heard
that Yanmar does these
sort of classes (haven't
really researched this yet but
came across it - haven't
heard of Volvo doing it but I
would be surprised if they
don't). I would assumed then
that these courses would be
considerably more intensive than
the Basic Diesel? I can see
taking one of these as a
top-list item in my book.
Overkill?
I've constantly heard the
"live on the
boat for one year before you decided to
make any
modifications/fixes/upgrades" and it seems
quite logical.
Something you thought you'd want may turn
out to be a
non-factor.
RE:
sharing your survey. If it has
anything that would help me
understand some of the typical
wear factors (and maybe not so
typical) on the Amel for
future reference when I am at
that stage, I would greatly
appreciate it. 
Thank
you for the 20% figure. I had
estimated 10% per year, but I
can see how the first couple of
years there maybe additional
modifications/upgrades to get it
to what would be right for
us (I don't use the word
perfect because I know that is
a trap to get stuck never
finishing - been there done
that). 
Glad to know
that the 15-20 hours is accurate
on weekly maintenance.
Heard that number about other
boats and knowing from an
experienced Amel owner gives that
figure more
weight.
RE: parts.
Thankfully, reading through SV
BeBe's blog I can clearly
see the costs and time associated
with trying to obtain
parts at foreign ports. The plans
would be to stock up on
just about as much spare
parts/units that I can carry, and
it appears that the Amel's
have plenty of storage. Thank
you for sharing your spare parts
list. 
Engine
hours is amazing. I though
that an engine would get long in
the tooth at around 3,000
hours and would need to be
changed. I really need to learn
more about diesel engines!
Thank you for
tightening up my
budgets. Starting to work on my
spreadsheets and this will
help a lot.
Can't
tell you how glad I am that I
found this forum and posters
like yourself and the rest. A
great support group is also
something that will definitely
influence my decision on
purchasing an Amel.
Good luck to your
continued
endeavors. 
Cheers,
Rick Gutierrez
















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] What to do with the hole...

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

Kent,

The only time I have ever heard the DST-800's "tock, tock" was when I took it out to clean it and I put it in vinegar while it was still on.  I turned it off.

The "tock, tock" was not at all loud and I think it would be impossible to hear it from the inside even with baby ears.  I am in my 40's, for whatever's worth.

Cheerio,


Peregrinus
SM2K No. 350
At anchor, Venice

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What to do with the hole...

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

We also have the P79 as a 2nd depth sounder right up in the fwd under floor section of the front cabin and can unfortunately confirm that all these particular units are really excellent with no need of another hole in your boat, but unusually all have the same ticking noise from new.

In our case it is simply an extra unit for redundancy and/or as a fwd warning sounder when entering shallowing waters so we normally leave it unplugged from the Raymarine ES97. At all other times we use the original B&G one which makes no sounds at all.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

How very strange...  

I have installed two of these on different boats and never heard a thing inside the boat.  Either my ears are not very good, (they are not!) or your unit transmits on lower order harmonics of the 50 or 200 kHz signal more than it should.  

You might give Airmar tech support a try.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Hilton Head Island, SC
Headed down to Fort Lauderdale this afternoon.


On Nov 13, 2016, at 04:55, 'Herbert Lackner' herbert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

We also mounted the P79 next to the old B&G transducer. Easy to install, works fine and gives good readings, but the sound that it makes is annoying, the „tock – tock - tock …“ encourages me to remove the cable from the Plotter (cannot just be switched off).  I will try to put some foam around it to make it more silent, but if that does not help I think I would not install it again.

 

Herbert

KALI MERA, SN120, Trinidad




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445

Re: Help - 5-Year Plan

sbmesasailor
 

I am the owner of a 33 year old Perkins 4-154 with 9600 hours on it.  When I bought the boat it had 4600 hours.  I have never cleaned/changed the injectors or adjusted the valves.  I change the fuel filters only when the engine begins to hesitate.  I overheated it once and blew a head gasket.  I do change the oil every 100 hours.  The engine now leaks oil into the bilge, so I have to remember to turn off the bilge pump as I enter a marina.

I'm not proud of the fact that I do so little engine maintenance but the engine kicks over immediately every time I turn the key and I get the same 3/4 gallon per hour I have always gotten and still cruise at 6.5 knots at 2000 rpm.

I know repowering is in the near future and I'm not looking forward to the decision to go with a current marine diesel or a rebuild for exactly what Bill R. was talking about.

Rick,

In addition to ASA classes, you should also look into the USPS offerings.  There is probably a local squadron you can join.

Dennis Johns
s/v Libertad

Re: Help - 5-Year Plan

sbmesasailor
 

I have to respectfully disagree with Bob as far as tackling the North Atlantic.  My wife and I will soon complete our circumnavigation having gone down the west coast of Central America, turning west at Ecuador and making Australia, Thailand, up into the Med and across the Atlantic from the Canaries.  You stay in those latitudes, stick to the cruising seasons and you can avoid gales, hurricanes, cyclones and by all means the North Atlantic and the Southern Indian Ocean.  We call our voyage World Cruising Without Calamity.  If we aren't considered 'tried and tested' sailors, that's ok with us.

Dennis Johns
s/v Libertad
Maramu #121
Granada

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: What to do with the hole...

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

How very strange...  

I have installed two of these on different boats and never heard a thing inside the boat.  Either my ears are not very good, (they are not!) or your unit transmits on lower order harmonics of the 50 or 200 kHz signal more than it should.  

You might give Airmar tech support a try.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Hilton Head Island, SC
Headed down to Fort Lauderdale this afternoon.


On Nov 13, 2016, at 04:55, 'Herbert Lackner' herbert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

We also mounted the P79 next to the old B&G transducer. Easy to install, works fine and gives good readings, but the sound that it makes is annoying, the „tock – tock - tock …“ encourages me to remove the cable from the Plotter (cannot just be switched off).  I will try to put some foam around it to make it more silent, but if that does not help I think I would not install it again.

 

Herbert

KALI MERA, SN120, Trinidad

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan

James Alton
 

Alexandre,

   You did a truly excellent job of documenting the bow thruster service.  May I ask how often you replace your bearings?

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 13, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good morning Rick, 

Here are the various owner manuals.  
Depending of the SM or SM2K model you have, you will see slight difference or evolutions on the battery chargers or air intake for the Espar heater, etc. 
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_manual.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Optional_equipment.pdf
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_Users_Guide_CP.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Guide_utilisateur_Pack_Confort.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Manuel_du_proprietaire_Pack_Confort.pdf

Also good to know:  
http://nikimat.com/amel_Super_Maramu_2000_Polar_Chart.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part1.pdf
http://nikimat.com/Amel_Electrical_SM2k_OM_Appendix_4_el_Drawing_Part2.pdf

Here are as well some other links for maintenance and repairs:
Bow Thruster Overhaul with you will need to do every 2 years:
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

Recently I did the Windlass regular maintenance and the complete overhaul
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass.html
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_overhaul.html

Change of the Onan Exhaust Elbow:
http://nikimat.com/onan_exhaust_elbow_replacement.html
Onan water pump cleaning:
http://nikimat.com/onan_water_pump_cleaning.html

Main sail car repair: 
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car.html
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car_rebuild.html

Companion way lock: 
http://nikimat.com/companion_way_broken_lock.html

Removing the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_removal.html

Accessing the dishwasher:
http://nikimat.com/dishwasher_access.html

Cleaning the oven:
http://nikimat.com/stove_oven_cleaning.html

I also have made some illustrations on installing a Galvanic Isolator and AC Multimeters
http://nikimat.com/galvanic_isolator.html

My diesel class was from a now retired instructor, it is about the same on all diesel engines.  
The main issue to to make sure there is no air in the fuel line, how to bleed, etc. I am not sure you need to learn more than that.  

The way I do it: if this is something that needs to be done every 10 years (like rebuilding the propeller), I rather hire someone that does it on a regular basis…  
If this is something that needs to be done on a regular basis (every 2 years) then I will learn. 

Totally agree with living onboard for at least 1 year before to make any change, this is the advice I was given.  

Here is the link for the survey:  
http://nikimat.com/Expertise_Super_Maramu_2000_BALAO_septembre.pdf
It is in French.  

My belief, or at least hope, is that when all the maintenance is up to date it is easier to do it regularly.  
I am probably an exception on the group as I have to work (from the boat), so when I arrived somewhere I have to get connected to the internet and work.  
So because of that, instead to wait for parts to break I change or maintain them when I have the chance, as never they break at a good time.  
I was told: “Schedule your maintenance before your maintenance schedule you”.  

My trip has only be the Caribbean so far, I can’t imagine for Bill and Judy the additional shipping cost to Asia, etc…  

Diesel engine are very strong and durable, change your oil, filter (oil is VERY cheap compare to an overhaul), etc. 
Take care of your equipment and your equipment will take care of you. 

Finally, yes this forum is amazing: Olivier, Gary, Bill, etc. 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

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On Sat, 11/12/16, devaxmangor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Help - 5-Year Plan
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016, 1:05 PM


 









Thank you Alexandre,
I definitely plan on taking all the
ASA courses I can. As I think I mentioned in another post, I
am obsessive/compulsive when it comes to learning, so I
enjoy the process. 
Can you point me to a place to
download the service manuals? I have read somewhere that
there are some in this group? If not I will do a search, but
just in case you had it handy somewhere it would be greatly
appreciated.
RE: Basic
Diesel. Definitely want to do this. However, I've also
read that there are more in-depth classes specific to the
engine manufacturer. I have heard that Yanmar does these
sort of classes (haven't really researched this yet but
came across it - haven't heard of Volvo doing it but I
would be surprised if they don't). I would assumed then
that these courses would be considerably more intensive than
the Basic Diesel? I can see taking one of these as a
top-list item in my book. Overkill?
I've constantly heard the
"live on the boat for one year before you decided to
make any modifications/fixes/upgrades" and it seems
quite logical. Something you thought you'd want may turn
out to be a non-factor.
RE: sharing your survey. If it has
anything that would help me understand some of the typical
wear factors (and maybe not so typical) on the Amel for
future reference when I am at that stage, I would greatly
appreciate it. 
Thank
you for the 20% figure. I had estimated 10% per year, but I
can see how the first couple of years there maybe additional
modifications/upgrades to get it to what would be right for
us (I don't use the word perfect because I know that is
a trap to get stuck never finishing - been there done
that). 
Glad to know
that the 15-20 hours is accurate on weekly maintenance.
Heard that number about other boats and knowing from an
experienced Amel owner gives that figure more
weight.
RE: parts.
Thankfully, reading through SV BeBe's blog I can clearly
see the costs and time associated with trying to obtain
parts at foreign ports. The plans would be to stock up on
just about as much spare parts/units that I can carry, and
it appears that the Amel's have plenty of storage. Thank
you for sharing your spare parts list. 
Engine hours is amazing. I though
that an engine would get long in the tooth at around 3,000
hours and would need to be changed. I really need to learn
more about diesel engines!
Thank you for tightening up my
budgets. Starting to work on my spreadsheets and this will
help a lot.
Can't
tell you how glad I am that I found this forum and posters
like yourself and the rest. A great support group is also
something that will definitely influence my decision on
purchasing an Amel.
Good luck to your continued
endeavors. 
Cheers,
Rick Gutierrez