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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: leech length on mizzen ballooner on 54

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: phased electronics replacement

Dominique Guenot
 

Hello Bill, 

Thank you for all these information and the schematic.

I see you have a computer AC42 at the navigation table. 
What are you using it for?  
Are you plotting your route on it or on the Zeus at the Helm or both? 
Do you have 1 set of charts or 2 different sets of charts? 

Thank you in advance

Dominique
s/v Viva currently in Fiji  


Re: Problems hooking up new Bamar EJF 1.0 to new Boxtron E14s Any help

Bob Hodgins <bobh@...>
 

Porter,
I am sorry for the delay in responding. I did replace my Boxtron controllers with the new E14, and I had to figure it out myself. I still have the older belt drive furlers that are working fine, so I can not be certain about the new furlers, but the E14 is likely the same. What I found by studying the wiring diagrams is that the original design of the switches at the helm, for turning on the Boxtron controllers, provides 24 volt power to the Boxtron. The new E14 does not need power, you just need to make contact between two terminals. I am not currently on the boat, so I can not tell you the terminal numbers, but it should be apparent when you look at the box, or at the wiring diagram. I do remember that there are three terminals in the E14, the center one, and two adjacent ones. shorting (or connecting) the center to either side runs the unit one direction and the other. To solve the problem, I installed a small relay right inside the E14. (or maybe it was 2 relays) I had spares on board of the little relays that are used in the bow thruster up/down circuit. I connected the 24v power from the helm switch to close the relay, and connected the E14 terminals to the contacts of the relay. It was a simple fix and if you are using an experienced marine electrician he should of been able to sort that for you. I will be back aboard Gallivant next week, and could provide you with more detailed info if needed.
Bob Hodgins
Gallivant
Amel 54 #31


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement [1 Attachment]

greatketch@...
 

Once again, I made the mistake of assuming all SMs are the same, even though I know better!

The Furuo 1831 that we had could not send radar data out...  Newer Furuno radars of course can talk to chart plotters....

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

Patrick McAneny
 

Steve, I had interphase and found it erratic . The B&G forward scan is much better and would definitely have shown a large rock or ledge. Another nice feature, even when not in the scan mode and without it displayed on the plotter , you have a green area displayed on the plotter in front of your boat that turns to yellow as the depth decreases and then turns red when you enter an area of dangerous  depth , that you set up. Just looking at You Tube of the San Blas , looks beautiful , thinking of doing it next winter.
Have Fun !
Pat
SM Shenanigans



-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Nov 9, 2017 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

 
My 2 cents worth...2 days ago we were slowly navigating down a remote uncharted bay in the less traveled Eastern San Blas of Panama. We were using the the Eric Bauhaus charts from "The Panama Cruisers Guide". His chart indicated 15 meters, and we were indicating 54' on the sounder just creeping along. We went from 54' to hitting something and coming to a rapid stop in the blink of an eye. We were able to back off, and immediately showed 54' again. The water was brown, and Liz was spotting on the bow with no indication that anything was ahead of us. Fortunately, we were going slow, and other than some scratches on the iron part of the keel, no harm done. 

Moral of the story is a functional forward looking sonar may have prevented this, and giving me the confidence to continue instead of turning around as we did. I have used an old interphase unit many years ago in Hawaii, and even with the older technology, I found it very useful. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Puerto Lindo, Panama

On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:45, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Pat,

I have not installed forward scanning sonar.  At least, not yet.

It has been a quite a while since I last evaluated forward sonars, so my comments might be very out of date.... The ability to actually display something I felt I could easily interpret in real time at a useful level of precision didn't impress me.  The times we bump bottom we are going from 6.9 feet to 6.5, not from 40 feet to 5 feet. I know some people swear by them, so there is utility there I am not seeing.

Double that on the power usage of the 3G radar!  We routinely leave the radar on at sea now.  One of the downsides people have listed about the broadband radars is that they are not as good at rain/squall detection.  I don't see it.  On our trip down here we wer e regularly seeing rather light squall activity well before the rain started to fall to the surface. For weather tracking and avoidance at sea, the 3G certainly meets my needs, even if it can't pick out a spot of drizzle at 20 miles!

It was good to meet you,

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL




---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill, Due to a lightning strike we had every instrument on the boat replaced from tv antenna to ssb , everything. I chose to go with all B&G , 12 inch plotter at the helm and a 9 in. at the nav . station. I opted for the Forward Scan , it seemed erratic , with the image of the bottom spiking up and down , while in an area with a flat bottom (Chesapeake Bay ) . I could place no faith in it to accurately depict what was in front of me. I installed a new transducer , as suggested by a B&G rep. , I have yet been able to test it out, and will be hauling the boat asap . My question, do you find the forward scan to accurately depict an image of the bottom , or is the image erratic , showing the bottom depth shoot up and down. I thought that perhaps the mud bottom we have here does not reflect well and maybe it works better in a sand / coral  bottom . I also really like the radar and it uses very little power . It was nice to meet you in Annapolis.

Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Help winterize Amel SM 2000 in US

Patrick McAneny
 

Oliver, I live on the Sassafras River at the north end of the Bay. I just hauled my boat a few hours ago and will winterize it in the next few days. Is your water maker pickled ? Where is your boat located ? 
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Nov 9, 2017 2:20 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Help winterize Amel SM 2000 in US

 
Hello,

and thank you for the answers to find a high quality rope for our boat. 

We are looking for a very experienced AMEL SM 2000 owner or previous AMEL SM 2000 owner, who can help us to winterize our boat in the US, Chesapeake Bay. 
Actually it seams difficult for us to fly in from Europe.  We are in a Marina with a very good and experienced Boatyard, but like we all know, an AMEL owner knows the AMEL much better.

If someone could help us, or could recommend someone please contact us.

Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000 No. 397

  
  


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: leech length on mizzen ballooner on 54

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jeff,

Wolfgang gave you the number. I mistakenly said leech when I should have said luff. Wolfgang has the luff at 11,65m. 12.0 meter is perfect for your sock.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 8:04 PM, webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Jeff
the Mizzen ballooner is 12,6 meter x 11,65 meter x 6,0 meter.
I  have a " Black Box Bergeschlauch"  from  Quatumsails - length  11,8 m , paid 385 ,-€ .
The system works fine

Good sailing to all. 
Wolfgang Weber SY ELISE Amel 54 # 162 ( marina di Ragusa /Sicily )
next week in Florida




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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Heinz,

speed of reply relates to time zones. You got me at my computer. When I see my tech I will ask him about that connecting equipment.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl 

On 10 November 2017 at 09:16 "Heinz Stutenbäumer heinz@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hallo Danny

 

Thanks for the quick answer.

I know a good eclectic on Martinique. If I still need help, I will gladly contact you again.

Heinz

 

Von: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. November 2017 21:05
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

 

 

Hi Heinz,

Sorry, wiser heads than mine set it up. When we bought the boat they were supposed to be linked, and were but not functioning. The broker seemed aware of this and had an experienced captain on the sea trials and he sorted it out. The problem was the "names". You had to have the right "name" entered in both units, so the units could recognise each other and grant permission to link to the name. I remember that he had to alter the name of one or the other and then it was good. Clearly that is a key. The other thing is there is an item between the two which is driven by 120v so I have to have my 120v inverter on for the link to function. I had a new radar installed and the fitter could't understand why this was done but he left it as is saying, its working lets not mess with that. He could not see why 12 v couldn't be used. I am many things but an electronics expert I am not. If you want me to I could talk to him to get more information. He has retired now but he lives locally. To add to the conversation we have, and have had for all our ownership, a full range of Raymarine ST 60+ instruments and auto helm. They do all we want, 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 10 November 2017 at 07:58 "Heinz Stutenbäumer heinz@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Dany

 

It's nice to hear from someone who can connect the old Furono radar to a plotter.

Do you have sketches or photos of how you connected it?

Thank you Heinz

 

Von: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. November 2017 18:55
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: Re: AW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

 

 

Hi,

We have a Furuno radar at the nav station. It is linked to the Furuno plotter at the helm and can display in various modes there. Full  screen, split screen and over lay. Works well. When doing crossings we have it on split screen at night.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl  

On 09 November 2017 at 15:16 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Heinz,

 

We kept our original AutoHelm autopilot as an installed working back up to our newer, smarter B&G autopilot.  The Autohelm has its own electronic compass, and receives wind data in the same way as it originally did, from the Hydra 0183 output.  It does not receive GPS data, but I never tried to interface it in that way since I never ask my auto pilot to steer a GPS course.  In other words, while it works together with the other instruments, it would not be fair to say it was integrated with them.

 

The Furuno radar can not send radar data to any other device.  It can, in theory, receive some data on heading and waypoints over 0183 but it requires an obsolete connector that I could never find.

 

I have attached a schematic of the new things that have been added to our boat.  The original wiring isn't completely shown, even if it is still being used.  Just haven't had time to do that too!

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL

 

---In amelyachtowners@..., <heinz@...> wrote :

Hi Bill and all,

I am relatively new to the group and have been a proud owner of a SM 2000 for about a year now.

 

I'm up to do something similar with my SY Quetzal.

I want to install new instruments and I will install a forward scan.

 

I'd be interested to see if I could join the old autopilot.

Also a connection to the ld and good working Furono Radar would inspire me.

 

Are there any pictures you could send to me?

I'd be grateful for any information.

Also from other participants of the group.

 

I fly to Martinique on the 18th and will then start work and do some Fotos.

Thank you for every letter,

and forgive my poor English

 

Always fare winds.

Heinz Stutenbäumer

Quetzal SM 2000 No. 292

 

heinz@...

  

 

 


 

 

 


 

 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

Hallo Danny

 

Thanks for the quick answer.

I know a good eclectic on Martinique. If I still need help, I will gladly contact you again.

Heinz

 

Von: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. November 2017 21:05
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

 

 

Hi Heinz,

Sorry, wiser heads than mine set it up. When we bought the boat they were supposed to be linked, and were but not functioning. The broker seemed aware of this and had an experienced captain on the sea trials and he sorted it out. The problem was the "names". You had to have the right "name" entered in both units, so the units could recognise each other and grant permission to link to the name. I remember that he had to alter the name of one or the other and then it was good. Clearly that is a key. The other thing is there is an item between the two which is driven by 120v so I have to have my 120v inverter on for the link to function. I had a new radar installed and the fitter could't understand why this was done but he left it as is saying, its working lets not mess with that. He could not see why 12 v couldn't be used. I am many things but an electronics expert I am not. If you want me to I could talk to him to get more information. He has retired now but he lives locally. To add to the conversation we have, and have had for all our ownership, a full range of Raymarine ST 60+ instruments and auto helm. They do all we want, 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 10 November 2017 at 07:58 "Heinz Stutenbäumer heinz@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

 

Hi Dany

 

It's nice to hear from someone who can connect the old Furono radar to a plotter.

Do you have sketches or photos of how you connected it?

Thank you Heinz

 

Von: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. November 2017 18:55
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: Re: AW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

 

 

Hi,

We have a Furuno radar at the nav station. It is linked to the Furuno plotter at the helm and can display in various modes there. Full  screen, split screen and over lay. Works well. When doing crossings we have it on split screen at night.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl  

On 09 November 2017 at 15:16 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

 

Heinz,

 

We kept our original AutoHelm autopilot as an installed working back up to our newer, smarter B&G autopilot.  The Autohelm has its own electronic compass, and receives wind data in the same way as it originally did, from the Hydra 0183 output.  It does not receive GPS data, but I never tried to interface it in that way since I never ask my auto pilot to steer a GPS course.  In other words, while it works together with the other instruments, it would not be fair to say it was integrated with them.

 

The Furuno radar can not send radar data to any other device.  It can, in theory, receive some data on heading and waypoints over 0183 but it requires an obsolete connector that I could never find.

 

I have attached a schematic of the new things that have been added to our boat.  The original wiring isn't completely shown, even if it is still being used.  Just haven't had time to do that too!

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL

 

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi Bill and all,

I am relatively new to the group and have been a proud owner of a SM 2000 for about a year now.

 

I'm up to do something similar with my SY Quetzal.

I want to install new instruments and I will install a forward scan.

 

I'd be interested to see if I could join the old autopilot.

Also a connection to the ld and good working Furono Radar would inspire me.

 

Are there any pictures you could send to me?

I'd be grateful for any information.

Also from other participants of the group.

 

I fly to Martinique on the 18th and will then start work and do some Fotos.

Thank you for every letter,

and forgive my poor English

 

Always fare winds.

Heinz Stutenbäumer

Quetzal SM 2000 No. 292

 

heinz@...

  

 

 


 

 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Heinz,

Sorry, wiser heads than mine set it up. When we bought the boat they were supposed to be linked, and were but not functioning. The broker seemed aware of this and had an experienced captain on the sea trials and he sorted it out. The problem was the "names". You had to have the right "name" entered in both units, so the units could recognise each other and grant permission to link to the name. I remember that he had to alter the name of one or the other and then it was good. Clearly that is a key. The other thing is there is an item between the two which is driven by 120v so I have to have my 120v inverter on for the link to function. I had a new radar installed and the fitter could't understand why this was done but he left it as is saying, its working lets not mess with that. He could not see why 12 v couldn't be used. I am many things but an electronics expert I am not. If you want me to I could talk to him to get more information. He has retired now but he lives locally. To add to the conversation we have, and have had for all our ownership, a full range of Raymarine ST 60+ instruments and auto helm. They do all we want, 

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 10 November 2017 at 07:58 "Heinz Stutenbäumer heinz@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi Dany

 

It's nice to hear from someone who can connect the old Furono radar to a plotter.

Do you have sketches or photos of how you connected it?

Thank you Heinz

 

Von: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. November 2017 18:55
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: Re: AW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

 

 

Hi,

We have a Furuno radar at the nav station. It is linked to the Furuno plotter at the helm and can display in various modes there. Full  screen, split screen and over lay. Works well. When doing crossings we have it on split screen at night.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl  

On 09 November 2017 at 15:16 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Heinz,

 

We kept our original AutoHelm autopilot as an installed working back up to our newer, smarter B&G autopilot.  The Autohelm has its own electronic compass, and receives wind data in the same way as it originally did, from the Hydra 0183 output.  It does not receive GPS data, but I never tried to interface it in that way since I never ask my auto pilot to steer a GPS course.  In other words, while it works together with the other instruments, it would not be fair to say it was integrated with them.

 

The Furuno radar can not send radar data to any other device.  It can, in theory, receive some data on heading and waypoints over 0183 but it requires an obsolete connector that I could never find.

 

I have attached a schematic of the new things that have been added to our boat.  The original wiring isn't completely shown, even if it is still being used.  Just haven't had time to do that too!

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL

 

---In amelyachtowners@..., <heinz@...> wrote :

Hi Bill and all,

I am relatively new to the group and have been a proud owner of a SM 2000 for about a year now.

 

I'm up to do something similar with my SY Quetzal.

I want to install new instruments and I will install a forward scan.

 

I'd be interested to see if I could join the old autopilot.

Also a connection to the ld and good working Furono Radar would inspire me.

 

Are there any pictures you could send to me?

I'd be grateful for any information.

Also from other participants of the group.

 

I fly to Martinique on the 18th and will then start work and do some Fotos.

Thank you for every letter,

and forgive my poor English

 

Always fare winds.

Heinz Stutenbäumer

Quetzal SM 2000 No. 292

 

heinz@...

  

 

 


 

 

 


 


Help winterize Amel SM 2000 in US

qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@...
 

Hello,


and thank you for the answers to find a high quality rope for our boat. 


We are looking for a very experienced AMEL SM 2000 owner or previous AMEL SM 2000 owner, who can help us to winterize our boat in the US, Chesapeake Bay. 

Actually it seams difficult for us to fly in from Europe.  We are in a Marina with a very good and experienced Boatyard, but like we all know, an AMEL owner knows the AMEL much better.


If someone could help us, or could recommend someone please contact us.


Oliver

SV JoEmi

SM 2000 No. 397


  

  


Re: leech length on mizzen ballooner on 54

webercardio@...
 

Jeff
the Mizzen ballooner is 12,6 meter x 11,65 meter x 6,0 meter.
I  have a " Black Box Bergeschlauch"  from  Quatumsails - length  11,8 m , paid 385 ,-€ .
The system works fine

Good sailing to all. 
Wolfgang Weber SY ELISE Amel 54 # 162 ( marina di Ragusa /Sicily )
next week in Florida


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

Hi Dany

 

It's nice to hear from someone who can connect the old Furono radar to a plotter.

Do you have sketches or photos of how you connected it?

Thank you Heinz

 

Von: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. November 2017 18:55
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: Re: AW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

 

 

Hi,

We have a Furuno radar at the nav station. It is linked to the Furuno plotter at the helm and can display in various modes there. Full  screen, split screen and over lay. Works well. When doing crossings we have it on split screen at night.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl  

On 09 November 2017 at 15:16 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

 

 

Heinz,

 

We kept our original AutoHelm autopilot as an installed working back up to our newer, smarter B&G autopilot.  The Autohelm has its own electronic compass, and receives wind data in the same way as it originally did, from the Hydra 0183 output.  It does not receive GPS data, but I never tried to interface it in that way since I never ask my auto pilot to steer a GPS course.  In other words, while it works together with the other instruments, it would not be fair to say it was integrated with them.

 

The Furuno radar can not send radar data to any other device.  It can, in theory, receive some data on heading and waypoints over 0183 but it requires an obsolete connector that I could never find.

 

I have attached a schematic of the new things that have been added to our boat.  The original wiring isn't completely shown, even if it is still being used.  Just haven't had time to do that too!

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL

 

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hi Bill and all,

I am relatively new to the group and have been a proud owner of a SM 2000 for about a year now.

 

I'm up to do something similar with my SY Quetzal.

I want to install new instruments and I will install a forward scan.

 

I'd be interested to see if I could join the old autopilot.

Also a connection to the ld and good working Furono Radar would inspire me.

 

Are there any pictures you could send to me?

I'd be grateful for any information.

Also from other participants of the group.

 

I fly to Martinique on the 18th and will then start work and do some Fotos.

Thank you for every letter,

and forgive my poor English

 

Always fare winds.

Heinz Stutenbäumer

Quetzal SM 2000 No. 292

 

heinz@...

  

 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement [1 Attachment]

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,

We have a Furuno radar at the nav station. It is linked to the Furuno plotter at the helm and can display in various modes there. Full  screen, split screen and over lay. Works well. When doing crossings we have it on split screen at night.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl  

On 09 November 2017 at 15:16 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Heinz,

We kept our original AutoHelm autopilot as an installed working back up to our newer, smarter B&G autopilot.  The Autohelm has its own electronic compass, and receives wind data in the same way as it originally did, from the Hydra 0183 output.  It does not receive GPS data, but I never tried to interface it in that way since I never ask my auto pilot to steer a GPS course.  In other words, while it works together with the other instruments, it would not be fair to say it was integrated with them.

The Furuno radar can not send radar data to any other device.  It can, in theory, receive some data on heading and waypoints over 0183 but it requires an obsolete connector that I could never find.

I have attached a schematic of the new things that have been added to our boat.  The original wiring isn't completely shown, even if it is still being used.  Just haven't had time to do that too!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL

---In amelyachtowners@..., <heinz@...> wrote :

Hi Bill and all,

I am relatively new to the group and have been a proud owner of a SM 2000 for about a year now.

 

I'm up to do something similar with my SY Quetzal.

I want to install new instruments and I will install a forward scan.

 

I'd be interested to see if I could join the old autopilot.

Also a connection to the ld and good working Furono Radar would inspire me.

 

Are there any pictures you could send to me?

I'd be grateful for any information.

Also from other participants of the group.

 

I fly to Martinique on the 18th and will then start work and do some Fotos.

Thank you for every letter,

and forgive my poor English

 

Always fare winds.

Heinz Stutenbäumer

Quetzal SM 2000 No. 292

 

heinz@...

  

 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

Stephen Davis
 

My 2 cents worth...2 days ago we were slowly navigating down a remote uncharted bay in the less traveled Eastern San Blas of Panama. We were using the the Eric Bauhaus charts from "The Panama Cruisers Guide". His chart indicated 15 meters, and we were indicating 54' on the sounder just creeping along. We went from 54' to hitting something and coming to a rapid stop in the blink of an eye. We were able to back off, and immediately showed 54' again. The water was brown, and Liz was spotting on the bow with no indication that anything was ahead of us. Fortunately, we were going slow, and other than some scratches on the iron part of the keel, no harm done. 

Moral of the story is a functional forward looking sonar may have prevented this, and giving me the confidence to continue instead of turning around as we did. I have used an old interphase unit many years ago in Hawaii, and even with the older technology, I found it very useful. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Puerto Lindo, Panama

On Nov 9, 2017, at 10:45, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Pat,


I have not installed forward scanning sonar.  At least, not yet.

It has been a quite a while since I last evaluated forward sonars, so my comments might be very out of date.... The ability to actually display something I felt I could easily interpret in real time at a useful level of precision didn't impress me.  The times we bump bottom we are going from 6.9 feet to 6.5, not from 40 feet to 5 feet. I know some people swear by them, so there is utility there I am not seeing.

Double that on the power usage of the 3G radar!  We routinely leave the radar on at sea now.  One of the downsides people have listed about the broadband radars is that they are not as good at rain/squall detection.  I don't see it.  On our trip down here we were regularly seeing rather light squall activity well before the rain started to fall to the surface. For weather tracking and avoidance at sea, the 3G certainly meets my needs, even if it can't pick out a spot of drizzle at 20 miles!

It was good to meet you,

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL




---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill, Due to a lightning strike we had every instrument on the boat replaced from tv antenna to ssb , everything. I chose to go with all B&G , 12 inch plotter at the helm and a 9 in. at the nav . station. I opted for the Forward Scan , it seemed erratic , with the image of the bottom spiking up and down , while in an area with a flat bottom (Chesapeake Bay ) . I could place no faith in it to accurately depict what was in front of me. I installed a new transducer , as suggested by a B&G rep. , I have yet been able to test it out, and will be hauling the boat asap . My question, do you find the forward scan to accurately depict an image of the bottom , or is the image erratic , showing the bottom depth shoot up and down. I thought that perhaps the mud bottom we have here does not reflect well and maybe it works better in a sand / coral  bottom . I also really like the radar and it uses very little power . It was nice to meet you in Annapolis.

Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

greatketch@...
 

Pat,

I have not installed forward scanning sonar.  At least, not yet.

It has been a quite a while since I last evaluated forward sonars, so my comments might be very out of date.... The ability to actually display something I felt I could easily interpret in real time at a useful level of precision didn't impress me.  The times we bump bottom we are going from 6.9 feet to 6.5, not from 40 feet to 5 feet. I know some people swear by them, so there is utility there I am not seeing.

Double that on the power usage of the 3G radar!  We routinely leave the radar on at sea now.  One of the downsides people have listed about the broadband radars is that they are not as good at rain/squall detection.  I don't see it.  On our trip down here we were regularly seeing rather light squall activity well before the rain started to fall to the surface. For weather tracking and avoidance at sea, the 3G certainly meets my needs, even if it can't pick out a spot of drizzle at 20 miles!

It was good to meet you,

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL




---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

Bill, Due to a lightning strike we had every instrument on the boat replaced from tv antenna to ssb , everything. I chose to go with all B&G , 12 inch plotter at the helm and a 9 in. at the nav . station. I opted for the Forward Scan , it seemed erratic , with the image of the bottom spiking up and down , while in an area with a flat bottom (Chesapeake Bay ) . I could place no faith in it to accurately depict what was in front of me. I installed a new transducer , as suggested by a B&G rep. , I have yet been able to test it out, and will be hauling the boat asap . My question, do you find the forward scan to accurately depict an image of the bottom , or is the image erratic , showing the bottom depth shoot up and down. I thought that perhaps the mud bottom we have here does not reflect well and maybe it works better in a sand / coral  bottom . I also really like the radar and it uses very little power . It was nice to meet you in Annapolis.

Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, Due to a lightning strike we had every instrument on the boat replaced from tv antenna to ssb , everything. I chose to go with all B&G , 12 inch plotter at the helm and a 9 in. at the nav . station. I opted for the Forward Scan , it seemed erratic , with the image of the bottom spiking up and down , while in an area with a flat bottom (Chesapeake Bay ) . I could place no faith in it to accurately depict what was in front of me. I installed a new transducer , as suggested by a B&G rep. , I have yet been able to test it out, and will be hauling the boat asap . My question, do you find the forward scan to accurately depict an image of the bottom , or is the image erratic , showing the bottom depth shoot up and down. I thought that perhaps the mud bottom we have here does not reflect well and maybe it works better in a sand / coral  bottom . I also really like the radar and it uses very little power . It was nice to meet you in Annapolis.

Thanks,
Pat 
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Wed, Nov 8, 2017 8:38 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: phased electronics replacement

 

The Furuno radar never really interfaced with anything else. It worked, but didn't send or receive data to anything else in a useful way. It was a nice radar, but I find the new broadband radars are significantly better and easier to use for those times we find the radar most important. If the Furuno had kept working, we'd probably still have it.

The 3G unit from B&G (Navico) has no display of its own, it uses the MFD.

We installed a 12 inch monitor at the helm. I find that bigger is always better... and 
12 inch is as big as I can fit comfortably.  I am happy with it.  My old boat had a 7 in, and that was too small.  When I first was setting up the 12 inch unit with it's Navpod I was worried a bit about obstructing the view forward.  In the real world, it does not.  

It is not unusual that we run it in split screen mode (Chart/sounder, Chart/radar, radar/sounder. Chart/instrument, etc) so that 12 inch screen that might seem extravagant at first gets used a lot.

One thing I left out of our setup, was the Navico wifi.  That lets us echo the chartplotter display to an iPad anywhere on the boat.  Not QUITE as good as having two chartplotters, but very close!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
LMC, Fort Lauderdale, FL

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill,

Thanks for shari ng your electronics plan/setup!

One question though, did the Furuno radar interface with your B&G Zeus?  You mentioned you replaced it when it died and it sounded like that was after you installed the Zeus.  That would lower the entry price if I could just replace the chartplotter at the helm with one that had wifi, and could be picked up on a laptop below.

Oh, one more question, what size monitor did you put at the helm and are you happy with the size?

Thanks again!
Duane
Wanderer


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

Craig Briggs
 

Yes, Bill, as I said, "the plastic caps/plugs are fine". Perhaps as annoying is the failure of the finish, as some have pointed out. I recall Kent had some of his parts powder coated. Better yet, as Joel encourages, use that water maker and rinse off the seawater as often as possible.
Cheers, Craig


---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

Craig, et al,

I had a slight amount of dissimilar metal corrosion between the stainless steel grease fittings and the cast aluminum gearbox housing. Using plastic/nylon/delrin screws/bolts is a good idea if you want to keep it looking good.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550



On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 12:27 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,

Sorry we missed you - have you headed south? We're in Ft Pierce for a bit.
The plastic caps/plugs are fine, although grease fittings always bathed in, er, grease, are not prime candidates for corrosion :-)  
Cheers, Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com, <john.biohead@...> wrote :

Hi Craig,
   We saw your boat at Oriental NC,  but couldn't find you before we left.  
I too was surprised that the cooling fins did not interfere with the mast.  I was prepared to grind them off,  which isn't too big of a job as it is aluminium and easy to take off metal.  

I agree with you on the zirc fittings,  if my original gears had fittings they would still be on the boat.  Bill R,  cautioned to replace fittings with plastic caps when not greasing to prevent galvanic corrosion.    

   Regards,  John

SV Annie. SM 37.


On Nov 7, 2017 8:22 AM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
 

hi John,

As I noted, you do have to grind the fins on the SN, Sounds like the SM mast section is a bit bigger.
And, Ian, I had to remove the boom and use a hydraulic bench press to remove the shaft from the line tender. Since it has a woodruff key I did sand it down a fraction when I reinstalled it so next time should be easier. Also, you'll want a proper drill press with long bits to drill the holes. Also, since you'll be opening the unit the factory gear oil will seep out - suggest using grease on reassembly and add Zerk fittings for periodic maintenance. I never had much luck with the paint lasting very long, but your technique sounds good, Wonder if a 2-part like Awlgrip might be more durable. I had though of having it powder coated but didn't want to remove the rubber plug and seals.
Good luck with it,
Craig SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com, <john.biohead@...> wrote :

Hi All,
   I replaced both outhaul and mainsail furler bonfig  gearboxes and did not have to grind down either one.  Both were bolt on replacement.

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37

On Nov 6, 2017 6:24 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
 

For information, I have 2 NEW Bonfiglioli for sale.
http://nikimat.com/parts_for_ sale/bonfiglioli_model_vf44_ p1_70_p63_b14_b370_1_ reduction.html

Preferably pick up in Sint Maarten, but can ship.

Sincerely, Alexandre

------------------------------ --------------

On Mon, 11/6/17, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 6, 2017, 3:11 PM


 









Just about to fit 2 new Bonfiglios. Grinding one
down to fit was easy as it is aluminium or something very
similar. Then you need to paint it. I used an aluminium
etching primer and the two or three one part top coats.

Not anticipating an easy job with the Anderson separation,
but I’ve got everyone’s notes to hand!



Ian



Ocean Hobo SN 96 (back in Grenada at last)










--


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Craig, et al,

I had a slight amount of dissimilar metal corrosion between the stainless steel grease fittings and the cast aluminum gearbox housing. Using plastic/nylon/delrin screws/bolts is a good idea if you want to keep it looking good.
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550



On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 12:27 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

John,

Sorry we missed you - have you headed south? We're in Ft Pierce for a bit.
The plastic caps/plugs are fine, although grease fittings always bathed in, er, grease, are not prime candidates for corrosion :-)  
Cheers, Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Hi Craig,
   We saw your boat at Oriental NC,  but couldn't find you before we left.  
I too was surprised that the cooling fins did not interfere with the mast.  I was prepared to grind them off,  which isn't too big of a job as it is aluminium and easy to take off metal.  

I agree with you on the zirc fittings,  if my original gears had fittings they would still be on the boat.  Bill R,  cautioned to replace fittings with plastic caps when not greasing to prevent galvanic corrosion.    

   Regards,  John

SV Annie. SM 37.


On Nov 7, 2017 8:22 AM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

hi John,

As I noted, you do have to grind the fins on the SN, Sounds like the SM mast section is a bit bigger.
And, Ian, I had to remove the boom and use a hydraulic bench press to remove the shaft from the line tender. Since it has a woodruff key I did sand it down a fraction when I reinstalled it so next time should be easier. Also, you'll want a proper drill press with long bits to drill the holes. Also, since you'll be opening the unit the factory gear oil will seep out - suggest using grease on reassembly and add Zerk fittings for periodic maintenance. I never had much luck with the paint lasting very long, but your technique sounds good, Wonder if a 2-part like Awlgrip might be more durable. I had though of having it powder coated but didn't want to remove the rubber plug and seals.
Good luck with it,
Craig SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com, wrote :

Hi All,
   I replaced both outhaul and mainsail furler bonfig  gearboxes and did not have to grind down either one.  Both were bolt on replacement.

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37

On Nov 6, 2017 6:24 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
 

For information, I have 2 NEW Bonfiglioli for sale.
http://nikimat.com/parts_for_ sale/bonfiglioli_model_vf44_ p1_70_p63_b14_b370_1_ reduction.html

Preferably pick up in Sint Maarten, but can ship.

Sincerely, Alexandre

------------------------------ --------------

On Mon, 11/6/17, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 6, 2017, 3:11 PM


 









Just about to fit 2 new Bonfiglios. Grinding one
down to fit was easy as it is aluminium or something very
similar. Then you need to paint it. I used an aluminium
etching primer and the two or three one part top coats.

Not anticipating an easy job with the Anderson separation,
but I’ve got everyone’s notes to hand!



Ian



Ocean Hobo SN 96 (back in Grenada at last)










--


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences

Craig Briggs
 

John,
Sorry we missed you - have you headed south? We're in Ft Pierce for a bit.
The plastic caps/plugs are fine, although grease fittings always bathed in, er, grease, are not prime candidates for corrosion :-)  
Cheers, Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <john.biohead@...> wrote :

Hi Craig,
   We saw your boat at Oriental NC,  but couldn't find you before we left.  
I too was surprised that the cooling fins did not interfere with the mast.  I was prepared to grind them off,  which isn't too big of a job as it is aluminium and easy to take off metal.  

I agree with you on the zirc fittings,  if my original gears had fittings they would still be on the boat.  Bill R,  cautioned to replace fittings with plastic caps when not greasing to prevent galvanic corrosion.    

   Regards,  John

SV Annie. SM 37.


On Nov 7, 2017 8:22 AM, "sangaris@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

hi John,

As I noted, you do have to grind the fins on the SN, Sounds like the SM mast section is a bit bigger.
And, Ian, I had to remove the boom and use a hydraulic bench press to remove the shaft from the line tender. Since it has a woodruff key I did sand it down a fraction when I reinstalled it so next time should be easier. Also, you'll want a proper drill press with long bits to drill the holes. Also, since you'll be opening the unit the factory gear oil will seep out - suggest using grease on reassembly and add Zerk fittings for periodic maintenance. I never had much luck with the paint lasting very long, but your technique sounds good, Wonder if a 2-part like Awlgrip might be more durable. I had though of having it powder coated but didn't want to remove the rubber plug and seals.
Good luck with it,
Craig SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com, <john.biohead@...> wrote :

Hi All,
   I replaced both outhaul and mainsail furler bonfig  gearboxes and did not have to grind down either one.  Both were bolt on replacement.

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37

On Nov 6, 2017 6:24 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
 

For information, I have 2 NEW Bonfiglioli for sale.
http://nikimat.com/parts_for_ sale/bonfiglioli_model_vf44_ p1_70_p63_b14_b370_1_ reduction.html

Preferably pick up in Sint Maarten, but can ship.

Sincerely, Alexandre

------------------------------ --------------

On Mon, 11/6/17, Ian parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Furling Gearbox Differences
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, November 6, 2017, 3:11 PM


 









Just about to fit 2 new Bonfiglios. Grinding one
down to fit was easy as it is aluminium or something very
similar. Then you need to paint it. I used an aluminium
etching primer and the two or three one part top coats.

Not anticipating an easy job with the Anderson separation,
but I’ve got everyone’s notes to hand!



Ian



Ocean Hobo SN 96 (back in Grenada at last)