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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hard deposits on 8-month old water heater heating unit

greatketch@...
 


Lifeline makes an AGM Group 31 standard battery that is the same dimensions as the flooded Group 31 cells that were installed by Amel and is rated at 105 A-hrs. (Model number GPL-31T)

They also make a Group 31 that has the same external dimensions, is significantly heavier (by about 5 kgs each) , and is rated at 125A-hrs (Model number GPL-31XT)

We have the 125A-hr versions on board Harmonie.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ



---In amelyachtowners@..., <ianjudyjenkins@...> wrote :

Hi Bill ,  interested to hear of your AGM batteries . Are they 105Ah each ? Same dimensions as the normal ones that Amel fit ? 
Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302 , Santo Stefanie , Italy



Re: Jib Furler problem with partly furled sail

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Duane,

Correct on all counts...yes "C" shaped is what I mean.
I don't recall the actual thickness of the plates but I believe it was only about 2mm, just enough to make the slots work properly.
If the Clutch pin is stiff (it should be hard to pull up, but spring back easily), you'll need to disassemble it and clean everything.

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Jib Furler problem with partly furled sail

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi, without being at my boat to look at it a question. Why not just drill a new hole for the pin in a different place.
Danny
SM 299
Ocean Pearl

Sent from my Vodafone Smart

On 19 Jun 2017 18:13, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Alan,


I removed the upper furler assembly, and the clutch pin spring is very stiff.  The plate with the holes that receive the clutch pin though are worn, so that seems to be the problem. 

I like your solution, so if you don't mind I have a few questions:

1.  By semi-circular, I assume you mean they were shaped like a "C"?  That is, half of a donut?

2.  Did you put the new plates on top of the old?  On the drawing in the files section there appears to be some space between the upper furler assembly (with the part where the rope for the manual furler goes) and the lower assembly that has the plate receiving the clutch pin.  Do you recall what thickness plate you used?  

3.  I assume you countersunk the new "small bolts" that connect the new plate to the old?

Thanks,
Duane



Re: Jib Furler problem with partly furled sail

Duane Siegfri
 

Alan,

I removed the upper furler assembly, and the clutch pin spring is very stiff.  The plate with the holes that receive the clutch pin though are worn, so that seems to be the problem. 

I like your solution, so if you don't mind I have a few questions:

1.  By semi-circular, I assume you mean they were shaped like a "C"?  That is, half of a donut?

2.  Did you put the new plates on top of the old?  On the drawing in the files section there appears to be some space between the upper furler assembly (with the part where the rope for the manual furler goes) and the lower assembly that has the plate receiving the clutch pin.  Do you recall what thickness plate you used?  

3.  I assume you countersunk the new "small bolts" that connect the new plate to the old?

Thanks,
Duane



Re: No Stop, then No Start on Yanmar 4JH3-HTE

Duane Siegfri
 

Eric,

One more test:'

7.  I set my ACE Multi-meter for continuity and connected to the solenoid pigtail and the battery negative cable at the solenoid (on the battery side).  Note that the stop button wire was disconnected from the solenoid pigtail.
    A.  With the key on no continuity.
    B.  With the key on and the Stop Button Pushed instead of sounding a tone to show continuity it read 5.4.  The instruction manual for the meter says the tone will sound if the resistance is less than 150 ohms.
    C.  Just crossing the leads it reads 0.4 and the tone sounds.

    So there is some continuity from the positive wire on the solenoid...

Also note that there is only one wire to the stop solenoid, the block must be the ground when the stop button is pushed.

Duane


Re: No Stop, then No Start on Yanmar 4JH3-HTE

Duane Siegfri
 

Eric,

This morning I did a variety of checks.  

1.  Start Battery Voltage at the engine battery cables: 12.7V

2.  Voltage across the Stop Button with the key on = 11.4V measured at the back of the button

3.  Voltage across the Stop Button with the key on and the Stop button pushed = sometimes 0V but more often 0.02V or 0.03 Volts.

4.  Voltage at the pigtail to the Stop Solenoid with the Stop Button engaged = 9.8V (before or after diode)

5.  Diode:  I did a variety of checks, basically because I'm over my head testing diodes!  With an Extech "True RMS Multimeter 430" I got a 0.598 M-Ohms testing in the direction of flow ( Red ---[>|---Black) and 36.8 M-Ohms in the opposite direction (Black --[>|---Red).  I also tested with the ACE Hardware Multi-meter on the Diode setting and got a voltage drop of 0.484mV in the direction of flow and 1mV in the other direction.

But based on the voltage test in #4, since the voltage is the same before and after the diode, wouldn't the diode have to be good?

6.  I jumped from the positive battery cable on the stbd side of the engine to the Stop Solenoid and tried to start the engine...no go.  With the pigtail to the Stop solenoid disconected, I tried to start the engine...no go.

It seems to my electrically deficient education, that the stop solenoid has failed.  Would you agree?

Thanks very much!
Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


---In amelyachtowners@..., <kimberlite@...> wrote :

Duane,

I have the injector pump overhaul manual on Kimberlite.

I will be on board Thursday afternoon. If you will send me a reminder note I will see how easily the stop solenoid can be removed. If it is simple. I would suggest trying 12 volts on it and seeing what happens, also check the solenoid for continuity. If that does not do the trick let me see what has to be done to repair the solenoid. It could just be gummed up and needs a cleaning.

I have a few other thoughts as to what can be wrong with the stop solenoid system but I need to see the manual.

Kimberlite is in St Maarten I am in Ny today.

.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 6:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: No Stop, then No Start on Yanmar 4JH3-HTE

 

 

Eric,

 

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure about the 24 volts. You're right, it should be 12 volts.  A fellow boater who's a EE volunteered to help.  He pulled the shrinkwrap off the wire going to the stop solenoid on the fuel injector pump and put one lead on it and the other on the negative at the solenoid that breaks the negative.  I thought he said he got 24 volts, but it may have been 12.  I'll double check that tomorrow morning and let you know.

 

We're in Brunswick, GA currently.

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Frigoboat Fridge Door Seal for Super Maramu 2000

Duane Siegfri
 

Kent,

Mine measure 5/8", but that's after 12 years of use.  

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Seeking an Amel Super Maramu

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Congratulations Chris,

Welcome to a great family!


Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA





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On Fri, 6/16/17, rettirc@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Seeking an Amel Super Maramu
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, June 16, 2017, 8:06 AM


 









Everything has finally paid off, we have concluded
our search for a Super Maramu, we are in contract to
purchase "Lena S", SM224, she is a 1998
boat.
We plan to start the
adventures in the later half of July, she is located in
Phuket, Thailand.There is quite a long list of
jobs that we intend to do, so i look forward to any
suggestions and helpful hints.
We are undecided on the name, but
likely to leave it as "Lena" and probably register
her Australian flag.
Some of the things we are planning
short term are replacing the standing and running rigging,
maybe a new main and genoa.  Just want to check spare main
and headsail first.
I
need to also order a Raymarine radar antenna/scanner. 2 or
4KW?  Size? 24"?  Pros/cons?
Lots to think about and plan over
the next month, not to mention pack up all of our household
belongings and find some sort of storage.
We are a family of 4 with 2 boys
aged 3 and 4.  Not sure about itinerary but likely stay in
Thailand for 2-3 months and ease into living onboard without
any stress of long passages.  this time shall also be used
to bring the vessel up to standard and work out what
equipment we need.
Lots to do, but very exciting.
 
Chris
Shiels+61 424 521 357


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hard deposits on 8-month old water heater heating unit

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi Bill ,  interested to hear of your AGM batteries . Are they 105Ah each ? Same dimensions as the normal ones that Amel fit ? 
Ian and Judy , Pen Azen , SM 302 , Santo Stefanie , Italy


On 18 Jun 2017, at 18:35, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

On the old boat I had four 6V 220A-Hr batteries.  Even the 12 caps to check was a pain, because they wen't easy to check or fill.

On Harmonie we have Lifeline AGM batteries.  Six years old now, and still within 5% of their rated capacity--and no watering to do.  To say we are happy with them would be an understatement.  If I had to check 48 cells for water level I would be looking at an automatic watering system for sure!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat Fridge Door Seal for Super Maramu 2000

karkauai
 

Hi all,
I'm back on the trail of some new gasket material for my two under-seat fridge/freezer boxes in the saloon.  I'm having trouble finding a simple D-profile of the correct size.  I went back and read Bill K's post and it looks like his seals were only 5/16" high.  I'm not on the boat right now, but I remember thinking that the ones on Kristy were more like 3/4" high.  I have found some DProfile seals that are 1" wide and 1/2" high.
Can anyone confirm the height of the seals on their boxes for me?

Thanks,
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: No Stop, then No Start on Yanmar 4JH3-HTE

eric freedman
 

Duane,

I have the injector pump overhaul manual on Kimberlite.

I will be on board Thursday afternoon. If you will send me a reminder note I will see how easily the stop solenoid can be removed. If it is simple. I would suggest trying 12 volts on it and seeing what happens, also check the solenoid for continuity. If that does not do the trick let me see what has to be done to repair the solenoid. It could just be gummed up and needs a cleaning.

I have a few other thoughts as to what can be wrong with the stop solenoid system but I need to see the manual.

Kimberlite is in St Maarten I am in Ny today.

.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 6:56 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: No Stop, then No Start on Yanmar 4JH3-HTE

 

 

Eric,

 

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure about the 24 volts. You're right, it should be 12 volts.  A fellow boater who's a EE volunteered to help.  He pulled the shrinkwrap off the wire going to the stop solenoid on the fuel injector pump and put one lead on it and the other on the negative at the solenoid that breaks the negative.  I thought he said he got 24 volts, but it may have been 12.  I'll double check that tomorrow morning and let you know.

 

We're in Brunswick, GA currently.

 

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Seeking an Amel Super Maramu

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Chris

Congrats on your purchase and welcome to the Amel club. Nice to have another Amel to be based in Australia sometime in the future. 

We are in Cairns now, and headed into Indonesia in July till approx October/Nov then headed up towards Thailand via Singapore and Malaysia by Christmas, so may bump into you sometime. You can find us on Skipr by going to our website and under "contact us" go down to "where are we now" and click on the link. We tend to update that first when we get internet coverage. The website is still under construction but you can track us there.

In terms of the radar we crossed the Atlantic with just the original Amel supplied Furuno which is based at the nav station. Whilst that is a good radar, and sees 36 n. miles out, it uses a fair amount of power and was a real nuisance to have to go below to keep checking it on pitch black moonless nights. Technology has certainly moved on since!.

Because that radar still works perfectly we kept it as backup and placed a 2nd scanner just 1m below it on the mizzen. What we have done is gone for the new Raymarine Quantum, plus an ES97 Raymarine chart plotter and Raymarine 650 AIS. This (24 mile only) radar is simply outstanding and uses hardly any power at all. Best of all we can pick up mooring buoys, channel markers, small canoes etc as clearly as can be, so no longer have any fear sailing without visability. The Radar is now always on (as an overlay) when we are day sailing, and when night sailing we split the screen to see the chart on one side and the radar only on the other. (see some of our night sailing brief video clips (eg crossing Gladstone port) on FB via the website below). This gives you a great set of electronic eyes as clear as can be on pitch black moonless night, something we would have loved crossing the Atlantic in 2012.

Of course you can go for any product out there, as they are probably all pretty similar really, but having tried all the brandsin the past, we keep coming back to Raymarine (personal preference only based on our experience).

In terms of 24 miles vs 48 miles we sail 98% of the time on 4, 6, 8 miles settings as we see little point in looking further except for when making landfalls and seeing how far it is. Personally we would not bother with a larger scanner but still have the 36 mile original one if need be, but never use it now.

Sorry can't help regarding the SSB plug, other than to say we found a new one for our ICOM SSB online in China by simply searching for it on google. That arrived inside 2 weeks, was cheap, and works perfectly.

Best of luck and hope we see you out there somewhere.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel53 #332. (Cairns till 29 June)




On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:38 PM, rettirc@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Once I get the aircon working, (amongst other things) I need to replace the Raymarine SL80c plotters' Radome/radar antenna. I need advice whether to search for a 2 or 4kw radar? (18 or 24") scanner.  Is it really worth going for the bigger unit?  Pros/cons, what is standard?  

I have used radar extensively in the past but much larger units.  Is a 2kw unit sufficient?  Is it cluttered with all of the rigging?

Anther item on the list is trying to find a new plug for the handset on the SSB, it is a Furuno 1550.  It is a 6 pin plug, any suggestions for sources?

There is a job list a mile long and growing, trying to source as much as l can before we leave Australia. 
Chris




--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


Re: No Stop, then No Start on Yanmar 4JH3-HTE

Duane Siegfri
 

Eric,

Now that you mention it, I'm not sure about the 24 volts. You're right, it should be 12 volts.  A fellow boater who's a EE volunteered to help.  He pulled the shrinkwrap off the wire going to the stop solenoid on the fuel injector pump and put one lead on it and the other on the negative at the solenoid that breaks the negative.  I thought he said he got 24 volts, but it may have been 12.  I'll double check that tomorrow morning and let you know.

We're in Brunswick, GA currently.

Duane
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Seeking an Amel Super Maramu

Sheriffdep
 

John,

Would have loved to see this refit going on. BUT...... I am back in AFG for the next year. Then purchase, then sail. :)

Just getting research done. Last year I had purchased a Aston Martin DB9 that my father has taken loving care of for the past year, but is scared to drive it. (mostly worried that something will happen). So I took the opportunity for looking at a yacht to take him down there and have a nice ride and enjoy the car also. He liked the 200ft UK registered sailboat the best (was tied up on Ashely bridge side of Charleston at the time. Was a nice short trip and 83 degree day. Bet you wish those were back. 

Hope all goes well,

Andrew
 
Andrew L Prentice
843-450-3141
240 Portrush Loop
PO Box 1691
Pawleys Island, SC 29585
Intelligence Analyst/Law Enforcement Professional United States



From: "John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Seeking an Amel Super Maramu

 
Good deal Andrew,
   Having a "hard deadline" does help you stay on track and keep the years from slipping by, but don't let it push you into a purchase that you are not truly happy with.  I found being ready to move when the right boat comes along is important and will help close the right deal when it comes along.

  Had a family emergency come up last weekend that pulled me to NYC, but I'll be back in Charleston soon, I hope.  My SM is in Charleston at the Cooper River Marina transient dock right now.  You are welcome to visit her, though she is in the middle of a refit. My crewman Rick should be there and can give you a tour.

You might like to examine the Emek Amel (or should I say the Emek-Rouse) solar arch.  It is not yet installed but the first rate construction is evident. Also I started trialing the deck re striping on a small hatch in the cockpit.  My painting skill needs improvement but I still think that re striping yields a tremendous return in appearance.

   Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie (fmr: Vent de Soleil)  SM 37
Charleston SC 

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Andrew Prentice velocitybts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Been keeping up with these posts

John, wish I knew you were in Charleston, dammit, was home for 2x weeks in May and looked at a Beneteau 473 there. I am from Pawleys Island. Going to get a SM for sure, but Beneteau 473 or larger is the backup. I have a hard deadline on when I need to leave to sail. 

While home, I used Garmins Chartplotter GPSmap 7612 (pair of them) for offshore fishing and used radar overlays etc.... loved them and the absolute ease of use. However, in my research (I am sure whatever SM I buy will or could use a somewhat total rebuild of the electronics) the Furuno NavNet series seemed to be really user friendly and would possibly interconnect with some of the current systems in use by many SM's. Not sure but its possible the radar units might not even have to be changed out. 

I also have been researching Maretron products. This is likely what I will plan to use. Keep some of what will be on the boat, then change out what is only necessary to make better or increase the reliability of the parts, and add in what toys I might want. 


Hope this somewhat helps. 
 
Andrew L Prentice
843-450-3141
240 Portrush Loop
PO Box 1691
Pawleys Island, SC 29585
Intelligence Analyst/Law Enforcement Professional United States



From: "John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Seeking an Amel Super Maramu

 
Hi Chris,
   Congrats on Lena!   My SM came with a mixed bag of electronics that don't interact with each other.  Garmin chart plotter/AIS, Furuno radar and GPS.  The previous owner installed a new Raymarine Evo autopilot and control head which is connected to none of the above.  
I am looking at the Raymarine es78 multifunction display/chart plotter and a Raymarine Quantum radar.  The new Raymarine geear all talks to each other and can link up using built in wifi.  Makes installation so easy I can do it.  ;)

Here in the States you can buy a package deal including both the radar and es78 for $2200 USD.  

This would allow newest radar tech, chart plotter and autopilot to be combined on one screen.  The AIS would need to use a separate connection unless I got the Raymarine AIS but that is still $600...

Anyway new digital radar units use way less power any should be ok.  My old Furuno 1623 works fine and shows targets and weather reliably and consistent with observations.  New gear I expect to be better but if I were cash strapped the Furuno is fine.


Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie. (fmr Vent de Soleil)
Charleston, SC


On Jun 18, 2017 9:38 AM, "rettirc@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
 
Once I get the aircon working, (amongst other things) I need to replace the Raymarine SL80c plotters' Radome/radar antenna. I need advice whether to search for a 2 or 4kw radar? (18 or 24") scanner.  Is it really worth going for the bigger unit?  Pros/cons, what is standard?  
I have used radar extensively in the past but much larger units.  Is a 2kw unit sufficient?  Is it cluttered with all of the rigging?

Anther item on the list is trying to find a new plug for the handset on the SSB, it is a Furuno 1550.  It is a 6 pin plug, any suggestions for sources?

There is a job list a mile long and growing, trying to source as much as l can before we leave Australia. 
Chris








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Seeking an Amel Super Maramu

John Clark
 

Good deal Andrew,
   Having a "hard deadline" does help you stay on track and keep the years from slipping by, but don't let it push you into a purchase that you are not truly happy with.  I found being ready to move when the right boat comes along is important and will help close the right deal when it comes along.

  Had a family emergency come up last weekend that pulled me to NYC, but I'll be back in Charleston soon, I hope.  My SM is in Charleston at the Cooper River Marina transient dock right now.  You are welcome to visit her, though she is in the middle of a refit. My crewman Rick should be there and can give you a tour.

You might like to examine the Emek Amel (or should I say the Emek-Rouse) solar arch.  It is not yet installed but the first rate construction is evident. Also I started trialing the deck re striping on a small hatch in the cockpit.  My painting skill needs improvement but I still think that re striping yields a tremendous return in appearance.

   Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie (fmr: Vent de Soleil)  SM 37
Charleston SC 

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Andrew Prentice velocitybts@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Been keeping up with these posts

John, wish I knew you were in Charleston, dammit, was home for 2x weeks in May and looked at a Beneteau 473 there. I am from Pawleys Island. Going to get a SM for sure, but Beneteau 473 or larger is the backup. I have a hard deadline on when I need to leave to sail. 

While home, I used Garmins Chartplotter GPSmap 7612 (pair of them) for offshore fishing and used radar overlays etc.... loved them and the absolute ease of use. However, in my research (I am sure whatever SM I buy will or could use a somewhat total rebuild of the electronics) the Furuno NavNet series seemed to be really user friendly and would possibly interconnect with some of the current systems in use by many SM's. Not sure but its possible the radar units might not even have to be changed out. 

I also have been researching Maretron products. This is likely what I will plan to use. Keep some of what will be on the boat, then change out what is only necessary to make better or increase the reliability of the parts, and add in what toys I might want. 


Hope this somewhat helps. 
 
Andrew L Prentice
843-450-3141
240 Portrush Loop
PO Box 1691
Pawleys Island, SC 29585
Intelligence Analyst/Law Enforcement Professional United States



From: "John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Seeking an Amel Super Maramu

 
Hi Chris,
   Congrats on Lena!   My SM came with a mixed bag of electronics that don't interact with each other.  Garmin chart plotter/AIS, Furuno radar and GPS.  The previous owner installed a new Raymarine Evo autopilot and control head which is connected to none of the above.  
I am looking at the Raymarine es78 multifunction display/chart plotter and a Raymarine Quantum radar.  The new Raymarine geear all talks to each other and can link up using built in wifi.  Makes installation so easy I can do it.  ;)

Here in the States you can buy a package deal including both the radar and es78 for $2200 USD.  

This would allow newest radar tech, chart plotter and autopilot to be combined on one screen.  The AIS would need to use a separate connection unless I got the Raymarine AIS but that is still $600...

Anyway new digital radar units use way less power any should be ok.  My old Furuno 1623 works fine and shows targets and weather reliably and consistent with observations.  New gear I expect to be better but if I were cash strapped the Furuno is fine.


Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie. (fmr Vent de Soleil)
Charleston, SC


On Jun 18, 2017 9:38 AM, "rettirc@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Once I get the aircon working, (amongst other things) I need to replace the Raymarine SL80c plotters' Radome/radar antenna. I need advice whether to search for a 2 or 4kw radar? (18 or 24") scanner.  Is it really worth going for the bigger unit?  Pros/cons, what is standard?  
I have used radar extensively in the past but much larger units.  Is a 2kw unit sufficient?  Is it cluttered with all of the rigging?

Anther item on the list is trying to find a new plug for the handset on the SSB, it is a Furuno 1550.  It is a 6 pin plug, any suggestions for sources?

There is a job list a mile long and growing, trying to source as much as l can before we leave Australia. 
Chris






Re: Hard deposits on 8-month old water heater heating unit

greatketch@...
 

On the old boat I had four 6V 220A-Hr batteries.  Even the 12 caps to check was a pain, because they wen't easy to check or fill.

On Harmonie we have Lifeline AGM batteries.  Six years old now, and still within 5% of their rated capacity--and no watering to do.  To say we are happy with them would be an understatement.  If I had to check 48 cells for water level I would be looking at an automatic watering system for sure!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hard deposits on 8-month old water heater heating unit

greatketch@...
 

There are two specifications when running a RO membrane.  First is the pressure, and second is the flow rate.  Neither should be exceeded.  If you are processing fresh water the pressure will be MUCH lower than normal when the flow rate reaches its specified value.  On the membranes I had in my old boat they ran at just 200 PSI (14 bar) or so when making freshwater "fresher". Simply turn up the pressure very slowly until you get to the rated product water flow rate of the membrane.

My RO system manual recommends this method of operation for seawater as well:  Adjust the pressure to get the rated flow rate, as long as it is below 60 bar.  Product flow rate at a given pressure varies a lot with water salinity and temperature. If the feed water is very warm, and not very salty, you will push too much through the membrane at full pressure which stresses the membrane and can lead to clogging as the reject water becomes concentrated enough for salts to precipitate on the membrane surface.  They also specifically warn that lower than rated product water flow rates do not make the membrane last longer, nor do they give better water quality.

Desalinating membranes (obviously) are not made for this kind of operation, they aren't going to be very efficient at it, but you will not hurt them if you keep the product water flow rate at rated values. The primary difference between desalinating membranes and water purification membranes is the pressures then need to withstand.

It might not be obvious, but when purifying freshwater for battery use, the "reject" water can go back to the tanks, it is only about 10% higher in salt concentration than the starting water.

And....  don't do this if your tank water has chlorine in it!

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Highlands, NJ



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Seeking an Amel Super Maramu

Sheriffdep
 

Been keeping up with these posts

John, wish I knew you were in Charleston, dammit, was home for 2x weeks in May and looked at a Beneteau 473 there. I am from Pawleys Island. Going to get a SM for sure, but Beneteau 473 or larger is the backup. I have a hard deadline on when I need to leave to sail. 

While home, I used Garmins Chartplotter GPSmap 7612 (pair of them) for offshore fishing and used radar overlays etc.... loved them and the absolute ease of use. However, in my research (I am sure whatever SM I buy will or could use a somewhat total rebuild of the electronics) the Furuno NavNet series seemed to be really user friendly and would possibly interconnect with some of the current systems in use by many SM's. Not sure but its possible the radar units might not even have to be changed out. 

I also have been researching Maretron products. This is likely what I will plan to use. Keep some of what will be on the boat, then change out what is only necessary to make better or increase the reliability of the parts, and add in what toys I might want. 


Hope this somewhat helps. 
 
Andrew L Prentice
843-450-3141
240 Portrush Loop
PO Box 1691
Pawleys Island, SC 29585
Intelligence Analyst/Law Enforcement Professional United States



From: "John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Seeking an Amel Super Maramu

 
Hi Chris,
   Congrats on Lena!   My SM came with a mixed bag of electronics that don't interact with each other.  Garmin chart plotter/AIS, Furuno radar and GPS.  The previous owner installed a new Raymarine Evo autopilot and control head which is connected to none of the above.  
I am looking at the Raymarine es78 multifunction display/chart plotter and a Raymarine Quantum radar.  The new Raymarine geear all talks to each other and can link up using built in wifi.  Makes installation so easy I can do it.  ;)

Here in the States you can buy a package deal including both the radar and es78 for $2200 USD.  

This would allow newest radar tech, chart plotter and autopilot to be combined on one screen.  The AIS would need to use a separate connection unless I got the Raymarine AIS but that is still $600...

Anyway new digital radar units use way less power any should be ok.  My old Furuno 1623 works fine and shows targets and weather reliably and consistent with observations.  New gear I expect to be better but if I were cash strapped the Furuno is fine.


Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie. (fmr Vent de Soleil)
Charleston, SC


On Jun 18, 2017 9:38 AM, "rettirc@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Once I get the aircon working, (amongst other things) I need to replace the Raymarine SL80c plotters' Radome/radar antenna. I need advice whether to search for a 2 or 4kw radar? (18 or 24") scanner.  Is it really worth going for the bigger unit?  Pros/cons, what is standard?  
I have used radar extensively in the past but much larger units.  Is a 2kw unit sufficient?  Is it cluttered with all of the rigging?

Anther item on the list is trying to find a new plug for the handset on the SSB, it is a Furuno 1550.  It is a 6 pin plug, any suggestions for sources?

There is a job list a mile long and growing, trying to source as much as l can before we leave Australia. 
Chris





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hard deposits on 8-month old water heater heating unit

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

You will find many conflicting opinions on this subject. 

I believe that you should never run a watermaker at pressure above the Filmtec rating, but more importantly, never above the production rating. For instance, if your watermaker is rated at 160 because the two membranes are rated at 80 liters/hour, never run it producing more than 160. Check the flow glass and adjust the pressure to produce 160 even if the needle is below the green. Too much flow and/or pressure will fracture membranes. 

Now, recycling product water: I have never done this, but the physics of RO membranes tells me that it will likely require less pressure to get 160 liters/hour. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Jun 18, 2017 6:38 AM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I am pretty sure that the pressure needs to be lowered considerably  when processing fresh water to avoid damage to the membranes.  Perhaps Bill or someone else can clarify.


James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Jun 18, 2017, at 3:48 AM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Bill Kinney,


I did not know you could safely run fresh water through the desalinator... Good to know.

The first year we cruised we had very good Deka lead acid batteries.  But there were 78 caps to check... and like you said, one had to go look for distilled water... which we did in Port Washington, NY... what a drag... so at the end of the year, we threw them away and went with sealed AGMs.  It's been a bit over two years, and so far, so good... and there are no caps to check.

Cheers,


Peregrinus
SM2K No. 350 (2002)
At anchor, Tymnos —now called Bozburun



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Seeking an Amel Super Maramu

John Clark
 

Hi Chris,
   Congrats on Lena!   My SM came with a mixed bag of electronics that don't interact with each other.  Garmin chart plotter/AIS, Furuno radar and GPS.  The previous owner installed a new Raymarine Evo autopilot and control head which is connected to none of the above.  
I am looking at the Raymarine es78 multifunction display/chart plotter and a Raymarine Quantum radar.  The new Raymarine geear all talks to each other and can link up using built in wifi.  Makes installation so easy I can do it.  ;)

Here in the States you can buy a package deal including both the radar and es78 for $2200 USD.  

This would allow newest radar tech, chart plotter and autopilot to be combined on one screen.  The AIS would need to use a separate connection unless I got the Raymarine AIS but that is still $600...

Anyway new digital radar units use way less power any should be ok.  My old Furuno 1623 works fine and shows targets and weather reliably and consistent with observations.  New gear I expect to be better but if I were cash strapped the Furuno is fine.


Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie. (fmr Vent de Soleil)
Charleston, SC


On Jun 18, 2017 9:38 AM, "rettirc@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Once I get the aircon working, (amongst other things) I need to replace the Raymarine SL80c plotters' Radome/radar antenna. I need advice whether to search for a 2 or 4kw radar? (18 or 24") scanner.  Is it really worth going for the bigger unit?  Pros/cons, what is standard?  

I have used radar extensively in the past but much larger units.  Is a 2kw unit sufficient?  Is it cluttered with all of the rigging?

Anther item on the list is trying to find a new plug for the handset on the SSB, it is a Furuno 1550.  It is a 6 pin plug, any suggestions for sources?

There is a job list a mile long and growing, trying to source as much as l can before we leave Australia. 
Chris