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Re: Hauling out Hurricane season in Cairns

scentstone
 

A great thank you to all of you David Colin and John (+Bill again).
An update from Cairns Yacht Squadron : they declined my application because the Super Maramu is too large for their lift.
On the other hand, I've got an extensive information from Bundaberg Port Marina which appears to be very well organized for hauling out and store securely the boat. Colin's information are also really helpful. I'll finish to evaluate the alternatives including Scarborough and New Zealand which wasn't part of my first plan and let you know.

Thank you
F.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Deck restoration question

Massimo Vecchietti
 

For Stripes a little work  with....

Il 22 Apr 2017 1:15 AM, "jjjk12s@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:
 

The thick gel-coat on the faux teak has a hard life with the combination of UV and temperature cycling. It's great non slip but it's too much to expect it to last forever. If the deck is very old then the likely option is to reluctantly sand down the teak texture. You then need to replace with a different non-skid texture. Any smooth bit of deck would be very dangerous when wet. The look will be different to original but safety comes first. The normal painted no-slip method would be using matt finish 2 pack poly paint and sprinkle evenly with fine glass beads whilst wet, then give a second coat once that has dried to cover the beads. Different size beads are available depending upon what look you want and whether the use is for shoe wearers or bare feet.

 

If you really want to keep the stripes this could be done but a lot of work. Basically it would be as Bill describes but with the use of glass beads on the boards.

 

A different method I've used before is to paint a deck with a generous coat of 2 pack paint then when wet sprinkle with sugar. Allow to dry then rinse off the sugar which will leave a texture in the paint with no extra ingredient. Non slip paints that have the non-slip ingredient mixed in are, in my experience, hard to get to look even.

 

If you have just a small area of cracked or damaged faux teak, another method is to use a good part of deck to make a texture-mould out of latex then use this on the repair to recreate the original non-slip pattern. This is effective on other pattern non-slip deck gelcoat too. Colour matching is very difficult though.

 

John, Popeye, Maramu #91

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway door

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Hauling out Hurricane season in Cairns

David Pawley
 

Further to John comment above, he referred to Yacht Squadron, ie Cairns Cruising Yacht Squadron (CCYS), I don't have a Amel much to my regret, but I was on the hardstand for 2 weeks last July. The services in the area are good and in walking distance, the facilities are basic. My Fore stay had to be removed due to travel lift limitations. Most people I saw did there own work. I was much pleased with suppliers and services.

On 19 April 2017 at 22:58, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Fred,

I did look at the facilities in Mackay and they seemed OK to me. There seemed to be plenty of support subcontractors at the yard. I did not look at the facilities in Cairns.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970





On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:35 AM, scentstone@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:
 

Thank you Bill for your support fast answer. 

My plan is the fastest transit to Darwin and Indian ocean, that's the reason why I would like to haul her out in Cairns. 
Did you check or evaluate the shipyards with on shore storage (Cairns or Mackay) ? or do you advise me against hauling out there ?

Thanks a lot and kind regards.

Fred

S/V Scentstone SM2K #375





Re: Deck restoration question

jjjk12s@...
 

The thick gel-coat on the faux teak has a hard life with the combination of UV and temperature cycling. It's great non slip but it's too much to expect it to last forever. If the deck is very old then the likely option is to reluctantly sand down the teak texture. You then need to replace with a different non-skid texture. Any smooth bit of deck would be very dangerous when wet. The look will be different to original but safety comes first. The normal painted no-slip method would be using matt finish 2 pack poly paint and sprinkle evenly with fine glass beads whilst wet, then give a second coat once that has dried to cover the beads. Different size beads are available depending upon what look you want and whether the use is for shoe wearers or bare feet.

 

If you really want to keep the stripes this could be done but a lot of work. Basically it would be as Bill describes but with the use of glass beads on the boards.

 

A different method I've used before is to paint a deck with a generous coat of 2 pack paint then when wet sprinkle with sugar. Allow to dry then rinse off the sugar which will leave a texture in the paint with no extra ingredient. Non slip paints that have the non-slip ingredient mixed in are, in my experience, hard to get to look even.

 

If you have just a small area of cracked or damaged faux teak, another method is to use a good part of deck to make a texture-mould out of latex then use this on the repair to recreate the original non-slip pattern. This is effective on other pattern non-slip deck gelcoat too. Colour matching is very difficult though.

 

John, Popeye, Maramu #91

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway door

Patrick McAneny
 

Eric , I am not planning to go to that much work, I see no reason to. You can raise the door further than it would ever be raised normally and you should be able to cut it over sized port to starboard , bow it out , and if thin enough slide it between the door and sides. I was having trouble finding very thin veneer , but the two Bills just posted that I need to look  at furniture suppliers or woodworkers supply. 
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2017 5:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway door

 
Pat,
I have replaced the veneer on Kimberlite without removing the dodger,
Please write me a mote in a week and I will send photos.
Cant do it from here
.Eric
sm376 Kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Friday, April 21, 2017 8:41 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway door
To: amelyachtowners@...

> I would like to apply a teak veneer on my door , 1/8 " is as
> thin as I have found . I would need to take off the outer layer
> of the door which appears to be about 1/8 " to make room for the
> new veneer. In a couple of places it is separating . Has anyone
> taken the outer layer off ? I have also thought about applying a
> formica product on it , may be room for that. I would paint it
> again , but the wood has cracks in it and would not look good. Thanks,
> Pat SM#123
>


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway door [5 Attachments]

Patrick McAneny
 

Danny, What thickness of veneer did you use ? Did you just cut it slightly wider and slide it in under the side rails. Hope all is well down there.
Thanks,
Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: danny danny.rico@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Fri, Apr 21, 2017 12:14 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway door [5 Attachments]

 
[Attachment(s) from danny included below]
I sanded down the door. Cut veneer to proper size. Glued and varnished


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Companionway door

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Companionway door [5 Attachments]

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi, Nice to see there are two of us now.
Danny Simms
SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 22 April 2017 at 03:57 "danny danny.rico@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
[Attachment(s) from danny included below]

I sanded down the door. Cut veneer to proper size. Glued and varnished


 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Increasing fuel capacity - Maramu #178

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Dennis,

One other consideration, and for what it is worth...although we carried extra fuel on our circumnavigation in a Super Maramu, the most we ever used on a passage was 405 liters and that was on a 1,000 mile passage from the Panama Canal to Galapagos. Our longest passage was 3 times that, with only about 250 liters used.

One person's experience is not statistically significant, but our fuel consumption experience was generally higher than the other cruisers we know. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 8:48 AM, dennis@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello All, 


I appreciate and welcome everyones feedback on my issue with faux deck cracking and restoration/refurbishment. 


My next query relates to increasing the internal fuel storage capacity - reason being that our future sailing plans will take us east from Malaysia through and into areas where extended motor/sailing may be required.


I understand the Perkins 60hp on Pegasus uses around 3 l/hr @ 5kts in calm seas ... 450 litres provides a theoretical range of 750nm (or 6 days), much less range if seas are boisterous or we are running away from a late season cyclone.


If we install a desalinator is it feasible to sacrifice around 400 litres of the water storage and reallocate it to diesel. I understand there is a tradeoff by running a generator to make water. Potential contamination ha s crossed my mind but as it stands if the current fuel tank fails, there'll be 450 litres of diesel sitting on top of the water storage tanks.Has anyone done this without resorting to jerry cans or containers?


As an afterthought, and probably a dumb question ... why aren't the fuel tanks on the Maramu positioned in the keel/bilge area? 


Best regards

Dennis (Pegasus - Maramu #178)




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Increasing fuel capacity - Maramu #178

James Alton
 

Dennis,

   If the fuel tank or fuel lines on my Maramu ever fails, it appears the the fuel will end up in the sump, not on top of the freshwater tanks.   I also really like the gravity feed aspect.  I have been able to change the fuel filters on my Perkins,  bleed the air and run the engine without ever touching the lift pump.  Amel has thought every system through quite well and the longer I own my boat the less inclined I am to change anything.  My boat has the original fuel tank on the str. side in the pass thru and it seems fine.

   With regards to adding an additional fuel tank, from a design consideration, it is always nice to keep the tankage as symmetrical as possible so that refuelling or fuel consumption does not cause a trim change in the boat.  This is one of the reasons why the water tank location in the bilge at the center of the boat is so wonderful.   I think that a lot of people carry diesel in fuel jugs in the Port locker to help balance things out and extend the range.  There is a good argument to be made to have plenty of fuel jugs on board to ferry it when needed but I do worry about the leakage possibility of carrying a lot of fuel below decks in jugs.

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Apr 21, 2017, at 9:48 AM, dennis@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello All, 


I appreciate and welcome everyones feedback on my issue with faux deck cracking and restoration/refurbishment. 


My next query relates to increasing the internal fuel storage capacity - reason being that our future sailing plans will take us east from Malaysia through and into areas where extended motor/sailing may be required.


I understand the Perkins 60hp on Pegasus uses around 3 l/hr @ 5kts in calm seas ... 450 litres provides a theoretical range of 750nm (or 6 days), much less range if seas are boisterous or we are running away from a late season cyclone.


If we install a desalinator is it feasible to sacrifice around 400 litres of the water storage and reallocate it to diesel. I understand there is a tradeoff by running a generator to make water. Potential contamin ation has crossed my mind but as it stands if the current fuel tank fails, there'll be 450 litres of diesel sitting on top of the water storage tanks.Has anyone done this without resorting to jerry cans or containers?


As an afterthought, and probably a dumb question ... why aren't the fuel tanks on the Maramu positioned in the keel/bilge area? 


Best regards

Dennis (Pegasus - Maramu #178)





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kimberlite is in Smpson Bay Marina Slip c12

John Clark
 

Good deal count us in too.  Alex we finally get to meet!

John Clark
SV Vent de Soleil SM 37
Great Bay. SXM

On Apr 21, 2017 1:42 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I will plan 17:00 Tuesday at Lagoonies. Alex from Nikimat is on my dock as well, and will see if I can get him to come along. Hope you can make it as well Eric. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
St Maarten

On Apr 20, 2017, at 18:16, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Please drop By.
Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:14 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New owners of an old Maramu
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Thanks, John!
>
> That sounds great. We'd love to get together. Maybe hook up at
> Lagoonies?
> All the best!
>


Re: Increasing fuel capacity - Maramu #178

Dan
 

Maybe because the tank are located in a place easier to remove and easier to inspect. Maybe gravity fed. Also a think the fresh water tanks are insulated from the boat so if you were to loose your keel and fracture the tanks you loose your water but not the diesel. Please correct me if wrong The mango in 82 was sold with one tank. With option to a second tank. With both tanks the range is 1000 miles. 220 gal. Find out if the maramu had same option and were it would go. On the mango it's port of engine. Just thoughts by


Re: Companionway door

greatketch@...
 

Danny,

Without removing the entire companionway slide, how did you get the veneer under the side rails?  Or did you just leave that "as-was"?

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Culebra, PR


Re: Companionway door

greatketch@...
 

Woodcraft can supply teak veneer in 4 foot by 8 foot sheets that is bonded to a paper backing making it much easier to handle than raw veneer and it is only 1/42" thick (0.6mm) , so be careful with your finish sanding! About US$170.

Widely available from woodworking supply houses.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Culebra, PR


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Deck restoration question

greatketch@...
 

I have to disagree with Bill Rouse here.

I have dealt with a lot of different boats, and the Amel non-skid deck is absolutely one of the best out there.  It is easy on bare skin, but is amazingly sticky wet or dry with bare feet or shoes.  It is as good a non-skid as a "real" teak deck without the long and short term maintenance problems.  

That great performance absolutely does not come from the height difference between the faux boards and faux caulk.  It comes from the fine texture molded into the faux boards simulating real teak lumber. If you sand that texture off, and paint it smooth--you WILL end up with an ice skating rink for a deck.  If shallow 1/4 inch grooves were all it took to make a good non-skid deck there would not be so many dangerously slippery decks on boats out there.

If there is deck damage that can not be locally patched, and sanding and painting the whole deck is where you have to go, you will need to do something other than just apply smooth paint if you do not want to slide around on your deck.

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Culebra, PR


---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

Dennis,

I think that the non-slip surface on an Amel comes from the difference in surface height between the faux teak boards and the faux caulk. 

Those faux teak boards are gelcoat that was applied "too thick" to achieve the look and function. The difference in height is probably 1mm.

I believe that if you took the faux teak boards down 0.5mm, you would lose most of the cracking, then Option 3:
  1. Sand everything thoroughly
  2. Use Awlgrip cream color to paint the faux boards and faux caulking. 
  3. Use 1/4" masking tape to cover the faux caulk, 
  4. Then have Awlgrip mixed to match the color of teak and paint the faux teak boards. 
  5. Remove the masking and you have faux teak boards, caulked with cream color faux caulk. 
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: Companionway door

Dan
 

I sanded down the door. Cut veneer to proper size. Glued and varnished


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Kimberlite is in Smpson Bay Marina Slip c12

Stephen Davis
 

I will plan 17:00 Tuesday at Lagoonies. Alex from Nikimat is on my dock as well, and will see if I can get him to come along. Hope you can make it as well Eric. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
St Maarten

On Apr 20, 2017, at 18:16, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Please drop By.
Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:14 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New owners of an old Maramu
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Thanks, John!
>
> That sounds great. We'd love to get together. Maybe hook up at
> Lagoonies?
> All the best!
>


Increasing fuel capacity - Maramu #178

Dennis Campbell
 

Hello All, 


I appreciate and welcome everyones feedback on my issue with faux deck cracking and restoration/refurbishment. 


My next query relates to increasing the internal fuel storage capacity - reason being that our future sailing plans will take us east from Malaysia through and into areas where extended motor/sailing may be required.


I understand the Perkins 60hp on Pegasus uses around 3 l/hr @ 5kts in calm seas ... 450 litres provides a theoretical range of 750nm (or 6 days), much less range if seas are boisterous or we are running away from a late season cyclone.


If we install a desalinator is it feasible to sacrifice around 400 litres of the water storage and reallocate it to diesel. I understand there is a tradeoff by running a generator to make water. Potential contamination has crossed my mind but as it stands if the current fuel tank fails, there'll be 450 litres of diesel sitting on top of the water storage tanks.Has anyone done this without resorting to jerry cans or containers?


As an afterthought, and probably a dumb question ... why aren't the fuel tanks on the Maramu positioned in the keel/bilge area? 


Best regards

Dennis (Pegasus - Maramu #178)



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Deck restoration question

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Dennis,

I think that the non-slip surface on an Amel comes from the difference in surface height between the faux teak boards and the faux caulk. 

Those faux teak boards are gelcoat that was applied "too thick" to achieve the look and function. The difference in height is probably 1mm.

I believe that if you took the faux teak boards down 0.5mm, you would lose most of the cracking, then Option 3:
  1. Sand everything thoroughly
  2. Use Awlgrip cream color to paint the faux boards and faux caulking. 
  3. Use 1/4" masking tape to cover the faux caulk, 
  4. Then have Awlgrip mixed to match the color of teak and paint the faux teak boards. 
  5. Remove the masking and you have faux teak boards, caulked with cream color faux caulk. 
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School 
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970