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Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

Please one question .
What is the problem with the commonrail technik on a sail boat ?

Thanks Elja
SM Balu 222

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Re: Furling main on Amel 60

Denis Foster
 

Hello,

The Selden setup is like this or also a hydraulic in boom with a synchronised furling unfurling with The hydraulic in mast with only one button.

I think Selden has just released a synchronised Electrical version.

Regards

Denis
Ex Meltem #32


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Re: Furling main on Amel 60

Arno Luijten
 
Edited

Found this picture:



I'm intrigued by this. Why did they change the setup?

Regards,
Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121
Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Volker,
Just out of curiosity, how many hours are on your M50 and what issues are leading you to plan on a replacement?
Cheers, Craig  SN68 Sangaris, Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
Re: Ladder

Mark McGovern
 

Quetzal gets around!  Here are some pics of her stern in Le Marin Martinique in June 2017:44



Here is a close up of the ladder:



--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA
Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki

CW Bill Rouse
 

I recommend Beta because:

They use Kubota diesels
They have no computer
They have more experience with isolated ground, and 
My clients who have repowered with them are happy.

Email me if you want more. brouse@...

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 12:40 PM Volker <Puchta@...> wrote:
Good advise not to go with the new common rail technology. That are exactly my thoughts to go for simple but reliable. 
As Beta is not that common here in Europe, I have got an offer for a Sole Mini 62. Spanish brand, Mitsubishi basis 4 stroke, without turbo. 
The old Perkins installed by Amel does have a mass free installation (minus does have complete extra wiring). I think this is not standard installation and may need modifications in the motor electrics. Does anyone know wether this is really essential?

Thank‘s
Volker
Mickmoon, Sharki hull no. 176

Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki

Volker
 

Good advise not to go with the new common rail technology. That are exactly my thoughts to go for simple but reliable. 
As Beta is not that common here in Europe, I have got an offer for a Sole Mini 62. Spanish brand, Mitsubishi basis 4 stroke, without turbo. 
The old Perkins installed by Amel does have a mass free installation (minus does have complete extra wiring). I think this is not standard installation and may need modifications in the motor electrics. Does anyone know wether this is really essential?

Thank‘s
Volker
Mickmoon, Sharki hull no. 176
Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki

Matt Salatino
 

That would be great. I do t think the mechanically injected ones are available in the US....not sure, though.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 22, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347 via groups.io <joedoakes66@...> wrote:

Yanmar still offers non-common rail motors up to at least 160 HP.  Actually they offer both versions for each HP range.  It’s your choice.   And they are great motors in my opinion😎

Ben and Gayle 
La Bella Vita 

On Aug 22, 2020, at 5:44 AM, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

I agree you should avoid common rail diesels if possible however 50 Horses engines are still mostly classic injection. Volvo D2-55 could be an option. This is a re-badged Perkins that gives you a little extra power. Volvo can give nice rebates on re-powering if you push them a bit (I have experience).  These 4 cylinders run very nicely. Also have a look at Beta and Nanni. Nanni being French may have have specific experience with Amel. Keep an eye on the weight of the engine the older designs tend to be quite heavy.
Also look carefully at the design of the engine from maintenance point of view. Some engines have impellers and oil filters in places very hard to reach for some boats. For example; my engine is a D110i-C. This model was designed by someone clueless about converting engines for marine use. VP must have fired him as the later models D-H models) were very much different.
So for your Sharki look beyond the initial purchase price. Part prices, availability of parts and effort to maintain are also things to consider.

Re: Ladder

Heinz Stutenbaeumer
 

Wuetzal

Am 22.08.2020 01:44 schrieb Germain Jean-Pierre <jp.germain45@...>:

Hi gang,

If I remember correctly, Quelzal has a very nice installation...

A platform was added on the port side of the stern with a deployable telescopic ladder.  The deployable portion rests on the back bumper to prevent the ladder moving under the stern whe loaded with a humanoid...

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ 


On 22 Aug 2020, at 07:30, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Last year when I was in New Caledonia Marina I was alongside an SM that had fitted a very good fold down ladder to the stern, (not attached to the bumper) I will try and find my photos of it.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 22 August 2020 at 03:04 "james Hosford via groups.io" <jay.hosford@...> wrote:

Ah thanks pictures I saw I thought it was fiberglass or fiberglass encapsulated wood.   Oh well it was an idea

 

On Aug 21, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

James,

Assuming you have the OEM Amel bumper, the bumper would likely just rip off the back of the boat if you tried that.  It's made from some sort of foam rubber and held in place by just two M8 bolts with some fender washers. The bolts are meant to hold up the weight of the bumper and keep it in place in a compression load (bumping into a dock, etc.).  They are not meant to hold the weight of a ladder and person pulling down on the bumper.


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


 


 
Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

Yanmar still offers non-common rail motors up to at least 160 HP.  Actually they offer both versions for each HP range.  It’s your choice.   And they are great motors in my opinion😎

Ben and Gayle 
La Bella Vita 

On Aug 22, 2020, at 5:44 AM, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

I agree you should avoid common rail diesels if possible however 50 Horses engines are still mostly classic injection. Volvo D2-55 could be an option. This is a re-badged Perkins that gives you a little extra power. Volvo can give nice rebates on re-powering if you push them a bit (I have experience).  These 4 cylinders run very nicely. Also have a look at Beta and Nanni. Nanni being French may have have specific experience with Amel. Keep an eye on the weight of the engine the older designs tend to be quite heavy.
Also look carefully at the design of the engine from maintenance point of view. Some engines have impellers and oil filters in places very hard to reach for some boats. For example; my engine is a D110i-C. This model was designed by someone clueless about converting engines for marine use. VP must have fired him as the later models D-H models) were very much different.
So for your Sharki look beyond the initial purchase price. Part prices, availability of parts and effort to maintain are also things to consider.

Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki

Arno Luijten
 

I agree you should avoid common rail diesels if possible however 50 Horses engines are still mostly classic injection. Volvo D2-55 could be an option. This is a re-badged Perkins that gives you a little extra power. Volvo can give nice rebates on re-powering if you push them a bit (I have experience).  These 4 cylinders run very nicely. Also have a look at Beta and Nanni. Nanni being French may have have specific experience with Amel. Keep an eye on the weight of the engine the older designs tend to be quite heavy.
Also look carefully at the design of the engine from maintenance point of view. Some engines have impellers and oil filters in places very hard to reach for some boats. For example; my engine is a D110i-C. This model was designed by someone clueless about converting engines for marine use. VP must have fired him as the later models D-H models) were very much different.
So for your Sharki look beyond the initial purchase price. Part prices, availability of parts and effort to maintain are also things to consider.

Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki

Gerhard Mueller
 

There is a typo in the link above.
Correct should be: https://www.betamarinenc.com/
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece
Re: Re-power an Amel Sharki

Matt Salatino
 

I would have recommended Yanmar, for parts and service availability, worldwide. That was before commonrail fuel injection. Now, a lightning strike can leave you with a $10,000 repair bill, besides your boat electronics.
I’d look for a brand that stilluses mechanical fuel injection. I believe Beta Marine (betamarineenc.com) still does. We repowered with Yanmar before the change. We have several friends who are happy with their betamarine upgrades.

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Aug 22, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Volker <Puchta@...> wrote:

I am planning to replace the original Perkins M50 on my 1989 built Sharki. Is there any advice from the community which are good replacement options and what are potential issues which I have to take care when installing a new engine.
Thank you,
Volker
Mickmoon, Sharki no. 176

Re-power an Amel Sharki

Volker
 

I am planning to replace the original Perkins M50 on my 1989 built Sharki. Is there any advice from the community which are good replacement options and what are potential issues which I have to take care when installing a new engine.
Thank you,
Volker
Mickmoon, Sharki no. 176
Re: A question to the hive mind re Amel 54 (Sleipner side power) Bow thruster capacitor please.

Porter McRoberts
 

Thank you all. I really appreciate all the thoughts. 

Sleipner still sleeping. IMTRA seems willing to help. They had some questions which prohibited a final answer today. 
Regardless. The thruster thrusts well, sounds good without it. We turned around in the marina just fine. 
I’ll limit use without the widget and update when I get final answers

Thanks again and have a wonderful weekend!

Porter

Porter McRoberts 
S/V IBIS A54-152
WhatsApp:+1 754 265 2206
Www.fouribis.net

On Aug 21, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Arno Luijten <arno.luijten@...> wrote:

Actually the capacitor may also help in reducing the sparking of the brushes and reduce the wear and tear on those things. So definitely recommend to replace. I can't tell you the value though as our Amel  is too far away to see.

Regards,

Arno Luijten
SV Luna,
A54-121

Re: Ladder

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi James, herewith two photos of the stern mounted ladder on the boat along side me in New Caledonia, Nov. It was in two hinged parts, one took it to the bumper, the next folded down into the water. Looked good.

Kind Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 22 August 2020 at 03:04 "james Hosford via groups.io" <jay.hosford@...> wrote:

Ah thanks pictures I saw I thought it was fiberglass or fiberglass encapsulated wood.   Oh well it was an idea

 

On Aug 21, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

James,

Assuming you have the OEM Amel bumper, the bumper would likely just rip off the back of the boat if you tried that.  It's made from some sort of foam rubber and held in place by just two M8 bolts with some fender washers. The bolts are meant to hold up the weight of the bumper and keep it in place in a compression load (bumping into a dock, etc.).  They are not meant to hold the weight of a ladder and person pulling down on the bumper.


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


 


 
Re: A question to the hive mind re Amel 54 (Sleipner side power) Bow thruster capacitor please.

Dean Gillies
 

Porter,
There is also a possibility that the component is not a capacitor. It could be a varistor. If so, it may be a little more difficult to source.
Hopefully Sleipner will wake up soon!
Cheers
Dean

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Re: Onan shuts down under load without shutdown codes

CW Bill Rouse
 

Mark,

I think I should have suggested that because the exhaust elbow was at the correct temperature, but the engine overheating. 

I think if I added the following  to the top of the check list you would have found it earlier:

"Remove the exhaust elbow and inspect the junction of the elbow with the manifold. If you see carbon buildup, remove the manifold and clean or replace both the manifold and the elbow."

Agree?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Fri, Aug 21, 2020, 5:19 PM Thomas Peacock <peacock8491@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,

I was actually going to suggest that you look at the exhaust manifold, but didn’t want to look dumb. However, our problem wasn’t that it would shut down, but that it would not start. Many $$$ later, a good mechanic looked there and found the culprit.

In addition, I would have thought that the exhaust temperature would have risen and tripped the generator; but not all Onans are the same, I don’t think we have an exhaust temperature monitor, just a water temp.

I should add that the exhaust manifold carbon buildup is a common problem; it results from the generator being run at relatively low power demand levels, never at high enough fuel consumption (the RPM are constant) to burn out the carbon.

Everyone who has an Onan should be aware of this, and keep an eye on the build-up.  Ours was so far gone that we had to replace the manifold, cleaning was not an option.

Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay

On Aug 21, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Mark Pitt <mark_pitt@...> wrote:

 After replacing the thermostat, water sensor, fan belt, coolant, and raw water pump, it turns out the problem was carbon buildup in the exhaust manifold.  That’s been cleaned out and a new exhaust elbow added and all seems good now.  Thanks to all for their suggestions.

Mark Pitt
Sabbatical III,SM#419
Nantucket


--
Tom Peacock
SM 240 Aletes
Chesapeake Bay

Re: Ladder

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hi gang,

If I remember correctly, Quelzal has a very nice installation...

A platform was added on the port side of the stern with a deployable telescopic ladder.  The deployable portion rests on the back bumper to prevent the ladder moving under the stern whe loaded with a humanoid...

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, NZ 


On 22 Aug 2020, at 07:30, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Last year when I was in New Caledonia Marina I was alongside an SM that had fitted a very good fold down ladder to the stern, (not attached to the bumper) I will try and find my photos of it.

Regards

Danny

SM 299

Ocean Pearl

On 22 August 2020 at 03:04 "james Hosford via groups.io" <jay.hosford@...> wrote:

Ah thanks pictures I saw I thought it was fiberglass or fiberglass encapsulated wood.   Oh well it was an idea

 

On Aug 21, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...> wrote:

James,

Assuming you have the OEM Amel bumper, the bumper would likely just rip off the back of the boat if you tried that.  It's made from some sort of foam rubber and held in place by just two M8 bolts with some fender washers. The bolts are meant to hold up the weight of the bumper and keep it in place in a compression load (bumping into a dock, etc.).  They are not meant to hold the weight of a ladder and person pulling down on the bumper.


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


 


 
Re: A question to the hive mind re Amel 54 (Sleipner side power) Bow thruster capacitor please.

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Porter,
Is (was) there only one capacitor in the system? Seems like a 4-brush motor might have at least one more. If so, maybe you can carefully lift one leg off and measure it?

I would surmise that it is non-essential, but I would not suggest operating the thruster without it, just in case. I'm sure Sleipner will advise the correct capacity soon enough.

Tahiti ! Lucky you 😀

Cheers
Dean
SY Stella
A54-154




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