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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] replacing Climma controls

Ryan Meador
 

Ken,
Glad to hear you arrived at the same conclusion.  We must have been talking to these vendors at the same time.  I've opted not to get the soft-start as I don't think I have one now and it works fine.  I'm told the FX-2 can be configured with a delayed start, replacing the timer module in the existing system.  I look forward to hearing how it works out for you, but I'm going to place my order today on faith that it will work :)  There's a two-week lead time and winter is fast approaching up here.

Alexandre,
Thank you for the photos and diagrams!  I was very sorry to hear of the loss of your boat, and I'm very glad you're still active in this community.  Your posts have helped me invaluably as a new owner.

Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Ryan,
Sorry about your problem…
I can not reply your question, but here is a link when I swap the air conditioning
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh.html
Some parts might be of interest for you such as Part 3 and 4
I would also look at Part 12, 22, 23, 24, etc.
As they are similar, I took different pictures and illustrated better some parts than some other.
It will also familiarize you with what to expect, how it looks, etc.

Hope that help.
Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Tue, 9/26/17, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] replacing Climma controls
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017, 4:55 PM


 









Hi all,One of the
mechanical Climma air conditioning control panels on my boat
is not fully functional, and apparently these panels are no
longer made.  After lengthy back and forth with
Veco/Climma, Coastal Climate Control, and Micro Air (all of
which have been a pleasure to work with thus far), it seems
the best path forward for me is to replace the entire
"brain" of the AC unit with the FX-2 from Micro
Air and the associated EasyTouch control panel.  This is
definitely overkill, but not significantly more difficult or
expensive than any of the other options, and nets a bunch of
new features (like dehumidify mode, day/time scheduling, and
WiFi remote control).  I'm going to replace the
controls on all 3 units so they're all consistent and I
can take full advantage of the new features.  I especially
think it will be valuable for heating over the cold Boston
winter.
Before I pull
the trigger, has anyone else done something like this?  Any
tips or tricks?
Thanks,RyanSM
233 IterationBoston, MA, USA






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] replacing Climma controls

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ryan,
Sorry about your problem…
I can not reply your question, but here is a link when I swap the air conditioning
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh.html
Some parts might be of interest for you such as Part 3 and 4
I would also look at Part 12, 22, 23, 24, etc.
As they are similar, I took different pictures and illustrated better some parts than some other.
It will also familiarize you with what to expect, how it looks, etc.

Hope that help.
Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Tue, 9/26/17, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] replacing Climma controls
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017, 4:55 PM


 









Hi all,One of the
mechanical Climma air conditioning control panels on my boat
is not fully functional, and apparently these panels are no
longer made.  After lengthy back and forth with
Veco/Climma, Coastal Climate Control, and Micro Air (all of
which have been a pleasure to work with thus far), it seems
the best path forward for me is to replace the entire
"brain" of the AC unit with the FX-2 from Micro
Air and the associated EasyTouch control panel.  This is
definitely overkill, but not significantly more difficult or
expensive than any of the other options, and nets a bunch of
new features (like dehumidify mode, day/time scheduling, and
WiFi remote control).  I'm going to replace the
controls on all 3 units so they're all consistent and I
can take full advantage of the new features.  I especially
think it will be valuable for heating over the cold Boston
winter.
Before I pull
the trigger, has anyone else done something like this?  Any
tips or tricks?
Thanks,RyanSM
233 IterationBoston, MA, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main and mizzen furlers

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks bill. Have you tried this?


Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty

On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:02 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I think the best solution is to have a sailmaker make a "noise-stopping sail" out of old sail cloth about 1m H X 1.5m L. 

Have him sew bolt rope on the 1m side and a grommet at the top and bottom on that side. On the other 1m side cut the side to a point (triangle), and place a grommet at the point. Connect the top grommet to the swivel with small line, connect a "down guy" to the bottom grommet, and connect and "outhaul to the point grommet of the triangle. Raise this "sail" midway. Furl this sail (don't worry about wrapping the downhaul because you will only use it when unfurled and to haul down. Secure the "outhaul" to something that keeps it tight.

Voila!

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970




On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:12 AM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello every one;

We are removing our sails for the winter and would appreciate ideas on how to prevent the Furler extrusions from hitting the mast when the sails are removed.

We have tried different approaches and have had some success but still got some occasional contact and sound depending on wind conditions.. We would like to avoid being a nuisance to the live aboard community and also prevent any potential damage.

Thanks in advance for your time.

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main and mizzen furlers

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Eric. 

On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:28 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mohammad,
If you are speaking about the main furler extrusion, this is what I do.
I tie a very long line to the swivel after putting a few wraps around the foil.
I then just turn the foil as if I am furling the main.
I run id down 3/4 of the way and then tie the line off to an aft cleat.  I use about 12 mm
line and this acts as a cushion to stop the banging of the foil.
Fair Winds,
Eric
sm 376 kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: "mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:12 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main and mizzen furlers
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Hello every one;
>
> We are removing our sails for the winter and would appreciate
> ideas on how to prevent the Furler extrusions from hitting the
> mast when the sails are removed.
>
> We have tried different approaches and have had some success but
> still got some occasional contact and sound depending on wind
> conditions.. We would like to avoid being a nuisance to the live
> aboard community and also prevent any potential damage.
>
> Thanks in advance for your time.
>
> Mohammad and Aty
> B&B Kokomo
> Amel 54 #099


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Cables

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] replacing Climma controls

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
 

Hello Ryan,

I have the same problem with two of my Climma conditioners.  The problem with the unit in the living room was a $15 relay (repair to be completed soon), but the problem with the aft cabin required a replacement of the entire switch.  After doing the same research, I bought the FX-2 W/Softstart with metal enclosure..  ASY360-XL6.  I also got the Brass Sensor SUB-056-X07,  Display Cable SUB-031-X10,  EasyTouch Cont Disp 8 P WIFI  ASY-389-X02-WIFI  Firmware Version N10.

All at a cost of $US824 .  

I decided for now to change the Climma brains in the aft cabin because 1) the controls are in the bathroom, and you have to get out of bed to change the settings, and 2) because that is the place where we use aircon the most.   I will try to install the unit in the next week, so ( a big SO) if successful I'll update with some photos and wiring instructions to complete the task.  Looks like it should be easy if you have the correct wiring diagrams.  I asked for some help for the guys at Micro Air, and not much back.  Sent them the Climma wiring diagram, and thought they would send me a diagram showing where each wire should go... 

If anyone has completed the installation of the FX2 with easy start/Easy Touch with WiFi, please let me know..

Thanks,

Ken Powers
SV Aquarius SM@K 262
Currently in Trinidad on the hard at PowerBoats



On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:52 PM, "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi all,
One of the mechanical Climma air conditioning control panels on my boat is not fully functional, and apparently these panels are no longer made.  After lengthy back and forth with Veco/Climma, Coastal Climate Control, and Micro Air (all of which have been a pleasure to work with thus far), it seems the best path forward for me is to replace the entire "brain" of the AC unit with the FX-2 from Micro Air and the associated EasyTouch control panel.  This is definitely overkill, but not significantly more difficult or expensive than any of the other options, and nets a bunch of new features (like dehumidify mode, day/time scheduling, and WiFi remote control).  I'm going to replace the controls on all 3 units so they're all consistent and I can take full advantage of the new features.  I especially think it will be valuable for heating over the cold Boston winter.

Before I pull the trigger, has anyone else done something like this?  Any tips or tricks?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Cables

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi guys,

I had the same failure and rebuilt my own at 1/10 the cost of a factory rebuild.  It was surprisingly easy.

Take piccies while dismantling and do the reverse when rebuilding….

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007


On 26 Sep 2017, at 08:52, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Drew,

I don't know if it is the same problem you are having, but we had a similar noise, and it turned out to be the Raymarine Rotary drive. Our noise got worse over a couple of years, and finally the drive completely failed, and would not steer the boat. We had it rebuilt by Raymarine USA for a flat rate of $650, and now we have no noise. Our failure ended up being a couple of gears in the drive unit, which eventually completely failed. 

Good luck figuring it out. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Santa Marta, Columbia

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:42 AM, drew.gaffney@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Some owners have described a click or stiffiness.  WIth Revelation, whether hand steering or using the chain-drive A/P, rough seas cause a loud twangy pop.  It was there 4yr ago, crossing the Indian Ocean, but has gotten worse recently. There is lubrication at the quadrant ends of the cables.  There is no looseness where the cables are attached to the R&P.  Steering is smooth and there's full range of rudder turn without difficulty.  The popping is only when extra force is required for rough seas, big waves., etc.

We're hauling out this week for the winter, and wanted to get this resolved before next season.

Thank you,

Drew Gaffney

SY Revelation SM390

Lying Portimao, Portugal





replacing Climma controls

Ryan Meador
 

Hi all,
One of the mechanical Climma air conditioning control panels on my boat is not fully functional, and apparently these panels are no longer made.  After lengthy back and forth with Veco/Climma, Coastal Climate Control, and Micro Air (all of which have been a pleasure to work with thus far), it seems the best path forward for me is to replace the entire "brain" of the AC unit with the FX-2 from Micro Air and the associated EasyTouch control panel.  This is definitely overkill, but not significantly more difficult or expensive than any of the other options, and nets a bunch of new features (like dehumidify mode, day/time scheduling, and WiFi remote control).  I'm going to replace the controls on all 3 units so they're all consistent and I can take full advantage of the new features.  I especially think it will be valuable for heating over the cold Boston winter.

Before I pull the trigger, has anyone else done something like this?  Any tips or tricks?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


Re: Puerto Del Ray - Puerto Rico - Hurricane Irma/Maria

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Gary,

I am so sorry to hear about the damage done to Liahona by hurricane Maria.  Thank you for sharing the information in your message about your extensive preparations, and what subsequently happened.  We have all learned from this experience.  You did your best, and because of the good job you did, Liahona has survived to sail another day.  Well done! Let us know how we can help with the repairs/parts, etc.

Derick Gates (in Masschusetts)
SM2K#400 Brava
On the hard in a steel cradle in Bailey's boatyard, Falmouth Harbour, Antigua


Re: Steering Cables

greatketch@...
 

Gary,

I know this is in the realm of very marginally useful information, but the steering cables were completely replaced on Harmonie.  Unfortunately it was done by the previous owner so I can't say much more than that.  

Sorry I don't have more information other than it is possible.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Back Creek, Annapolis, Maryland


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Cables

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Drew,

This is possibly a wild idea, but I think that I know what your twang is.

If the Raymarine autopilot chain drive clutch makes a momentary slip while under load, it will sound like a twang and the cables will jerk. How many sea miles do you think you have on the clutch? If it is around 20,000, or more, I would replace the 12VDC Raymarine clutch inside the drive unit and see if it solves your problem.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970




On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 6:42 AM, drew.gaffney@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Some owners have described a click or stiffiness.  WIth Revelation, whether hand steering or using the chain-drive A/P, rough seas cause a loud twangy pop.  It was there 4yr ago, crossing the Indian Ocean, but has gotten worse recently. There is lubrication at the quadrant ends of the cables.  There is no looseness where the cables are attached to the R&P.  Steering is smooth and there's full range of rudder turn without difficulty.  The popping is only when extra force is required for rough seas, big waves., etc.

We're hauling out this week for the winter, and wanted to get this resolved before next season.

Thank you,

Drew Gaffney

SY Revelation SM390

Lying Portimao, Portugal



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Cables

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Drew,

I don't know if it is the same problem you are having, but we had a similar noise, and it turned out to be the Raymarine Rotary drive. Our noise got worse over a couple of years, and finally the drive completely failed, and would not steer the boat. We had it rebuilt by Raymarine USA for a flat rate of $650, and now we have no noise. Our failure ended up being a couple of gears in the drive unit, which eventually completely failed. 

Good luck figuring it out. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Santa Marta, Columbia

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:42 AM, drew.gaffney@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Some owners have described a click or stiffiness.  WIth Revelation, whether hand steering or using the chain-drive A/P, rough seas cause a loud twangy pop.  It was there 4yr ago, crossing the Indian Ocean, but has gotten worse recently. There is lubrication at the quadrant ends of the cables.  There is no looseness where the cables are attached to the R&P.  Steering is smooth and there's full range of rudder turn without difficulty.  The popping is only when extra force is required for rough seas, big waves., etc.

We're hauling out this week for the winter, and wanted to get this resolved before next season.

Thank you,

Drew Gaffney

SY Revelation SM390

Lying Portimao, Portugal


Re: Amel SM 2000 windless switch

caliber33verizon.net@...
 

Steve


Steering Cables

drew.gaffney@...
 

Some owners have described a click or stiffiness.  WIth Revelation, whether hand steering or using the chain-drive A/P, rough seas cause a loud twangy pop.  It was there 4yr ago, crossing the Indian Ocean, but has gotten worse recently. There is lubrication at the quadrant ends of the cables.  There is no looseness where the cables are attached to the R&P.  Steering is smooth and there's full range of rudder turn without difficulty.  The popping is only when extra force is required for rough seas, big waves., etc.

We're hauling out this week for the winter, and wanted to get this resolved before next season.

Thank you,

Drew Gaffney

SY Revelation SM390

Lying Portimao, Portugal


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main and mizzen furlers

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I think the best solution is to have a sailmaker make a "noise-stopping sail" out of old sail cloth about 1m H X 1.5m L. 

Have him sew bolt rope on the 1m side and a grommet at the top and bottom on that side. On the other 1m side cut the side to a point (triangle), and place a grommet at the point. Connect the top grommet to the swivel with small line, connect a "down guy" to the bottom grommet, and connect and "outhaul to the point grommet of the triangle. Raise this "sail" midway. Furl this sail (don't worry about wrapping the downhaul because you will only use it when unfurled and to haul down. Secure the "outhaul" to something that keeps it tight.

Voila!

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970




On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:12 AM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello every one;

We are removing our sails for the winter and would appreciate ideas on how to prevent the Furler extrusions from hitting the mast when the sails are removed.

We have tried different approaches and have had some success but still got some occasional contact and sound depending on wind conditions.. We would like to avoid being a nuisance to the live aboard community and also prevent any potential damage.

Thanks in advance for your time.

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



Re: Lofrans Tigres windlass turns itself on

Duane Siegfri
 

Bill,

It was the control box,, thanks for that tip!

After replacing the older switch on the winch, it still didn't work so I opened the control box, cleaned the contacts, and coated with Corrosion-X.  It's a bit difficult to reassemble (meaning I had to do it twice...), but it works great now.

Thanks again,
Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main and mizzen furlers

eric freedman
 


Re: Stay sail sheeting

Paul Osterberg
 

David
We sheet inside,that was the idea for the beginning, I have 10 mm dyneema 99 low stretch core between the base of the mast towards the chainplate o the forward shroud. on that line it's easy to attaché a block along where you want it to be. From that point I have also adyneema line to the cleat just in front on the toe rail. That give a rather fixed point. The attachment are with soft shackle and snap shackle so easy to remove.
The problem I have is that the clew is to low so just the smallest creep in the system lift the tack and the sails starts to flutter. I"m not very happy with the sailmaker as I asked for A high clew. The quality of the Turkish furling  system is not good at all to put it mildly. So we need to make som amendments, probably a new sail, see if we can fix the poor quality furler, else we have to install a new furler. However we have encountered conditions when a cutter sail would have made sailing more comfortable many times
Please let me know how you solve the issue and if it works well
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main and mizzen furlers

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Paul, looks like most are furling a thicker line to keep the separation.


On Sep 25, 2017, at 6:14 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello

We hoist a 12 mm three strand rope in the top swirled hold the rope were lose and fuel maybe 10 revs in total. Then there are no noise  from the profile what so ever. Any rope of similar dimension would work.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Now in Annapolis


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main and mizzen furlers

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Ian. I'll give that a try.

Mohammad and Aty

On Sep 25, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi
I tie an end of one of my thick mooring lines to the swivel, hoist it above mid point and carefully furl. Needs some experimenting to get the right thickness so it fills the void and stops the clanking.
Ian
Ocean Hobo
On the hard. Clarkes Court Grenada