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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper

eric freedman
 

Sorry,

I do not remember.

I made mine out of thick copper about 1/8 inch and it is still great.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:47 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper

 

 

I searched the files section for “bonding strap” without luck, to get the dimensions where to bend the metal and the size hole required.  Do you know where the file is?

 

Thanks

Eamonn

Travel Bug SM 151

 


To Moderator

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,

Im unable to sign in to the group. I am getting the emails but cannot get in to the files etc. Happened also a few months ago. I think it is something to do with my email server changing its provider. Been a member for 8 years or so,

Danny'

SM 299 Ocean Pearl


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Looking for a boat in transit between La Rochelle and the Canaries

Oliver Buhlert
 

Hello,

maybe you try the website of the ARC https://www.worldcruising.com , Atlantic Rally for Cruisers. A lot of sailing boats are still on the way to the Canaries, Gran Canaria to take part of it. Maybe some of them start from La Rochelle. Even when they are in Portugal or Spain it is much easier to send the spares  from France to Portugal.   

I can confirm, that with regular couriers it takes sometimes weeks to get the spares. You can take an agent in the Canaries what makes it faster. I got by myself spares from Amel to deliver to the Canaries they arrived in time because I used an expensive agent of the ARC. 

Good luck!

Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000

Am 25.10.2017 um 16:36 schrieb SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:


Hi all,

We are looking for a boat that would travel from La Rochelle to the Madeira or the Canaries Islands in the short term to carry some spares for us. We have been told regular courriers are troublesome and unreliable in the Canaries. 

We know it is late in the season already but if you know of anyone, or have any advice, please let us know.


Fair winds,

Thanks 

Thomas & Soraya
Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal



Looking for a boat in transit between La Rochelle and the Canaries

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

We are looking for a boat that would travel from La Rochelle to the Madeira or the Canaries Islands in the short term to carry some spares for us. We have been told regular courriers are troublesome and unreliable in the Canaries. 

We know it is late in the season already but if you know of anyone, or have any advice, please let us know.


Fair winds,

Thanks 

Thomas & Soraya
Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Porto Santo, Madeira, Portugal


Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper

mfmcgovern@...
 

It's actually in the Photos section:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/amelyachtowners/photos/albums/138287824

Mark
SM #440 SV Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Refit

antomajori@...
 

A similar thing happened to me wirth Emek.

I do not understand how to continue to represent EMEL: I bought from them an SM trusting that they were Amel ....


Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper

qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@...
 

I did the same work according the very good description of Bill this summer. With the right tools easy but not nice work. I ordered the copper at onlinemetals.com in the US. Just to let you know what we payed it was 95$. Maybe you get it cheaper in Europe.
The copper we used is much thicker than the original one of Amel. Our once was almost gone it had just a thin connection. The previous owner emptied the bilge always when he left the boat (he just used it for vacation) maybe  you can prolong the lifetime of the copper bar by doing this, but with a new thicker copper bar I assume that the lifetime of the bar is automatically much longer.
Good luck.

Oliver
SV JoEmi
SM 2000


Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper

eamonn.washington@...
 

I searched the files section for “bonding strap” without luck, to get the dimensions where to bend the metal and the size hole required.  Do you know where the file is?

Thanks
Eamonn
Travel Bug SM 151


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Refit

maciej@...
 

Never, ever use Emek for ANY work or even to broker any sale or purchase.

Here is my sad story.

In November 2016 I purchased an Amel SM 53 brokered by Emek. At the same time Emek sold my previous vessel.

While still at Gocek and then shortly thereafter, together we compiled a list of a basic refit works. The estimate was for about $46K. At this point all started unraveling. First of all Mr. Cakir refused to get me my proceeds for the sale of my old boat under the pretenses of the 'down payment' for this refit. So for $46K of estimated work he defrauded me of $56. When I tried to negotiate a reasonable down payment, proposing on my side 20% of his estimate and giving him a chance to come with some counteroffer he simply did not even tried to negotiate anything in good faith.

Being extremely frustrated by this situation and not getting any report on the progress of works, I contracted a captain to get my vessel out of hand of Emek and get it delivered to a place of my choosing. Mr. Cakir decided to keep both my vessel and my money hostage by flatly refusing to release her to anybody but me personally. Both the way Mr. Cakir handled my money and my vessel is such an unprincipled behavior unbecoming of a boat broker's and any honest person for that matter.

When I eventually arrived at Gocek in June 2017 I founded out that of the estimate list only part of work was done however the invoice grew from $46 to $53K!! It included $6,200 for keeping my vessel in a boatyard for several weeks just for anitfouling.

Just please do not question my intelligence while you read the rest of this horror story.

At this point instead of taking my boat and getting as far as possible from Emek and Mr. Cakir I let myself get convinced, and yes, he can be convincing and quite charming, to get even more work performed by Emek on my boat. We agreed on the cost of $87K and the deadline of August 10, 2017. While the boat was hauled out again on July 17, my wife and I were supposed to spend about 3 weeks at the local hotel after which time the vessel would be launched and ready for sea trials to straighten up all kinks with completion day of August 10.

So now we're October 24, 2017 - we had to stay at the hotel 3 months so far instead of promised 3 weeks, at the cost close to 6,000 euros.

Out of the estimated $87K of repair cost so far I've provided Emek with $57K yet still after those 3 months and substantial down payment Mr. Cakir did not purchased essential supplies needed for this refit and as the result most of the work are still not completed.

Furthermore just today Mr. Cakir tried to extort more money from me by implying that work will not be completed if I don’t cough up more funds. Talking about impudence! No effort to patch up this debacle that he’s completely responsible for.

So here I am, after spending close to $300,000, including the purchase, spending the whole summer at a hotel, my boat is stuck at a local boatyard, not sea worthy by far, kept hostage by Mr. Cakir.

Just today I hired a local lawyer and we’re staring a process of recovering my boat and money from Emek and Mr. Cakir.

This company and its owner are simply dishonest fraudsters with a thorough lack of honor end decency.


Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper

eamonn.washington@...
 

Fantastic info, I’ll get to work.

Thanks
Eamonn
Travel Bug SM 151


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper

Craig Briggs
 

Hey Danny,
Fantastic solutions for we "CARBS" (Cheap Ass Rag Baggers) ! Love it!
Cheers,
Craig SN68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <simms@...> wrote :

Hi,

I was maintaining my boat in remote locations (definition of long distance cruising) and needed to do this job. I found a meter long (39 inch) piece of D12 reinforcing rod on the side of the road. I ground a square on one end to fit the socket and used a stilson pipe wrench on the other. Saved buying 3 12 inch extensions which weren't available there anyway. If copper bar is not available copper tube as used (or used to be) in plumbing, flattened at each end does the job.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 25 October 2017 at 08:59 "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good afternoon Eamonn,

Something I did 3 years ago but haven’t illustrated yet.
First you need the copper bar. Bill R. (s/v BeBe) provided the dimensions.
47 1/2” long, 2” width and 1/8” thick. It is bent in 3 places.
I followed his instructions: completely emptied then cleaned the bilge (not a fun job) as you will need to remove the float, etc. take the opportunity to clean it perfectly.
It is hold at the bottom by a 30 mm socket and you will need three 12” extensions to reach it.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Tue, 10/24/17, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 2:21 PM


 









Today I noticed that the copper bar in the grey
water tank is completely corroded away at the bottom.
 Assuming I get a replacement bar or strap (5mm thick, how
long?), how is it mechanically connected to the keel bolt?
 Is there a special tool or some trick to do this?  I
can’t even see the keel bolt due to the murky water.  I
am in the process of cleaning it.
RegardsEamonn
WashingtonTravel Bug SM 151On the hard
in Cleopatra Marina, Greece.




 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,

I was maintaining my boat in remote locations (definition of long distance cruising) and needed to do this job. I found a meter long (39 inch) piece of D12 reinforcing rod on the side of the road. I ground a square on one end to fit the socket and used a stilson pipe wrench on the other. Saved buying 3 12 inch extensions which weren't available there anyway. If copper bar is not available copper tube as used (or used to be) in plumbing, flattened at each end does the job.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 25 October 2017 at 08:59 "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good afternoon Eamonn,

Something I did 3 years ago but haven’t illustrated yet.
First you need the copper bar. Bill R. (s/v BeBe) provided the dimensions.
47 1/2” long, 2” width and 1/8” thick. It is bent in 3 places.
I followed his instructions: completely emptied then cleaned the bilge (not a fun job) as you will need to remove the float, etc. take the opportunity to clean it perfectly.
It is hold at the bottom by a 30 mm socket and you will need three 12” extensions to reach it.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Tue, 10/24/17, eamonn.washington@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 2:21 PM


 









Today I noticed that the copper bar in the grey
water tank is completely corroded away at the bottom.
 Assuming I get a replacement bar or strap (5mm thick, how
long?), how is it mechanically connected to the keel bolt?
 Is there a special tool or some trick to do this?  I
can’t even see the keel bolt due to the murky water.  I
am in the process of cleaning it.
RegardsEamonn
WashingtonTravel Bug SM 151On the hard
in Cleopatra Marina, Greece.




 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Eamonn,

Something I did 3 years ago but haven’t illustrated yet.
First you need the copper bar. Bill R. (s/v BeBe) provided the dimensions.
47 1/2” long, 2” width and 1/8” thick. It is bent in 3 places.
I followed his instructions: completely emptied then cleaned the bilge (not a fun job) as you will need to remove the float, etc. take the opportunity to clean it perfectly.
It is hold at the bottom by a 30 mm socket and you will need three 12” extensions to reach it.

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Tue, 10/24/17, eamonn.washington@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2017, 2:21 PM


 









Today I noticed that the copper bar in the grey
water tank is completely corroded away at the bottom.
 Assuming I get a replacement bar or strap (5mm thick, how
long?), how is it mechanically connected to the keel bolt?
 Is there a special tool or some trick to do this?  I
can’t even see the keel bolt due to the murky water.  I
am in the process of cleaning it.
RegardsEamonn
WashingtonTravel Bug SM 151On the hard
in Cleopatra Marina, Greece.


Re: staysail mizzen setup

Jose Venegas
 

Hi Graham, 

In my SM 278, I mounted the wind generator on top of the mizzen mast and used rubber mounts to reduce any potential noise or vibration (which is not perceivable event when it blows >20).  I do have the radar mounted on the mast but it does not seem to affect whether I hoist the sail starboard or port as long as I pass it on the proper side of the main back stay.  Although my mizzen staysail is the original and a little bit overused, it can still give me one extra nut when the relative wind is behind the beam.  My next purchase will be one that I can use with lower angles in low wind conditions. Unless you move your wind generator to the top of the mast, I don’t see how you can use the mizzen staysail. I will try to upload a pix or two.

 

Fair winds,

 

Jose,

Ipanema SM278

Getting ready for hopefully its last winter in Boston.

 


Re: Bilge Bonding strap connection to the keel - stainless steel or copper

eamonn.washington@...
 

Today I noticed that the copper bar in the grey water tank is completely corroded away at the bottom.  Assuming I get a replacement bar or strap (5mm thick, how long?), how is it mechanically connected to the keel bolt?  Is there a special tool or some trick to do this?  I can’t even see the keel bolt due to the murky water.  I am in the process of cleaning it.

Regards
Eamonn Washington
Travel Bug SM 151
On the hard in Cleopatra Marina, Greece.


Re: Need diesel tank access

eamonn.washington@...
 

I will again suggest that he takes some safety precautions, such as the suggestions here (dry ice, N2, CO2).

There is no room at the top of the tank to make inspection hatches (only possible if the tank is out of the boat).  So he will make 2 wide inspection hatches both of which overlap 2 compartments by 20cm each, thus giving access to all 4 compartments.  These will be near the top of the tank facing but above the engine.  He says he has cut diesel tanks many times, no explosion risk from diesel, but he will have a mate watch him the whole time with a fire extinguisher in case of a fire.  I am letting the tank naturally ventilate via the top electric gauge, before he cuts next week.
 Eamonn, Travel Bug sm 151


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] staysail mizzen setup

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,

In my 8 years I have used the mizzen stay sail often and have never sheeted it to the mizzen boom. I have an eye on the gunwale forward of the aft mooring cleat that I clip a block to. I run it through another turning block to line up to the winch. My wind generator is a a German made Super Wind and is on top of the mizzen. Fantastic location for it. The super wind has self feathering blades that work in strong winds so there is no need to secure the blades in extreme conditions. Agree about the back stay, no problem, just flip around it.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean earl

On 24 October 2017 at 11:57 "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I am pretty sure that having a wind generator on the front of the mizen mast takes the mizzen staysail out of the picture.  I can not see a good way to make sure that the halyard and sail don't get sucked into the blades.  Even if the blades aren't turning, they are going to be a serious hazard to the rather delicate nylon sail.  Maybe somebody else has worked out how to make that happen safely...


Probably the easiest way to attach a block to the end of the mizzen boom is with a spliced loop of spectra or dyneema line larksheaded to the boom that the sheet block then clips to.  From there it will need to go to a block down by the gunwale so you can get a proper lead to a winch.  The mizzen boom is way too high to run the sheet straight to a winch--it WILL over-ride and make a mess.

I am confused about the problem with the back stay...  Just lift the working end of the halyard  over the back stay to the other side... and give it a flip to get it on the proper side of the radar.  What's the issue?  

Bill Kinney
sm160, Harmonie
Harris Creek, Eastern Shore, MD


---In amelyachtowners@..., <smilesbernard@...> wrote :

 
Hi Graham
Sorry to hear of the tangle

Hmm yes i think i understand the problem yo describe with the backstay in the way.... hopefully someone will explain :)

Did you , like others seem to have, attach the mizzen staysail sheets to the mizzed boon outboard end?

I cant quite picture this myself

I presume i'd add a snap shackle to the end of the mizzen boom and run the sheet from the clew through that and back to a winch.....

all the very best 
Miles
maramu #162

On Saturday, October 21, 2017, 9:50:06 PM GMT+1, Graham Cresswell grahamjcresswell@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 

Hi Miles,

Good to see another normal (i.e. not Super-) Maramu. 

I've yet to fly my foc d'artimon as I'm suffering the same confusions as you are.  I had my first try last week and it was a disaster because I didn't notice that my wind generator, which is mounted just below the radar on the mizzen mast, conflicts with the mizzen staysail halyard.  Just as I was about to attach it to the head of the sail, the wind generator wound it up and I spend nearly an hour up the mast unravelling it - fortunately smooth seas! 

However, another problem was revealed.  The mainmast backstay, which is secured at the foot of the mizzen mast, in combination with the wind generator and radar, means that I can't see any way of safely moving the halyard from one side of the boat to the other.  So at the moment, when I pluck up courage, I'll only be able to fly the mizzen staysail on the port tack! 

I'm obviously being stupid as I can't believe this is how it's meant to work. 

If anyone else has faced this problem and found a solution, please share it! 

Graham Cresswell
Jamesby
M240
currently on the hard in Rodney Bay, St Lucia. 


On 20/10/2017 10:11, 'smilesbernard@...' smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:
 
Hello there
I'm considering my sail wardrobe  for a N Atlantic circuit next year
I've seen and heard on this forum that people rate the mizzen staysail highly 
I;ve never owned a ketch before but i'm interested in experimenting with this
However, my boat does not have a mizzen staysail onboard

I would be really interested in how this sail is supposed to be set up on my (not super Maramu
I  have seen a u bolt on deck just fwd of the hard dodger. Is this for the tack or does the tack attach more to windward?

basically any pointers as to tack and sheets much appreciated alond withthoughts on when the sail is best used. Downwind to beam reach, light airs etc? 

Many thank in advance
Miles
Maramu sealove #162


 
 

 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas

Courtney Gorman
 

Awesome, Thanks Jeff I appreciate the information!
Cheers!


-----Original Message-----
From: JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Oct 24, 2017 6:24 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas

 
Mark,
The boats that anchored out ended up on the beach save 2. That was not the case with Irma, which was weathered safely by all. I hope you're doing well these days Mark!

The trip to or from San Juan is about 21/2 hours. I made it in 2 hours last trip. You can fly into Aquadilla, and make the trip to the marina in 45 minutes or less.

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 07:00 PM, itsfun1 Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 
Jeff how long a drive is it to San Juan from there and thank you very much for the information



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: "JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 10/23/17 5:52 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas

 
Courtney,
I'm staying at Marina Pescaderia in Puerto Real (Southwest corner of PR). I'm paying $400 a month. Great spot. Excellent security. Jose Mendez (owner) is great. Spirit will lie there into December.

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14


On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 
Hi guys I was shocked today when I received a Quote for $2106 a month for my 54 at Puerto Del Rey in Fajardo.  This is the reply I received when questioning the price.  Any suggestions for a more reasonable yet safe local.  I will be leaving my boat for just a month?  Thanks
Courtney
s/v Trippin'
Hi Courtney,
 
The .95 is the monthly price for a boat 0-40’, 41’ to 49’ is $1.10 and 50’ to 59’ is $1.30. Prices increase with the boats LOA. In which Marina are you stationed right now? An annual agreement might be close to $800-$900 in PDR which is a hurricane hole as well. I currently have an offer called “Ancho Down for 10 Off” which can give you up to 18% discount when you pre-pay your seasonal agreement. Let me know if you would like to proceed with a reservation.
 
I remain at your service,



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas

Courtney Gorman
 

Thanks Mark
Do you anchor if you are leaving the boat and if so what do you do about security?
Cheers
Courtney


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Mon, Oct 23, 2017 9:55 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas

 
Hi Courtney,
 
We do not stay in a marina unless we plan to be someplace for a month and can get a monthly rate. The short answer to your question is it depends on the island and the marina location. But rule of thumb is about US$1000 for a month, give or take a little.
 
 
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 4:36 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas
 
 
A huge thanks to everyone for there help.  Are all Marinas in the Islands this expensive?
Cheers!
Courtney
s/v Trippin'

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Mon, Oct 23, 2017 3:26 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas
 
Courtney,
 
Try Palmas Del Mar Yacht Club. It is a really top notch facility with reasonable monthly rates. We paid about $1200 for the month earlier this year. Lots of stuff within walking distance and Target Car Rental on site. Excellent security!!!! Costco, Wal-Mart and Ralphs Grocery all nearby. Most of the staff speak English fluently.
 
Tell Glenda that Mark and Cindy from Cream Puff said hello.
 
 
Glenda L. Félix 
The Yacht Club Marina 
Palmas del Mar 
370 Harbour Drive 
Humacao, PR 00791
Tel. 1-787-656-7300
With best regards,
 
Mark
 
Skipper
Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 12:21 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Rican Marinas
 
 
Hi guys I was shocked today when I received a Quote for $2106 a month for my 54 at Puerto Del Rey in Fajardo.  This is the reply I received when questioning the price.  Any suggestions for a more reasonable yet safe local.  I will be leaving my boat for just a month?  Thanks
Courtney
s/v Trippin'
Hi Courtney,
 
The .95 is the monthly price for a boat 0-40’, 41’ to 49’ is $1.10 and 50’ to 59’ is $1.30. Prices increase with the boats LOA. In which Marina are you stationed right now? An annual agreement might be close to $800-$900 in PDR which is a hurricane hole as well. I currently have an offer called “Ancho Down for 10 Off” which can give you up to 18% discount when you pre-pay your seasonal agreement. Let me know if you would like to proceed with a reservation.
 
I remain at your service,