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Re: Bottom paint removal

James Alton
 

Jarek,

First that I have heard of ice blasting but sounds like a good idea.  I would certainly stick to a mechanical removal method to avoid possible damage to the gel coat from harsh chemicals.  In 2017 we were given the job to complete the stripping the bottom, barrier coating and Copper Coating a 45’ Ketch (non Amel).  The owner had been using a water based stripper from West Marine which said right on the package that the product was safe on gel coat and had thrown in the towel when he realized what a big job it was.  We began dry scrapping  (using carbide bladed scrappers)  the hull bare and began finding numerous areas where the gel coat had softened significantly, right down to the glass.  We tried washing the hull with soap and water numerous times and allowing the bottom to dry but the gel coat remained soft in areas.  In the affected areas, the gel coat acted like hard chalk that would turn to powder under the scrapper.  The gel coat on the parts of the boat that were not being stripped was hard as glass.  In fact the hull topsides are of the original gel coat finish, not painted so this softening on the bottom was definitely due to the stripper.   We ended up dry scrapping the paint off and then machine/vacuum sanding off all of the gel coat right down to the glass.   We even found some minor softening in the outer glass layers.  Keep in mind that the polyester resin in the hull is very similar chemically to the gel coat.    Now it is true that the owner of this boat was not following the instructions for the stripper in that he left the material on the hull for an extended period (months) so certainly this was a factor.  But the fact of the matter is that there are strippers that can do permanent damage to gel coat and I personally would not take the chance of damaging such a large part of the hull to save a little time stripping a bottom.  

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueño
Maramu #220

On Jul 9, 2020, at 5:32 PM, Jarek Zemlo via groups.io <noa_blue@...> wrote:

Just did the ice blasting to the gel-coat of my AMEL SM in Belgium and put 3 layers of epoxy + 2 layers of antifouling. Ice blasting was very nice and gentle to the gel-coat. Paid EUR 3.000 gross for the ice-blasting including disposal and cleaning.
--
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Porter,
A suitable relay would be something similar to OMRON G2RL1. 

You are correct that a 24V pump operated at12V would deliver about half the volume, and yes the volume is certainly important for the cooling performance.  However, as with medication, the correct amount is best, more than enough is not necessarily better due to side effects (pump wear).

best regards
Dean

SY Stella
A54-154




 

 

 


Re: Bottom paint removal

Mark McGovern
 

Paul,

The keel did not yet have the bottom paint applied to it in the picture I posted.  The gray color is the epoxy coating.

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Dive Compressor on a SM

Alan Leslie
 

Sorry, no reason to stop you.
We have one..it's brilliant, not just for us, but helping others to fill their bottles when 000's of miles from civilisation.
We were in Suwarrow in 2014 and one boat had wrapped their chain around a bommie. He soon ran out of air and asked me "you don't have a compressor on board do you?", YUP we do, and two full bottles...so bring your bottle and take one of ours while I fill yours ! ... got him out of trouble!
Only down side is it is VERY NOISY !!
Overall you won't regret it.
It's only money after all. What else are you going to do with it ?

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: Bottom paint removal

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Mark,

 

I may have missed something in this thread, but why is the keel a different colour?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark McGovern
Sent: 09 July 2020 17:00
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal

 

Pat,

 

HHN uses fairly large timbers for a boat our size - roughly 8"x8".  It gave me just enough room to lay on my side, and use and grind the old epoxy back.  It was gruelling work and OSHA would definitely not approve as I had to remove the safety guard off the angle grinder, as well the handle, and use it one-handed - pretty much by "feel" since I couldn't see the surface I was grinding while grinding.  It came out OK, but as I said above, in hindsight, I should have just let Osprey do the whole thing.  Here is a pic of the finished keel:

 

 

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 9:11 PM Patrick McAneny via groups.io <sailw32=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Mark, So it sounds as though they were able to do most of the bottom of the keel,correct ? That surprises me ,I would have thought the keel would be too close to the ground to work on,unless it is on tall blocks. Normally I am less than 6 inches off the ground. Sandblasting is hard work ,but it is amazing that a marina will ask you to pay $7,000. for one man/day of work . I did not accept their offer ,but $3000 .,while still a lot like you said ,does save you a lot of work ,not many options ,can't do it yourself,so they can charge what they want,little competition . I will try the paste removal stuff and if it does not work out ,I will give J.J. a call.

Thanks Again,

Pat

SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal

Pat,

They are making a killing even at that price as it takes them only one day and it is pretty much just one guy doing the work.  However, it was still worth the cost when you compare it to the time and materials that it will cost you to do it yourself, nevermind the wear and tear on your body! 

Discuss the bottom of the keel with JJ.  If I remember correctly, for them to do the whole bottom it would have required a re-block of the boat by the yard (~$300ish) while they have the boat in their section of the yard.  And then because I was doing more work on the hard, I was going to need yet another re-block to move me out of Ospreys section of the yard to my spot on the hard.  So I just had Osprey do the bottom of the keel that was exposed and then when the marina moved the boat out of Ospreys area to my spot on the hard I asked them to make sure the timbers under the keel were in different spots.  I then ground back and epoxy coated the two "stripes" under the keel myself.  In hindsight, I should have just paid Osprey to do the whole bottom of the keel.  Grinding the old epoxy off the bottom of that keel while laying down on gravel is NOT fun!


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Hardtop for Amel 54

Paul Dowd and Sharon Brown
 

Barry,

 

This is something I’ve been interested in too. What changes did you make to the boom line? Would you have a photo?

 

Cheers,

Paul

S/Y Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98 - Grenada

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Barry Connor via groups.io
Sent: 10 July 2020 00:42
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Hardtop for Amel 54

 

Hello Amel 54 owners,

I have seen and been onboard some Amel 54's with custom Hardtops. Most are a little low in height.
We are in Martinique since March and will probably be here for some time as the Caribbean is not looking to be opening up for sailing soon.
A good time to undertake some projects. 
Do any Amel 54 owners have any recommendations for getting a custom made hardtop manufactured in the Caribbean? I would like to explore this possibility, I currently have had made a 5 bow Bimini with 6ft clearance under. I am looking for someone in the Caribbean who has made a Hardtop for a 54 or If I could find someone who does good fibre glass. I think I might be able to get a hardtop with 6ft clearance under as I have already made the changes to the boom line which had previously limited the height of hardtops and a bimini.
Would appreciate any advise from members who have any info for this project.

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sante Anne anchorage Martinique 


--
Cheers
Paul
Ya Fohi - Amel 54 #98


Re: Dive Compressor on a SM

Porter McRoberts
 

I’m with Mark. 
Super easy to maintain. Such a pleasure. 
Opens a whole new world. 
Do it!

Porter 
A54-152

Excuse the errors.  
Sent from my IPhone 
Www.fouribis.net

On Jul 10, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



Do it – it’s only money.

 

We have one. It’s not hard to maintain and I can fill a tank to 3200psi in about 20 mins.

 

Think about all the many locations in French Polynesia where you can’t get tanks filled. Having the compressor opens up a whole new world for sailors who dive.

 

Opps! Sorry. You wanted reasons not to do it. Can’t think of any other than you might miss the storage space and your boat will list more to port than it does now.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Dive Compressor on a SM

 

OK- I have hull #422 (a red line) and each day I wistfully look at that un-used dive compressor breaker on the 220 volt panel and feel like it's talking to me. My wife and I are enthusiastic divers heading (hopefully) back to Polynesia where diving would be fun and not always close to a dive shop.
There is even a comprehensive design for a sliding drawer mounting in the aft  port cockpit lazarette I like on this very site. I am in Hawaii, have access to Home Depot and shipping (the Bauer Jr II) comes from Seattle ...it's all so tempting.

The logical part of my brain, however reminds me that it's noisy, represents another system to maintain, $5000 to buy and install myself, and would doubtless raise the cost of diving based on my accounting driven cost per tank assumptions and those I've read done by others.

But I kind of want it. Anyone out there with some bit of pessimism or wisdom to stop me ?

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
Honelei Bay, Kauai


Re: Dive Compressor on a SM

Bryce Procter
 

Hi,

I just picked up mine yesterday, didn't even look for a reason not too. Fun will be had long after the cost is forgotten.
Can you point me to the drawings you mentioned?

Cheers

Bryce
SV Seamaster II
SM 467




On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:06 AM +0800, "Thomas Kleman" <lorient422@...> wrote:

OK- I have hull #422 (a red line) and each day I wistfully look at that un-used dive compressor breaker on the 220 volt panel and feel like it's talking to me. My wife and I are enthusiastic divers heading (hopefully) back to Polynesia where diving would be fun and not always close to a dive shop.
There is even a comprehensive design for a sliding drawer mounting in the aft  port cockpit lazarette I like on this very site. I am in Hawaii, have access to Home Depot and shipping (the Bauer Jr II) comes from Seattle ...it's all so tempting.

The logical part of my brain, however reminds me that it's noisy, represents another system to maintain, $5000 to buy and install myself, and would doubtless raise the cost of diving based on my accounting driven cost per tank assumptions and those I've read done by others.

But I kind of want it. Anyone out there with some bit of pessimism or wisdom to stop me ?

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
Honelei Bay, Kauai


Re: Dive Compressor on a SM

Mark Erdos
 

Do it – it’s only money.

 

We have one. It’s not hard to maintain and I can fill a tank to 3200psi in about 20 mins.

 

Think about all the many locations in French Polynesia where you can’t get tanks filled. Having the compressor opens up a whole new world for sailors who dive.

 

Opps! Sorry. You wanted reasons not to do it. Can’t think of any other than you might miss the storage space and your boat will list more to port than it does now.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 5:07 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Dive Compressor on a SM

 

OK- I have hull #422 (a red line) and each day I wistfully look at that un-used dive compressor breaker on the 220 volt panel and feel like it's talking to me. My wife and I are enthusiastic divers heading (hopefully) back to Polynesia where diving would be fun and not always close to a dive shop.
There is even a comprehensive design for a sliding drawer mounting in the aft  port cockpit lazarette I like on this very site. I am in Hawaii, have access to Home Depot and shipping (the Bauer Jr II) comes from Seattle ...it's all so tempting.

The logical part of my brain, however reminds me that it's noisy, represents another system to maintain, $5000 to buy and install myself, and would doubtless raise the cost of diving based on my accounting driven cost per tank assumptions and those I've read done by others.

But I kind of want it. Anyone out there with some bit of pessimism or wisdom to stop me ?

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
Honelei Bay, Kauai


Dive Compressor on a SM

Thomas Kleman
 

OK- I have hull #422 (a red line) and each day I wistfully look at that un-used dive compressor breaker on the 220 volt panel and feel like it's talking to me. My wife and I are enthusiastic divers heading (hopefully) back to Polynesia where diving would be fun and not always close to a dive shop.
There is even a comprehensive design for a sliding drawer mounting in the aft  port cockpit lazarette I like on this very site. I am in Hawaii, have access to Home Depot and shipping (the Bauer Jr II) comes from Seattle ...it's all so tempting.

The logical part of my brain, however reminds me that it's noisy, represents another system to maintain, $5000 to buy and install myself, and would doubtless raise the cost of diving based on my accounting driven cost per tank assumptions and those I've read done by others.

But I kind of want it. Anyone out there with some bit of pessimism or wisdom to stop me ?

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
Honelei Bay, Kauai


Re: Replace Yanmar Exhaust Hose

Mark Erdos
 

Agree with Tom! Be aware of the bend radius. Once the hose kinks it is trash.

 

Rule of thumb; the bend radius of a corrugated wire reinforced hose is 4 times the inside diameter of the hose.

 

IMO – Silicone hoses are better (and more expensive)

 

Coat the elbow and exhaust fittings with dawn detergent for an easier fit.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas Kleman
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 11:41 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Replace Yanmar Exhaust Hose

 

Just did the main engine exhaust from the mixing elbow to the muffler. Discovered how important bend radius is in the hose. Mine was 4 1/2 inches and I needed every bit of that plus some wrestling.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422


Re: Replace Yanmar Exhaust Hose

Thomas Kleman
 

Just did the main engine exhaust from the mixing elbow to the muffler. Discovered how important bend radius is in the hose. Mine was 4 1/2 inches and I needed every bit of that plus some wrestling.

Tom and Kirstin
SV L'ORIENT
SM2K 422


Re: Bottom paint removal

Jarek Zemlo
 

Just did the ice blasting to the gel-coat of my AMEL SM in Belgium and put 3 layers of epoxy + 2 layers of antifouling. Ice blasting was very nice and gentle to the gel-coat. Paid EUR 3.000 gross for the ice-blasting including disposal and cleaning.
--
Jarek Zemlo
NOA BLUE


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Porter McRoberts
 

Bill in your schematic,
The relays are 12VDC control and 24VDC load circuit, easy to put a 2-3 amp fuse on the load circuit.
I've searched for this relay and find it quite difficult to find the definitive solution.  Commonly the reverse is found.
I’d like to build a control board for the pumps.
Might you have a source, or nomenclature that would reveal this hidden gem on the web for me?

A second question:  running a 24v pump at 12v, surely spares the pump, but will it affect the pump volume, as the 1.5+ GPH is quite important, yes?

Always appreciated,

Porter
S/V IBIS A54-152

On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:30 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

Jamie,

I wish I was on your 54 with you because I have a burning question about all of this. and I have a recommendation for you.

My burning question:
If you see the schematic in my previous post in this thread, you will notice the schematic from a Frigoboat manual. The source of the voltage output from the E51385 blue box to the water pump originates in this schematic with each of the Danfoss Compressor Controllers at the F terminal. In fact, the two wires for each fridge unit come directly from the Danfoss to the E51385. The Frigoboat manual clearly states, regardless of the voltage of the fridge the output on the two F terminals is 12 volts. BTW, the Danfoss operates on 12 or 24 volts, but always outputs 12 volts to Terminal F. Have you checked the output voltage on each of the Danfoss on terminal F and the terminal next to it? I do not see any other way that the E51385 blue box can output 24 volts and if there is 24 volts on the Danfoss fan terminals, I suspect something is wrong with the Danfoss.

My recommendation:
Why don't you do this eliminating the E51385 and eliminate the limitation on amps on the Danfoss terminal F, and run a 24-volt pump??:
<Relays to control water pump.jpg>
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:02 PM Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:
OK, my "final" update on the Flojet pump and Frigoboat E51385  interface. I cannot explain it, but the interface is definitely out-putting 24 volts to the pump at all times.
Maybe my interface is malfunctioning, so I installed a solid-state relay and a DC converter to step the voltage down to 12 volts. I used a 24-volt relay in place of the E
51385 pump connection and then feed the converter and pump via the live 24-volt terminal box in the engine room. The relay simply engages the pump when the compressors call for it.

A bit more complicated than I would like but the pump runs perfectly now and obviously I no longer get the pump overload signals at the interface. The higher capacity pump may draw more power, but it really cools down the 3 refrigerator units fast.

My next task is to get the brushless motor working to replace the Flojet motor. I will drive it directly via the 24-volt terminal block and eliminate the DC converter.

Until then I am "over and out" regarding this perplexing issue with the E
51385. I really appreciate all the suggestions and assistance, but will report once I have the brushless motor controller operational. That will be the gold standard.

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44




Re: Hardtop for Amel 54

Barry Connor
 

Thank's I will check with them. That is what I am looking for, someone with experience who has done this. I am hoping to be able to  make one with 6ft clearance under.

Very Best

Barry

On Thursday, July 9, 2020, 4:53:10 PM EDT, Courtney Gorman via groups.io <itsfun1@...> wrote:


Check with Amel Caraibes I believe there was a hardtop manufactured there a couple of years ago they should know which boat did it and who did the fiberglass work maybe the mold is still available


On Jul 9, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hello Amel 54 owners,

I have seen and been onboard some Amel 54's with custom Hardtops. Most are a little low in height.
We are in Martinique since March and will probably be here for some time as the Caribbean is not looking to be opening up for sailing soon.
A good time to undertake some projects. 
Do any Amel 54 owners have any recommendations for getting a custom made hardtop manufactured in the Caribbean? I would like to explore this possibility, I currently have had made a 5 bow Bimini with 6ft clearance under. I am looking for someone in the Caribbean who has made a Hardtop for a 54 or If I could find someone who does good fibre glass. I think I might be able to get a hardtop with 6ft clearance under as I have already made the changes to the boom line which had previously limited the height of hardtops and a bimini.
Would appreciate any advise from members who have any info for this project.

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sante Anne anchorage Martinique 


Re: Hardtop for Amel 54

Courtney Gorman
 

Check with Amel Caraibes I believe there was a hardtop manufactured there a couple of years ago they should know which boat did it and who did the fiberglass work maybe the mold is still available


On Jul 9, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Barry Connor via groups.io <connor_barry@...> wrote:

Hello Amel 54 owners,

I have seen and been onboard some Amel 54's with custom Hardtops. Most are a little low in height.
We are in Martinique since March and will probably be here for some time as the Caribbean is not looking to be opening up for sailing soon.
A good time to undertake some projects. 
Do any Amel 54 owners have any recommendations for getting a custom made hardtop manufactured in the Caribbean? I would like to explore this possibility, I currently have had made a 5 bow Bimini with 6ft clearance under. I am looking for someone in the Caribbean who has made a Hardtop for a 54 or If I could find someone who does good fibre glass. I think I might be able to get a hardtop with 6ft clearance under as I have already made the changes to the boom line which had previously limited the height of hardtops and a bimini.
Would appreciate any advise from members who have any info for this project.

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sante Anne anchorage Martinique 


Hardtop for Amel 54

Barry Connor
 

Hello Amel 54 owners,

I have seen and been onboard some Amel 54's with custom Hardtops. Most are a little low in height.
We are in Martinique since March and will probably be here for some time as the Caribbean is not looking to be opening up for sailing soon.
A good time to undertake some projects. 
Do any Amel 54 owners have any recommendations for getting a custom made hardtop manufactured in the Caribbean? I would like to explore this possibility, I currently have had made a 5 bow Bimini with 6ft clearance under. I am looking for someone in the Caribbean who has made a Hardtop for a 54 or If I could find someone who does good fibre glass. I think I might be able to get a hardtop with 6ft clearance under as I have already made the changes to the boom line which had previously limited the height of hardtops and a bimini.
Would appreciate any advise from members who have any info for this project.

Best Regards

Barry and Penny
"SV Lady Penelope II"
Amel 54.  #17
Sante Anne anchorage Martinique 


Re: Oil seal for SM bowthruster

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Paul,

 123bearing.com have them !  No one else seems to.

 Thanks again,

 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada


From: Ian Jenkins <ianjudyjenkins@...>
Sent: 09 July 2020 17:09
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil seal for SM bowthruster
 
Thanks, Paul,

I'll try them.

 Ian

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...>
Sent: 09 July 2020 11:13
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil seal for SM bowthruster
 
I ordered a lot of seals and bearings from 123bearing.com, with quick delivery to Portugal 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Oil seal for SM bowthruster

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Thanks, Paul,

I'll try them.

 Ian


From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...>
Sent: 09 July 2020 11:13
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io <main@amelyachtowners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Oil seal for SM bowthruster
 
I ordered a lot of seals and bearings from 123bearing.com, with quick delivery to Portugal 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Re: Bottom paint removal

Aras Grinius
 

Shiny, clean and new looking.  Mark you can do my Bottom anytime....



Aras Grinius
SV FIASCO Sharki #163