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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,
I have been around for too long. I have insured things nautical and private and business for 40 plus years. I have had mostly good experiences with claims. Some excellent some good, and only two shockers. Both shockers were I think caused by the individual appointed by the insurers to asses the claim. If you don't like the look of the appointee, ask for another.
However, if you are offered a policy with a Lloyds company called Haven Knox Johnson you will find the premiums cheap, but in my view you should consider very carefully before you insure with them
Danny



From: "divanz620@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2017 9:49 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

 
Hi Colin,
We go through a broker and the insurance eventually ends up with Lloyds.
Very few restrictions....single handing was on the list and they came back with some stupid deal of only daytime and no more than 100nm. Well I went back to the broker and said come on that's ridiculous, where am I going to sail in the Pacific that fits that...he said, well tell me what you want...OK, for example Port Vila to Noumea...that's few hundred miles and a couple of overnights.
He came back with OK agreed to that but your policy excess will double for single handing.
Of course I've never had to make a claim on this policy but I must say the broker is always co-operative in finding solutions....I have known him a long time.
I did investigate Pantaneus Australia some time ago, but they had some funny clauses I seem to remember and were quite expensive, but they had only just started then.
As for rigging, my insurance doesn't have a 10 year requirement, but I had all the standing rigging replaced last year as it was 12 years old....didn't show any signs of fatigue, but, as a precaution I did it any way.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437



Re: Motor Mount Replacement

Craig Briggs
 

Hi Denis,
I should think so, although I've not done it on a Maramu. You may even be able to do it without disconnecting the drive train, or even the other motor mounts, relying on the flex in the coupling and motor mounts to give you enough wiggle room to slip in the new mount. Although being the aft mount, closest to the drive coupling may not allow it. Seems worth a go and you can always disconnect anything that prevents doing so. Maybe Airops Dave or other Maramu owners can give you more precise input.
Sounds like a fun project - enjoy!
Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris


---In amelyachtowners@..., <sbmesasailor@...> wrote :

My 34 year old Perkins has lost a motor mount and I've never replaced one.  I presume the engine has to be lifted.  The motor mount is port side aft, can I get away with disconnecting the drive train and lifting just the rear?

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121
Currently in St. Barts


Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

Alan Leslie
 

Hi Colin,
We go through a broker and the insurance eventually ends up with Lloyds.
Very few restrictions....single handing was on the list and they came back with some stupid deal of only daytime and no more than 100nm. Well I went back to the broker and said come on that's ridiculous, where am I going to sail in the Pacific that fits that...he said, well tell me what you want...OK, for example Port Vila to Noumea...that's few hundred miles and a couple of overnights.
He came back with OK agreed to that but your policy excess will double for single handing.
Of course I've never had to make a claim on this policy but I must say the broker is always co-operative in finding solutions....I have known him a long time.
I did investigate Pantaneus Australia some time ago, but they had some funny clauses I seem to remember and were quite expensive, but they had only just started then.
As for rigging, my insurance doesn't have a 10 year requirement, but I had all the standing rigging replaced last year as it was 12 years old....didn't show any signs of fatigue, but, as a precaution I did it any way.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Is a Monohull (AMEL) the right choice?

SV Perigee
 

Hi Porter,

Ahh, the dastardly debate - cat versus mono.  We faced this choice a few years back, before we even knew what an AMEL was . . . So you are well ahead of the curve.

Ours was a choice between 'conventional' mono versus cat.  So we - as mono sailors through and through - crewed on a Cat (Lagoon 420) trans-oceanic - through the Panama, Galapagos, French Polynesia - so as to find out first hand.  Low risk way to check it out.  We concluded, as others have reported:

CAT = 
- hobby-horsing
- noisy and banging and shuddering in ocean seas, to the point of worrying about structural integrity, but this never proved to be a problem
- could not get used to not being able to 'feel' the boat under sail
- relying accordingly more on instrument to sail, rather than tell-tales and wind-on-the-cheeks

Positives of a cat: as said, privacy, spaciousness, manoeuvrability in tight quarters (when two engines running, otherwise . . . .  )

Speed under way was not an issue either way, as a priamry criteria for the kind of Boat - eithe cat OR mono - that we were consdering.

Ultimately, it was for us it the ability to 'feel" the boat under sail, which was the determining fator for cat vs mono.Our 'mission statement': prolonged remote-area and blue-water cruising, most often but not always short-handed, owners being a M+F couple of retiring years (not muscle-bound athletic types).  For good measure, the fact of only one propulsion engine to break - less complexity to worry about when things DO go wrong.  Having decided this, then the option for us was clear.  Mono.  And the mission then lead us to a sail-plan supporting ease of sail-handling (and flexibility / redundancy if/when something breaks).  = Ketch.  And solo watches = protected cockpit, requiring also (for the fatigue-management of the off-watch) ease of sail-handling, which meant powered primary sail-controls, with (preferably) designed-in manual redundancy.  Once we had established the functional criteria, this is lead us to discover the AMEL. The level of other 'domestic' aspects, dish-washer, washing machine, not so important, but nice as 'added bonus' once the decision was made.

As was most of the 'other stuff', but all of which concreted the wisdom of the decision.  We went to cruising forums (physical, in-person, not on-line) and searched/visited other boat brands/configurations to try to dislodge our choice of an AMEL but, simply, could not do so.  Only then, did we start to refine the age, equipment spec, and hone in on the vessel that we eventually bought 4 months back.

That is our story.  I know everyone has their own path, and prioritising what is important is a personal choice.  But your 'mission spec' - long-term blue water, short-handed, kids = safety is paramount, seems to be roughly the same.  My belief is that you can not do better than AMEL for this.  When/if, we decide to 'retire' to coastal/inshore cruising, then we figure that a cat may well be the answer. If so, then we figure that a well-maintained AMEL will hold her value more so than other 'plastic fanstatics' , but that is yet another story for a, hopefully, much later time.

Hope this helps you in your quest,

Blue skies,

David
Novice Boat Owner
PERIGEE, SM#396, Martinique

On Tuesday, January 24, 2017, 03:38, W Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Let me start by again thanking you for all your help along the way.

I’d set to purchasing an AMEL54  and am quite committed, researched the brand and boat for a long time now.  

Recently a friend and long time sailor also professional captain of a 200’ private yacht commented after i showed him the AMEL 54:

Having lived on my own sailboat and worked for years on other owners sailboats, I highly recommend you looking into a Catamaran!  Like the one the listing broker has like a Lagoon 500!
You get twice the space, 2 engines, they are faster and have a shallow draft for anchoring in many places you will not get into with a mono-hull.  The salon and aft outside seating area are very roomy so you don't get cramped.  Mono-hull's you are always sleeping at a angle and cooking too.  I would never run one again just because of not being able to relax more like you can with a Cat hull.  The only down-side is that you usually need to be docked on the end or T-head of the marinas because of how much wider their beam is.    The best part of sailing is getting to the next destination and relaxing and enjoying the freedom of where you are.  The Cat-hull lets you stretch-out and really enjoy where you are with much more inside and outside space.  
If you have not tried one, I think you should go charter for 2-3 days a Catamaran in the BVI's then a Mono-hull and see what you think!  
You are about to spend a-lot of money and do a major life change.  I just don't want you to jump into it without trying all the options available. I have spent years and thousands of miles on Mono-hull sailboats and would never do it again with the great Catamaran options that are out there. 

I am about to pull the trigger, am I making the right choice?
I was pretty certain i was until the above response.


Could you lend me your thoughts?

Were a family of four with plans for an around the world cruise for at least 4 years.  
Am i making a mistake?  I am the kind of person who once he makes a decision then makes certain it's the right one and goes with it.  

Its very much appreciated.

Thank you again Porter















Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Well said Bill
Danny




From: "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2017 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

 
Colin,

A suggestion about insurance:  Be very careful about applying anecdotal information from other people about policy provisions and costs.  It is a VERY localized business because of very different local regulations, and also VERY dependent on the individual provisions of the policy.  This is one area you can not short circuit doing your own work shopping your exact situation.

Just by way of example: We have a policy with Pantaenius America specifically written for long distance cruising.  We have no single-hand sailing restriction, and we pay about half what other people have quoted as "the cost" of a Pantaenius policy.  Maybe that is because our boat is older and less valuable, maybe because we were careful about what we chose as our cruising region, or maybe because of our sailing experience and background, maybe all three. I know that if we insisted on coverage in the Caribbean during Hurricane season, our policy would be much more expensive.  We don't want to be in the Caribbean during Hurricane season, so it is nice to have the option to NOT pay for that coverage.

Certainly any policy that had a restriction to constantly being manned at anchor would immediately be off our list.  That is written by a company who either does not understand a cruising sailboat, or does not want that business, or is trying to weasel out of claims, or (my bet!) all of the above. In any case, that is not somebody I want to do business with.

Finally, don't take a policy "as-written."  If there are things that are unacceptable to you, go back to the broker and talk about them.  You'll find some of these things are negotiable, sometimes for a price, sometimes just for asking.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Providenciales, Turks and Caicos Islands






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

SV Perigee
 

Hi all,
I shopped around when pre-insuring PERIGEE.  There were a few 'hems and haws' from various brokers - I went as direct as I could.  It boiled down to two however, Pantaenius USA or AUST.  When it came to the crunch, the USA policy documents (and general approach) did not recognise my prior nautical experience and RYA certifications.   For example, requiring a training skipper for an indeterminate amount of time, sign-off, and so on.  The folks at Pant's AUST however did take this into account, noting however the Hurricane Window for the Caribbean and 'no single handing >100nm or at night' provisos.  I can easily live with these, as this is not my intended modus operandi in any case.

Then, when I engaged paid crew to assit me on the leg Norfolk-Martinique (profi skipper, to act as FIrst Mate to support me in the oceanic leg south)  Pantaenius AUST was quick on the uptake on the change of plans when I needed to change crewing arrangements, understanding why without qualm, and then rapidly assessed the CVs of the paid crew so that could engage these good guys without delay.  This happened without an increase in premium.  Great flexibility, and speed to respond.

The prices between USA and AUST were ball-park comparable.  USA was, in my eye, overly legalistic.  AUST 'common sense' wording.

As an aside, I was expecting to need to replace the standing rigging almost immediately.  But - for my own piece of mind only - I got a rigging survey, and it came out very well - Moonshot had been lightly used, and on the hard for >50% of the recent years (with spars taken down over winter, some winters).  As a courtesy, expecting nothing, I submitted the rigging report to Pantaenius AUST, and they - unasked - extended the 10 year provision accordingly.  Thus giving me some flexibility and breathing space to choose the place and time of the inevitable replacement before the Trans-ATL or Trans-PAC crossing, or 'on condition '.  I will in any case do my own inspections at least every 6 months and before offshore/ocean work, and pay for a professional inspection annually, at least until I understand what I am seeing with an owner-skipper's eye.

I keep the insurer appraised of my sailing plans, and of the general state of what is going on. Perhaps, but perhaps not, this is paying dividends in the relationship as for the latitude being offered for favourable interpretations - I actively maintain dialogue, and take the 'suggestions' of the insurer seriously.  The message is that that I treat the insurer as an involved stake-holder, rather than 'you'll only hear from me when things go / have gone wrong' and, thus far, it is working out for me, that is, with the Aussie agents anyway.

On the basis of my limited experience - admittedly, like others, with out a claim yet made, and hopefully never needing to do so - I would heartily recommend investigating Pantaenius Australia for anyone weighing the various options for cruising insurance.

Happy to provide relevant contact details via PM/eM (eMail).

Blue skies,

David
PERIGEE, SM#396, Martinique

On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, 18:22, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

We had an issue with our insurance last fall. PANTAENIUS did not renewed our insurance as our standing rigg was older than 10 years. We asked several insurance companies and ended up with Y Yacht in England. Wery swift reply. Very competitive price and the fine print looked good to us. Have not had any claim yet, its first then you know if you picked the right insurance company or not. Some English cruisers we meet said they where good to deal with
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#295


Re: Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

Paul Osterberg
 

We had an issue with our insurance last fall. PANTAENIUS did not renewed our insurance as our standing rigg was older than 10 years. We asked several insurance companies and ended up with Y Yacht in England. Wery swift reply. Very competitive price and the fine print looked good to us. Have not had any claim yet, its first then you know if you picked the right insurance company or not. Some English cruisers we meet said they where good to deal with
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#295


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Where to Lay up (US East coast)

karkauai
 

I just asked a girlfriend from St Michaels.  She says best prices are going to be south end of the bay west side.  Matthews, James River, Reedville ( smells bad from menhaden processing plant), Mobjack Bay.  Google marinas those areas and if you find something that looks good, ask specifically.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

karkauai
 

Hi Paul.  I had my boat in Deltaville Marina for 4 years May-Nov.  It's not the cheapest place but they are very Amel savvy and your boat will be safe.  The entrance is a little tricky, but they'll come lead you in the first time if you need help.  The boat yard is, again, very good and Amel savvy.  There are many others on the Chesapeake, but if I leave my boat up there again, that's likely where I'd leave it.

Kent
Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

Stephen Davis
 

All very good advice. We also have Pantaenius America, and for the first couple of years we're required to be at a Lattitude just north of Jacksonville, Florida by 15 July. Some policy's require you be north of Cape Hatteras by 1 June, and we thought the Pantaenius America policy to be fairly generous. Our policy cost with a hull value of $285k was about $2400.

We have now been in the Caribbean for over a year, and have just renewed our policy for $4100 without the previously mentioned geographic restrictions. We also lowered the hull value to $225k which is closer to the market value of the boat on today's market, and that saved us about $1300. When we renew next year, it will be for coverage through the Panama Canal, and to the South Pacific. I expect the premium will increase again with that coverage, but don't know yet.

We have thought of self insuring, but are not at a point where the premium has increased enough to warrant that. Having owned 7 boats over a period of 32 years, and never having made an insurance claim, it is a bit frustrating to keep paying so much money for insurance. With that said, we have been happy with the service provided by Pantaenius America, and Scott Stusek, our broker in Annapolis.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Guadeloupe

On Feb 1, 2017, at 10:03, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Pantaenius America


Motor Mount Replacement

sbmesasailor
 

My 34 year old Perkins has lost a motor mount and I've never replaced one.  I presume the engine has to be lifted.  The motor mount is port side aft, can I get away with disconnecting the drive train and lifting just the rear?

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121
Currently in St. Barts


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

greatketch@...
 

Colin,

A suggestion about insurance:  Be very careful about applying anecdotal information from other people about policy provisions and costs.  It is a VERY localized business because of very different local regulations, and also VERY dependent on the individual provisions of the policy.  This is one area you can not short circuit doing your own work shopping your exact situation.

Just by way of example: We have a policy with Pantaenius America specifically written for long distance cruising.  We have no single-hand sailing restriction, and we pay about half what other people have quoted as "the cost" of a Pantaenius policy.  Maybe that is because our boat is older and less valuable, maybe because we were careful about what we chose as our cruising region, or maybe because of our sailing experience and background, maybe all three. I know that if we insisted on coverage in the Caribbean during Hurricane season, our policy would be much more expensive.  We don't want to be in the Caribbean during Hurricane season, so it is nice to have the option to NOT pay for that coverage.

Certainly any policy that had a restriction to constantly being manned at anchor would immediately be off our list.  That is written by a company who either does not understand a cruising sailboat, or does not want that business, or is trying to weasel out of claims, or (my bet!) all of the above. In any case, that is not somebody I want to do business with.

Finally, don't take a policy "as-written."  If there are things that are unacceptable to you, go back to the broker and talk about them.  You'll find some of these things are negotiable, sometimes for a price, sometimes just for asking.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Providenciales, Turks and Caicos Islands




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Very interesting information Colin,

I am currently an “unhappy” customer of Helvetia (contracted through insurance DeLassee), still in search of another insurance…
Therefore, I am "single handed" covered but limited to 24 hours of sailing and not restricted to sail at night (which is what I always do to arrive early morning).
Also not limited to anchor and leave the vessel unmanned.

Panteanius was high on my list, because people on the forum seem to have a good experience following claim and also they fully cover lightning damages, but I found their coverage price expensive… 6706 Euro (or $7200) with a 4000 Euro deductible.
Now they are unfortunately out…

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI




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On Wed, 2/1/17, colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, February 1, 2017, 6:01 AM


 









Ahead of cruising this year we are keen to
compare and decide on the most suitable insurance for global
cruising. We have been with Panteanius since 2011 and they
are great but we have never actually needed to claim yet and
have mainly cruised locally.
On trawling through this site Panteanius
appears to have a lot of support, however there are now
recent comments about their Caribbean and Pacific insurance
no longer being competitively priced, and on Island Pearl II
we have a specific concern reading our policy in detail
today with their "single handed clause - no cover if
sailing between dusk and dawn or on a passage >
100nm!!" Although
we normally sail 2 up there will be times when I am sailing
some shorter passages alone so absolutely cannot accept
insurance coverage with such a clause included in
future.
Furthermore on
other forums I am reading of 2016/7 coverage changes
(various insurance companies - not sure if Panteanius
specific?) where the boat must be manned at all times when
anchored to be able to move out the way in case of collision
with other vessels who have dragged their anchors.or no
coverage!!" Imagine the problems this creates in never
being able to go ashore together...
The other recommended companies
mentioned are  2.    
AIG
(USA) – Eric #376;(2016), 3.    
Allianz
files on site?? (2008), 4.    
NZ
Broker ?? Danny – 0.65% of value – possibly Alan
too?, 5.    
IMIS Annapolis,
Maryland, USA.
"Jackline policy", call Gary Golden at 410-827-3757
Ruth Moondog
sm248 (2009), 6.    
K Drewe Insurance Brokers in UK www.kdibonline.co.uk  $ 2,185 . My SM2K, 'MAIA'
#293 (2009) Peter Aubrey, 7.    
GJW insurance www.gjwltd.co.uk
,8.    
AXA UK – (not competitive) 9.    
French insurance http://www.assurances-delassee.com/  
have a program especially for Amel.  Mr Geoffroy de
Lasse. BeBe was insured with
Helvetia written by Assurances
deLassee in
France. http://www.assurances-delassee.com/   Françoise
GODINEAU <fgodineau"at"assurances-delassee.com>.
.(2014), 10.    
Y Yachts. Half the price and
excess for named storms much better too. They have special
cover for Oyster
Yachts and are now looking to offer same for Amel owners. MD
had Maramu fir 10
years Ian,
'Ocean Hobo' SN 96 (2016)
Those of you who have "single
handed" coverage please let us know who you have gone
with, and your experience / recommendations.. (possibly even
if anyone actually has this coverage included with
Panteanius elsewhere?) 
Much
appreciated
Colin Streeter,
Island Pearl IIAmel 53 #332, Back home in Brisbane
today.










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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

VLADIMIR SONSEV
 

Herrington Harbor North is the best place for on land storage.  But you definitely need a car to go anywhere. My boat is currently in Herrington Harbor North. Contact me if you are in the area. I live in Edgewater. That is South of Annapolis.

Vladimir Sonsev
Tel/Text: 202 258 1916
SM #345 "LIFE IS GOOD"


On Feb 1, 2017 6:59 AM, "osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Thank you Pat
Will definitely do that if and when we passing by.
Paul


Insurance (2016/7) - Single handed coverage??

islandpearl2_sm2k332
 

Ahead of cruising this year we are keen to compare and decide on the most suitable insurance for global cruising. We have been with Panteanius since 2011 and they are great but we have never actually needed to claim yet and have mainly cruised locally.


On trawling through this site Panteanius appears to have a lot of support, however there are now recent comments about their Caribbean and Pacific insurance no longer being competitively priced, and on Island Pearl II we have a specific concern reading our policy in detail today with their "single handed clause - no cover if sailing between dusk and dawn or on a passage > 100nm!!" Although we normally sail 2 up there will be times when I am sailing some shorter passages alone so absolutely cannot accept insurance coverage with such a clause included in future.


Furthermore on other forums I am reading of 2016/7 coverage changes (various insurance companies - not sure if Panteanius specific?) where the boat must be manned at all times when anchored to be able to move out the way in case of collision with other vessels who have dragged their anchors.or no coverage!!" Imagine the problems this creates in never being able to go ashore together...


The other recommended companies mentioned are  

2.     AIG (USA) – Eric #376;(2016), 3.     Allianz files on site?? (2008), 4.     NZ Broker ?? Danny – 0.65% of value – possibly Alan too?, 5.     IMIS Annapolis, Maryland, USA. "Jackline policy", call Gary Golden at 410-827-3757 Ruth Moondog sm248 (2009), 6.     K Drewe Insurance Brokers in UK www.kdibonline.co.uk  $ 2,185 . My SM2K, 'MAIA' #293 (2009) Peter Aubrey, 7.     GJW insurance www.gjwltd.co.uk ,8.     AXA UK – (not competitive) 9.     French insurance http://www.assurances-delassee.com/   have a program especially for Amel.  Mr Geoffroy de Lasse. BeBe was insured with Helvetia written by Assurances deLassee in France. http://www.assurances-delassee.com/   Françoise GODINEAU <fgodineau"at"assurances-delassee.com>. .(2014), 10.     Y Yachts. Half the price and excess for named storms much better too. They have special cover for Oyster Yachts and are now looking to offer same for Amel owners. MD had Maramu fir 10 years Ian, 'Ocean Hobo' SN 96 (2016)


Those of you who have "single handed" coverage please let us know who you have gone with, and your experience / recommendations.. (possibly even if anyone actually has this coverage included with Panteanius elsewhere?) 


Much appreciated


Colin Streeter, Island Pearl II

Amel 53 #332, Back home in Brisbane today.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you Pat
Will definitely do that if and when we passing by.
Paul


Re: Where to Lay up (US East coast)

Gary Wells
 

+1 on Herrington Harbor.  Spent a few months there.  Spent 3 months at Port Annapolis as well (yes, it is pricier, but convenient to everything, including awesome breakfasts at Grumps :)

Finally, we spent a few months, more than once, at Hartge's Yacht Harbor in Galesville; south of Annapolis but north of Herrington Harbor.  They can haul you and store you on the hard for considerably less than either the mainstream Annapolis yards or even Herrington Harbor.  Caveat is that their 50T lift is a bit too short if you have a big arch on the tail.  We do not, and the backstays just barely touched the frame of the lift but we did not have to release them.

We found them to be friendly and accommodating, their workmanship was good for us, and it was close enough to Annapolis to run and get parts easily.  They also have a small cabin they rent out.  It is rustic and quiet. You will be a slave to the tides, as when the Chesapeake goes really low (winds and all) you'll find yourself doing a bit of dredging at 2,300 RPM and 1 kt :) 

About an hour to either BWI or DCA and 2 hrs to IAD.  Not floating docks. Extremely well sheltered. Walking distance to a very small chandlery and to a couple of pretty good dock restaurants.  You will need a car for anything else.

Best wishes!!

Gary W
SM 209 Adagio
Fethiye, Turkey



Re: Replacing Vetus Coupling Bolts

Alan Leslie
 

Great information Bob !

Thanks for all your detail.

Best
Alan
Elyse SM437 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacing Vetus Coupling Bolts

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi Bob, thanks for your comment, we all do our best.
Regards
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "rossidesigngroup@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2017 11:32 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacing Vetus Coupling Bolts

 
Hi Everyone--
I am following up on the Vetus Coupling related bolt and bushing replacement project.  In the process I received clarification on previous postings, new information on the Amel modified Vetus coupling and other email information--I will try to include this information in this posting.  Hopefully this will be helpful to anyone who needs to service the coupling for a broken bolt that holds the 2 halves of the coupling together and connects the transmission flange to the drive shaft. KAIMI is a 2004 Super Maramu with the Yanmar 4JH-3HTE and ZF-25 but I believe that most of this information pertains to other Super Maramus.

BACKGROUND--I had one of the 4 bolts that hold the Vetus coupling together shear and felt that I had a small amount of vibration.  I obtained some replacement bolts and nyloc nuts that could be used for an emergency repair and operated the engine (albeit at reduced rpm--less than 2000 rpm) until I arrived at location with supporting mechanical and parts services (tied up and plugged in at the Peveza marina).  I dove on my prop to make sure it was clean and that we could have a good test after the repair.

BUSHING INSPECTION OR REPAIR ONLY (no broken bolt)--just remove the nuts from the bolts that hold the Vetus coupler together, then separate the coupler and slip the rubber bushings off to inspect them.  Bushing replacements are inexpensive--$25USD--using Vetus kit K018.  Reassemble.  In my opinion, an inspection is worth doing every 5 years or if you think you have excess vibration.  My bushings were elongated and cracking and probably allowed excessive flexing that broke a bolt. 

PROCEDURE if a bolt has sheared--First, remove the nuts from the remaining bolts.  Then move the engine back--it only needs to go back about 3 inches.  The Yanmar is bolted to the frame with 5 bolts.  The frame is mounted to the fiberglass supports below the engine with the motor mounts.  Because of this design, if the engine is correctly aligned, you can shift the engine back without needing to do a re-alignment adjustment of the engine mounts. It also does not require disassembly or realignment of the C drive.   In order to shift the engine back it is necessary remove the bolts that support the intercooler/grab bar to the frame.  The caliper for the shaft brake also needs to be removed.  Apparently on some SMs there is a crossbar behind the v-belt pulleys that has to be removed, but on our model the support was curved and allowed the engine to be slid back with no problems.  Make sure that exhaust, fuel and electrical connections are not strained when you slide the engine but for us nothing else needed to be loosened or disassembled.

Inspect the engine mounts.  If one is broken then you will need to re-align the engine.  If the Vetus coupling needs to be replaced note that Amel uses a modified Vetus coupling. Our engine mounts and the coupling were fine.

When we shifted the engine back we took some weight off it.  This was achieved by placing a 4x4 timber above the engine between the 2 cockpit benches.  By sliding the timber back to the open hatch it was in a good position to connect a block and tackle to the 2 Yanmar lifting eyes without doing anything to the hatch.  When it came time to slide the engine back we just heaved on it with 2 guys standing in the engine room so it is debatable whether you need to lift the engine from above with that arrangement.  Danny noted using a piece of timber to lever and slide the engine back.

Sliding the engine back parts the 2 halves of the coupling.  The rubber bushings can be removed, inspected and replaced.  The heads of the bolts need to be hack sawed or cut off so that they can be removed.  New bolts should be strong steel like tool quality number 8 steel (NOT Inox) with threads on both ends and 8 matching steel nylocs.  Insert the bolts from the "inside" of the split coupling and screw the front nylok nuts on.  You can hold the bolts with a Channelloc or Vice-Grip using a cloth to protect the threads.  By making the replacement bolts about 9 cm long you are able to make the front nuts flush to the thread end and have an extension to the aft of the bolt that allows you to hold the bolt when tightening front and rear nylocs.  You can see this in the link to the  Dropbox photos.  We also used thread locker to assure that the nuts did not move--about half the threads on a nyloc are metal, so the Loc-tite will help to secure them. Slide the engine back while guiding the bolts through the transmission flange holes and then rebolt the engine and then tighten the remaining 4 nylocs.  By leaving a consistent amount of thread the bolt ends can periodically be visually checked without breaking the loc-tite.

Test the engine under various RPMs and conditions with a good load on the engine and monitor for vibration or noises.  Existing or future vibration or noise could indicate an alignment problem with the engine or C drive, a fouled prop or damaged bushings.  We now carry 4 double ended bolts, 8 nylocs and the Vetus K018 bushing kit as spares.

Dropbox photos include the Vetus K018 "flexible rubber coupling" kit, the old worn, distorted, and cracking rubber, the coupling housing and hub, lifting strap through 2 Yanmar lifting eyes, the engine to frame holes, double ended 9cm replacement bolts, and the reassembled bolts.  


Special thanks to Danny for posting this idea originally and responding to my emails with clarifications.

Bob
SM #429 KAIMI




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

Veit M <veitm@...>
 

Hi All:

Just to chip in...we had our boat for years at Herrington Harbor, a little South of Annapolis. Prices are dramatically more attractive, good hard storage, and great work-shops for pretty much all one needs.
South harbor is nicer to be in th Water, North is hard-storage and work-shops.

Cheers,
Veit
Ex Atman, SM 215


On Feb 1, 2017, at 4:27 AM, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Paul, Annapolis is I would guess about an hour to Washington airports , BWI  a bit closer . We are one hour from Philadelphia airport , about  1 :15 hr to BWI . If you end up passing through my area , drop a hook next to my boat , its on a mooring where we live, fours miles in from the Bay , can't miss it. We've had many Amels stop over for a visit , drinks and a meal , great fun.
Pat & Diane,
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2017 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

 
Thank you Patrick, Very attractive prices, the area is beautifull, I know we spend a loong weekend in the area 4-5 years ago. We also made a short trip to Washington, usually I do not like big cities, but I must say Washington Was nice. For logistical reason a spot on the west side of the bay would make flying in from Europe easier as I assume public transport is not so well developed for boaters?