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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

Patrick McAneny
 

Paul, Annapolis is I would guess about an hour to Washington airports , BWI  a bit closer . We are one hour from Philadelphia airport , about  1 :15 hr to BWI . If you end up passing through my area , drop a hook next to my boat , its on a mooring where we live, fours miles in from the Bay , can't miss it. We've had many Amels stop over for a visit , drinks and a meal , great fun.
Pat & Diane,
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@...>
Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2017 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

 
Thank you Patrick, Very attractive prices, the area is beautifull, I know we spend a loong weekend in the area 4-5 years ago. We also made a short trip to Washington, usually I do not like big cities, but I must say Washington Was nice. For logistical reason a spot on the west side of the bay would make flying in from Europe easier as I assume public transport is not so well developed for boaters?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

Paul Osterberg
 

Thank you Patrick, Very attractive prices, the area is beautifull, I know we spend a loong weekend in the area 4-5 years ago. We also made a short trip to Washington, usually I do not like big cities, but I must say Washington Was nice. For logistical reason a spot on the west side of the bay would make flying in from Europe easier as I assume public transport is not so well developed for boaters?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

Patrick McAneny
 

Paul, As mentioned Annapolis has many marinas and a lot of marine services. However it is quite more expensive than elsewhere on the Bay. I live on the Sassafras River a few miles from the C&D canal , at the most northern part of the Bay , 40 miles north of Annapolis . I can store my boat on the hard for the winter ( 6months), on blacktop in a very beautiful clean marina called Skipjack for about $1700.00. This winter my boat is in a slip in another Marina across the river called Georgetown , 6 months $850. for the winter months. So if you check the rates in Annapolis you will see that if you go elsewhere you can save quite a bit and still be in a great environment , albeit perhaps fewer restaurants to chose from.
Hope this helps'
Pat


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To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2017 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

 
Out for most of the time.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

Paul Osterberg
 

Out for most of the time.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

Paul Osterberg
 

Out of the water for most of the time
Paul on sykerpa.com SM #259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

Patrick McAneny
 

Paul, Do you want the boat in or out of the water for 9 to 12 months.
Pat SM #123


-----Original Message-----
From: osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2017 2:11 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Where to Lay up (US East coast)

 
Hello!
We are currently in Martinique and enjoying the cruising life style, unfortunately the season will have an end, and just now we do not know where to lay up for the hurricane season. One option we have is to go up to Chesapeake bay and further up to NY, then of various reason we have to leave the boat in oktober for a period of  up to 12 month when we only can sail a month now and then.
Does anyone know a good, safe and cost efficient place in the Chesapeake bay area where we can keep the boat for 9-12 month, May be not an Amel specific question, but I have noticed a lot of US Amel owners are active on the forum and hopefully can give us advice. Hope the rest of you forgive me for this question.
Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: Where to Lay up (US East coast)

greatketch@...
 


Paul

The Chesapeake is a HUGE area with hundreds of places you could put into.  We spent a fair amount of time last summer at Port Annapolis Marina and were very happy with the services both from the marina itself and the local marine businesses.  They have a very large dry storage yard if you were going to be leaving the boat for an extended period.

Bert Jarbins Yacht Basin is right next door and would likely be the better choice if you were going to have someone working on the boat since a large number of marine service businesses call that yard home.  Both are well protected from weather up in Spa Creek and have easy, deep water, approaches.

If you wanted something more in the middle of town, Annapolis Yacht Basin in downtown Annapolis also did good by us when we were there.

Everywhere else we stayed in the Chesapeake we anchored out, so can't give you much of a recommendation for marinas, but I am sure that some people with broader local knowledge will have other suggestions for you.

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Providenciales, Turks and Caicos Islands

---In amelyachtowners@..., <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote :

Hello!

We are currently in Martinique and enjoying the cruising life style, unfortunately the season will have an end, and just now we do not know where to lay up for the hurricane season. One option we have is to go up to Chesapeake bay and further up to NY, then of various reason we have to leave the boat in oktober for a period of  up to 12 month when we only can sail a month now and then.

Does anyone know a good, safe and cost efficient place in the Chesapeake bay area where we can keep the boat for 9-12 month, May be not an Amel specific question, but I have noticed a lot of US Amel owners are active on the forum and hopefully can give us advice. Hope the rest of you forgive me for this question.

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Where to Lay up (US East coast)

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello!

We are currently in Martinique and enjoying the cruising life style, unfortunately the season will have an end, and just now we do not know where to lay up for the hurricane season. One option we have is to go up to Chesapeake bay and further up to NY, then of various reason we have to leave the boat in oktober for a period of  up to 12 month when we only can sail a month now and then.

Does anyone know a good, safe and cost efficient place in the Chesapeake bay area where we can keep the boat for 9-12 month, May be not an Amel specific question, but I have noticed a lot of US Amel owners are active on the forum and hopefully can give us advice. Hope the rest of you forgive me for this question.

Paul on S/Y Kerpa SM#259


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine room exhaust blower voltage.

Stephen Davis
 

Thanks very much Alexander. The part numbers will be very helpful. I suspect I can find one in Guadeloupe, and can pick up a less expensive spare when I'm back in the US for a short trip in March. 

Steve
Aloha SM 72

On Jan 31, 2017, at 13:26, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning Steve,

You are correct, they are the same:
They are “24 Volt” fan purposely running on 12 Volt.
http://nikimat.com/engine_room_fans.html

I found some spare on eBay in the US when I was in Puerto Rico.

For your information the Jabsco 35440-0010 in the engine room will last 1000 hours (if they were getting 24 volt).
You can also get for not much more the Jabsco 35770-0094 (will last 5000 hours)

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

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On Tue, 1/31/17, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine room exhaust blower voltage.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 10:58 AM


 









We have just arrived in Guadeloupe, and will
attempt to find a replacement for the engine room exhaust
fan which recently died of old age. I seem to remember both
the exhaust and intake fans are 24 volt units operating on
12 volts on the engine circuit. Can anyone confirm this
before I go and spend a lot of money on the wrong voltage of
fan?
Thanks for your
help. 
Regards,
Steve DavisAloha, SM
72Guadeloupe 









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages

qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@...
 

Thank you all very much for the answers.

I'm going to check all the things you mentioned and come back with new numbers I have measured.

All the best

Oliver
SV JoEmi


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine room exhaust blower voltage.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Steve,

You are correct, they are the same:
They are “24 Volt” fan purposely running on 12 Volt.
http://nikimat.com/engine_room_fans.html

I found some spare on eBay in the US when I was in Puerto Rico.

For your information the Jabsco 35440-0010 in the engine room will last 1000 hours (if they were getting 24 volt).
You can also get for not much more the Jabsco 35770-0094 (will last 5000 hours)

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI






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On Tue, 1/31/17, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Engine room exhaust blower voltage.
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 10:58 AM


 









We have just arrived in Guadeloupe, and will
attempt to find a replacement for the engine room exhaust
fan which recently died of old age. I seem to remember both
the exhaust and intake fans are 24 volt units operating on
12 volts on the engine circuit. Can anyone confirm this
before I go and spend a lot of money on the wrong voltage of
fan?
Thanks for your
help. 
Regards,
Steve DavisAloha, SM
72Guadeloupe 









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Engine room exhaust blower voltage.

Stephen Davis
 

Thanks Robin...exactly what I needed to know. 

Steve
Aloha SM72

On Jan 31, 2017, at 13:07, robin6658@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

absolutely correct - Imhad to change mine recently and it is a 24V fan on a 12 V line - wired like this it will last much longer and there is more than enough airflow wired like this.


Robin
ASM #56 GrosDoux


Re: Engine room exhaust blower voltage.

robin hutter
 

absolutely correct - Imhad to change mine recently and it is a 24V fan on a 12 V line - wired like this it will last much longer and there is more than enough airflow wired like this.

Robin
ASM #56 GrosDoux
www.gros-doux.com


Engine room exhaust blower voltage.

Stephen Davis
 

We have just arrived in Guadeloupe, and will attempt to find a replacement for the engine room exhaust fan which recently died of old age. I seem to remember both the exhaust and intake fans are 24 volt units operating on 12 volts on the engine circuit. Can anyone confirm this before I go and spend a lot of money on the wrong voltage of fan?

Thanks for your help. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha, SM 72
Guadeloupe 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Super Maramu 2000 No. 397

Alan Grayson
 

I have just joined the group, we decided 2 years ago that the next boat will be an Amel. We cruised around the carribbean for 5 years on a Westsail 32 finishing in 2009. We have been back at work since then and are now ready to purchase. I have been following the forum for about 6 months now and am amazed at how much I have learnt.
Is your boat still for sale I would love to get some more information on it.
Regards
Alan Grayson


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages

Ann-Sofie Svanberg <kanalmamman@...>
 

Check the batteries at delivery. Sometimes they can be damage from the beginning.

/Annsofie
S/Y Lady Annila, SM232, 1998


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31 jan. 2017 kl. 09:09 skrev divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Hello Oliver,


I think you will have to face the fact that your batteries need replacing.

From what you have told us, one battery in a pair reads 10.8 volts right ?

That is a dead battery...it has one cell not functioning.....ie shorted out, probably because of deposits in the bottom of the battery case caused by not regularly recharging the batteries to full charge.

This can be sometimes temporarily fixed by desulphating or equalising the batteries...you need a battery charger with an equalise function to do this...if your battery charge has this function, you should try it, BUT be sure to have all your 24V devices switched off as the equalising voltage will be around 32V which can damage some electronics.  

Back to the batteries.....
10.8 / 5 = 2.16 volts per cell...OK?....so if that battery had 6 functioning cells it would be 6 x 2.16 = 12.96V...not bad!

Your batteries are in series pairs, so if one battery in that pair never reaches more than 10.8 volts (because of a shorted out cell), the other battery in the pair will have around 13.2 volts on it (the 13 volt battery may also be failing but not yet as bad as the 10.8 volt battery) 24 - 10.8 = 13.2

In any event ALL of the batteries that only read 10.8 volts are in big trouble and need replacing....but you shouldn't just replace those, you should replace all of them to be sure all the batteries in the bank are the same brand, same size, same age, and make sure that all the battery connections are clean and tight, and all the cables in good condition.

Another hint....buy a copy of Nigel Calder's "Boatowners Mechanical and Electrical Manual", 

Boatowners Mechanical and Electrical Manual : Nigel Calder : 9780071790338

  


it will help you immeasurably with problems like this. 


Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437




---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

It's random and across the entire battery bank. The batteries are flooded.

All the best 

Oliver
SV JoEmi

Am 30.01.2017 um 13:19 schrieb Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Very strange…
Are the batteries becoming low voltage constantly on the same side (i.e. negative) to the house bank or random?
Is that accros the entire battery bank? Or more consistently on the same connection…

Out of curiosity, what type of batteries are you using? Flooded? AGM?

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 1/30/17, Oliver Buhlert obuhlert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, January 30, 2017, 11:05 AM


 









Hello Alxandre,
thank you for your
answer. Yes I cleaned the connection which were nearly
black. I already put the good batteries together and
disconnect the bad ones, but after two days the same effect,
one batterie with lower and one with normal
voltage.
All the best 

Oliver
Am 30.01.2017 um 12:27 schrieb Alexandre Uster
von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
















 






Good morning Olivier,



Are your connectors clean?

A few months ago, I also had 1 battery with lower voltage, I
neglected to take it seriously, the result end up cooking 6
out of my 8 house batteries…

If this was to happened again, I would disconnect the bad
batteries and only run with 6 or 4 until you get new ones.


As I don’t want the domino effect to happened again…


Wish I was more help.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI



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On Mon, 1/30/17, qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different
voltages

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Monday, January 30, 2017, 10:21 AM





 



















Hello,

on our

Amel SM 2000 we have a batterie

problem.The voltges of one of the two parallel

connected batteries get down, that means one has 13,2V
the

other one 10,8. It is the same for all the working

batteries. I already changed the low voltage batteries
and

connected just the high voltage batteries together.
After

two days I had the same effect. One of the parallel

connected batterie has around 13 voltage and the other
one

around 10.I spoke to many people but no one has an

idea how that could be.Looking forward to an

answer.

All the best

OliverSV JoEmi





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Oliver,

I am a little late on answering your question. Excuse me if I cover areas already covered by other. I am assuming that your connections to the batteries, the Shunt, the battery switches, and the battery wires are good. You have two general choices: Hire a battery guy, or do the work yourself. If you are doing the work yourself and want my advice, I will need the answers to some questions and you may have to buy some equipment...let's start:
  1. The first thing that you will need to do is verify that the problem is the batteries, or some of the batteries, and not the charger or something else.
    1. How old are the batteries?
    2. You need to test each battery's health using a modern digital battery tester. Many of us use an inexpensive Chinese battery tester which will work for you and you can probably find one where you are. SOLAR BA5 https://www.amazon.com/BA5-100-1200-Cranking-Electronic-Battery/dp/B0017R5EQK
    3. List the results of each battery for me.
  2. Do you have more than 1 battery charger? If so, do you have the same high/low voltage results with the 2nd battery charger?
When you have answered the above questions, you may have found your problem and/or we may be able to help you further.

Best,

Bill Rouse
ex-BeBe SM 387
Currently Galveston, Texas

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:21 AM, qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello,


on our Amel SM 2000 we have a batterie problem.

The voltges of one of the two parallel connected batteries get down, that means one has 13,2V the other one 10,8. It is the same for all the working batteries. I already changed the low voltage batteries and connected just the high voltage batteries together. After two days I had the same effect. One of the parallel connected batterie has around 13 voltage and the other one around 10.

I spoke to many people but no one has an idea how that could be.

Looking forward to an answer.


All the best


Oliver

SV JoEmi




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages

Alan Leslie
 

Hello Oliver,

I think you will have to face the fact that your batteries need replacing.

From what you have told us, one battery in a pair reads 10.8 volts right ?

That is a dead battery...it has one cell not functioning.....ie shorted out, probably because of deposits in the bottom of the battery case caused by not regularly recharging the batteries to full charge.

This can be sometimes temporarily fixed by desulphating or equalising the batteries...you need a battery charger with an equalise function to do this...if your battery charge has this function, you should try it, BUT be sure to have all your 24V devices switched off as the equalising voltage will be around 32V which can damage some electronics.  

Back to the batteries.....
10.8 / 5 = 2.16 volts per cell...OK?....so if that battery had 6 functioning cells it would be 6 x 2.16 = 12.96V...not bad!

Your batteries are in series pairs, so if one battery in that pair never reaches more than 10.8 volts (because of a shorted out cell), the other battery in the pair will have around 13.2 volts on it (the 13 volt battery may also be failing but not yet as bad as the 10.8 volt battery) 24 - 10.8 = 13.2

In any event ALL of the batteries that only read 10.8 volts are in big trouble and need replacing....but you shouldn't just replace those, you should replace all of them to be sure all the batteries in the bank are the same brand, same size, same age, and make sure that all the battery connections are clean and tight, and all the cables in good condition.

Another hint....buy a copy of Nigel Calder's "Boatowners Mechanical and Electrical Manual", 

Boatowners Mechanical and Electrical Manual : Nigel Calder : 9780071790338

  


it will help you immeasurably with problems like this. 


Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437




---In amelyachtowners@..., <obuhlert@...> wrote :

It's random and across the entire battery bank. The batteries are flooded.

All the best 

Oliver
SV JoEmi

Am 30.01.2017 um 13:19 schrieb Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

Very strange…
Are the batteries becoming low voltage constantly on the same side (i.e. negative) to the house bank or random?
Is that accros the entire battery bank? Or more consistently on the same connection…

Out of curiosity, what type of batteries are you using? Flooded? AGM?

Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 1/30/17, Oliver Buhlert obuhlert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, January 30, 2017, 11:05 AM


 









Hello Alxandre,
thank you for your
answer. Yes I cleaned the connection which were nearly
black. I already put the good batteries together and
disconnect the bad ones, but after two days the same effect,
one batterie with lower and one with normal
voltage.
All the best 

Oliver
Am 30.01.2017 um 12:27 schrieb Alexandre Uster
von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:
















 






Good morning Olivier,



Are your connectors clean?

A few months ago, I also had 1 battery with lower voltage, I
neglected to take it seriously, the result end up cooking 6
out of my 8 house batteries…

If this was to happened again, I would disconnect the bad
batteries and only run with 6 or 4 until you get new ones.


As I don’t want the domino effect to happened again…


Wish I was more help.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 1/30/17, qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different
voltages

To: amelyachtowners@...

Date: Monday, January 30, 2017, 10:21 AM





 



















Hello,

on our

Amel SM 2000 we have a batterie

problem.The voltges of one of the two parallel

connected batteries get down, that means one has 13,2V
the

other one 10,8. It is the same for all the working

batteries. I already changed the low voltage batteries
and

connected just the high voltage batteries together.
After

two days I had the same effect. One of the parallel

connected batterie has around 13 voltage and the other
one

around 10.I spoke to many people but no one has an

idea how that could be.Looking forward to an

answer.

All the best

OliverSV JoEmi





Re: Batteries with different voltages

svperegrinus@yahoo.com
 

«I cleaned the connection which were nearly black»

I find this interesting.  All of our wires and connectors in the battery box look "new", even though we have owned the boat for nearly five years.  There is no black, dust, mold, nor soot.

Do other people's Amel show aged battery connectors?  If so, how does the aging manifest itself?

Cheerio,


Peregrinus
SM2K N° 350



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages

eric freedman
 

Hi,

Did you check each battery separately with an electronic battery tester after letting them run under load after charging  for 15 minutes?

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 10:46 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Batteries with different voltages

 

 

As Bill said previously, if you have a shorted cell in one of the pair it will be low voltage and because you have 24V across each pair, the not so bad one will rise up in voltage....and its more likely to be the one on the +ve end.

Sounds to me that all the batteries are dead / dying, some worse than others but all on the way out.

I would say that all the batteries should be replaced and also, it seems, the cabling.

Cheers

Alan

Elyse SM437 

 

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., <qmvwv3fna4dth3r32bdwtz3bpy7meopg2s2xlnuq@...> wrote :

Well, I already took out the low voltage ones and just connected the high voltage ones with over 13,2 V - all the same age and the same brand. After two days I had the same effect one of the parallel connected batterie has around 13 voltage and the other one around 10. 

It was not only one pair of batteries with this problem, it was the entire batterie bank. One of the pair with high and one with low voltage. 

 

All the covers of the cables has not any more the original color, the red one looks almost like the black ones. The owner changed 2 years ago one pair of batteries - for sure that was a mistake.

Oliver

SV JoEmi