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Re: Oil seal for SM bowthruster

Paul Osterberg
 

I ordered a lot of seals and bearings from 123bearing.com, with quick delivery to Portugal 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259


Oil seal for SM bowthruster

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Hi y'all,

  Has anyone found a source in the UK for the oil seal 29x 42x 8    ?     I have been offered 29x41x8 and 28x42x6. I guess this last one would do but I would prefer to get the right one, just in case I'm ever able to get back to Greece and go sailing!

Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Kilada


Re: Amel 55 mizen vibration

Aldo Roldan
 

Jose,

You might also consider locking the the mizzen traveller off the center line and tie a preventer line going from the end of the mizzen boom to an aft stanchion or pad-eye.

Aldo
Amel 55 Araucaria 

On Jul 8, 2020, at 12:40 PM, rob dillmann <rob.dillmann@...> wrote:

Dear Jose,

I certainly do not want to keep you away of this charm, but you might try to wrap a hallyard a few times around the mizzen. This changes the airflow and might diminish the vibration.

Best regards,
Rob Dillmann
Westwind
Amel Mango 43


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Op 8 jul. 2020 om 16:52 heeft Jose Alegria <Josealegr@...> het volgende geschreven:


John

Thank you

I will try to find your " charm sailing life way".

Thank you and please keep safe


On 08/07/2020, at 14:26, John Clanton <jclanton@...> wrote:

Jose,

 

I have experienced this on several occasions.  I have not taken specific note of the wind speed or angle when it occurred, but in general, if there is a strong blow from somewhere aft of the beam, there is a noise generated, which creates some degree of vibration. 

 

I have assumed it is when the combination of wind angle and speed causes a whistling or harmonic effect with the furler opening of the mast.

 

It can be attention getting, but we try not to pay any attention to it anymore.  We have added it to the list of other “charms” of sailing life.  Sorry I couldn’t provide a solution to eliminate it.

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Antibes, France



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Re: Bottom paint removal

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, So it sounds as though they were able to do most of the bottom of the keel,correct ? That surprises me ,I would have thought the keel would be too close to the ground to work on,unless it is on tall blocks. Normally I am less than 6 inches off the ground. Sandblasting is hard work ,but it is amazing that a marina will ask you to pay $7,000. for one man/day of work . I did not accept their offer ,but $3000 .,while still a lot like you said ,does save you a lot of work ,not many options ,can't do it yourself,so they can charge what they want,little competition . I will try the paste removal stuff and if it does not work out ,I will give J.J. a call.
Thanks Again,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal

Pat,

They are making a killing even at that price as it takes them only one day and it is pretty much just one guy doing the work.  However, it was still worth the cost when you compare it to the time and materials that it will cost you to do it yourself, nevermind the wear and tear on your body! 

Discuss the bottom of the keel with JJ.  If I remember correctly, for them to do the whole bottom it would have required a re-block of the boat by the yard (~$300ish) while they have the boat in their section of the yard.  And then because I was doing more work on the hard, I was going to need yet another re-block to move me out of Ospreys section of the yard to my spot on the hard.  So I just had Osprey do the bottom of the keel that was exposed and then when the marina moved the boat out of Ospreys area to my spot on the hard I asked them to make sure the timbers under the keel were in different spots.  I then ground back and epoxy coated the two "stripes" under the keel myself.  In hindsight, I should have just paid Osprey to do the whole bottom of the keel.  Grinding the old epoxy off the bottom of that keel while laying down on gravel is NOT fun!


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Bottom paint removal

Craig Briggs
 
Edited

Pat, I did some Google-ing and it looks like methylene choloride and/or N-methylpyrrolidone (NMP) is the stuff that really works but is toxic. If you're neither pregnant nor stupid, go for it, if you can find it. The article said Home Depot and Lowes announced a couple of years ago they'd stop carrying it, although they still had some stock. AutoZone still carried it. Obama's EPA was working to ban it, but those efforts may have been reversed, according to the article. 

Just found it on Home Depot website for $42 per gallon - called Klean Strip. Encouraging as label says the State of California has determined it will kill you, so it must be good. Plus lots of other warnings. Go for it!  Also got a hit on Goof Off Pro Paint Stripper that contains Metheylene choloride 60% - maybe there's hope yet!

Btw, all I ever had was ground glass in my oatmeal - cookies were always great.
Cheers


Re: Bottom paint removal

Patrick McAneny
 

Craig, It sounds like so much fun ,you did 5 yrs. later,just for giggles. I think I might give it a try,but they probably have removed all the stuff that made it work so well. Treated lumber used to last forever ,since they removed the arsenic ,it starts rotting in a matter of years. That makes me think, I used to find bits of wood in the cookies my wife used to make.I wonder...
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL via groups.io <sangaris@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal

Pat,
When I bought Sangaris in 1999, I stripped her myself with the nastiest paint stripper I could find. Don't recall the brand name and it's likely banned by EPA these days, but shop around. If the label is mostly safety warnings and health disclaimers go ahead and give it a try - you're likely done procreating anyway. Try non-boating stores as they've wussified all the boating products.  

I did 3-foot-ish sections, liberally brushing on one thick coat, waiting a few minutes (depends on temperature) and EASILY removing stripper and paint with a putty knife. Then a second coat which took it down to gel coat with just a few spots left. Finished with bronze wool dipped in the remover for perfect result.  Maybe 10-20 minutes per square. Do use lot's of PPE. I used silicone covered cotton gloves and kept a bucket of cold water next to me to dip them in when the burning got too intense. Also poured some on my topsiders when the feet began to burn.  Nasty stuff. Hope you can still find some. It was so easy I did it again in Mexico 5 years later - it was on the shelf in the hardware stores next to the US banned R-12 freon cans I needed for my reefer. 

Btw, gelcoat is impervious to the stuff. So is Awlgrip type paint, which I had on my last boat and used the stripper to clean the boot stripe. If you've got barrier coat applied, I don't know about that, but then, thanks to the "Father of Fiberglass, Amels don't need barrier coat. 

Have fun with your toxic chemicals!
Craig


Re: Bottom paint removal

Mark McGovern
 

Pat,

They are making a killing even at that price as it takes them only one day and it is pretty much just one guy doing the work.  However, it was still worth the cost when you compare it to the time and materials that it will cost you to do it yourself, nevermind the wear and tear on your body! 

Discuss the bottom of the keel with JJ.  If I remember correctly, for them to do the whole bottom it would have required a re-block of the boat by the yard (~$300ish) while they have the boat in their section of the yard.  And then because I was doing more work on the hard, I was going to need yet another re-block to move me out of Ospreys section of the yard to my spot on the hard.  So I just had Osprey do the bottom of the keel that was exposed and then when the marina moved the boat out of Ospreys area to my spot on the hard I asked them to make sure the timbers under the keel were in different spots.  I then ground back and epoxy coated the two "stripes" under the keel myself.  In hindsight, I should have just paid Osprey to do the whole bottom of the keel.  Grinding the old epoxy off the bottom of that keel while laying down on gravel is NOT fun!


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Bottom paint removal

Craig Briggs
 

Pat,
When I bought Sangaris in 1999, I stripped her myself with the nastiest paint stripper I could find. Don't recall the brand name and it's likely banned by EPA these days, but shop around. If the label is mostly safety warnings and health disclaimers go ahead and give it a try - you're likely done procreating anyway. Try non-boating stores as they've wussified all the boating products.  

I did 3-foot-ish sections, liberally brushing on one thick coat, waiting a few minutes (depends on temperature) and EASILY removing stripper and paint with a putty knife. Then a second coat which took it down to gel coat with just a few spots left. Finished with bronze wool dipped in the remover for perfect result.  Maybe 10-20 minutes per square. Do use lot's of PPE. I used silicone covered cotton gloves and kept a bucket of cold water next to me to dip them in when the burning got too intense. Also poured some on my topsiders when the feet began to burn.  Nasty stuff. Hope you can still find some. It was so easy I did it again in Mexico 5 years later - it was on the shelf in the hardware stores next to the US banned R-12 freon cans I needed for my reefer. 

Btw, gelcoat is impervious to the stuff. So is Awlgrip type paint, which I had on my last boat and used the stripper to clean the boot stripe. If you've got barrier coat applied, I don't know about that, but then, thanks to the "Father of Fiberglass, Amels don't need barrier coat. 

Have fun with your toxic chemicals!
Craig


Re: Bottom paint removal

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, That is less than half what I was quoted and frankly more inline considering the time and materials to do the job. Are they able to do anything to the bottom of the keel. I have always wondered how one could strip ,fair and coat the bottom of the keel.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal

Pat,

Contact JJ at Osprey Marine Composites at Herrington Harbor North in Deale, MD:

Local: 410-867-3022
E-mail: jj@...
Web: www.ospreycomposites.com

They soda blasted my Amel down to the gelcoat for around US$2900 in December 2018.  I was very pleased with the work.  Just remind him that Amel's have a cast iron keel so that they are prepared to epoxy coat it immediately after blasting it.

-- 
 
 
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Bottom paint removal

Mark McGovern
 

Pat,

Contact JJ at Osprey Marine Composites at Herrington Harbor North in Deale, MD:

Local: 410-867-3022
E-mail: jj@...
Web: www.ospreycomposites.com

They soda blasted my Amel down to the gelcoat for around US$2900 in December 2018.  I was very pleased with the work.  Just remind him that Amel's have a cast iron keel so that they are prepared to epoxy coat it immediately after blasting it.

-- 
 
 
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Bottom paint removal

Patrick McAneny
 

I have about 4 layers of paint on my boat I would like to be rid of. I have been sanding boats for over 50 yrs. and have never found it fun. Using 40 grit on a 5 " orbital today,it took so long to get down to the gelcoat ,that I estimate it would take me a couple hundred hrs. to do take the entire boat down to the gelcoat. The marina I am in does not do soda ,only sand blasting. The sand blasting would cost me about $7,000.00, a chunk of change ,better spent having fun. 
Does anybody have another option for stripping bottom paint that consumes less time and money. I would rather dig ditches than sand bottom paint, so if you need a ditch dug and enjoy sanding bottom paint,maybe we can work a deal,call me !
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Rudder Nut

eric freedman
 

Hi Bernd,

Attached is a photo of one I cut out of aluminum stock. If it is short enough you can tighten the nut at sea without removing anything.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 1:45 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Nut

 

Hi Bernd;

 

Amel sells the required wrench, or you can have any machine shop make one for you. Aluminum would work best as it is light and easy to work with. We had one fabricated and also purchased one from Amel. I’m sure you can come up with other tools that will work,  but the nut is fairly soft and you have to be careful how you apply pressure.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bernd Spanner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 10:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Nut

 

Hi,

I had a very little water near the rudder shaft after some heavy seas. Wanted to tighten the nut, bit its too big for my tools. Any advice or do I need another special tool?
Tbanks
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Re: Rudder Nut

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Smart.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Clanton via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 11:01 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Nut

 

Bernd,

 

I saw a bright Amel owner create a suitable spanner by taking a plastic cutting board, the type used in the galley, and cutting the correct dimension in the end of it with a hack saw.  The soft plastic didn’t damage the compression nut, it didn’t cost him anything, and it worked perfectly.

 

 

John

 

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Re: Rudder Nut

John Clanton
 

Bernd,

 

I saw a bright Amel owner create a suitable spanner by taking a plastic cutting board, the type used in the galley, and cutting the correct dimension in the end of it with a hack saw.  The soft plastic didn’t damage the compression nut, it didn’t cost him anything, and it worked perfectly.

 

 

John



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Re: Rudder Nut

Dennis Johns
 

Ironic that your last name is Spanner.   That's the tool you need, it's called a plumber's adjustable spanner.  Some folks have gone to a machine shop and had an aluminum tool cut to fit the nut.

Dennis Johns

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:41 AM Bernd Spanner <bernd.spanner@...> wrote:
Hi,

I had a very little water near the rudder shaft after some heavy seas. Wanted to tighten the nut, bit its too big for my tools. Any advice or do I need another special tool?
Tbanks
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Re: Rudder Nut

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Bernd;

 

Amel sells the required wrench, or you can have any machine shop make one for you. Aluminum would work best as it is light and easy to work with. We had one fabricated and also purchased one from Amel. I’m sure you can come up with other tools that will work,  but the nut is fairly soft and you have to be careful how you apply pressure.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bernd Spanner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 10:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Nut

 

Hi,

I had a very little water near the rudder shaft after some heavy seas. Wanted to tighten the nut, bit its too big for my tools. Any advice or do I need another special tool?
Tbanks
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Rudder Nut

Bernd Spanner
 

Hi,

I had a very little water near the rudder shaft after some heavy seas. Wanted to tighten the nut, bit its too big for my tools. Any advice or do I need another special tool?
Tbanks
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Re: Amel 55 mizen vibration

rob dillmann
 

Dear Jose,

I certainly do not want to keep you away of this charm, but you might try to wrap a hallyard a few times around the mizzen. This changes the airflow and might diminish the vibration.

Best regards,
Rob Dillmann
Westwind
Amel Mango 43


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Op 8 jul. 2020 om 16:52 heeft Jose Alegria <Josealegr@...> het volgende geschreven:


John

Thank you

I will try to find your " charm sailing life way".

Thank you and please keep safe


On 08/07/2020, at 14:26, John Clanton <jclanton@...> wrote:

Jose,

 

I have experienced this on several occasions.  I have not taken specific note of the wind speed or angle when it occurred, but in general, if there is a strong blow from somewhere aft of the beam, there is a noise generated, which creates some degree of vibration. 

 

I have assumed it is when the combination of wind angle and speed causes a whistling or harmonic effect with the furler opening of the mast.

 

It can be attention getting, but we try not to pay any attention to it anymore.  We have added it to the list of other “charms” of sailing life.  Sorry I couldn’t provide a solution to eliminate it.

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Antibes, France



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Re: Amel 55 mizen vibration

Jose Alegria
 

John

Thank you

I will try to find your " charm sailing life way".

Thank you and please keep safe


On 08/07/2020, at 14:26, John Clanton <jclanton@...> wrote:

Jose,

 

I have experienced this on several occasions.  I have not taken specific note of the wind speed or angle when it occurred, but in general, if there is a strong blow from somewhere aft of the beam, there is a noise generated, which creates some degree of vibration. 

 

I have assumed it is when the combination of wind angle and speed causes a whistling or harmonic effect with the furler opening of the mast.

 

It can be attention getting, but we try not to pay any attention to it anymore.  We have added it to the list of other “charms” of sailing life.  Sorry I couldn’t provide a solution to eliminate it.

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Antibes, France



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Re: Amel 55 mizen vibration

John Clanton <jclanton@...>
 

Jose,

 

I have experienced this on several occasions.  I have not taken specific note of the wind speed or angle when it occurred, but in general, if there is a strong blow from somewhere aft of the beam, there is a noise generated, which creates some degree of vibration. 

 

I have assumed it is when the combination of wind angle and speed causes a whistling or harmonic effect with the furler opening of the mast.

 

It can be attention getting, but we try not to pay any attention to it anymore.  We have added it to the list of other “charms” of sailing life.  Sorry I couldn’t provide a solution to eliminate it.

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Antibes, France



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