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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Bow locker and hawse pipe deterioration

James Alton
 

Craig,

   Good information.  Just note that plywood panels can definitely rot out if glassed on the top and bottom.  Just think of all of the rotten plywood core decks,  transoms in power boats etc.  If you can however exclude the water from the wood completely or keep the moisture content of the wood below a critical level it will never rot.  Epoxy resin will do a better job of excluding moisture than polyester.  The edge of the plywood panel where the end grain of the wood is needs to be very well sealed since moisture will travel the fastest through the end grain.  Any holes in the panel need to have a ring of epoxy around the hole to prevent any moisture entering the panel, caulking isn’t enough IMO.  A Marine plywood panel should have a waterproof glue but you can buy panels that vary greatly in durability based on the wood species selected.   Wood boats can last a very long time  (one boat that I maintain is 109 years old and the planking is almost all original and solid)  even though they remain wet for most of there lives.  Using durable woods and providing good ventilation are the key points.  For the bow lockers I would suggest selecting a species in the “durable” category such as Fir or Sapele.  Be sure that the panel is solid core with no voids and that the inner plys are of the same species/durability rating.   If the locker contains air that is saturated (near or at 100% humidity due to a lack of venting and water being in the locker) any exposed wood will tend to take on moisture and cannot ever dry.  Opening the locker lids on a nice day or providing some kind of ventilation can help lower the humidity levels in the lockers and thereby extend the life of the original or replacement panels.   

    Thanks for the information about the chain pipe being galvanized,  I did not realize this.  This might be a good place for 316 stainless or perhaps using a very thick fibreglass pipe which will of course wear over time.   

James
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 

On Nov 20, 2017, at 10:53 AM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Over the years there have been several posts about the bow locker floors deteriorating due to water rotting out the plywood. I did a minor repair to mine some years ago, but other sections succumbed and I've now removed the entire floors from both lockers. 


Interesting findings:

- Indeed, virtually all the plywood was rotted out, as I expected

-  Surprisingly, the main entry point for water was the hawse pipe. (I thought my deck locker hatches had been leaking, but they had not.) I had seen some rust stains but never found the cause. Turns out the pipe is a standard galvanized one and, over the years, the chain sliding up and down removed the galvanizing and the pipe rusted through. There was a finger width opening on the back side of the pipe at the top and another further d own and these are not at all obvious.

- Having removed the floors I could inspect the bow thruster structure (with some contortions to get myself below the floor level). The structure is made of plywood, well tabbed into the hull and the corners are glassed together, leaving the middle wood surfaces exposed and, surprisingly, unfinished. Oddly, the lower half, from the hull up, is nicely protected by gelcoat. The upper half is not finished at all and the plywood is starting to delaminate on the front side (which is virtually impossible to see with the floors installed). This is where water will run down from the hawse pipe normally.  Fortunately, it is only the surface layers of the plywood that have delaminated and the remainder is still solid, so I can build it back up with fiberglass laminate.

- The floors were only tabbed on the top (getting to the bottom being impractical) and this provides an excellent lip to lay the new floor s on. I'm using marine plywood and applying fiberglass to the bottom before installation to prevent a recurrence.


So, with many of our boats in the 25-30 year range, this area is worth a close inspection. I'm adding a 10" X 16" inspection hatch on the port side locker to allow for future inspections and easier cleanup of the chain locker in the future.


Cheers,  Craig Briggs, SN#68, Ft Pierce, FL







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Predict Wind

karkauai
 

I use the Standard version.  If I were racing, I'd use the Pro version.  It would be nice to see the currents, but certainly not necessary.  Predict wind has free Gulf Stream information that I look at before sailing on the east coast of the US.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243


Predict Wind

Courtney Gorman
 


For those of you who use Predictwind would you mind telling which version you chose and why?  Right now I am trying to decide between Standard and Pro and am not sure if there are enough advantages to get the Pro.  All advice is appreciated.
Thanks
Courtney
54 Trippin'
Brunswick



Bow locker and hawse pipe deterioration

Craig Briggs
 

Over the years there have been several posts about the bow locker floors deteriorating due to water rotting out the plywood. I did a minor repair to mine some years ago, but other sections succumbed and I've now removed the entire floors from both lockers. 


Interesting findings:

- Indeed, virtually all the plywood was rotted out, as I expected

-  Surprisingly, the main entry point for water was the hawse pipe. (I thought my deck locker hatches had been leaking, but they had not.) I had seen some rust stains but never found the cause. Turns out the pipe is a standard galvanized one and, over the years, the chain sliding up and down removed the galvanizing and the pipe rusted through. There was a finger width opening on the back side of the pipe at the top and another further down and these are not at all obvious.

- Having removed the floors I could inspect the bow thruster structure (with some contortions to get myself below the floor level). The structure is made of plywood, well tabbed into the hull and the corners are glassed together, leaving the middle wood surfaces exposed and, surprisingly, unfinished. Oddly, the lower half, from the hull up, is nicely protected by gelcoat. The upper half is not finished at all and the plywood is starting to delaminate on the front side (which is virtually impossible to see with the floors installed). This is where water will run down from the hawse pipe normally.  Fortunately, it is only the surface layers of the plywood that have delaminated and the remainder is still solid, so I can build it back up with fiberglass laminate.

- The floors were only tabbed on the top (getting to the bottom being impractical) and this provides an excellent lip to lay the new floors on. I'm using marine plywood and applying fiberglass to the bottom before installation to prevent a recurrence.


So, with many of our boats in the 25-30 year range, this area is worth a close inspection. I'm adding a 10" X 16" inspection hatch on the port side locker to allow for future inspections and easier cleanup of the chain locker in the future.


Cheers,  Craig Briggs, SN#68, Ft Pierce, FL





Re: Flopper stoppers off the poles?

Craig Briggs
 

Hello Davi,

Yes, I used Davis Rocker Stoppers for some years with great success - made many otherwise untenable anchorages very good. Worked best in situations where the wind would die out overnight and boat would turn sideways to the swell. No issues with the load on the poles or topping lifts.    

Downside was they took up quite a bit of storage space - had thought a flat hinged style might be better, but didn't try. Also, after some years the plastic of the Davis units cracked a lot and have done without them for many years now.

Regarding running birds off the poles downwind, never tried it but seems the drag would outweigh any advantage and the load on the fore-guys would be too much.  With twin poles and the jib and balooner being in the headfoil you'll find downwind rolling is minimal, as compared with, say, a conventional spinnaker. If there is some roll you can tack downwind thru about 45 degrees without adjusting a thing, rather than heading DDW. 
  
Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN#68


---In amelyachtowners@..., <davi.rozgonyi@...> wrote :

Ciao all... I am in the final stages of getting a SM and for my first question on this form, I had a silly one.... anyone try using some kind of flopper stopper from the jib/code 0 poles at anchor? Are the supports/uphaul strong enough for this? Even dumber question, anyone try running birds off the poles while sailing downwind to control rolling? 


Many thanks!

Davi


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel 54 Corrosion

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Arno,

Care and maintenance are important factors regarding the condition of almost any boat.

I could give you specific reasons for what you've seen, but it is safe to say, things would have been different with a different owner. I have seen pristine 30 year old Amels and I have seen terrible 2 year old Amels. 

Appearances are only part of the story in choosing the right Amel for you. 

Good luck in your search and feel free to ask any question.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Nov 20, 2017 07:05, "arno.luijten@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Dear group,


We have recently taken up the quest to find an Amel 54 for our future cruising plans. We joined this group hoping some of you can help us with this daunting plan.


So last week we had a viewing on our first 54. We were slighty disappointent in the way the boat looked. Having relativly little engine hours we noticed quite a bit corrosion on many of her interior parts. For example the circulalion pump for the aircon that  pushes the water through the units was badly corroded. Water taps at the sinks looked pretty poor. Mirrors in the cabins were affected on the sides. Lots of metal parts in the interior looked dull and apparently affected by the saltness in the air.

Is this something one can expect from an Amel that lives in salt water with little usage or did we jus saw a poor example of a 54.


Thanks in ad vance,


Arno



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Yes I do!
I also have lots of parts for electric toilet (3 motors, many valve/seal kits, etc.)
Engine room fan, cabin fan, etc.
Navigation lights, anchor/tri color
air conditioning capacitor and calpeda rebuilt kit
Freezer/fridge thermostat, fan, et.c
Main & Mizzen preventer
2 sets of ballooner lines (red, blue & yellow)
Balloner sheet
3 sails
etc.
Alexandre



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On Sun, 11/19/17, pjn.mccallin@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 19, 2017, 4:04 PM


 









Alexandre, have just changed my yahoo email
setting, hence your problem.
Can you advise me if you still have
the rudder spares the nut and packing, also the
spanner?
If so will
liaise delivery with George.









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Amel 54 Corrosion

Arno Luijten
 

Dear group,


We have recently taken up the quest to find an Amel 54 for our future cruising plans. We joined this group hoping some of you can help us with this daunting plan.


So last week we had a viewing on our first 54. We were slighty disappointent in the way the boat looked. Having relativly little engine hours we noticed quite a bit corrosion on many of her interior parts. For example the circulalion pump for the aircon that  pushes the water through the units was badly corroded. Water taps at the sinks looked pretty poor. Mirrors in the cabins were affected on the sides. Lots of metal parts in the interior looked dull and apparently affected by the saltness in the air.

Is this something one can expect from an Amel that lives in salt water with little usage or did we jus saw a poor example of a 54.


Thanks in advance,


Arno


Flopper stoppers off the poles?

Davi Rozgonyi
 

Ciao all... I am in the final stages of getting a SM and for my first question on this form, I had a silly one.... anyone try using some kind of flopper stopper from the jib/code 0 poles at anchor? Are the supports/uphaul strong enough for this? Even dumber question, anyone try running birds off the poles while sailing downwind to control rolling? 


Many thanks!

Davi


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick

pjn.mccallin@...
 

Alexandre, have just changed my yahoo email setting, hence your problem.

Can you advise me if you still have the rudder spares the nut and packing, also the spanner?

If so will liaise delivery with George.


Re: Does my ONAN need a new 12V charger?

greatketch@...
 

It certainly looks like the alternator on the Onan is not charging the battery.

Lots of possible reasons... 

As with anything electrical, start with ALL the connections.  They are not always the most likely cause, but they are cheap and easy to fix, so it makes sense to test them first.  Since the problem started after a service on the generator, it is quite possible you bumped a wire and broke a connection somewhere.  Many times I have been working in the engine room and managed to bump the main power switch on the genset...  "Why won't this darn things start???"

Be sure to NEVER disconnect the alternator from the battery when it is running.  That will kill the diodes in very short order.

If it turns out the alternator is the source of the problem, it is almost certainly able to be rebuilt at a fraction of the cost of a new one.  That service is available all over.

Bill Kinney
sm160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL


---In amelyachtowners@..., <alexramseyer@...> wrote :

When the generator runs, I see 13,6V on the starter battery. When I turn the ignition key of the engine in the cockpit the current goes down to 13,2V (maybe because of the ventilator in engine room / generator is still running). When I start the main engine the current goes to 14,4V.

After servicing the ONAN and replacing the starter battery a short while ago, everything worked find for a while, but this morning the ONAN only started AFTER I started the main engine. The starter battery showed 12, 4 V initially. It showed 13,2 after I run the genset for 2h and then 12,8 anoher 2h later. All observations come from the little display in the cockpit.

So what is the conclusion of you fellow Amelians from this observations?

Thanks, Alex
SY NO STRESS in Grenada
AMEL54 #15



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Does my ONAN need a new 12V charger?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

I have a number of thoughts, but my primary thoughts require some questions:
  1. Where are you measuring the battery voltage?
  2. Was the new battery tested before you installed it?
  3. What brand, model, AmpHr and CCA is that starting battery and is it a normal wet cell battery?
  4. Without a load, that battery should have measured about 12.8 - 12.9 volts because a resting fully charged 12 volt battery is around 12.8-12.9 volts, and flat dead ones are at 12.0 volts, so 12.4 volts on a resting battery means it's about 50% charged. Can you account for a discharge while resting? 
  5. Have you tested for a amp-drain on the starter battery?
Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Does my ONAN need a new 12V charger?

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

When the generator runs, I see 13,6V on the starter battery. When I turn the ignition key of the engine in the cockpit the current goes down to 13,2V (maybe because of the ventilator in engine room / generator is still running). When I start the main engine the current goes to 14,4V.

After servicing the ONAN and replacing the starter battery a short while ago, everything worked find for a while, but this morning the ONAN only started AFTER I started the main engine. The starter battery showed 12, 4 V initially. It showed 13,2 after I run the genset for 2h and then 12,8 anoher 2h later. All observations come from the little display in the cockpit.

So what is the conclusion of you fellow Amelians from this observations?

Thanks, Alex
SY NO STRESS in Grenada
AMEL54 #15



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick

pjn.mccallin@...
 

Thank you alexandre, your address is correct pjn.mccallin@... if this fails try Elaine :-
 Nemo.jersey@... please try again. Am just getting Elaine to send me a message just in case? Her test message well received just now!!! 
Patrick 


Re: Where is the chaincounter sensor on my AMEL 54?

luvkante
 

Lieber Wolfgang,

Ganz herzlichen Dank! Werde es sofort testen


Re: Where is the chaincounter sensor on my AMEL 54?

webercardio <webercardio@...>
 

Under the gipsy is a little magnet 4-5  mm , sealed by silicone. This was rusty and destroyed on our boat.  As we had no replacement on board , I changed the gipsy from the second windlass to the first . Ordered 4 new magnets . You can test the counter if you remove the gipsy and test the sensor with a normal magnet.




Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 # 162


Where is the chaincounter sensor on my AMEL 54?

luvkante
 

My chain counter stopped working, no more pulses! I want to check it, but I can‘t find it.

PLEASE HEEEELP!

Martin
AMEL54 #149 CHIARA
currently Le Marin, Martinique


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Patrick,

I tried to email you directly to: pjn.mccallin@jerseymail.co.uk
but twice I received an error message...

Can you email me directly at uster@rocketmail.com

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Sat, 11/18/17, pjn.mccallin@jerseymail.co.uk [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anchor switch / joystick
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 18, 2017, 10:46 AM


 









Thank you Alexandre, I met George this morning,
it’s probably best if you contact him direct
atStartek.george@gmail.com,  his full name is
George Bridget.
He
asked if you had any other spares so you might like to send
him your full list?
All the best Patrick


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Replacing Sonic Speed Log

scentstone
 

Hi Alan,

Thank you for the extensive documentation about the Sonic Speed replacement.
Highly appreciated by many of us ;-)
Kind regards

Fred
S/V ScentStone
SM2K #375



Re: New file uploaded to amelyachtowners

Dominique Guenot
 

Great Doc Alan

Thank you

Dominique Guenot

s/v Viva currently in Fiji

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