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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Courtney, I still don't have enough information to give you a definite answer, so here goes my best guess. The sail has "backlashed" or in other words wound backwards over itself. It is going to take a someone keeping a very close eye on the leech where it goes into the slot in the mast to direct a crew member to furl and unfurl until you get the backlash out. While performing this it is difficult for me to tell you when to have pressure on the clew (outhaul tension) because it depends on how the sail is backlashed. The number one thing that you need to have is patience and do this one inch at a time, moving the furling motor to furl and unfurl while pulling at the appropriate time on the clew (outhaul). If you like, give me a call at the number below. I am assuming that the sails are original and has battens. The battens will make this job much more difficult. If you run out of patience, seek the help of a sail loft. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 1:19 PM, itsfun1 Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
webercardio <webercardio@...>
I had this problem 2 years ago - bearings in the furler GEARBOX mounted over the motor were rusty and blocked the gear/motor. I secured the sail and removed the gearbox. Replaced the open bearings with a closed SKF bearing. Pictures are posted 2 years ago. Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54 #162
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Steve,
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My wife Cindy and I are on Dock 12 we will be around tomorrow some of the time. Please stop by if you like. We are gone on sunday but I will be back the following week.
Cheers
Courtney
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 6:58 pm Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler Hello Courtney,
Welcome to Brunswick. What dock are you on? There are 3 Super Maramu here. Duane and Peggy are on dock 9 with Wanderer, I am on dock 10 with my wife Kjersten and two daughters Tougy and Nurai on TouRai, and Paul and Tanya and their daughter Samantha are on dock 14 with Trillium.
All the best,
Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai
Brunswick, GA
On Jul 7, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Thanks Steve and every one else. With a little tension and some in and out all is now well with my Main........sail. Thanks Courtney Amel 54, Trippin Brunswick PS Steve sorry I wasn't around to offer you a drink we were Visiting my mom Cheers Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 7/7/17 2:39 PM (GMT-05:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler Having just gone down to find you on dock 12, it appeared from the dock that the mast foil was under a fair bit of tension and pulled aft jamming the slot. You may want to roll the mast furling motor out a tap and perhaps then back in some to see if you can get a good wrap on the foil without too much tension. I am on dock 10 if you get back to the boat and want extra hands and eyes. All the best, Steve Morrison SM380 TouRai Brunswick, GA
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Re: mainsail furler motor/gearbox
Duane Siegfri
Bill,
Thanks for the Outhaul Service instructions. That's next on my list! Duane Wanderer, SM#477
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
Having just gone down to find you on dock 12, it appeared from the dock that the mast foil was under a fair bit of tension and pulled aft jamming the slot. You may want to roll the mast furling motor out a tap and perhaps then back in some to see if you can get a good wrap on the foil without too much tension. I am on dock 10 if you get back to the boat and want extra hands and eyes. All the best, Steve Morrison SM380 TouRai Brunswick, GA
On Jul 7, 2017, at 2:22 PM, itsfun1 Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Thanks Jeff Courtney Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 7/7/17 1:02 PM (GMT-05:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler Greetings Courtney, I’ve had nothing but in mast furling boats and I’ve learned the following tricks: - HEAD into wind!!! - If your sail is in good condition, there should be no reason to get a jam. - Ensure your boom is horizontal. if you have a vang, release the tension. - Keep tension (light) on your outhaul as you furl in. In your case, I suspect the boom was not horizontal… if this is the case, you might have a “bunch up” about mid mast. Go up the mast and have an other CM furl in or out as you inspect the offender. Gently does it … it will fix it self when you are patient. Good luck Jean-Pierre Germain SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Curacao on the hard.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Thanks Mark Courtney Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 7/7/17 12:21 PM (GMT-05:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Courtney,
As you unfurl the sail, unfurl it to a point where it gets stuck but do not pull it tight. Snug the outhaul but not very tight. Secure the boom. Work the in mast furling motor back and forth a few times but not too much at once – perhaps a full turn or a couple of turns each direction. Keeping a little tension on the outhaul the whole time. The main sail should slowly start to become unsnagged as you work the in-mast furling back and forth. It takes a little finesse to work it back and forth. As the sail comes out keep the outhaul snug. Usually the snags will give as the sail is going into the mast.
Important: Do not over strain the motors. Do not try to force the sail with the motor. If the motor starts to strain, STOP and go the other direction.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Guadeloupe - Îles des Saintes
www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hi all, After our first sail we have a stuck main sail not enough tension while furling. Question is how do I solve the problem? Thanks Courtney Amel 54 Trippin' Brunswick
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 7/7/17 9:57 AM (GMT-05:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646
Thanks all for extensive responses. As for some of you, this must be the result of a prior mechanics work. We will bear in mind your recommendations when we do our first intervention.
Best wishes,
On 5 July 2017 at 18:29, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Thanks for the plug, Porter.
Every Amel owner should do their very best to contain saltwater when opening anything with saltwater. A combination of towels and suction will keep your Amel engine room looking new. And, it is no more trouble to do things the BEST way.
On Jul 5, 2017 09:35, "Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Mine is extremely rusty. Purchased that way: likely prior mechanic did not use the Bill Rouse wet/dry vac/ surgical suction method for total NaCl containment. Applied Corosion X, now unchanged and have a spare in the parts list.
Works fine however is a cosmetic issue at present.
-- GARULFO Amel 54 #122 Cap d'Agde, France
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Bill 1. Sails were luffing, I had used the sail to get off a sandbar and rushed taking it in. 2. Was 80% until I tired to unfurl and now 100% (another bad) 3. They attempt to move but no movement I didn't push it as I did not want to make a bad situation worse. Thanks Courtney Amel 54, Trippin Brunswick Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 7/7/17 12:10 PM (GMT-05:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler Hi Courtney,
Your question causes me to ask questions.
Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970 On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 9:29 AM, itsfun1 Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
Hello Courtney, Welcome to Brunswick. What dock are you on? There are 3 Super Maramu here. Duane and Peggy are on dock 9 with Wanderer, I am on dock 10 with my wife Kjersten and two daughters Tougy and Nurai on TouRai, and Paul and Tanya and their daughter Samantha are on dock 14 with Trillium. All the best, Steve Morrison SM 380 TouRai Brunswick, GA
On Jul 7, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Courtney Gorman Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
sorry, Sail is furled in and I cannot get it out. it is all the way in was unsure if I should just pull on it or if there is some better way.
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Courtney
Amel 54, Trippin'
Brunswick
-----Original Message----- From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] To: amelyachtowners Sent: Fri, Jul 7, 2017 11:37 am Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler Courtney,
Could you be more specific? Is the sail stuck in the furled position? Is it part way furled? Will in go in but not out? What if anything have you tried so far? More details would help us know what the problem is.
Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass
---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote : Hi all,
After our first sail we have a stuck main sail not enough tension while furling. Question is how do I solve the problem?
Thanks
Courtney
Amel 54 Trippin'
Brunswick
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
Greetings Courtney,
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I’ve had nothing but in mast furling boats and I’ve learned the following tricks: - HEAD into wind!!! - If your sail is in good condition, there should be no reason to get a jam. - Ensure your boom is horizontal. if you have a vang, release the tension. - Keep tension (light) on your outhaul as you furl in. In your case, I suspect the boom was not horizontal… if this is the case, you might have a “bunch up” about mid mast. Go up the mast and have an other CM furl in or out as you inspect the offender. Gently does it … it will fix it self when you are patient. Good luck Jean-Pierre Germain SY Eleuthera, SM 007, Curacao on the hard.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Courtney,
As you unfurl the sail, unfurl it to a point where it gets stuck but do not pull it tight. Snug the outhaul but not very tight. Secure the boom. Work the in mast furling motor back and forth a few times but not too much at once – perhaps a full turn or a couple of turns each direction. Keeping a little tension on the outhaul the whole time. The main sail should slowly start to become unsnagged as you work the in-mast furling back and forth. It takes a little finesse to work it back and forth. As the sail comes out keep the outhaul snug. Usually the snags will give as the sail is going into the mast.
Important: Do not over strain the motors. Do not try to force the sail with the motor. If the motor starts to strain, STOP and go the other direction.
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Guadeloupe - Îles des Saintes
www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 10:30 AM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Hi all, After our first sail we have a stuck main sail not enough tension while furling. Question is how do I solve the problem? Thanks Courtney Amel 54 Trippin' Brunswick
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" Date: 7/7/17 9:57 AM (GMT-05:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646
Thanks all for extensive responses. As for some of you, this must be the result of a prior mechanics work. We will bear in mind your recommendations when we do our first intervention.
Best wishes,
On 5 July 2017 at 18:29, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Thanks for the plug, Porter.
Every Amel owner should do their very best to contain saltwater when opening anything with saltwater. A combination of towels and suction will keep your Amel engine room looking new. And, it is no more trouble to do things the BEST way.
On Jul 5, 2017 09:35, "Porter McRoberts portermcroberts@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote: Mine is extremely rusty. Purchased that way: likely prior mechanic did not use the Bill Rouse wet/dry vac/ surgical suction method for total NaCl containment. Applied Corosion X, now unchanged and have a spare in the parts list.
Works fine however is a cosmetic issue at present.
-- GARULFO Amel 54 #122 Cap d'Agde, France
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Hi Courtney, Your question causes me to ask questions.
Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School www.amelschool.com 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 9:29 AM, itsfun1 Itsfun1@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
greatketch@...
Courtney,
Could you be more specific? Is the sail stuck in the furled position? Is it part way furled? Will in go in but not out? What if anything have you tried so far? More details would help us know what the problem is. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Boston, Mass ---In amelyachtowners@..., <Itsfun1@...> wrote : Hi all, After our first sail we have a stuck main sail not enough tension while furling. Question is how do I solve the problem? Thanks Courtney Amel 54 Trippin' Brunswick Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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[Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 Main Sail Furler
Hi all, After our first sail we have a stuck main sail not enough tension while furling. Question is how do I solve the problem? Thanks Courtney Amel 54 Trippin' Brunswick Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message -------- From: "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> Date: 7/7/17 9:57 AM (GMT-05:00) To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646 Thanks all for extensive responses. As for some of you, this must be the result of a prior mechanics work. We will bear in mind your recommendations when we do our first intervention. Best wishes, On 5 July 2017 at 18:29, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
GARULFO Amel 54 #122 Cap d'Agde, France
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel54 ONAN Generator MDKBN Fuel Pump 149 2646
Sv Garulfo
Thanks all for extensive responses. As for some of you, this must be the result of a prior mechanics work. We will bear in mind your recommendations when we do our first intervention. Best wishes,
On 5 July 2017 at 18:29, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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GARULFO Amel 54 #122 Cap d'Agde, France
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Re: mainsail furler motor/gearbox
Its probably silicone goop that's making it stick. Tap it with a soft headed hammer, it should separate from the gearbox...the motor shaft has a key on it, watch you don't lose it when pulling the motor off.
Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] head sail furling motor problem
Mark thank you
Glad to offer you a beer whenever we meet. I reconnected the wires and now it works Paul on SY Kerpa SM259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] head sail furling motor problem
Paul,
We had a similar issue when reconnecting the motor wires in the anchor locker junction box. There were re-connected incorrectly. I’ll bet a beer this is where the problem lies. I can take a pic and send it to you tomorrow if needed????
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Guadeloupe - Îles des Saintes www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@...
[mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2017 5:34 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] head sail furling motor problem
Just been launched after having copper coat applied on the bottom When reconnect the headsail furler motor cables, the motor only goes in one direction unfurl. no problem with current to the motor, when changing place on the cables in the junction box in the anchorbox, still motor only goes in one direction unfurling. so problem is in the motor itself, not with current to the motor When taking off the cover i found the motor warm even though we only run it for a few second. any one have encounter the same problem and know what could be wrong? could it be the carbon?
Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
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