Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] some ideas (2)

amelforme

Probably. That is not good. Get fuel.

On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:28 AM, jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Stay In Town:

There are 2 forces acting on a boat tied or anchored.

1:

Force the boat exerts due to it's own mass

F=ma. m=mass of boat a=(v2-v1)/(t2-t1). What that means is as your boat moves, and tugs on your lines, the harder the wind blows, and the faster it swings and bobs, more force is exerted on your lines.

2:

Force of the wind on your boat

F=APCd. a=area, P=(a coefficient)v2  where v=velocity of the wind  Cd are coeficients.

SO...force is equal to the square of the wind velocity.

A 30mph wind exerts a 900unit force.

A 70mph wind exerts a 4900unit force

A 100mph wind exerts a 10000unit force

Bobbing and tugging more drastically, along with double the wind force, it's easy to see why a hurricane with winds of 100mph will exert TWICE the combined forces on your boat as tropical storm force winds of 70mph would.

You need to counteract these forces obviously.
At anchor:
Winds will swing counterclockwise (backing) as the storm passes (assuming the storm passes from east to west). As a result, your boat will swing with it. You need to deploy anchors at angles to account for this.
Most harbors and bays bottom sediment is either sand, mud, clay, or a combo of this, but generally on the soft side. I prefer an anchor that will present a perpendicular surface on it's flukes, driving them into the bottom, and presenting maximum resistance to the pull of the anchor line.
I used a combination of a dansforth  (which held) and a plow (which dragged) while Spirit was tied up and also anchored between piers at the marina to weather Irma's tropical force winds.

I plan to buy a fortress anchor. Look them up.

In the marina: Between piers! , NEVER in a slip.
Anticipate the wind shift and tie up so you will have enough lines holding you as this occurs.
Get some tires. Slip them over the pilings you plan to tie to. Wrap a piece of chain around the tire, and tie up to the chain. The tires will flex, and dampen the motion, lessening the force on the lines (see F=ma)

I plan to buy some spectra line to supplement my line inventory. Expensive, but light and easy to store.
I was lucky that Jose Mendes (owner of Marina Pescaderia) had enough heavy nylon line for me to purchase to tie Spirit up to weather Irma. Damn lucky. Get it now, so you have it when you need it, you might not be so lucky. 400 feet of Spectra would take up less space then 100 feet of good nylon line.

Next up...Get out of Dodge. But not today.
I hope this stuff is helpful to someone.

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] some ideas (2)

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

Jeff,

Thanks. This is very helpful. And, congratulations!

CW Bill Rouse
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sep 30, 2017 07:28, "jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Stay In Town:

There are 2 forces acting on a boat tied or anchored.

1:

Force the boat exerts due to it's own mass

F=ma. m=mass of boat a=(v2-v1)/(t2-t1). What that means is as your boat moves, and tugs on your lines, the harder the wind blows, and the faster it swings and bobs, more force is exerted on your lines.

2:

Force of the wind on your boat

F=APCd. a=area, P=(a coefficient)v2  where v=velocity of the wind  Cd are coeficients.

SO...force is equal to the square of the wind velocity.

A 30mph wind exerts a 900unit force.

A 70mph wind exerts a 4900unit force

A 100mph wind exerts a 10000unit force

Bobbing and tugging more drastically, along with double the wind force, it's easy to see why a hurricane with winds of 100mph will exert TWICE the combined forces on your boat as tropical storm force winds of 70mph would.

You need to counteract these forces obviously.
At anchor:
Winds will swing counterclockwise (backing) as the storm passes (assuming the storm passes from east to west). As a result, your boat will swing with it. You need to deploy anchors at angles to account for this.
Most harbors and bays bottom sediment is either sand, mud, clay, or a combo of this, but generally on the soft side. I prefer an anchor that will present a perpendicular surface on it's flukes, driving them into the bottom, and presenting maximum resistance to the pull of the anchor line.
I used a combination of a dansforth  (which held) and a plow (which dragged) while Spirit was tied up and also anchored between piers at the marina to weather Irma's tropical force winds.

I plan to buy a fortress anchor. Look them up.

In the marina: Between piers, NEVER in a slip.
Anticipate the wind shift and tie up so you will have enough lines holding you as this occurs.
Get some tires. Slip them over the pilings you plan to tie to. Wrap a piece of chain around the tire, and tie up to the chain. The tires will flex, and dampen the motion, lessening the force on the lines (see F=ma)

I plan to buy some spectra line to supplement my line inventory. Expensive, but light and easy to store.
I was lucky that Jose Mendes (owner of Marina Pescaderia) had enough heavy nylon line for me to purchase to tie Spirit up to weather Irma. Damn lucky. Get it now, so you have it when you need it, you might not be so lucky. 400 feet of Spectra would take up less space then 100 feet of good nylon line.

Next up...Get out of Dodge. But not today.
I hope this stuff is helpful to someone.

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Warning

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

Hanspeter,

Much of my email was about Ruedi's email. I know that he is a good, honest person and a fine owner of an Amel. My words about ordering parts was directly responding to the only part of his email that I thought that I could comment on, except for my direct apology to him and JP.

Hanspeter, sometimes you make remarks about me and others that are hurtful and inaccurate. I am not sure what some of us have done to be your target for this. Until now, I have stayed silent. All I will say is that it is difficult to understand you.

Back to the subject of this thread:
As I stated in my response, I believe,recommend, and practice the following:
1.) Order parts from SAV whenever possible
2.) Always ensure contracted work is completely understood
3. Always supervise 100% of contracted work

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

On Sep 29, 2017 21:46, "'hanspeter.baettig@...' hanspeter.baettig@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill
i think you missed the message from Ruedi. Bill, that's serious. He is a gentleman thrustful, with a very bad experiance like me with this vaurian (thats franch, you can google it in eng. lang.)

Hanspeter
Tamango 2

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 29.09.2017 um 16:15 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>:

Rudolph and JP,

I am sorry that you had issues with Amel's rep in Turkey because I recommended them after they performed very well for me. They were recommended to me by an Italian owner of a 54. I used Emek in Turkey for many different things,, and if I were there today, I would use them. Like any business, there are strengths and weaknesses. And like any complaint or story, there are at least two sides to the story.

Social media and forums such as this are good for many things, but unfortunately a few differences can ruin someone's reputation. I happen to know more about a few complaints regarding Emek than I think most people know. There is one thing in common with most of the service oriented complaints and that is the owner's expectations were not realistic and in most cases the owner was absent. The owner's expectations should have been established by Emek, but regrettably it is the Turkish culture to say whatever you want to hear.

There is a significant risk for leaving your Amel unsupervised, even at Amel-owned facilities. I believe that when maintenance of any kind is performed on your Amel, you should be present and supervise the project. You have to remember that the workers hired by Amel, or any service provider, are, almost always, unschooled people with general mechanical ability that are expected to perform work on anything from toilets to generators. If you cannot understand this, maybe you should not own a boat.

There is nobody better qualified to ship parts for an Amel than SAV"at"Amel.fr. If you use another source, you are certainly taking a risk. The bow thruster went through several changes during the production of the SM and only the good people at SAV know the issues. Yes, their prices are higher, and yes, the air freight they use is more expensive, and yes, you take many risks in buying parts elsewhere.

I happen to know much more about a few complaints, but there are at least two sides to every issue, and I personally do not feel that this is the place to present them to you. But, if I were in Turkey today, I would use Emek for some things and like always, I would supervise the work, the same way that I do anywhere. By biggest problem is that I have nobody supervising me.

Best,

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:11 AM, r.zurkirchen@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

" Warning

I would like to warn all AMEL - owners.

In Turkey, there is a person, called Riza, who operates under EMEK - Marina. He seems to be an appointed Agent of AMEL.

I had ordered from him a few items, when he told me that he has everything in stock and could send them to Australia within 3 days. After we had placed the order and sent the money, we had to chasse him during  3 Month to get the items. He provided us inbetween with fake bills of ladding and thosand excuses. Finaly we got a Bowthruster motor wich was not new and even broken. We had to get it to a specialised workshop to make it working. The price of EMEK was with 3800 € for a new motor !

Further, and to the wors, he did not provide a ordered repair- kit for the Bowthruster. The Money he got for that was 880€. After the intervention of AMEL La Rochelle, Riza wrote that he will reimburse  the money for the not delivered goods. He lied as well to me, as to AMEL, when he sayd that he had sent the money. The 880 € never arrived at our account !

For me it is extremely strainge, that AMEL is working with such crucks. I had mailed the story to the GM oF AMEL, but never got any signe from them. Only, M. Billard from SAV, was helpfull to us, but finaly, he did not get Riza to reimburse the collected 880 €.

EMEK marina, not EMEK Sales or Riza answer any mail, asking the prouve of transfert, and no any other reply.

I strongly recommend al AMEL-Owners not to do any business with Riza. If you aske within the forum, you find other Owners, who had bad experiences with Riza.

If anyone want's more details, i have the whole story on my PC.

Rudolf

SAMANTHA

SM 2000 # 407"

some ideas (2)

JEFFREY KRAUS

Stay In Town:

There are 2 forces acting on a boat tied or anchored.

1:

Force the boat exerts due to it's own mass

F=ma. m=mass of boat a=(v2-v1)/(t2-t1). What that means is as your boat moves, and tugs on your lines, the harder the wind blows, and the faster it swings and bobs, more force is exerted on your lines.

2:

Force of the wind on your boat

F=APCd. a=area, P=(a coefficient)v2  where v=velocity of the wind  Cd are coeficients.

SO...force is equal to the square of the wind velocity.

A 30mph wind exerts a 900unit force.

A 70mph wind exerts a 4900unit force

A 100mph wind exerts a 10000unit force

Bobbing and tugging more drastically, along with double the wind force, it's easy to see why a hurricane with winds of 100mph will exert TWICE the combined forces on your boat as tropical storm force winds of 70mph would.

You need to counteract these forces obviously.
At anchor:
Winds will swing counterclockwise (backing) as the storm passes (assuming the storm passes from east to west). As a result, your boat will swing with it. You need to deploy anchors at angles to account for this.
Most harbors and bays bottom sediment is either sand, mud, clay, or a combo of this, but generally on the soft side. I prefer an anchor that will present a perpendicular surface on it's flukes, driving them into the bottom, and presenting maximum resistance to the pull of the anchor line.
I used a combination of a dansforth  (which held) and a plow (which dragged) while Spirit was tied up and also anchored between piers at the marina to weather Irma's tropical force winds.

I plan to buy a fortress anchor. Look them up.

In the marina: Between piers, NEVER in a slip.
Anticipate the wind shift and tie up so you will have enough lines holding you as this occurs.
Get some tires. Slip them over the pilings you plan to tie to. Wrap a piece of chain around the tire, and tie up to the chain. The tires will flex, and dampen the motion, lessening the force on the lines (see F=ma)

I plan to buy some spectra line to supplement my line inventory. Expensive, but light and easy to store.
I was lucky that Jose Mendes (owner of Marina Pescaderia) had enough heavy nylon line for me to purchase to tie Spirit up to weather Irma. Damn lucky. Get it now, so you have it when you need it, you might not be so lucky. 400 feet of Spectra would take up less space then 100 feet of good nylon line.

Next up...Get out of Dodge. But not today.
I hope this stuff is helpful to someone.

Jeff Spirit Amel 54 #14

some ideas (1)

JEFFREY KRAUS

weather awareness/ HURRICANE TRACKER

I have it downloaded on my phone. It flat out saved me.

Religiously, I monitor bouy reports, noaa issued marine coastal and offshore reports, and grib wind files (passage weather is one) for both eastern LI,NY and wherever Spirit lies. And hurricane tracker during hurricane season. More information on each specific storm is available thru NOAA, but hurricane tracker is the canary in a coal mine for me.

After returning from a scallop trip offshore I checked it at 1500 last saturday to see the status of Jose, which was approaching eastern LI (where I have 4 boats). I needed to prepare them to weather Jose. I checked for any trouble brewing elsewhere, my routine. Noaa's track and cone projections have 4 categories. D depression. S tropical storm H hurricane, and M major hurricane. At 1500hrs, what was to become Maria was a DEPRESSION with max sustained of 35, HOWEVER, it's track showed it crossing PR as M within 4 days. Holy Crap!

I immediately arranged to fly down Monday.

I had a day to prepare my vessels and delegate concerns to monitor them, and begin preparations for Spirit.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] COCO Amel 53 2000 sail sizes

James Alton

Hello All,

I ordered a  110 percent  tri-radial jib from Q-sails this season.  I provided Q-sails with the dimensions of my original Genoa for the initial quote and then complete measurements for my boat which included the Genoa track positions.  Emrah Oge was my contact and was very prompt and courteous in responding to my emails.  The sail was completed on time and the price was as quoted.  When the sail arrived and was installed on the boat, my initial impression was that the workmanship looked good.  I unfortunately quickly found that have a significant problem with the sail since the sheeting position required to properly trim the sail falls more than a meter ahead of the forward end of my original Genoa track.  The sail will apparently require a recut to fit the boat.  I have emails in to Emrah Oge and he is aware of the problem based on his delayed initial response. I was told that he was having a server problem and certainly this is possible, however there also seems to be a delay in response to my more recent emails as well.  I won't speculate on the eventual outcome at this time since I want to give Emrah Oge adequate time to respond but I will provide a future update on this forum.

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Currently enroute to Stromboli in the Aeolian Islands, Italy

Sent from Samsung tablet.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Warning

hanspeter baettig

Bill
i think you missed the message from Ruedi. Bill, that's serious. He is a gentleman thrustful, with a very bad experiance like me with this vaurian (thats franch, you can google it in eng. lang.)

Hanspeter
Tamango 2

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 29.09.2017 um 16:15 schrieb 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

Rudolph and JP,

I am sorry that you had issues with Amel's rep in Turkey because I recommended them after they performed very well for me. They were recommended to me by an Italian owner of a 54. I used Emek in Turkey for many different things,, and if I were there today, I would use them. Like any business, there are strengths and weaknesses. And like any complaint or story, there are at least two sides to the story.

Social media and forums such as this are good for many things, but unfortunately a few differences can ruin someone's reputation. I happen to know more about a few complaints regarding Emek than I think most people know. There is one thing in common with most of the service oriented complaints and that is the owner's expectations were not realistic and in most cases the owner was absent. The owner's expectations should have been established by Emek, but regrettably it is the Turkish culture to say whatever you want to hear.

There is a significant risk for leaving your Amel unsupervised, even at Amel-owned facilities. I believe that when maintenance of any kind is performed on your Amel, you should be present and supervise the project. You have to remember that the workers hired by Amel, or any service provider, are, almost always, unschooled people with general mechanical ability that are expected to perform work on anything from toilets to generators. If you cannot understand this, maybe you should not own a boat.

There is nobody better qualified to ship parts for an Amel than SAV"at"Amel.fr. If you use another source, you are certainly taking a risk. The bow thruster went through several changes during the production of the SM and only the good people at SAV know the issues. Yes, their prices are higher, and yes, the air freight they use is more expensive, and yes, you take many risks in buying parts elsewhere.

I happen to know much more about a few complaints, but there are at least two sides to every issue, and I personally do not feel that this is the place to present them to you. But, if I were in Turkey today, I would use Emek for some things and like always, I would supervise the work, the same way that I do anywhere. By biggest problem is that I have nobody supervising me.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Commander Emeritus

http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:11 AM, r.zurkirchen@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

" Warning

I would like to warn all AMEL - owners.

In Turkey, there is a person, called Riza, who operates under EMEK - Marina. He seems to be an appointed Agent of AMEL.

I had ordered from him a few items, when he told me that he has everything in stock and could send them to Australia within 3 days. After we had placed the order and sent the money, we had to chasse him during  3 Month to get the items. He provided us inbetween with fake bills of ladding and thosand excuses. Finaly we got a Bowthruster motor wich was not new and even broken. We had to get it to a specialised workshop to make it working. The price of EMEK was with 3800 € for a new motor !

Further, and to the wors, he did not provide a ordered repair- kit for the Bowthruster. The Money he got for that was 880€. After the intervention of AMEL La Rochelle, Riza wrote that he will reimburse  the money for the not delivered goods. He lied as well to me, as to AMEL, when he sayd that he had sent the money. The 880 € never arrived at our account !

For me it is extremely strainge, that AMEL is working with such crucks. I had mailed the story to the GM oF AMEL, but never got any signe from them. Only, M. Billard from SAV, was helpfull to us, but finaly, he did not get Riza to reimburse the collected 880 €.

EMEK marina, not EMEK Sales or Riza answer any mail, asking the prouve of transfert, and no any other reply.

I strongly recommend al AMEL-Owners not to do any business with Riza. If you aske within the forum, you find other Owners, who had bad experiences with Riza.

If anyone want's more details, i have the whole story on my PC.

Rudolf

SAMANTHA

SM 2000 # 407"

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] COCO Amel 53 2000 sail sizes

Paul Osterberg

Ken we had the sails made in something called cruising laminate, substantially lower price than hydrant. I asked Mr oge if it was worth the extra. 30 % to have the sails in hydranet  and he said not really. I thought maybe better to buy new sails a little bit more often. Glad I did so as cutting/ design was not to our liking, we will probably buy new sails within a few seasons again.
Paul

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] COCO Amel 53 2000 sail sizes

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>

Paul,

What was the material material used for your sails?  Aquarius will be fitted with Hydranet sails, and I hope (because Hydranet is not cheap) that they will be good for many years....

Ken Powers
SV Aquarius SM2K #262
Currently on the hard at PowerBoats in Trinidad

On Friday, September 29, 2017 11:43 AM, "Ken Powers sailingaquarius@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

Hi,

Bill told me about QSails, and I am to receive the sails today from QSails.  They have all the measurements.  I have not seen the sails yet, just a photo.  But, the service so far has been awesome!

QSails in Turkey
Emrah Oge - info@...

Ken
Aquarius SM2K #262
Currently on the hard at PowerBoats in Trinidad
www.sailingaquarius.com

On Friday, September 29, 2017 10:40 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

I have two sail size specifications from Amel.

They are not identical.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Commander Emeritus

http://www.amelschool. com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:30 PM, gdagreen@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

I am in the process of ordering a new set of sails in the US while my boat is in Greece.

Does anyone happen to have the factory sizes of the sails and ballooners?

Many thanks

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] COCO Amel 53 2000 sail sizes

Paul Osterberg

For info, We bought sails from Q sails about a year ago, but can't say that we are to happy with them,
They wrinkle a lot when being furled. The shape is at the best awerage. But the price was low. We Will not buy there again. I understand from the forum that other who have ordered from Q sails are pleased. Just want to give our view.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] COCO Amel 53 2000 sail sizes

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>

Hi,

Bill told me about QSails, and I am to receive the sails today from QSails.  They have all the measurements.  I have not seen the sails yet, just a photo.  But, the service so far has been awesome!

QSails in Turkey
Emrah Oge - info@...

Ken
Aquarius SM2K #262
Currently on the hard at PowerBoats in Trinidad
www.sailingaquarius.com

On Friday, September 29, 2017 10:40 AM, "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:

I have two sail size specifications from Amel.

They are not identical.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Commander Emeritus

http://www.amelschool. com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:30 PM, gdagreen@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

I am in the process of ordering a new set of sails in the US while my boat is in Greece.

Does anyone happen to have the factory sizes of the sails and ballooners?

Many thanks

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] COCO Amel 53 2000 sail sizes

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

I have two sail size specifications from Amel.

They are not identical.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Commander Emeritus

http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:30 PM, gdagreen@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

I am in the process of ordering a new set of sails in the US while my boat is in Greece.

Does anyone happen to have the factory sizes of the sails and ballooners?

Many thanks

COCO Amel 53 2000 sail sizes

George Green

I am in the process of ordering a new set of sails in the US while my boat is in Greece.

Does anyone happen to have the factory sizes of the sails and ballooners?

Many thanks

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Warning

Porter McRoberts

I agree very much with Bill.

I was at times very frustrated by Riza and his crew.
My AMERICAN expectations did not fit with the Turkish approach.... at first.  But. After waiting sometimes great lengths of time I have a simply beautiful 54-specific arch with 1000watts of solar pumping in every day. The welders here are shocked at the high quality and reasonable price offered by Riza.
Additionally I have a new washer. Sent from Italy to turkey   Repackaged and sent here- Fort Lauderdale. As you all know it’s easier to talk to Henri Amel than find a new washer for a 54 especially in the US.

So. My suggestions.
Approach with clear and well laid out expectations and time frame.

Be explicit when talking to Riza about what exactly you need and by when. Talk about what would happen if he can’t make the deadlines. And likelihood of making the deadlines.

I do not believe Riza intentionally deceives or is complicit in any shenanigans. But certainly I understand your frustration and clearly the Emek way needs a buffing if they want to be a major player supporting Amel owners as I think they could!  We are lacking for easy and inexpensive support!

Rule 2 in deal making.  Have the responsibly party repeat the deal three times in the conversation.

I like the follow up email too.

This is a tough scenario.

The best to you

Porter and Helen
S/V IBIS. 54-152
Fort Lauderdale

Excuse the errors.
Sent from my IPhone

On Sep 29, 2017, at 10:15 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Rudolph and JP,

I am sorry that you had issues with Amel's rep in Turkey because I recommended them after they performed very well for me. They were recommended to me by an Italian owner of a 54. I used Emek in Turkey for many different things,, and if I were there today, I would use them. Like any business, there are strengths and weaknesses. And like any complaint or story, there are at least two sides to the story.

Social media and forums such as this are good for many things, but unfortunately a few differences can ruin someone's reputation. I happen to know more about a few complaints regarding Emek than I think most people know. There is one thing in common with most of the service oriented complaints and that is the owner's expectations were not realistic and in most cases the owner was absent. The owner's expectations should have been established by Emek, but regrettably it is the Turkish culture to say whatever you want to hear.

There is a significant risk for leaving your Amel unsupervised, even at Amel-owned facilities. I believe that when maintenance of any kind is performed on your Amel, you should be present and supervise the project. You have to remember that the workers hired by Amel, or any service provider, are, almost always, unschooled people with general mechanical ability that are expected to perform work on anything from toilets to generators. If you cannot understand this, maybe you should not own a boat.

There is nobody better qualified to ship parts for an Amel than SAV"at"Amel.fr. If you use another source, you are certainly taking a risk. The bow thruster went through several changes during the production of the SM and only the good people at SAV know the issues. Yes, their prices are higher, and yes, the air freight they use is more expensive, and yes, you take many risks in buying parts elsewhere.

I happen to know much more about a few complaints, but there are at least two sides to every issue, and I personally do not feel that this is the place to present them to you. But, if I were in Turkey today, I would use Emek for some things and like always, I would supervise the work, the same way that I do anywhere. By biggest problem is that I have nobody supervising me.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Commander Emeritus

http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:11 AM, r.zurkirchen@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

" Warning

I would like to warn all AMEL - owners.

In Turkey, there is a person, called Riza, who operates under EMEK - Marina. He seems to be an appointed Agent of AMEL.

I had ordered from him a few items, when he told me that he has everything in stock and could send them to Australia within 3 days. After we had placed the order and sent the money, we had to chasse him during  3 Month to get the items. He provided us inbetween with fake bills of ladding and thosand excuses. Finaly we got a Bowthruster motor wich was not new and even broken. We had to get it to a specialised workshop to make it working. The price of EMEK was with 3800 € for a new motor !

Further, and to the wors, he did not provide a ordered repair- kit for the Bowthruster. The Money he got for that was 880€. After the intervention of AMEL La Rochelle, Riza wrote that he will reimburse  the money for the not delivered goods. He lied as well to me, as to AMEL, when he sayd that he had sent the money. The 880 € never arrived at our account !

For me it is extremely strainge, that AMEL is working with such crucks. I had mailed the story to the GM oF AMEL, but never got any signe from them. Only, M. Billard from SAV, was helpfull to us, but finaly, he did not get Riza to reimburse the collected 880 €.

EMEK marina, not EMEK Sales or Riza answer any mail, asking the prouve of transfert, and no any other reply.

I strongly recommend al AMEL-Owners not to do any business with Riza. If you aske within the forum, you find other Owners, who had bad experiences with Riza.

If anyone want's more details, i have the whole story on my PC.

Rudolf

SAMANTHA

SM 2000 # 407"

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Warning

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>

Rudolph and JP,

I am sorry that you had issues with Amel's rep in Turkey because I recommended them after they performed very well for me. They were recommended to me by an Italian owner of a 54. I used Emek in Turkey for many different things,, and if I were there today, I would use them. Like any business, there are strengths and weaknesses. And like any complaint or story, there are at least two sides to the story.

Social media and forums such as this are good for many things, but unfortunately a few differences can ruin someone's reputation. I happen to know more about a few complaints regarding Emek than I think most people know. There is one thing in common with most of the service oriented complaints and that is the owner's expectations were not realistic and in most cases the owner was absent. The owner's expectations should have been established by Emek, but regrettably it is the Turkish culture to say whatever you want to hear.

There is a significant risk for leaving your Amel unsupervised, even at Amel-owned facilities. I believe that when maintenance of any kind is performed on your Amel, you should be present and supervise the project. You have to remember that the workers hired by Amel, or any service provider, are, almost always, unschooled people with general mechanical ability that are expected to perform work on anything from toilets to generators. If you cannot understand this, maybe you should not own a boat.

There is nobody better qualified to ship parts for an Amel than SAV"at"Amel.fr. If you use another source, you are certainly taking a risk. The bow thruster went through several changes during the production of the SM and only the good people at SAV know the issues. Yes, their prices are higher, and yes, the air freight they use is more expensive, and yes, you take many risks in buying parts elsewhere.

I happen to know much more about a few complaints, but there are at least two sides to every issue, and I personally do not feel that this is the place to present them to you. But, if I were in Turkey today, I would use Emek for some things and like always, I would supervise the work, the same way that I do anywhere. By biggest problem is that I have nobody supervising me.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Commander Emeritus

http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:11 AM, r.zurkirchen@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

" Warning

I would like to warn all AMEL - owners.

In Turkey, there is a person, called Riza, who operates under EMEK - Marina. He seems to be an appointed Agent of AMEL.

I had ordered from him a few items, when he told me that he has everything in stock and could send them to Australia within 3 days. After we had placed the order and sent the money, we had to chasse him during  3 Month to get the items. He provided us inbetween with fake bills of ladding and thosand excuses. Finaly we got a Bowthruster motor wich was not new and even broken. We had to get it to a specialised workshop to make it working. The price of EMEK was with 3800 € for a new motor !

Further, and to the wors, he did not provide a ordered repair- kit for the Bowthruster. The Money he got for that was 880€. After the intervention of AMEL La Rochelle, Riza wrote that he will reimburse  the money for the not delivered goods. He lied as well to me, as to AMEL, when he sayd that he had sent the money. The 880 € never arrived at our account !

For me it is extremely strainge, that AMEL is working with such crucks. I had mailed the story to the GM oF AMEL, but never got any signe from them. Only, M. Billard from SAV, was helpfull to us, but finaly, he did not get Riza to reimburse the collected 880 €.

EMEK marina, not EMEK Sales or Riza answer any mail, asking the prouve of transfert, and no any other reply.

I strongly recommend al AMEL-Owners not to do any business with Riza. If you aske within the forum, you find other Owners, who had bad experiences with Riza.

If anyone want's more details, i have the whole story on my PC.

Rudolf

SAMANTHA

SM 2000 # 407"

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pull the Plug on a Liferaft in Annapolis!

Patrick McAneny

Bill, Diane and I will be in Annapolis from Thursday thru Sunday. We will be anchored out front , we will dinghy by.
See ya then,
Pat
SM Shenanigans

-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Thu, Sep 28, 2017 6:29 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Pull the Plug on a Liferaft in Annapolis!

We have been looking for a place to do this for a long time...  we have our old raft, and there will be a crowd of Amel (and other) sailors around for the boat show...

We are at Bert Jabin's so we'll have room off the end of the docks. We are just a short water taxi ride from the boat show docks

We are thinking Sunday, October 8th in the late afternoon...  Of course, there is a chance that nothing will happen when we pull that cord, but that would be an interesting outcome in its own way!

Other logistics remain to be decided...

RSVP, please to greatketch (at) yahoo (dot) com

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Back Creek, Annapolis, Maryland.

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lewis

amelforme

Hey Eric, Lou is a very choice piece of work. Give him a bear hug for me please.
Have a good voyage! Joel

On Sep 28, 2017, at 11:23 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Joel,

I was speaking to Lewis Allen and he said to give you his best wishes.

He might be heading this way to make a passage with us.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jeff on Spirit and hurricane Maria

Porter McRoberts

I could not agree more.
Well said Danny!
Jeff that was amazing. I’m sure we’d all learn from your report some day if you’re willing to share it.

Porter and Helen
Ibis. 54-152

On Sep 29, 2017, at 2:36 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Jeff, I salute you.

The courage you showed going to sea in the face of a fierce hurricane is awesome, as is your confidence in your ability to read the hurricanes projected track and position yourself to avoid it. I find that incredible. It is one thing to pontificate safely ashore about tracks and avoidance methods. Quite another to back yourself and put to sea. Well done seems inadequate.

Sincerest salutations

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 29 September 2017 at 01:25 "JEFFREY KRAUS jmkraus@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Good Morning Amelians,
I returned to NY late yesterday, and my only contact since 9/18, when I departed, till my return to NY was my sat phone, but more importantly, my email ability thru it, via my ocens software on my laptop. I could, however, only use my vessel email, which is different from my everyday email address.
I was fortunate to be able to offer it's use upon return to PR, to a number of people allowing them to reassure loved ones off island of their safety. A Blessing for all.
I want to thank those who made kind remarks towards me, and express my deepest sympathies for those who have experienced losses or damage to their vessels. I've seen the heartbreak here in Puerto Real firsthand, and spent days helping salvage valuables from vessels beached, holed, and, and awash, with my RIB. I was grateful to be able to help, knowing full well that if I had remained, I would have been in the same predicament.
To add insult to injury, there was looting of some of the boats in dire straits.
There are a number of lessons learned and later, I'll offer some suggestions that could be helpful to prevent tragedy for someone in the future. A few are items I plan to add to my equipment aboard, and I'm sure it will initiate a helpful discussion.
Later though, as I have a busy day with 4 boats up here.

Best Wishes to All,

Jeff

Spirit Amel 54 #14 Puerto Real, PR

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 09:08 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Good News!

I watched Jeff dock Spirit in TCI earlier this year. It was blowing really hard. He never touched a pylon.

With best regards,

Mark

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

www.creampuff.us

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 9:02 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jeff on Spirit and hurricane Maria

I just received a note from Jeff on his Amel 54.

He left the South west coast of Puerto  Rico before Maria and headed south. He encountered winds to 40 knots and seas 8-12 feet.

He returned to the marina and he was the only boat floating,.. The buoys to the entrance were gone

Some boats floating and many piled up on the beach. He entered and tied up to the gas dock in 20 knots.

He did this all single handed.30 hours total time solo.

Congratulations to Jeff

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Warning

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>

+1.  You are not alone.  I did a 14 month long refit of my boat ….. all problems now corrected but worth a €60K rework expense.

Took them 13 months to deliver a new life raft which had been prepaid.  Same for a black water tank.  Their workers are useless and other than their SS specialist have no training or work ethics .. True bodgers!

I call them the turkeys in Turkey!

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM 007

On 29 Sep 2017, at 03:11, r.zurkirchen@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

" Warning

I would like to warn all AMEL - owners.

In Turkey, there is a person, called Riza, who operates under EMEK - Marina. He seems to be an appointed Agent of AMEL.

I had ordered from him a few items, when he told me that he has everything in stock and could send them to Australia within 3 days. After we had placed the order and sent the money, we had to chasse him during  3 Month to get the items. He provided us inbetween with fake bills of ladding and thosand excuses. Finaly we got a Bowthruster motor wich was not new and even broken. We had to get it to a specialised workshop to make it working. The price of EMEK was with 3800 € for a new motor !

Further, and to the wors, he did not provide a ordered repair- kit for the Bowthruster. The Money he got for that was 880€. After the intervention of AMEL La Rochelle, Riza wrote that he will reimburse  the money for the not delivered goods. He lied as well to me, as to AMEL, when he sayd that he had sent the money. The 880 € never arrived at our account !

For me it is extremely strainge, that AMEL is working with such crucks. I had mailed the story to the GM oF AMEL, but never got any signe from them. Only, M. Billard from SAV, was helpfull to us, but finaly, he did not get Riza to reimburse the collected 880 €.

EMEK marina, not EMEK Sales or Riza answer any mail, asking the prouve of transfert, and no any other reply.

I strongly recommend al AMEL-Owners not to do any business with Riza. If you aske within the forum, you find other Owners, who had bad experiences with Riza.

If anyone want's more details, i have the whole story on my PC.

Rudolf

SAMANTHA

SM 2000 # 407"

Warning

r.zurkirchen

" Warning

I would like to warn all AMEL - owners.

In Turkey, there is a person, called Riza, who operates under EMEK - Marina. He seems to be an appointed Agent of AMEL.

I had ordered from him a few items, when he told me that he has everything in stock and could send them to Australia within 3 days. After we had placed the order and sent the money, we had to chasse him during  3 Month to get the items. He provided us inbetween with fake bills of ladding and thosand excuses. Finaly we got a Bowthruster motor wich was not new and even broken. We had to get it to a specialised workshop to make it working. The price of EMEK was with 3800 € for a new motor !

Further, and to the wors, he did not provide a ordered repair- kit for the Bowthruster. The Money he got for that was 880€. After the intervention of AMEL La Rochelle, Riza wrote that he will reimburse  the money for the not delivered goods. He lied as well to me, as to AMEL, when he sayd that he had sent the money. The 880 € never arrived at our account !

For me it is extremely strainge, that AMEL is working with such crucks. I had mailed the story to the GM oF AMEL, but never got any signe from them. Only, M. Billard from SAV, was helpfull to us, but finaly, he did not get Riza to reimburse the collected 880 €.

EMEK marina, not EMEK Sales or Riza answer any mail, asking the prouve of transfert, and no any other reply.

I strongly recommend al AMEL-Owners not to do any business with Riza. If you aske within the forum, you find other Owners, who had bad experiences with Riza.

If anyone want's more details, i have the whole story on my PC.

Rudolf

SAMANTHA

SM 2000 # 407"

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