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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

Patrick McAneny
 

Alexandre, That is not my issue, I failed to say that I have always been able to top out at about 3000 or 3100 rpm and about 8.3 kts. I had put Velux prop anti foul on my prop last year and three months later I could not believe how many barnacles I had . The company never responded to my questions . I surmised that if it works , it is not meant for fresh or brackish water. I know some bottom paint is not to be used in fresh water. 
Thanks, 
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sun, Aug 27, 2017 7:55 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

 
Good morning Pat,

It is a common problem that some of us have,
In my case, even with a rebuilt propeller, new turbo and clean hull I was not able to exceed 2350 rpm.
Even thought my boat is heavier than recommended, I believe it is because of the oversize propeller, Kent on Kristy re pitched his and can now go 2800 rpm.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA

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On Sun, 8/27/17, sailw32@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, August 27, 2017, 6:43 AM


 









This summer I have not been able to
motor above 2200 rpm , but in neutral I can go right up to
3000 . I have not been able to dive on the prop to see if it
is fouled do to an injury. If I had a problem with fuel ,
turbo etc. would I be able to get up to 3000 in neutral but
not in gear ? Or does this indicate just a fouled
prop. Thanks,PatSM#123




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

Massimo Vecchietti
 

...it is surely a prop problem !
Max
SM 84

Il 27 Ago 2017 14:43, "sailw32@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:
 

This summer I have not been able to motor above 2200 rpm , but in neutral I can go right up to 3000 . I have not been able to dive on the prop to see if it is fouled do to an injury. If I had a problem with fuel , turbo etc. would I be able to get up to 3000 in neutral but not in gear ? Or does this indicate just a fouled prop. 

Thanks,

Pat

SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Pat,

It is a common problem that some of us have,
In my case, even with a rebuilt propeller, new turbo and clean hull I was not able to exceed 2350 rpm.
Even thought my boat is heavier than recommended, I believe it is because of the oversize propeller, Kent on Kristy re pitched his and can now go 2800 rpm.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA




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On Sun, 8/27/17, sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rpm
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, August 27, 2017, 6:43 AM


 









This summer I have not been able to
motor above 2200 rpm , but in neutral I can go right up to
3000 . I have not been able to dive on the prop to see if it
is fouled do to an injury. If I had a problem with fuel ,
turbo etc. would I be able to get up to 3000 in neutral but
not in gear ? Or does this indicate just a fouled
prop. Thanks,PatSM#123


Rpm

Patrick McAneny
 

This summer I have not been able to motor above 2200 rpm , but in neutral I can go right up to 3000 . I have not been able to dive on the prop to see if it is fouled do to an injury. If I had a problem with fuel , turbo etc. would I be able to get up to 3000 in neutral but not in gear ? Or does this indicate just a fouled prop. 

Thanks,

Pat

SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maintenance

jhe1313@...
 

Thanks everyone for the excellent advice. I will get a wet vac!  As regards the bleach, I will use it to clean the hoses and the tube in a bucket but use it only sparingly on the bilge walls.  Bill, is your book useful for the A55 as well?  If so, how do I get a copy?  Thanks again, Joerg





Re: New old maramu !

Andy Croney
 

Congratulations Miles !

Welcome to this oasis of advice and information.

We are sure you will make many , many happy memories with your ( new ) Maramu :-)

Fair winds

Andy and Fifi
SV Paladin #75


Batterie not disconnected

eljaroellinghoff@...
 

Hello everyone
I just got yesterday at the left of the boat forgot to switch off the batteries.
There are 60 days not on Board now.
All other consumers are switched off.
This can cause the discharge of batteries coming through the selfdischarge of the tank's and volt meter?

Tanks Elja SM Balu #222#


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Meltem for sale

Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...>
 

I'm not Dutch but riffhynes@... boat is registered in the Netherlands. Just arrived in Canary Islands. Have several interested people from Amel forum. 

Ron Hynes
954.319.0944

On Aug 24, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Amel Sharki amel.sharki.charmedii@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Dear Ron,

I light be interested. Are you Dutch? Cause I AM....

Kind regards, Hajé Weisfelt




Op 13 jul. 2017 4:27 a.m. schreef "Ron Hynes riffhynes@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>:
 

Age and crew issues have combined to force the sale of my 1976 Amel Meltem. Experienced blue water cruiser with 2 circumnavigations under her keel.  Sound, solid vessel.


Lightning strike in June, 2015 resulted in total replacement of wind, depth, speed, radar and autopilot as well as alternator and charger/inverter, VHF, AIS w/splitter and Go-Free WIFI, HDTV and stereo (basically all electronics replaced).  New B&G Zeus and Triton equipment. 


Volvo MD32 rebuilt by certified rebuilder in Sneek, Netherlands in June, 2016. (Approximately 600 hours on since rebuild) at which time standing rigging was also replaced.  Topsides Awlgripped (White) then also.  New refrigeration/freezer (Frigoboat) June, 2016 draws about 1A per hour. Decks need refinishing. Presently lying in Majorca, Spain, but might consider delivery to other local. 


B/O over €50k takes it.  Full particulars supplied to your email response. 


Ron Hynes
A/V Swan Song
1976 Amel Meltem #29



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Greasing the Bamar 1.01 Furler

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Dean,

I have no direct knowledge about most of the following. All of my knowledge comes from reviewing Bamar manuals and  working with the Bamar furler  with several Amel School clients, but I will try to help you...so here goes... 

If you have the Bamar furler that came with your 54, it is belt-driven rather than their new and improved gear driven model.  The 1.01 & 1.02 and the 2.01& 2.02 are belt driven models. 

Amel and Bamar had some serious disagreements over these belt driven models, that resulted in the two companies ceasing to do business. Amel switched to Reckmann which makes a  fine gear-driven furler. Other owners have been referred by Amel to Bamar. Bamar updated their furler assortment offering gear-driven models instead of belt-driven. At that time Bamar wrote an open letter to 54 owners offering a reduced price to upgrade to their new gear driven model. If you are not aware of this, I can send you a copy. 

See if you can open both Port and Stbd sides of the furler to locate where the noise is coming from. It could be a number of things including the 4 brushes inside the motor. If you think it may be brushes inside the motor, write me for a procedure to open the motor. 

I hope this helps you. How long have you owned #154?


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On Aug 27, 2017 3:07 AM, "trifin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi All,

Our Bamar 1.01 staysail furling motor is very noisy.

I've read previous threads, and one thing which was suggested was to re-grease the gearing mechanism.

This part of the furler is not detailed in my manual. 

Can someone please advise if it is the nameplate (aft facing) which needs to be removed in order to access the gearing?

I can undo the four screws, but I'm not sure exactly how to remove the plate which is still quite firm.

Just thought I'd check before taking to it with a screwdriver!

Many thanks

Dean

SY Stella

Amel 54 #154




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Forestay replacement on Nirvana furler equipped Maramu

James Alton
 


Graham,

    Could you kindly also send me a copy of the drawing?

Thank you,

James Alton Lokiyawl2 at aol.com
SV Sueno, Maramu #220
Currently cruising the East coast of Sardinia


Sent from Samsung tablet.

-------- Original message --------
From: "grahamjohnston42@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 8/27/17 11:33 (GMT+01:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Forestay replacement on Nirvana furler equipped Maramu

 

Hello,
Yes I have the drawing and can send it to you.
I am not quite sure what you mean regarding the mainsail gearbox, are you referring to the manual or the one mounted on the electric motor?
I will need an email address.

Regards,
Graham


Re: Forestay replacement on Nirvana furler equipped Maramu

GrahamJohnston42 <grahamjohnston42@yahoo.com>
 

Hello,
Yes I have the drawing and can send it to you.
I am not quite sure what you mean regarding the mainsail gearbox, are you referring to the manual or the one mounted on the electric motor?
I will need an email address.

Regards,
Graham


Greasing the Bamar 1.01 Furler

Dean Gillies
 

Hi All,

Our Bamar 1.01 staysail furling motor is very noisy.

I've read previous threads, and one thing which was suggested was to re-grease the gearing mechanism.

This part of the furler is not detailed in my manual. 

Can someone please advise if it is the nameplate (aft facing) which needs to be removed in order to access the gearing?

I can undo the four screws, but I'm not sure exactly how to remove the plate which is still quite firm.

Just thought I'd check before taking to it with a screwdriver!

Many thanks

Dean

SY Stella

Amel 54 #154



Re: Bilge maitenance

jhe1313@...
 

Thanks much everyone for the advice! I will get a wet vac! As regards the bleach, maybe clean off the hoses with it using a bucket and then use it sparingly on the bilge itself?


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maitenance

Steve Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
 

Bill K.,

I wish my copper still looked like new.  Here is what I pulled out after discovering on my first passage as a new owner that the aft holding tank emptied into the access area below the shower pan.


Bleach was most likely the culprit as there was next to nothing left under the hose clamp that held the bonding wire.  I replaced the copper with a piece of fiberglass pipe as Mark from Creampuff suggested.  

All the best,
Steve Morrison
SM380 TouRai
Brunswick, GA


On 26 August 2017, at 11:19 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill,


I hear you, but anything over 50ppm free chorine is not recommended even for relatively short term contact with copper.  1/2 cup of bleach in a gallon is about 1,250ppm free chlorine. I don't worry about the pumps.  Contact there, if any, is really short.  The grounding strap is where I see the real problem soaking for an hour at a time every two months. 

It is certainly not as bad as dropping calcium hypochlorite tablets in and leaving them for long term (Ouch!), but is it still shortening the life of the copper grounding strap un-necessarily.  We can argue forever if the corrosion rate is enough to make a real world difference, but since bleach is not really needed, in my thinking, it is better avoided.

I am betting chlorine bleach is one of the reasons so many people have problems with the copper fittings in their holding tanks corroding, since adding bleach is a common (and bad!) recommendation there as well.  I had the hoses off one of my tanks today, and after 20 years of full time liveaboard service, the copper looks like new.  So we know that it is not the normal "stuff" in the holding tank that corrodes other boat's copper fittings...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass




---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Bill,

You are correct, however some of the recommendations in this thread were much higher than I gave which was 1/2 cup to a gallon of water for 1 hour, then use a wet vac to suck it out...then add 8 liters of fresh water. Additionally, if they follow my method, the "bleach" never reaches the pumps.

It is a common recommendation in Europe to place a spa chlorine tablet in the bilge and the sea chest. I know because I have been told by some Europeans, and because I have read this on the French Amel Owners Group. Unfortunately, this is really bad advice and ruins lots of things. I saw more copper saltwater manifolds fail on European owned Amels than others. I assume it is because of this misinformation.

Again, you are correct, Bill, too much is really bad.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School  http://amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maitenance

greatketch@...
 

Bill,

I hear you, but anything over 50ppm free chorine is not recommended even for relatively short term contact with copper.  1/2 cup of bleach in a gallon is about 1,250ppm free chlorine. I don't worry about the pumps.  Contact there, if any, is really short.  The grounding strap is where I see the real problem soaking for an hour at a time every two months. 

It is certainly not as bad as dropping calcium hypochlorite tablets in and leaving them for long term (Ouch!), but is it still shortening the life of the copper grounding strap un-necessarily.  We can argue forever if the corrosion rate is enough to make a real world difference, but since bleach is not really needed, in my thinking, it is better avoided.

I am betting chlorine bleach is one of the reasons so many people have problems with the copper fittings in their holding tanks corroding, since adding bleach is a common (and bad!) recommendation there as well.  I had the hoses off one of my tanks today, and after 20 years of full time liveaboard service, the copper looks like new.  So we know that it is not the normal "stuff" in the holding tank that corrodes other boat's copper fittings...

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass




---In amelyachtowners@..., <yahoogroups@...> wrote :

Bill,

You are correct, however some of the recommendations in this thread were much higher than I gave which was 1/2 cup to a gallon of water for 1 hour, then use a wet vac to suck it out...then add 8 liters of fresh water. Additionally, if they follow my method, the "bleach" never reaches the pumps.

It is a common recommendation in Europe to place a spa chlorine tablet in the bilge and the sea chest. I know because I have been told by some Europeans, and because I have read this on the French Amel Owners Group. Unfortunately, this is really bad advice and ruins lots of things. I saw more copper saltwater manifolds fail on European owned Amels than others. I assume it is because of this misinformation.

Again, you are correct, Bill, too much is really bad.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Bilge maitenance

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill,

You are correct, however some of the recommendations in this thread were much higher than I gave which was 1/2 cup to a gallon of water for 1 hour, then use a wet vac to suck it out...then add 8 liters of fresh water. Additionally, if they follow my method, the "bleach" never reaches the pumps.

It is a common recommendation in Europe to place a spa chlorine tablet in the bilge and the sea chest. I know because I have been told by some Europeans, and because I have read this on the French Amel Owners Group. Unfortunately, this is really bad advice and ruins lots of things. I saw more copper saltwater manifolds fail on European owned Amels than others. I assume it is because of this misinformation.

Again, you are correct, Bill, too much is really bad.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 8:39 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I know bleach (sodium hypochlorite) is a great cleaning agent, but in the concentrations being talked about it is actually quite corrosive to copper.  It would be best to avoid its frequent use in the sump if you want you copper grounding strap to last.


Bill Kinney
SM160m Harmonie
Boston, Mass



Re: Bilge maitenance

greatketch@...
 

I know bleach (sodium hypochlorite) is a great cleaning agent, but in the concentrations being talked about it is actually quite corrosive to copper.  It would be best to avoid its frequent use in the sump if you want you copper grounding strap to last.

Bill Kinney
SM160m Harmonie
Boston, Mass


Re: New Owners - SM #105 It's Real

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hello Mark & Jennifer and full props to the Great State of Texas!
We too just closed on our Amel JOY #388 formerly (Bamboozle). We envy you as we cannot move aboard for a handful of months yet. We're stuck in Utah living in the transition trailer (hot as HELL) and working for a few more months (I'll expalin over a drink some day..hopefully soon). Enjoy your well found craft as I can only day dream of sailing ours. Kim and I look forward to meeting you both and many others on our planned travels.

Best Regards and Best of Wishes,
Chuck & Kim
SM2K Joy
S.L.C Utah 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Down wind sail configuration

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Oh, Jazz. Not much of an Amel except the hull. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Aug 26, 2017 6:32 PM, "Ric Gottschalk ric@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Miles, I believe you purchased “Jazz”. As I recall it does not have the same lifelines & stanchions as Amel , no motorized Genoa furler, or the motorized main  and outhaul furler, it has new rigging, sails and possibly new mast, and  no  Amel struts or twin downwind poles. The engine and wiring  has also been replaced. My Santorin (46’) has twin slots with the Genoa  installed on the port luff and the ballooner (when used) is hauled on the strbd sluff.  My point is that many of the unique  Amel systems may not apply. It sounds like the former owner spent a bundle and you got a great deal. I am no expert on Amels but I am learning after 13 years how great my Santorin is. Has the former owner given you any history on the boat?

All the best,

Ric Gottschalk

Bali Hai SN24

Annapolis

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 5:26 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Down wind sail configuration

 

 

Ah yes I wasn't thinking straight. 

 Thanks Bill!

So I think I'll do as per my old boat and add a second removable forestay. Attachments Positioned as high up the mast as possible and as far fwd on deck as possible whilst leaving clearance for the furler. 

 

Perhaps this time I'll keep it really simple and have the stay as integral to the sail luff although a separate ss stay does give the option of setting a storm jib on the same wire if needed. 

 

Size of the sail would be quite a bit smaller than the furling genoa and of reasonable weight cloth. The idea here on my old boat was the non furling sail was small enough and strong enough to stay up in squalls

 

 

Alternatively does anyone know where the amel 3 luff grove system can be purchased?

 

Fair winds

 

Miles

Sea love

Maramu 46



On 18 Aug 2017, at 12:19, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

If you raise 2 headsails on one foil with 2 halyards, you will not be able to furl without dropping the additional (second) sail. 

 

Think about what will happen to the second halyard when furling. Amel's special swivel which allows you to secure the second sail and remove its halyard is the only solution. And, it requires 3 slots. The 3rd is for the "dehooker."


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

 

On Aug 18, 2017 4:35 AM, "smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hello again

The maramu 46 we have bought doesn't have the original furling system.

It has a recently added frofurl ndec 430

I pick up the boat on tues 😎 but believe it has a twin luff grove

So parhaps my only option will be to add a second genoa halyard and hoist the second sail on the second luff groove

That way least I'll be able to raise and lower each sail independently. 

The original mouse plus 3 luff groove system  looks brilliant !

I wonder if I could replace the foil and swivel?

Is this the kind of thing amel might still supply or does anyone know the manufacturer of the amel furling system?

Many thanks

Miles


On 17 Aug 2017, at 19:10, smiles bernard smilesbernard@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi there Bill

I dont have a manual I'm afraid 


All the best

M


On 16 Aug 2017, at 22:41, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Miles,

He best

Read your manual...it is very straightforward. Let me know if you do not have a manual.

 

 

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

 

 


Re: Bilge maitenance

Paul Osterberg
 

Besides being very careful in what's get down to the bilge, more or less do ass Bill describeds, in addition to that we have a ladies sock as a filter collecting remaining solids that might go down the bilge attached at the outlets in the bilge. Now and then we add a machine dish tablet dissolved in hot water. I't keeps the bilge rather clean. I will now also start to use bleach as others have advices.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM259