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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Turbo Rebuild
Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
Hello Paul,
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I had this issue twice on 2 different TMD22. In each case, the turbo was rebuilt as it was not seized badly. Make it a point to give your engine an Italian tune up often. I run the engine at least 30-40 minutes at near Max power every 10 hours or so. I make a note of it in the ship’s log too. When leaving the boat for a long period, remove the exhaust tube entirely and spray wd 40 into the turbo. With a small wooden piece, spin it. LEAVE THE EXHAUST OFF. The cause of the seizure is salt water condensation in the turbo. Your turbo is not Perkins. You have a Volvo and Volvo changed enough things to make you tear your hair out. Don’t ask…. Good luck Jean-Pierre Germain Eleuthera, SM007
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Turbo Rebuild
paul schofield <pwschofield@...>
Thank you Mark. The running high RPMs periodically is something I’ve always done on previous boats for the exact reason you mention. Wasn’t sure though if that practice was turbo related or over-all engine related.
The one internet source I’ve found which I haven’t verified through phone contact, is over $1800. Probably $2000 after tax and freight.
Still searching.
Paul
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From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 6:01 PM To: amelyachtowners@... Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Turbo Rebuild
Paul,
Do a Google search for a local shop that rebuilds turbos (are you in the USA?). If it is too badly corroded it will not be repairable and you will have to get a new one. Also, Try Google Maps for a local shop. You can talk to just about any marine or car mechanic for a reference to a shop. Or you can mail it to someone like: http://www.certifiedturbo.com/
Rebuilding is usually about half the price of a new one.
I would imagine the marine Volvo dealer will have your turbo in stock and can quote you a price. Prepare for a shock!
As to you last question, if you continue to always run the engine at low rpms you will slowly kill it. You will experience massive carbon buildup and the long term repair will be …. well…. you’ll be thinking about buying a new engine or a complete rebuild. Besides, your fuel economy will suck and we’ll all be able to see you because of the black smoke you are blowing out J
When making long runs under power at a continual speed, the engine should be taken to full power for one or two minutes every hour. This will blow out the carbon and keep your engine clean inside. This is probably in your engine manual.
Hope this helps
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Grenada www.creampuff.us
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hello everyone. Lately there has been a thread regarding RPMs. This is a problem that I've had with our Volvo since we purchased the boat a year ago. I had always feared it was the turbo since I never could hear that telltale turbo whine. Well today, my suspicions were confirmed. The turbo is seized solid.
So now I look at my options. My current web search doesn't seem to be yielding many sources, so I turn to the group to pick your collective brain.
Has anyone had any experience with or know someone who has rebuilt a turbo off of the TMD22? Is rebuilding a turbo economical?
Does anyone know a source for a new turbo?
And if you'll indulge me, I'll ask a third question that I'm sure will solicit some colorful comments. Let me preface the question with a couple observations. 1. Turbo chargers in a marine environment seem to have a lot of associated problems. 2. I've been running the boat this last year including motoring from Ft. Lauderdale to Brunswick, GA in a head sea, and the boat seems to run well and I can achieve 6+ knots with no problem except I cannot exceed 2000rpm.
So here's my questions. What is the downside to removing the turbo altogether, short of a few horsepower and a knot or two?
OK, putting on my Kevlar underwear.
Turbo part number reference: Perkins p/n 2674A120
Paul SM215 SV Trillium
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Turbo Rebuild
Paul,
Do a Google search for a local shop that rebuilds turbos (are you in the USA?). If it is too badly corroded it will not be repairable and you will have to get a new one. Also, Try Google Maps for a local shop. You can talk to just about any marine or car mechanic for a reference to a shop. Or you can mail it to someone like: http://www.certifiedturbo.com/
Rebuilding is usually about half the price of a new one.
I would imagine the marine Volvo dealer will have your turbo in stock and can quote you a price. Prepare for a shock!
As to you last question, if you continue to always run the engine at low rpms you will slowly kill it. You will experience massive carbon buildup and the long term repair will be …. well…. you’ll be thinking about buying a new engine or a complete rebuild. Besides, your fuel economy will suck and we’ll all be able to see you because of the black smoke you are blowing out J
When making long runs under power at a continual speed, the engine should be taken to full power for one or two minutes every hour. This will blow out the carbon and keep your engine clean inside. This is probably in your engine manual.
Hope this helps
With best regards,
Mark
Skipper Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275 Currently cruising - Grenada www.creampuff.us
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amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Hello everyone. Lately there has been a thread regarding RPMs. This is a problem that I've had with our Volvo since we purchased the boat a year ago. I had always feared it was the turbo since I never could hear that telltale turbo whine. Well today, my suspicions were confirmed. The turbo is seized solid.
So now I look at my options. My current web search doesn't seem to be yielding many sources, so I turn to the group to pick your collective brain.
Has anyone had any experience with or know someone who has rebuilt a turbo off of the TMD22? Is rebuilding a turbo economical?
Does anyone know a source for a new turbo?
And if you'll indulge me, I'll ask a third question that I'm sure will solicit some colorful comments. Let me preface the question with a couple observations. 1. Turbo chargers in a marine environment seem to have a lot of associated problems. 2. I've been running the boat this last year including motoring from Ft. Lauderdale to Brunswick, GA in a head sea, and the boat seems to run well and I can achieve 6+ knots with no problem except I cannot exceed 2000rpm.
So here's my questions. What is the downside to removing the turbo altogether, short of a few horsepower and a knot or two?
OK, putting on my Kevlar underwear.
Turbo part number reference: Perkins p/n 2674A120
Paul SM215 SV Trillium
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Turbo Rebuild
pwschofield@...
Hello everyone. Lately there has been a thread regarding RPMs. This is a problem that I've had with our Volvo since we purchased the boat a year ago. I had always feared it was the turbo since I never could hear that telltale turbo whine. Well today, my suspicions were confirmed. The turbo is seized solid. So now I look at my options. My current web search doesn't seem to be yielding many sources, so I turn to the group to pick your collective brain. Has anyone had any experience with or know someone who has rebuilt a turbo off of the TMD22? Is rebuilding a turbo economical? Does anyone know a source for a new turbo? And if you'll indulge me, I'll ask a third question that I'm sure will solicit some colorful comments. Let me preface the question with a couple observations. 1. Turbo chargers in a marine environment seem to have a lot of associated problems. 2. I've been running the boat this last year including motoring from Ft. Lauderdale to Brunswick, GA in a head sea, and the boat seems to run well and I can achieve 6+ knots with no problem except I cannot exceed 2000rpm. So here's my questions. What is the downside to removing the turbo altogether, short of a few horsepower and a knot or two? OK, putting on my Kevlar underwear. Turbo part number reference: Perkins p/n 2674A120 Paul SM215 SV Trillium
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Re: Raymarine or B&G
greatketch@...
Paul
I stayed with B&G brand instruments. I think it is important to remember that B&G is no longer the independent company doing it's own thing the way it used to be. For some time now it has been just one more brand in the Navico stable of products. It is the brand name used to sell to sailboat owners the same products that Lawrence sells to fisherman, and Simrad sells to powerboaters. Why I stayed with B&G: I was used to them. I had them on my old boat, and back when I made that selection, a long time ago, I felt that the B&G line was better suited to a cruising sailboat. The original equipment installed on any of the Super Marmus is dated enough that you really will have very little benefit in connecting them to a current Raymarine as opposed to another brand. In a modern network, pretty much everything talks on the same protocol, even if they use different plugs. On our boat we have a Raymarine AIS that came with the boat that we connected into our NMEA2000 network with a simple adapter, and the B&G MFD understands it just fine. With a little work, our original Autohelm works side by side with our new B&G AC42 autopilot, and they both share the use of either Raymarine drive. There are some things that Navico clearly does better, and some things that Raymarine does better. I am pretty sure either will work for anybody. A very few times I have had to use the Navico/B&G tech service to sort out a problem. Invariably, the knowledge of the phone support staff was truly exceptional. And that isn't something I say very often. Bill Kinney SM160, Harmonie Annapolis, MD ---In amelyachtowners@..., <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote : Hello! We thinking of replace the old B&G system, the ultrasonic speed sensor got smashed when we grounded. The B&G system is old and probably anyhow on the end of it's lifespan. We have a Raymarine plotter just two years old (The old Garmin was more user friendly) , we are very pleases with our old Autohelm Autopilot, but need redundancy so we will planning to install the Raymarine EV 400, and keep the two original drive units, keep the old control head and computes as spare. To us it make sense to use Raymarine i the rest of the instrumentation wind speed depth etc. Hopefully we do not need to adress his issues any more during our ownership of Kerpa, so we like to do the right thing. You who have this set up, which I guess there are a few, are you satisfied with the Raymarine equipment's? You who choose to stay with B&G what was the main reason for that? Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Mill Creek next stop St Michels
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Antigua November
VLADIMIR SONSEV
HI Mike, I plan to go to Hampton at the end of October and depart from there. I will be happy meeting you. Do you keep your boat in Rock Hall marina? Write me SONSEV52 on gml. Vladimir 202 258 1916
On Sep 19, 2017 04:52, "Mike Ondra mdondra@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel sharki
smiles bernard
Thanks for this really helpful info Roger On my old boat (30ft!) I installed a removable inner forestay and used a hank on 80% gib on that poled out to windward It worked a treat but I do like the idea of the system you describe. How big is the sail on the facnor compared to the main genoa? Do you use a dyneema halyard? Do you attach to the bow roller? Many thanks in advance for any info All the best Miles
On 19 Sep 2017, at 16:50, hanoah64@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Iridium Go Feedback
Porter McRoberts
Completely agree. Used outside external antenna fine but inside use an external. We connected with an adaptor to the existing iridium satellite phone antenna. That said. It usually takes 2-4 attempts to get a good connection. Voice calls scratchy and I'd say we achieve 50% information penetrance. Does anyone else have similar experiences? Texting highly effective and reliable. Always appreciated Porter McRoberts
On Sep 19, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Amel sharki
hanoah64@...
Miles,
We should also mention the Mizzen Stay Sail. If you are heading not dead down wind, but, off a little, (with or without pole), and the jib is setting nicely, but the main sail blocks the jib. This is when you furl the main and set the MSS. The MSS is a great sail, when you are off the wind does not block the jib, and can be set and taken down from the cockpit. Flying the genoa together with the MSS is like sailing with two jibs. Really fun. Cheers, Roger
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Swivel head
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi Allan, as I said since then I have been told that. However the unit never failed again so it did no harm and it would seem the grease stopped the salt penetrating again. BUT the expert advice is no grease. Regards Danny
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Tangier Marina
Ron Hynes <riffhynes@...>
I stayed there in May. Surprised new marina is still not open as it looked just about ready in May. As most everywhere around the Med, the swell can get " interesting" . Naturally, it all depends on the direction it's running. The pilot books are very helpful. Be prepared and patient with bureaucracy beyond what I doubt you've ever experienced before . It's all in how you react . We thought it was funny and were constantly giggling . Another cruiser rafte d along side us resisted the authorities at every turn and was told to leave. It seems the two major authorities, the police and customs are each vying to be most important. We had a minor engine problem and decided to stay another night. Fine said the police captain who I had some rapport with. An hour or so later, the chunky little customs guy is doing his rounds and spots us and goes non-linear. You must come with me immediately to my office that was at least a quarter of a mile away . Once there he shuffled papers for 10 minutes or so then tells me he is going to hold the ships registration papers and that I must return at 0900 to get stamped out and get my papers returned. Naturally, at 0900 there were no customs officials to deal with, so in desperation I went to the police captain who personally escorted me through the unfathomable procedure. We had perhaps a half hour together and he told me of their plans to make Tanger a cruising destination with their new marina and the commercial development planned for the area. In turn I tried to politely tell him the entire check in process needs to be revamped as most cruisers aren't going to spend 90 minutes or so processing. But t hey just don't get it! He said its very difficult to control smuggling, etc. without the procedures they follow. I asked if they intended to move their offices as the new marina is even further. He said no; boat captains would simply have to go further! All in all, we enjoyed ourselves immensely. Wandering around the old city and the Kasbah is an experience. I enjoyed the food and the night time views were spectacular. One of my all-time cruising highlights! Fuel is even less expensive than Gibraltar although it has to be "arranged" for delivery through a middle man. We were moored along side a commercial wharf and I sustained some damage to my rubbing strake from an iron ladder I hadn't adequately fendered. There is no electric or water. We paid 25 Euros per might but I think this was negotiable. My advice...don't miss it! Ron Hynes
On Sep 19, 2017, at 2:06 PM, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory.
Alexandre Uster von Baar
Good morning Vladimir,
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Lost power last night, I think this is from the little wind we had from Hurricane Marina, probably a short somewhere in the lines… so running on generator and little time to reply… Thanks for offering, but I am good, I have everything. But thanks very much for offering!!! Alexandre --------------------------------------------
On Tue, 9/19/17, Vladimir Sonsev sonsev52@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory. To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2017, 2:15 AM Alex, As it stands now, we plan sailing trip to Antigua in November with Salty Dawg s If it goes forward we can bring something to you from US take you to Antigua. You can contact me sonsev52 that is gml. SM 345 "LIFE IS GOOD" Vladimir Sonsev Tel/Text: 202 258 1916 On Sep 18, 2017 8:26 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Good morning Paul, Thank you for your email. I think Hurricane Maria is too far from Sint Maarten to have any effect, but I feel for Dominica and may be south of Guadeloupe. I have LOTS of spare parts. The only things I did not save were the rudder zinc because of their weight/price ratio and the water maker filter because of their volume/price ratio. Once I am done replying all the encouragement message I received on Facebook (Amel NIKIMAT) and post of the hurricane preparation and evacuation, I will start to take pictures and describe what I have. Hope we meet and glad you are safe in Grenada! Sincerely, Alexandre ------------------------------ -------------- On Sun, 9/17/17, pstas2003 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory. To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 9:25 PM Alex, Glad to hear things are getting better for you. Hoping that Maria will turn out to be a dud. I know I am late to the party but I would be very interested in taking that domestic water pump off your hands should things with prior inquiries fail to come to fruition. I would also like to let you know that I would be interested in any other spares you may be looking to dispose of. All the best, Paul Stascavage SM #466 - s/v Rita Kathryn Cruising Grenada www.RitaKathryn.com
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Re: Genacker
David
That will give approx 17 m, and with a foot of 12.5 m gives a sail area of 95 Sqm. looks big in length but rather small in area, but does 95 sqm looks reasonable for a genacker or asymmetrical spinnacker as i think it's also called. for a SM? Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Raymarine or B&G
Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
Hi Paul,
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My boat is older than yours and I did exactly as you plan… -A98 at the helm -A75 at NAV station -AIS 650 - 12KW 78NM range radar SHD - Sonar. - Tridata - 3 X i70’s at helm… you can get away with two. I over did it... Add the ancillaries for the installation. Being in the US, your costs will be less than mine… DO IT! :-) Jean-Pierre Germain SY Eleuthera, SM 007
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Re: Amel sharki
hanoah64@...
Miles,
In really light air, say less than 10 knots, I may set both poles and use only one head sail, jibbing back and forth as conditions require. The pole is just there to keep the from completely collapsing in the swells. I went around the world with the solar panels on the rail, with braces beneath. It would be nice not to have the panels sticking out, but, I have not come up with another option. Cheers, Roger
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Raymarine or B&G
Hello! We thinking of replace the old B&G system, the ultrasonic speed sensor got smashed when we grounded. The B&G system is old and probably anyhow on the end of it's lifespan. We have a Raymarine plotter just two years old (The old Garmin was more user friendly) , we are very pleases with our old Autohelm Autopilot, but need redundancy so we will planning to install the Raymarine EV 400, and keep the two original drive units, keep the old control head and computes as spare. To us it make sense to use Raymarine i the rest of the instrumentation wind speed depth etc. Hopefully we do not need to adress his issues any more during our ownership of Kerpa, so we like to do the right thing. You who have this set up, which I guess there are a few, are you satisfied with the Raymarine equipment's? You who choose to stay with B&G what was the main reason for that? Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259 Mill Creek next stop St Michels
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Amel sharki
hanoah64@...
Hi Miles,
The Sharki was intended to fly twin head sails off the same furler extrusion. I didn't like that approach so I set up a Facnor Code Zero type furler in front of my main Profurl furler. This allowed me fly twin head sails poled out...and the option of furling just one. I had a light weight sail made in South Africa that works well on the Facnor. In the video the pole that's set up,....well, I probaly jibbed earlier and didn't bother taking it down. When a squall comes up the Facnor sail, in its furled configuration needs to be lowered to the deck. This requires going forward, lowering the Spectra halyard and securing the furled sail on deck. If you leave the Facnor up in an intense squall, even with the doubled Spectra halyard as tight as possible, the unit will surge back and forth like it wants to take down your rig. Can be worrying. If I run the risk of getting exhausted some times I ignore the poles and just fall off a few degrees. Also, I use the Hydrovane exclusively, and have broached under twin head sails. So when it blows hard I am just as happy with a single jib, furled so nothing is chafing, and just off the wind enough so the vane can handle it. Roger
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Iridium Go Feedback
Stephen Davis
We have used the Iridium Go for about 2 years, and love it. Connections are fairly reliable with the external antenna, but a bit frustrating without it. Spend the extra $300 for the external antenna, and you will be happy you did. Regards, Aloha SM72 Santa Marta, Columbia
On Sep 19, 2017, at 09:29, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Olivier Beaute'
Hello! I will have Olivier Beaute' survey the damage after our grounding this summer. I have agree with our insurance company to use Oliver I'm very pleased with that (I have to pay some of the traveling expenses I think that is fare) We have not set the exact date yet, but around 20th of October, place Georgetown Sassafras River. So now it's an opportunity if anyone have the need of Olivier services in the area around, he can stay a day or two extra. in that case we can share the remaining traveling costs. Please let me know (sykerpa at gmail dot com) Paul on SY Kerpa SM#259
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Iridium Go Feedback
Thomas & Soraya
We have used our IGo a year now, we bought the external antenna and are very pleased with it. The smal cable between the Device and antenna cable brook and we needed a new so for a while we were with out external antenna. and I would say it's worth the extra effort to install. We made a very crude installation just took a piece of rubber house around the back and fasten the antenna with a hose clip. took less than 5 minutes, we did use the old antenna cable for our very old Satellit phone so did not need to install a new antenna cable worked perfect now for over a year Paul on SYKerpa SM#259.
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