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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Life Raft...NOT Winslow

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve,

I am really grateful for this posting. I have always regarded Winslow very high but never owned one. It is important for all of us to make decisions based on where we intend to travel. With an Amel, the destination choices are worldwide. Anything we rely on in our travels must also be serviceable worldwide, or at least to our planned destinations.

Earlier today, I had a client ask me what is the best liferaft. I told him I thought Winslow was. When I finish writing this email, I am going to write him again with a copy of your posting.

Thanks!!!

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970


On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 1:51 PM, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We have an old 6 man Winslow raft packed in a Pelican case on Aloha. They are great rafts, and lighter than most of them by a substantial margin. Unfortunately, ours was way overdue for repacking, and we discovered it would be at least $1100, for a Winslow certified station to do the the re-pack, and that would only be good for a year. Problem 2...If you are not in the USA, good luck on finding a certified re-packing station. We were in the Caribbean, and would of had to backtrack to St Thomas, USVI to get ours packed. The next available place after the Caribbean for us was New Zealand. Bottom line, it is very difficult to get a Winslow raft re-packed if you are traveling around the globe.

We decided to purchase a top of the line Plastimo 6 person in a valise pack while in St Maarten for 1680 euros. The same raft in West Marine is $3400.00. For us, this choice was a no brainer, and the certification on the new raft is good for 3 years. While obtaining a raft in St Maa rten is not likely to happen, I believe Martinique has similar prices.

The old Winslow still looks like new since it was stored in the air tight Pelican case, and we intend to pop it in Shelter Bay Marina, Panama in January prior to our canal transit. We thought we could gather all the cruisers interested, and have an in the water life raft training day. If anyone plans to be there in that time frame, you are invited.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Santa Marta, Columbia




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Life Raft

amelforme
 

Do not give anyone an out of service life raft if there is any possibility they might ever use it in a rescue situation. Plaintiffs lawyers would clean you out to your last cuff link if it didn’t inflate.

 

In 40 years of selling cruising sailing yachts, I have been trusted to ‘dispose’ of elderly out of service rafts on numerous occasions. Often would give to the Sea Scouts for demonstration s. Most inflated, two did not even begin to inflate, and one that had been thermally cycled a zillion times due to on deck storage inflated and promptly came apart at the seams. It was a Switlik, not quite ten years old.

 

Pretty sobering.

 

I like the three year service schedule/packed in nitrogen units that are stowed below decks when not underway.

 

Always step up when entering a life raft.

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 2:59 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Life Raft

 

 

Hmmm, that's a good idea about popping it for a learning experience, Steve.  I've been wondering what I should do with my old one.  I'm sure it's still good, but hate to give one away that can't be serviced.  Was considering giving it to one of the watermen on the Bay.  Anybody have any other thoughts on that subject?

Kent

SM243

Kristy

 


From: "flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 2:52 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Life Raft

 

 

We have an old 6 man Winslow raft packed in a Pelican case on Aloha. They are great rafts, and lighter than most of them by a substantial margin. Unfortunately, ours was way overdue for repacking, and we discovered it would be at least $1100, for a Winslow certified station to do the the re-pack, and that would only be good for a year. Problem 2...If you are not in the USA, good luck on finding a certified re-packing station. We were in the Caribbean, and would of had to backtrack to St Thomas, USVI to get ours packed. The next available place after the Caribbean for us was New Zealand. Bottom line, it is very difficult to get a Winslow raft re-packed if you are traveling around the globe.

We decided to purchase a top of the line Plastimo 6 person in a valise pack while in St Maarten for 1680 euros. The same raft in West Marine is $3400.00. For us, this choice was a no brainer, and the certification on the new raft is good for 3 years. While obtaining a raft in St Maarten is not likely to happen, I believe Martinique has similar prices.

The old Winslow still looks like new since it was stored in the air tight Pelican case, and we intend to pop it in Shelter Bay Marina, Panama in January prior to our canal transit. We thought we could gather all the cruisers interested, and have an in the water life raft training day. If anyone plans to be there in that time frame, you are invited.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Santa Marta, Columbia

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Frigoboat not cooling enough

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Duane,

1.) Thermostat or control box stopping the compressor to early. Does anyone disagree with the lady at CCC that the thermostat failure always causes the compressor to not start? Yes, I absolutely disagree, assuming that you have the original OEM mechanical thermostat.

Since the thermostat controls how long the compressor runs and since the compressor is turning OFF, why don't you jump the thermostat terminals where they connect and see if you can get the fridge cold enough. 

BUT, my big question is how cold enough satisfies you? I do not think that the fridge will get any colder than 40F.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970




On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 1:59 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Our Frigoboat refrigerator does not get below 48d F.  Any ideas for repairs please let me know.  Here's what I know so far:

  1. First we defrosted the refrigerator. We pulled it out and vacuumed the Condenser Coil, and replaced the filters, which were jam packed with dust. We reinstalled the frig under the counter, hooked it up and the entire evaporator plate was covered with frost quickly.

  2. There is no frost on the refrigerant lines after the evaporator plate.

  3. Between 1 & 2, per Coastal Climate, one can assume a proper refrigerant charge.

  4. The condenser coil fan is running.

  5. I've checked the front door seal with the “Dollar Bill” test and it seems tight. I also checked with an infrared thermometer and there are no cold spots.

  6. The compressor starts and stops. After running for perhaps 15 minutes, it got to 116dF on the surface of the compressor. That seemed warm but then it's a compressor.  The box temperature was still 48dF after the compressor stopped.

  7. This unit does have the “Master” control box (http://veco-na.com/images/Frigoboat_Master_Control_Box.pdf) connected to the standard Danfoss controller. It's set on 3.0 for compressor speed.

  8. I checked all the connections in the refrigerant lines and there is no oil leakage.

  9. I've been told that the thermostat is not the original, but it appears to be correctly installed. Coastal Climate Control told me that if the thermometer fails, it will not turn on the compressor so that's probably not it...

  10. The CCC diagnostic flow chart recommends a compressor suction test, but there isn't anyone in Brunswick GA/environs that is interested in doing that work.

  11. The only thing I'm left with is a capilary tube blockage or water in the refrigerant line freezing up, but then why would the evap plate frost up nicely?

  12. Since the compressor starts and runs and stops again, It must be something that keeps the compressor from cooling sufficiently. It could be:

    1. Thermostat or control box stopping the compressor to early. Does anyone disagree with the lady at CCC that the thermostat failure always causes the compressor to not start?

    2. Cap tube partially blocked creating a temperature/pressure differential reducing the evaporator temperature.


Any great ideas?


I'm just about to follow Mark (Cream Puff's) solution and just replace the guts of the refrigerator (compressor, evaporator, etc). If Mark reads this maybe he'll share his parts list?


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Recommendations on life raft

hanspeter baettig
 

To all Ameliens
very good questions about handling rescure raft.
Some input from my side.
As a certificated rescure trainer I traind my students in different environments.
But first of all: Hopefully we never will encounter to enter the life raft, because we all own a safe and solide boat. Remeber the boat is stronger then you think.
1. When we have to abandon the boat, it will blast > 30 kn, big wafes, rain and night 😬
Often when the raft is put in the sea, inflated suddenly, its happen the raft is upside down.
We traind it with fully monture, Lifebelt, Boots, Watertight sailing anorak etc. To swimm it is not easy.
Even for a sportiv and healty man like me its challenging enter the raft. If the raft is capsized you have to turn it like when you capzised with a dinghy. For older peopel its really a challange.
We did curses in a swingpool and in the sea (light weather)
My sugestion is:
make once this survival training incl.
fire the rescure rockets, fire fighting etc.
Its worse all the money and you will be surprised.
But again, hopefully we will never need our life raft.
To Mark
your mentioned a 4 person life raft.
You would be very surprised to see how tinny a 4 pax liferaft is.
On Tamango I carry a 8 pax liferaft, ok its 45 kg , stored in the life raft  locker (SM)
but if you need it you will have enough adrenalin to put it out.
save sailing to all ameliens
Hanspeter
Tamango 2
back from Algeri , now in Palma de Mallorca

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 28.09.2017 um 18:55 schrieb 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>:

 

James,

 

I will echo Bill’s comment but stress the repack issue. We inherited our Viking 4 person raft when we purchased Cream Puff. Each time we have had it recertified we are hit with an added “age charge”. The older the raft, the more expensive it is to repack. I think this is a scam to try to put the raft out of commission by making it cost prohibitive to repack. During our last repack we had to wait 8 weeks for Viking to deliver an inside light at a cost that would make you think it was built for the military. The company doing the repack was contracted with Viking so they could not use a substitute light. Only Viking’s stuff can go in a Viking raft.

 

I read an old article in Practical Sailor where they took rafts that were in date, had been repacked and were donated for the test. Of the 8 rafts they pulled the string on, only 5 inflated. The remaining 3 did not inflate because of human errors made while repacking. Two of them still had safety pins in the gas canister that should have been removed. Their recommendation was to watch while your raft is being serviced and repacked. The also recommended asking for a copy of the procedure and following the checklist as the work is performed.

 

When at the St. Petersburg Boat Show in Florida, I talked to a Viking Certified Company about letting me watch. I was talking to the owner of a private company dealing Viking rafts. The coporate Viking marketing person overheard our conversation from across the booth. She came over and jumped down my throat. She was incredibly rude. She ranted and raved about how Viking dealers were not allowed to have customers in the work area. She went on and on about how well they are trained and how I would cause a distraction. I told her about the article in Practical Sailor and when I said Viking was one of the rafts that did not inflate she went nuts on me. She got really angry. Cindy left. I followed Cindy wondering why Viking would let a person like this out in public. Later, the guy we were talking to called me and apologized. He told me I was welcome to watch the procedure and we set up an appointment. While I was in his shop watching the work being performed (not touching anything and not being a distraction), I noticed a representative from the USCG doing the same thing. His company did all the rafts for Coast Guard vessels in Florida. I felt good about the work being done correctly. He packed a multitude of brands and also sold flares etc. His prices on parachute flares were ½ the price of West Marine. He later told me that Viking was the most difficult manufacture to deal with and had unrealistic demands of their partners.

 

Needles to say, when we eventually replace our raft, it’ll not be with a Viking.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:09 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Recommendations on life raft

 

 

Of course the oldest joke in the marine business is you never see an unhappy liferaft customer...

 

Some things to look at:  

 

Does it fit where you want to put it?  Most people use the designed life raft locker on the Amel SM to hold a valise style life raft pack, although other places are possible. 

 

What is the required service interval?  Some rafts are still using a 1 year repack, and that gets really expensive, and also very much a hassle to find someone reliable if you are cruising more remote areas.

 

Talk to someone who runs a repack shop about what they would recommend.  They are the people with WAY more hands on experience with liferafts than anyone else.

 

I do not have anything magic to say about the individual brands, other than it was a real help to see them inflated at the boat show and imagine trying to transfer from the big boat to that tiny pod in a running sea... some were WAY easier than others.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, Maryland

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello everyone - 

Though this is not Amel specific, I would like to ask the group for recommendations regarding what you all would consider the best life raft for off-shore sailing.  This would be for an Amel SM2000, and ideally a 6 or 8 person life raft.  

Perhaps there is one that fits best on the boat, and perhaps you could share any good or bad experience with the ones that you have had.  

I appreciate any feedback...

 

-James (hopefully a new Amel SM owner in the very near future)

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Life Raft

Stephen Davis
 

See you there!

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Sep 28, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Obviously, I’ll attend as I plan XMAS aboard in Shelter Bay.


See you guys soon.

JPG



On 28 Sep 2017, at 14:51, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

We have an old 6 man Winslow raft packed in a Pelican case on Aloha. They are great rafts, and lighter than most of them by a substantial margin. Unfortunately, ours was way overdue for repacking, and we discovered it would be at least $1100, for a Winslow certified station to do the the re-pack, and that would only be good for a year. Problem 2...If you are not in the USA, good luck on finding a certified re-packing station. We were in the Caribbean, and would of had to backtrack to St Thomas, USVI to get ours packed. The next available place after the Caribbean for us was New Zealand. Bottom line, it is very difficult to get a Winslow raft re-packed if you are traveling around the globe.

We decided to purchase a top of the line Plastimo 6 person in a valise pack while in St Maarten for 1680 euros. The same raft in West Marine is $3400.00. For us, this choice was a no brainer, and the certification on the new raft is good for 3 years. While obtaining a raft in St Maarten is not likely to happen, I believe Martinique has similar prices.

The old Winslow still looks like new since it was stored in the air tight Pelican case, and we intend to pop it in Shelter Bay Marina, Panama in January prior to our canal transit. We thought we could gather all the cruisers interested, and have an in the water life raft training day. If anyone plans to be there in that time frame, you are invited.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Santa Marta, Columbia





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommendations on life raft

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi,

I did an advanced sea survival course with the New Zealand Coastguard. It ran over two days and as part of it we went to a wave pool to experience inflating and boarding a life raft. The wave pool was agitated but would be pretty tame compared to a storm situation. It was a six man raft so six of us jumped into the pool after the raft was inflated. Entry was not easy with the raft bouncing around.Any one movement impaired would find it hard and the first in had to help the others in.We were all strong agile men. There was inches of water in it by the time we were aboard and the six men were packed like sardines in a can. We fitted but shoulder to shoulder and hip to hip. 

There was one very important thing we learned a life raft is a last resort. Not one of us would want to subject ourselves to that if we could avoid it. The rule is: you dont climb down into your raft, you climb up into it. ie. if your boat is floating stay with the boat. Coast Guard told us most yachts abandoned at sea are found floating later. Another warning. In a storm dont deploy the raft early in case you need it and leave it bouncing around on its tether, we were told they spin around over and over and often break free and go gaily away bouncing over the waves. Of course we are talking about storm conditions here. Thought this may be helpful information provided to us by the NZ coast guard

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

On 29 September 2017 at 04:07 "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi James.  I just purchased a Winslow 6 man offshore raft.  My 18 year old one was still in good shape a few years ago, but they won't recertify it again.  Fortunately, I have never had occasion to use the old one, so can't comment on it's efficacy.  The new one is in a soft valise and is lighter weight (still 70lbs) and a smaller package than the old one.  I keep it in the port deck locker except when I am on a passage, in which case I lash it to the aft cabin top.  I chose not to have a permanently mounted hard case because I like the decks clear of obstructions when I'm not at sea.  The new one will give me a bit more room in the locker for extra fuel.

It would be nice to see them in action (at a boat show?), see how hard it is to get aboard, etc.  Without that in-person look, I just chose what appeared to be a well equipped, stable looking raft.  I also have a well equipped ditch bag with extra EPIRB, VHF, flares, hand-pump desalinator, food, etc.  My sat phone and InReach will go into it in a pelican case.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Currently St Michaels, MD


 


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Life Raft

Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
 

In terms of getting rid of an old life raft, we found a local dive center that works with training airline crews and were able to use their pool facility to launch our old Zodiac and run through a number of drills with our young girls. It was really helpful and at the end of the day, the dive center was happy to hold on to our inflated raft for training purposes. 

Steve Morrison
SM380 TouRai
Brunswick, GA


On Sep 28, 2017, at 3:00 PM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Obviously, I’ll attend as I plan XMAS aboard in Shelter Bay.


See you guys soon.

JPG



On 28 Sep 2017, at 14:51, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

We have an old 6 man Winslow raft packed in a Pelican case on Aloha. They are great rafts, and lighter than most of them by a substantial margin. Unfortunately, ours was way overdue for repacking, and we discovered it would be at least $1100, for a Winslow certified station to do the the re-pack, and that would only be good for a year. Problem 2...If you are not in the USA, good luck on finding a certified re-packing station. We were in the Caribbean, and would of had to backtrack to St Thomas, USVI to get ours packed. The next available place after the Caribbean for us was New Zealand. Bottom line, it is very difficult to get a Winslow raft re-packed if you are traveling around the globe.

We decided to purchase a top of the line Plastimo 6 person in a valise pack while in St Maarten for 1680 euros. The same raft in West Marine is $3400.00. For us, this choice was a no brainer, and the certification on the new raft is good for 3 years. While obtaining a raft in St Maarten is not likely to happen, I believe Martinique has similar prices.

The old Winslow still looks like new since it was stored in the air tight Pelican case, and we intend to pop it in Shelter Bay Marina, Panama in January prior to our canal transit. We thought we could gather all the cruisers interested, and have an in the water life raft training day. If anyone plans to be there in that time frame, you are invited.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Santa Marta, Columbia





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Life Raft

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Obviously, I’ll attend as I plan XMAS aboard in Shelter Bay.

See you guys soon.

JPG



On 28 Sep 2017, at 14:51, flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

We have an old 6 man Winslow raft packed in a Pelican case on Aloha. They are great rafts, and lighter than most of them by a substantial margin. Unfortunately, ours was way overdue for repacking, and we discovered it would be at least $1100, for a Winslow certified station to do the the re-pack, and that would only be good for a year. Problem 2...If you are not in the USA, good luck on finding a certified re-packing station. We were in the Caribbean, and would of had to backtrack to St Thomas, USVI to get ours packed. The next available place after the Caribbean for us was New Zealand. Bottom line, it is very difficult to get a Winslow raft re-packed if you are traveling around the globe.

We decided to purchase a top of the line Plastimo 6 person in a valise pack while in St Maarten for 1680 euros. The same raft in West Marine is $3400.00. For us, this choice was a no brainer, and the certification on the new raft is good for 3 years. While obtaining a raft in St Maarten is not likely to happen, I believe Martinique has similar prices.

The old Winslow still looks like new since it was stored in the air tight Pelican case, and we intend to pop it in Shelter Bay Marina, Panama in January prior to our canal transit. We thought we could gather all the cruisers interested, and have an in the water life raft training day. If anyone plans to be there in that time frame, you are invited.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Santa Marta, Columbia





Frigoboat not cooling enough

Duane Siegfri
 

Our Frigoboat refrigerator does not get below 48d F.  Any ideas for repairs please let me know.  Here's what I know so far:

  1. First we defrosted the refrigerator. We pulled it out and vacuumed the Condenser Coil, and replaced the filters, which were jam packed with dust. We reinstalled the frig under the counter, hooked it up and the entire evaporator plate was covered with frost quickly.

  2. There is no frost on the refrigerant lines after the evaporator plate.

  3. Between 1 & 2, per Coastal Climate, one can assume a proper refrigerant charge.

  4. The condenser coil fan is running.

  5. I've checked the front door seal with the “Dollar Bill” test and it seems tight. I also checked with an infrared thermometer and there are no cold spots.

  6. The compressor starts and stops. After running for perhaps 15 minutes, it got to 116dF on the surface of the compressor. That seemed warm but then it's a compressor.  The box temperature was still 48dF after the compressor stopped.

  7. This unit does have the “Master” control box (http://veco-na.com/images/Frigoboat_Master_Control_Box.pdf) connected to the standard Danfoss controller. It's set on 3.0 for compressor speed.

  8. I checked all the connections in the refrigerant lines and there is no oil leakage.

  9. I've been told that the thermostat is not the original, but it appears to be correctly installed. Coastal Climate Control told me that if the thermometer fails, it will not turn on the compressor so that's probably not it...

  10. The CCC diagnostic flow chart recommends a compressor suction test, but there isn't anyone in Brunswick GA/environs that is interested in doing that work.

  11. The only thing I'm left with is a capilary tube blockage or water in the refrigerant line freezing up, but then why would the evap plate frost up nicely?

  12. Since the compressor starts and runs and stops again, It must be something that keeps the compressor from cooling sufficiently. It could be:

    1. Thermostat or control box stopping the compressor to early. Does anyone disagree with the lady at CCC that the thermostat failure always causes the compressor to not start?

    2. Cap tube partially blocked creating a temperature/pressure differential reducing the evaporator temperature.


Any great ideas?


I'm just about to follow Mark (Cream Puff's) solution and just replace the guts of the refrigerator (compressor, evaporator, etc). If Mark reads this maybe he'll share his parts list?


Thanks,

Duane

Wanderer, SM#477



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Life Raft

karkauai
 

Hmmm, that's a good idea about popping it for a learning experience, Steve.  I've been wondering what I should do with my old one.  I'm sure it's still good, but hate to give one away that can't be serviced.  Was considering giving it to one of the watermen on the Bay.  Anybody have any other thoughts on that subject?
Kent
SM243
Kristy



From: "flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 2:52 PM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Life Raft

 
We have an old 6 man Winslow raft packed in a Pelican case on Aloha. They are great rafts, and lighter than most of them by a substantial margin. Unfortunately, ours was way overdue for repacking, and we discovered it would be at least $1100, for a Winslow certified station to do the the re-pack, and that would only be good for a year. Problem 2...If you are not in the USA, good luck on finding a certified re-packing station. We were in the Caribbean, and would of had to backtrack to St Thomas, USVI to get ours packed. The next available place after the Caribbean for us was New Zealand. Bottom line, it is very difficult to get a Winslow raft re-packed if you are traveling around the globe.

We decided to purchase a top of the line Plastimo 6 person in a valise pack while in St Maarten for 1680 euros. The same raft in West Marine is $3400.00. For us, this choice was a no brainer, and the certification on the new raft is good for 3 years. While obtaining a raft in St Maarten is not likely to happen, I believe Martinique has similar prices.

The old Winslow still looks like new since it was stored in the air tight Pelican case, and we intend to pop it in Shelter Bay Marina, Panama in January prior to our canal transit. We thought we could gather all the cruisers interested, and have an in the water life raft training day. If anyone plans to be there in that time frame, you are invited.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Santa Marta, Columbia




Life Raft

Stephen Davis
 

We have an old 6 man Winslow raft packed in a Pelican case on Aloha. They are great rafts, and lighter than most of them by a substantial margin. Unfortunately, ours was way overdue for repacking, and we discovered it would be at least $1100, for a Winslow certified station to do the the re-pack, and that would only be good for a year. Problem 2...If you are not in the USA, good luck on finding a certified re-packing station. We were in the Caribbean, and would of had to backtrack to St Thomas, USVI to get ours packed. The next available place after the Caribbean for us was New Zealand. Bottom line, it is very difficult to get a Winslow raft re-packed if you are traveling around the globe.

We decided to purchase a top of the line Plastimo 6 person in a valise pack while in St Maarten for 1680 euros. The same raft in West Marine is $3400.00. For us, this choice was a no brainer, and the certification on the new raft is good for 3 years. While obtaining a raft in St Maarten is not likely to happen, I believe Martinique has similar prices.

The old Winslow still looks like new since it was stored in the air tight Pelican case, and we intend to pop it in Shelter Bay Marina, Panama in January prior to our canal transit. We thought we could gather all the cruisers interested, and have an in the water life raft training day. If anyone plans to be there in that time frame, you are invited.

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Santa Marta, Columbia



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Recommendations on life raft

Peter Forbes
 


Well we have a Viking liferaft but after hearing that from Mark on Cream Puff I am now rather doubtful. Mine is Solas A and has only a 12 month between service each time. Last Christmas it was serviced in Cape Town - they did not let my witness the service as they could  not give me a firm satisfactory date. I was time limited in Cape Town so had little option but to trust them.

Next lift raft probably won't be Viking!

Peter
Peter Forbes
Amel 54 #035 in Grenada
00447836 209730

On 28 Sep 2017, at 17:55, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

James,

 

I will echo Bill’s comment but stress the repack issue. We inherited our Viking 4 person raft when we purchased Cream Puff. Each time we have had it recertified we are hit with an added “age charge”. The older the raft, the more expensive it is to repack. I think this is a scam to try to put the raft out of commission by making it cost prohibitive to repack. During our last repack we had to wait 8 weeks for Viking to deliver an inside light at a cost that would make you think it was built for the military. The company doing the repack was contracted with Viking so they could not use a substitute light. Only Viking’s stuff can go in a Viking raft.

 

I read an old article in Practical Sailor where they took rafts that were in date, had been repacked and were donated for the test. Of the 8 rafts they pulled the string on, only 5 inflated. The remaining 3 did not inflate because of human errors made while repacking. Two of them still had safety pins in the gas canister that should have been removed. Their recommendation was to watch while your raft is being serviced and repacked. The also recommended asking for a copy of the procedure and following the checklist as the work is performed.

 

When at the St. Petersburg Boat Show in Florida, I talked to a Viking Certified Company about letting me watch. I was talking to the owner of a private company dealing Viking rafts. The coporate Viking marketing person overheard our conversation from across the booth. She came over and jumped down my throat. She was incredibly rude. She ranted and raved about how Viking dealers were not allowed to have customers in the work area. She went on and on about how well they are trained and how I would cause a distraction. I told her about the article in Practical Sailor and when I said Viking was one of the rafts that did not inflate she went nuts on me. She got really angry. Cindy left. I followed Cindy wondering why Viking would let a person like this out in public. Later, the guy we were talking to called me and apologized. He told me I was welcome to watch the procedure and we set up an appointment. While I was in his shop watching the work being performed (not touching anything and not being a distraction), I noticed a representative from the USCG doing the same thing. His company did all the rafts for Coast Guard vessels in Florida. I felt good about the work being done correctly. He packed a multitude of brands and also sold flares etc. His prices on parachute flares were ½ the price of West Marine. He later told me that Viking was the most difficult manufacture to deal with and had unrealistic demands of their partners.

 

Needles to say, when we eventually replace our raft, it’ll not be with a Viking.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:09 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Recommendations on life raft

 

 

Of course the oldest joke in the marine business is you never see an unhappy liferaft customer...

 

Some things to look at:  

 

Does it fit where you want to put it?  Most people use the designed life raft locker on the Amel SM to hold a valise style life raft pack, although other places are possible. 

 

What is the required service interval?  Some rafts are still using a 1 year repack, and that gets really expensive, and also very much a hassle to find someone reliable if you are cruising more remote areas.

 

Talk to someone who runs a repack shop about what they would recommend.  They are the people with WAY more hands on experience with liferafts than anyone else.

 

I do not have anything magic to say about the individual brands, other than it was a real help to see them inflated at the boat show and imagine trying to transfer from the big boat to that tiny pod in a running sea... some were WAY easier than others.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, Maryland

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello everyone - 

Though this is not Amel specific, I would like to ask the group for recommendations regarding what you all would consider the best life raft for off-shore sailing.  This would be for an Amel SM2000, and ideally a 6 or 8 person life raft.  

Perhaps there is one that fits best on the boat, and perhaps you could share any good or bad experience with the ones that you have had.  

I appreciate any feedback...

 

-James (hopefully a new Amel SM owner in the very near future)

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Recommendations on life raft

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

I will echo Bill’s comment but stress the repack issue. We inherited our Viking 4 person raft when we purchased Cream Puff. Each time we have had it recertified we are hit with an added “age charge”. The older the raft, the more expensive it is to repack. I think this is a scam to try to put the raft out of commission by making it cost prohibitive to repack. During our last repack we had to wait 8 weeks for Viking to deliver an inside light at a cost that would make you think it was built for the military. The company doing the repack was contracted with Viking so they could not use a substitute light. Only Viking’s stuff can go in a Viking raft.

 

I read an old article in Practical Sailor where they took rafts that were in date, had been repacked and were donated for the test. Of the 8 rafts they pulled the string on, only 5 inflated. The remaining 3 did not inflate because of human errors made while repacking. Two of them still had safety pins in the gas canister that should have been removed. Their recommendation was to watch while your raft is being serviced and repacked. The also recommended asking for a copy of the procedure and following the checklist as the work is performed.

 

When at the St. Petersburg Boat Show in Florida, I talked to a Viking Certified Company about letting me watch. I was talking to the owner of a private company dealing Viking rafts. The coporate Viking marketing person overheard our conversation from across the booth. She came over and jumped down my throat. She was incredibly rude. She ranted and raved about how Viking dealers were not allowed to have customers in the work area. She went on and on about how well they are trained and how I would cause a distraction. I told her about the article in Practical Sailor and when I said Viking was one of the rafts that did not inflate she went nuts on me. She got really angry. Cindy left. I followed Cindy wondering why Viking would let a person like this out in public. Later, the guy we were talking to called me and apologized. He told me I was welcome to watch the procedure and we set up an appointment. While I was in his shop watching the work being performed (not touching anything and not being a distraction), I noticed a representative from the USCG doing the same thing. His company did all the rafts for Coast Guard vessels in Florida. I felt good about the work being done correctly. He packed a multitude of brands and also sold flares etc. His prices on parachute flares were ½ the price of West Marine. He later told me that Viking was the most difficult manufacture to deal with and had unrealistic demands of their partners.

 

Needles to say, when we eventually replace our raft, it’ll not be with a Viking.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:09 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Recommendations on life raft

 

 

Of course the oldest joke in the marine business is you never see an unhappy liferaft customer...

 

Some things to look at:  

 

Does it fit where you want to put it?  Most people use the designed life raft locker on the Amel SM to hold a valise style life raft pack, although other places are possible. 

 

What is the required service interval?  Some rafts are still using a 1 year repack, and that gets really expensive, and also very much a hassle to find someone reliable if you are cruising more remote areas.

 

Talk to someone who runs a repack shop about what they would recommend.  They are the people with WAY more hands on experience with liferafts than anyone else.

 

I do not have anything magic to say about the individual brands, other than it was a real help to see them inflated at the boat show and imagine trying to transfer from the big boat to that tiny pod in a running sea... some were WAY easier than others.

 

Bill Kinney

SM160, Harmonie

Back Creek, Annapolis, Maryland

 



---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello everyone - 

Though this is not Amel specific, I would like to ask the group for recommendations regarding what you all would consider the best life raft for off-shore sailing.  This would be for an Amel SM2000, and ideally a 6 or 8 person life raft.  

Perhaps there is one that fits best on the boat, and perhaps you could share any good or bad experience with the ones that you have had.  

I appreciate any feedback...

 

-James (hopefully a new Amel SM owner in the very near future)

 

 


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Herbert Lackner
 

Eric,

I used the hole where the Radar cable from the mizzen goes to the engineer compartment. Very easy from the aft bathroom. Nothing to destroy, No additional hole. .

The saltwater Outlet Hose i connected to the Outlet Hose after the Manual bilge Pump. No extra hole here, top

I can Post Pictures...

SN120 KALI MERA
Shelter Bay Panama

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommendations on life raft

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Winslow are good quality rafts; they are the firm used by most aircraft manufacturers.

I had a case built into the rail aft port and mine resides there, above the deck and is extremely easy to deploy.  Like the 54’s have.

For me, the safety was the more important factor.

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007



On 28 Sep 2017, at 11:07, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi James.  I just purchased a Winslow 6 man offshore raft.  My 18 year old one was still in good shape a few years ago, but they won't recertify it again.  Fortunately, I have never had occasion to use the old one, so can't comment on it's efficacy.  The new one is in a soft valise and is lighter weight (still 70lbs) and a smaller package than the old one.  I keep it in the port deck locker except when I am on a passage, in which case I lash it to the aft cabin top.  I chose not to have a permanently mounted hard case because I like the decks clear of obstructions when I'm not at sea.  The new one will give me a bit more room in the locker for extra fuel.

It would be nice to see them in action (at a boat show?), see how hard it is to get aboard, etc.  Without that in-person look, I just chose what appeared to be a well equipped, stable looking raft.  I also have a well equipped ditch bag with extra EPIRB, VHF, flares, hand-pump desalinator, food, etc.  My sat phone and InReach will go into it in a pelican case.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Currently St Michaels, MD





Party in St Michaels, MD

karkauai
 

Hi, All!

My girlfriend, Iris, and I are having a pot-luck outdoor party at her house on Tuesday 10/3 starting at around 6PM.  Any Amelians in the area are welcome to join in.  I know it's last-minute, but if anybody is interested, contact me at karkauai "at" yahoo "dot" com, or telephone 828-234-6819 and I'll give you directions.


Kent

SM243

Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommendations on life raft

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

James,
Almost all Amels - new as well as old - in Le Marin have Plastimo rafts. Seems Amel thinks well of them.  However,  if I were to go offshore I would consider the Viking self-righting raft designed with North Sea conditions in mind.  It may cost a little more but seems superior unit used by North Sea oil companies. 
Ben 

Ben and Gayle 
S/V La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Sep 28, 2017, at 11:25 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

James,

I originally had a Switlik which lasted me 18 years and was still good when I got rid of it.

It is important to get a life raft that is not too big as without sufficient interior weight they tend to flip. I chose a Winslow 6 man raft. Winslow was my choice as it has pockets inside that close. I believe the model was SLOP. It has numerous designs for a hard case, I also got a great price at the Annapolis boat

show. I chose it for 3 reasons,. If you read survival stories , you read about rafts flipping and losing their contents. With the pockets that can’t happen, secondly it is lighter than most rafts and, it has a 3 year repacking life.

 

My ditch bags are the type with dry suit zippers and will float with  75 pounds in them most ditch bags sink. I have also attached a painter to them with a snap shackle. Amongst other things in them  I have:

 

Epirb

VHF

Watermaker

30 days of life raft food.

Lots of flares

Fishing gear and a board to cut up fish.

And a lot more things.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommendations on life raft

 

 

Hello everyone - 

Though this is not Amel specific, I would like to ask the group for recommendations regarding what you all would consider the best life raft for off-shore sailing.  This would be for an Amel SM2000, and ideally a 6 or 8 person life raft.  

Perhaps there is one that fits best on the boat, and perhaps you could share any good or bad experience with the ones that you have had.  

I appreciate any feedback...

 

-James (hopefully a new Amel SM owner in the very near future)

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommendations on life raft

James Cromie
 

Everyone - This is tremendously helpful!  I must say that I find this forum to be an incredible resource, thanks to the kindness and extensive experience that seems to be shared by all of those who contribute to this group.  
Thank you, and I hope to get to know many of you more as we join the community of Amel owners (hopefully). 

James

On Sep 28, 2017, at 11:25 AM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James,

I originally had a Switlik which lasted me 18 years and was still good when I got rid of it.

It is important to get a life raft that is not too big as without sufficient interior weight they tend to flip. I chose a Winslow 6 man raft. Winslow was my choice as it has pockets inside that close. I believe the model was SLOP. It has numerous designs for a hard case, I also got a great price at the Annapolis boat

show. I chose it for 3 reasons,. If you read survival stories , you read about rafts flipping and losing their contents. With the pockets that can’t happen, secondly it is lighter than most rafts and, it has a 3 year repacking life.

 

My ditch bags are the type with dry suit zippers and will float with  75 pounds in them most ditch bags sink. I have also attached a painter to them with a snap shackle. Amongst other things in them  I have:

 

Epirb

VHF

Watermaker

30 days of life raft food.

Lots of flares

Fishing gear and a board to cut up fish.

And a lot more things.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommendations on life raft

 

  

Hello everyone - 

Though this is not Amel specific, I would like to ask the group for recommendations regarding what you all would consider the best life raft for off-shore sailing.  This would be for an Amel SM2000, and ideally a 6 or 8 person life raft.  

Perhaps there is one that fits best on the boat, and perhaps you could share any good or bad experience with the ones that you have had.  

I appreciate any feedback...

 

-James (hopefully a new Amel SM owner in the very near future)

 

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommendations on life raft

eric freedman
 

James,

I forgot to mention that when your raft is repacked see if you can see them repack it so you know what it looks like. The other reason I picked a slop Winslow is that it has a platform that floats just at water level and makes boarding easier for us old geezers.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:07 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommendations on life raft

 

 

Hi James.  I just purchased a Winslow 6 man offshore raft.  My 18 year old one was still in good shape a few years ago, but they won't recertify it again.  Fortunately, I have never had occasion to use the old one, so can't comment on it's efficacy.  The new one is in a soft valise and is lighter weight (still 70lbs) and a smaller package than the old one.  I keep it in the port deck locker except when I am on a passage, in which case I lash it to the aft cabin top.  I chose not to have a permanently mounted hard case because I like the decks clear of obstructions when I'm not at sea.  The new one will give me a bit more room in the locker for extra fuel.

 

It would be nice to see them in action (at a boat show?), see how hard it is to get aboard, etc.  Without that in-person look, I just chose what appeared to be a well equipped, stable looking raft.  I also have a well equipped ditch bag with extra EPIRB, VHF, flares, hand-pump desalinator, food, etc.  My sat phone and InReach will go into it in a pelican case.


Kent

SM 243

Kristy

Currently St Michaels, MD


 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommendations on life raft

eric freedman
 

James,

I originally had a Switlik which lasted me 18 years and was still good when I got rid of it.

It is important to get a life raft that is not too big as without sufficient interior weight they tend to flip. I chose a Winslow 6 man raft. Winslow was my choice as it has pockets inside that close. I believe the model was SLOP. It has numerous designs for a hard case, I also got a great price at the Annapolis boat

show. I chose it for 3 reasons,. If you read survival stories , you read about rafts flipping and losing their contents. With the pockets that can’t happen, secondly it is lighter than most rafts and, it has a 3 year repacking life.

 

My ditch bags are the type with dry suit zippers and will float with  75 pounds in them most ditch bags sink. I have also attached a painter to them with a snap shackle. Amongst other things in them  I have:

 

Epirb

VHF

Watermaker

30 days of life raft food.

Lots of flares

Fishing gear and a board to cut up fish.

And a lot more things.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:53 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommendations on life raft

 

 

Hello everyone - 

Though this is not Amel specific, I would like to ask the group for recommendations regarding what you all would consider the best life raft for off-shore sailing.  This would be for an Amel SM2000, and ideally a 6 or 8 person life raft.  

Perhaps there is one that fits best on the boat, and perhaps you could share any good or bad experience with the ones that you have had.  

I appreciate any feedback...

 

-James (hopefully a new Amel SM owner in the very near future)