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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Main and mizzen furlers

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Ian. I'll give that a try.

Mohammad and Aty

On Sep 25, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi
I tie an end of one of my thick mooring lines to the swivel, hoist it above mid point and carefully furl. Needs some experimenting to get the right thickness so it fills the void and stops the clanking.
Ian
Ocean Hobo
On the hard. Clarkes Court Grenada


Stay sail sheeting

Willem Kroes
 

Hi Paul,

I have seen your photo's on the stay sail you installed on Kerpa. On my SM #351 also a stay sail is fitted. First it was accordingly to the surveyor Mr. Olivier Beaute poorly installed (not a ss-plate on and below deck and not an in-line attachment to the partition bulkhead. My rigger did a real good job, but after hoisting the sail itself I was stuck with the sheeting. It seems the forward side stays are in the way (on the 54 the situation is totally different because of the backwards pointed spreaders). How did you do this? are the sheets inward sheeted from the stays and where to attach the bloc?


Re: Main and mizzen furlers

Paul Osterberg
 

Hello
We hoist a 12 mm three strand rope in the top swirled hold the rope were lose and fuel maybe 10 revs in total. Then there are no noise  from the profile what so ever. Any rope of similar dimension would work.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 Now in Annapolis


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main and mizzen furlers

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

I tension the small line enough for the swivel to have solid contact with the internal aft section of the mast.  Being Dyneema, the tension is quite high.  No movement observed even in 30 Its winds.  Tension is also high on the halyard.

Indeed, I’ve moved fast.  Now in Curacao departing for Bonaire on 8 Oct for lots of diving then … about 25 Oct to Santa Marta Columbia.  Thereafter, it will be San Blas islands (Panama) and Boca del Toro.  

Crossing into PAC 4-10 Jan the Galapagos and Marquesas… such is the plan…

But you know about plans

Cheers to both of you.


JP



On 25 Sep 2017, at 10:34, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi JP.

It's been a while. You guys just moved too fast and we have not had a chance to run into each other.

We did try that but we furled as we raised the swivel to get some wraps on the Furler as well. Have you been able to eliminate contact by just tensioning the mid section of the Furler?

Thanks 


On Sep 25, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi A & M,


I had the same issue on my SM.  

I tie a small line (dyneema) on the swivel and tie it loosely to the aft end of the boom.  I then raise the swivel to about mid mast and tension the small line.  Job done..

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007


On 25 Sep 2017, at 10:12, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello every one;

We are removing our sails for the winter and would appreciate ideas on how to prevent the Furler extrusions from hitting the mast when the sails are removed.

We have tried different approaches and have had some success but still got some occasional contact and sound depending on wind conditions.. We would like to avoid being a nuisance to the live aboard community and also prevent any potential damage.

Thanks in advance for your time.

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main and mizzen furlers

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi JP.

It's been a while. You guys just moved too fast and we have not had a chance to run into each other.

We did try that but we furled as we raised the swivel to get some wraps on the Furler as well. Have you been able to eliminate contact by just tensioning the mid section of the Furler?

Thanks 


On Sep 25, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi A & M,


I had the same issue on my SM.  

I tie a small line (dyneema) on the swivel and tie it loosely to the aft end of the boom.  I then raise the swivel to about mid mast and tension the small line.  Job done..

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007


On 25 Sep 2017, at 10:12, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello every one;

We are removing our sails for the winter and would appreciate ideas on how to prevent the Furler extrusions from hitting the mast when the sails are removed.

We have tried different approaches and have had some success but still got some occasional contact and sound depending on wind conditions.. We would like to avoid being a nuisance to the live aboard community and also prevent any potential damage.

Thanks in advance for your time.

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



Re: Main and mizzen furlers

Ian Park
 

Hi
I tie an end of one of my thick mooring lines to the swivel, hoist it above mid point and carefully furl. Needs some experimenting to get the right thickness so it fills the void and stops the clanking.
Ian
Ocean Hobo
On the hard. Clarkes Court Grenada


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main and mizzen furlers

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi A & M,

I had the same issue on my SM.  

I tie a small line (dyneema) on the swivel and tie it loosely to the aft end of the boom.  I then raise the swivel to about mid mast and tension the small line.  Job done..

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007


On 25 Sep 2017, at 10:12, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello every one;

We are removing our sails for the winter and would appreciate ideas on how to prevent the Furler extrusions from hitting the mast when the sails are removed.

We have tried different approaches and have had some success but still got some occasional contact and sound depending on wind conditions.. We would like to avoid being a nuisance to the live aboard community and also prevent any potential damage.

Thanks in advance for your time.

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



Main and mizzen furlers

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hello every one;

We are removing our sails for the winter and would appreciate ideas on how to prevent the Furler extrusions from hitting the mast when the sails are removed.

We have tried different approaches and have had some success but still got some occasional contact and sound depending on wind conditions.. We would like to avoid being a nuisance to the live aboard community and also prevent any potential damage.

Thanks in advance for your time.

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099


Super Maramu 2K interior cushions set for barter

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
 


Hello all,

Aquarius has been updated to look more like BeBe on the inside, and we have replaced our lightly used interior cushion set.  This includes the cushions around the table and the love seat.  Pictures of the interior are attached to a previous email from my wife.   There are no rips or stains, just some normal wear signs, but not much.....  Our previous owner put this interior in about 3 years ago, and has only seen about 15 months of usage.  It's looking for a new home!!
We currently in Trinidad and so are the cushions, if you are going to make your way down here let me know.
We will be here for about two weeks, leaving on or about October 14th.
 
Let us know if you interested.
 
Best regards, 
Ken Powers
Aquarius SM 2000 #262.
www.sailingaquarius.com


Re: Amel sharki

smiles bernard
 

Thank you very much for this info Roger!
really helpful
I'm thinking i might go for a slightly smaller 
With small kids onboard and therefore almost single handed sailing anticipated by your truly ... i'm wondering what the most useful size of additional foresail might be
Ideally i'd leave it up in quite a blow whilst furling away the leeward furling genoa
Perhaps somewhere between 85 - 100% might do it

All the best and thanks again
Miles



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anse Marcel

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anse Marcel

Darren Ward <darren_ward@...>
 

On Sunday, September 24, 2017 4:31 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Good afternoon Eric,
Today I went to Grand Case, Anse Marcel, Oriental Baie, Oyster Pond and Phillisburg.
I don’t have words for the damages.
Definitely worst on the French side than the Dutch side.
It will take years for the island to be back to normal.
I located Rafael’s Super Maramu.
I will send him the pictures.
Only in a couple of area I was a bit concerned for safety (had wasp spray with me).
Now back to the hotel.
Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Sun, 9/24/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anse Marcel
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Sunday, September 24, 2017, 9:29 AM


 









Alexandre,I don't know if you have
been to Anse marcel  But is far from any help. I would not
suggest that you go to that particular marina for a while.
It is in the woods and I would be concerned about getting
Car Jacked or worse.Eric

----- Original Message
-----
From: "Alexandre Uster von
Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Sunday, September 24, 2017 7:15 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re:
Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the
factory.
To:
amelyachtowners@...

> Good morning Dan,
>

> I definitely hope I can find a
solution for the hotel, it is my
>
priority at the moment.
>
> If not I need to find a place to rent on
the French or Dutch
> side.
> Yesterday I drove a little on the Dutch
and French side, pretty
> much all the
building are destroyed. I don’t much the point of
> staying here.
> So
far I don’t see a future for the island before several
years.
>
>
> I have the car all day today, I will go
deeper on the French
> side and see if I
can find Rafael’s Super Maramu at Anse Marcel.
>
>
> I thought of going to Martinique but was
told I would have to
> pay 20% on
everything I bring… and show invoices.
> So Monday or Tuesday, I will call the
French customs and explain
> the
situation, will see what they say.
> If
acceptable, then still will have to find a container, etc.

>
> Thanks for the
help offering Dan.
> I don’t want to
write non-Amel stuff on the forum, but I might
> time to time to see if people have
suggestions.
>
>
Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 9/23/17, dancarlson367@...
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Re: Amfa domestic watrer
>
pump.wired backwards from the factory.
>
To: amelyachtowners@...
>
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2017, 8:14 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Alexandre,  Thanks for the
reply.   I am
> sorry to read about
your latest round with the hotel you are
> in.   I hope that you are able to work
something out. 
>  Have you been able
to identify any reasonable ways to get
>
out of there with all of your things?   I am for your
> electricity and internet to get a little
bit better and try
> to reach out to you
for a real conversation.   Then we can
> talk more specifically about ways that we
can help or where
> we might be able to
catch up with you.   
> Please keep the
updates coming
> and let us know ways
that we might be able to help. 
>  
> Best Regards,  Dan Carlson, 
> sv BeBe, SM#387 
>
>
>
>





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anse Marcel

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Eric,
Today I went to Grand Case, Anse Marcel, Oriental Baie, Oyster Pond and Phillisburg.
I don’t have words for the damages.
Definitely worst on the French side than the Dutch side.
It will take years for the island to be back to normal.
I located Rafael’s Super Maramu.
I will send him the pictures.
Only in a couple of area I was a bit concerned for safety (had wasp spray with me).
Now back to the hotel.
Sincerely, Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 9/24/17, kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Anse Marcel
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 24, 2017, 9:29 AM


 









Alexandre,I don't know if you have
been to Anse marcel  But is far from any help. I would not
suggest that you go to that particular marina for a while.
It is in the woods and I would be concerned about getting
Car Jacked or worse.Eric

----- Original Message
-----
From: "Alexandre Uster von
Baar uster@rocketmail.com [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Sunday, September 24, 2017 7:15 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re:
Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the
factory.
To:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Good morning Dan,
>

> I definitely hope I can find a
solution for the hotel, it is my
>
priority at the moment.
>
> If not I need to find a place to rent on
the French or Dutch
> side.
> Yesterday I drove a little on the Dutch
and French side, pretty
> much all the
building are destroyed. I don’t much the point of
> staying here.
> So
far I don’t see a future for the island before several
years.
>
>
> I have the car all day today, I will go
deeper on the French
> side and see if I
can find Rafael’s Super Maramu at Anse Marcel.
>
>
> I thought of going to Martinique but was
told I would have to
> pay 20% on
everything I bring… and show invoices.
> So Monday or Tuesday, I will call the
French customs and explain
> the
situation, will see what they say.
> If
acceptable, then still will have to find a container, etc.

>
> Thanks for the
help offering Dan.
> I don’t want to
write non-Amel stuff on the forum, but I might
> time to time to see if people have
suggestions.
>
>
Sincerely, Alexandre
>
>
>
>
--------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 9/23/17, dancarlson367@yahoo.com
[amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Amel
Yacht Owners] Re: Amfa domestic watrer
>
pump.wired backwards from the factory.
>
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
>
Date: Saturday, September 23, 2017, 8:14 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Alexandre,  Thanks for the
reply.   I am
> sorry to read about
your latest round with the hotel you are
> in.   I hope that you are able to work
something out. 
>  Have you been able
to identify any reasonable ways to get
>
out of there with all of your things?   I am for your
> electricity and internet to get a little
bit better and try
> to reach out to you
for a real conversation.   Then we can
> talk more specifically about ways that we
can help or where
> we might be able to
catch up with you.   
> Please keep the
updates coming
> and let us know ways
that we might be able to help. 
>  
> Best Regards,  Dan Carlson, 
> sv BeBe, SM#387 
>
>
>
>


Re: Jeff on Spirit and hurricane Maria

Duane Siegfri
 

Jeff,

Congratulations on dodging the bullet.  Hope to catch up with you again soon.  We still talk about your culinary skills with seafood!

Warm regards,

Duane & Peg
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: Puerto Del Ray - Puerto Rico - Hurricane Irma/Maria

Duane Siegfri
 

Gary,

Peg and I want to add our condolences on the damage to your Amel.  I know just a little of how much it hurts when something you cherish and have worked so hard to maintain is badly damaged despite your best attempts.  

Keep up your spirits and don't let anything get you down!

Duane & Peg
Wanderer, SM#477


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Del Ray - Puerto Rico - Hurricane Irma/Maria

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Gary;

It is hard to read your play by play as we see the potential of being in your shoes and having to go through what you and Alex have experienced.

Wishing you both the best outcome and back on the water as quickly as possible.

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099

On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Oh, Gary,
I am so glad Liahona survived, and sorry that she suffered so much damage.  Keep us in the loop as you learn more and get her ship shape again.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
Panama cell: +507-61171896
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Sep 23, 2017, at 4:54 PM, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hi Amel family:


I have followed with sadness and horror Alexandre's loss and odessy in St. Martin and his struggle to survive since.  My story pales in comparison so I haven't posted about my experiences to our beloved Liahona (Amel SM 2000 #335) until now because I just didn't know, until now.  


We have had Liahona at Puerto Del Ray marina (PDR) for the last three hurricane seasons.  The first year we hauled out in PR but I found the storage yard a bit lacking and so after finding out that the insurance premium was no different for being laid up ashore vs being laid up in the water,  we laid up the boat "in the water" both last year and again this year.  I stripped her of sails as well as all rail mounted items, the SSB antenna, bimmini etc.  I had multiple lashings on the booms to the jib sheet cars etc. I rigged a web of 14 dock lines, many doubled up and all with fire hose chafe gear to every cleat and pole in an extra wide slip.  Liahona was  seperated by a 45 ft finger pier from a large power yacht on starboard and there was no boat in the slip to port.  I faced the boat east into the presumed wind.  Water tight compartments sealed off, thru hulls closed and 15 fenders and 4 fender boards deployed.  My boat caretaker checked her just before Irma, charged the batteries one final time (I don't leave the boat plugged in continuously) and we prayed. She was full of diesel and had 800 liters of water on board.


The south eyeball of Irma passed 60 miles north of PDR and two days later when folks could make it to the marina we were pleased to find only some modest damage to the port aft rub-rail from chaffing up against a pole.  The fender boards had been blown out of position and that combined with line stretch left them ineffective.  Nevertheless, this seemed to be mostly cosmetic based on the single photo that I have available to me.  Then came Maria.... 


The north eyeball of Maria passed 16 miles south of PDR.  I feared the worst as I read of Nikimat's fate.  My caretaker trimmed some dock lines, and I put my faith in the fact that I was protected by concrete piers and sat right behind a 20 foot very stout sea wall with moles on both sides.  The night of landfall I watched from my home in Utah as best I could via the internet.  I watched until all the reporting stations stopped sending (last wind I could find for Fajardo area was 98 mph), that was 2.5 hrs before Maria made landfall.  I watched as the rain bands struck and then watched as the radar failed.  Then there was virtual silence from the island.  I feared that my boat caretaker might not have survived.  52 hrs after Maria, Samuel called (he drove to the San Juan Airport to get cell service) and indicated that from afar (he wasn't able to gain access to the marina), there we're many "vertical masts".  5 pictures from a distance showed some boats sunk and other sitting on top of the docks or on top of other boats (report is 26 sunk and many many more are heavily damaged, unknown numbers toppled in the yard).  I scanned every news piece for hints and clews of how bad it was.  Initially there was not much news as there was no electricity etc.  On day 3, I spied a HD video on YouTube from a helicopter crew that did a brief flyover of the marina.  I saw a 2 second glimpse of dock14 that I was able to freeze-frame and enhance to see my boat afloat.  My hopes soared.  Due to the annihilation of the cell phone system and power grid there was no further word..  Gas is in short supply and Samuel believes soon the roads will be littered with cars that are out of gas.  Electricity isn't likely to be restored for months as miles of concrete power poles are toppled onto roadways etc.  More silence.  Just now today (23 sept 2017) Samuel Moorefield called and in a brief cell call, before we lost contact, he told me that surge in the marina was 6 feet.  My boat floated up over the finger pier and smashed into the power yacht (or vice-versa).  All the lifelines and stanchions are smashed and mangled.  The masts are upright but rigging integrity could not be confirmed.  Mostly dry belowdecks except for some salt spray in the quarter berth floor (perhaps from spray coming thru the gap in the companionway closure).  Engine room is dry.  More rub-rail damage to the port side,  bow and foredeck ok, 6 dock-lines destroyed. One spring-line, chafed thru holding by "a thread".    The hull is punctured but it is above the waterline, (unknown if this was from cleats on the finger pier or from flying debris).  Every fender is gone, every fender board is gone, some of the ropes remain but the fenders were ripped from their lines.  Amazingly the upside down RIB is still lashed securely in place on the aft cabin top.  All the winch covers are gone as is the winter cockpit cover.  More damage reports will have to wait as I lost cell contact with Samuel about this point.  Kind of helpless to prevent further damage except to trim the remaining dock lines.  I'll bet there isn't a fender to be bought in Puerto Rico.  


The wait resumes for what is next but I know it will be far easier for me here in Utah than for Alexadre or the poor folks in the Leewards that have born the brunt of these two hurricanes.  I pray that aid will come soon to those most in need.  Alexandre my sincere prayers are for and with you, I can only slightly imagine the pain and suffering. 


Lesson learned, surge is the problem for a lay up in the water.  If and when there are functional boatyards again, and when the thousands of damaged boats that will fill the cue for repairs are dealt with, Liahona somewhere in that line will be repaired, but I shan't ever lay her up "in the water" again. 


Perhaps my experience will be of some value to the membership. 


Sincerely,  Gary S. Silver   s/v Liahona   Amel  SM 2000 335,  Farmington, Utah






Anse Marcel

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Del Ray - Puerto Rico - Hurricane Irma/Maria

karkauai
 

Oh, Gary,
I am so glad Liahona survived, and sorry that she suffered so much damage.  Keep us in the loop as you learn more and get her ship shape again.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
Panama cell: +507-61171896
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Sep 23, 2017, at 4:54 PM, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

 

Hi Amel family:


I have followed with sadness and horror Alexandre's loss and odessy in St. Martin and his struggle to survive since.  My story pales in comparison so I haven't posted about my experiences to our beloved Liahona (Amel SM 2000 #335) until now because I just didn't know, until now.  


We have had Liahona at Puerto Del Ray marina (PDR) for the last three hurricane seasons.  The first year we hauled out in PR but I found the storage yard a bit lacking and so after finding out that the insurance premium was no different for being laid up ashore vs being laid up in the water,  we laid up the boat "in the water" both last year and again this year.  I stripped her of sails as well as all rail mounted items, the SSB antenna, bimmini etc.  I had multiple lashings on the booms to the jib sheet cars etc. I rigged a web of 14 dock lines, many doubled up and all with fire hose chafe gear to every cleat and pole in an extra wide slip.  Liahona was  seperated by a 45 ft finger pier from a large power yacht on starboard and there was no boat in the slip to port.  I faced the boat east into the presumed wind.  Water tight compartments sealed off, thru hulls closed and 15 fenders and 4 fender boards deployed.  My boat caretaker checked her just before Irma, charged the batteries one final time (I don't leave the boat plugged in continuously) and we prayed. She was full of diesel and had 800 liters of water on board.


The south eyeball of Irma passed 60 miles north of PDR and two days later when folks could make it to the marina we were pleased to find only some modest damage to the port aft rub-rail from chaffing up against a pole.  The fender boards had been blown out of position and that combined with line stretch left them ineffective.  Nevertheless, this seemed to be mostly cosmetic based on the single photo that I have available to me.  Then came Maria.... 


The north eyeball of Maria passed 16 miles south of PDR.  I feared the worst as I read of Nikimat's fate.  My caretaker trimmed some dock lines, and I put my faith in the fact that I was protected by concrete piers and sat right behind a 20 foot very stout sea wall with moles on both sides.  The night of landfall I watched from my home in Utah as best I could via the internet.  I watched until all the reporting stations stopped sending (last wind I could find for Fajardo area was 98 mph), that was 2.5 hrs before Maria made landfall.  I watched as the rain bands struck and then watched as the radar failed.  Then there was virtual silence from the island.  I feared that my boat caretaker might not have survived.  52 hrs after Maria, Samuel called (he drove to the San Juan Airport to get cell service) and indicated that from afar (he wasn't able to gain access to the marina), there we're many "vertical masts".  5 pictures from a distance showed some boats sunk and other sitting on top of the docks or on top of other boats (report is 26 sunk and many many more are heavily damaged, unknown numbers toppled in the yard).  I scanned every news piece for hints and clews of how bad it was.  Initially there was not much news as there was no electricity etc.  On day 3, I spied a HD video on YouTube from a helicopter crew that did a brief flyover of the marina.  I saw a 2 second glimpse of dock14 that I was able to freeze-frame and enhance to see my boat afloat.  My hopes soared.  Due to the annihilation of the cell phone system and power grid there was no further word..  Gas is in short supply and Samuel believes soon the roads will be littered with cars that are out of gas.  Electricity isn't likely to be restored for months as miles of concrete power poles are toppled onto roadways etc.  More silence.  Just now today (23 sept 2017) Samuel Moorefield called and in a brief cell call, before we lost contact, he told me that surge in the marina was 6 feet.  My boat floated up over the finger pier and smashed into the power yacht (or vice-versa).  All the lifelines and stanchions are smashed and mangled.  The masts are upright but rigging integrity could not be confirmed.  Mostly dry belowdecks except for some salt spray in the quarter berth floor (perhaps from spray coming thru the gap in the companionway closure).  Engine room is dry.  More rub-rail damage to the port side,  bow and foredeck ok, 6 dock-lines destroyed. One spring-line, chafed thru holding by "a thread".    The hull is punctured but it is above the waterline, (unknown if this was from cleats on the finger pier or from flying debris).  Every fender is gone, every fender board is gone, some of the ropes remain but the fenders were ripped from their lines.  Amazingly the upside down RIB is still lashed securely in place on the aft cabin top.  All the winch covers are gone as is the winter cockpit cover.  More damage reports will have to wait as I lost cell contact with Samuel about this point.  Kind of helpless to prevent further damage except to trim the remaining dock lines.  I'll bet there isn't a fender to be bought in Puerto Rico.  


The wait resumes for what is next but I know it will be far easier for me here in Utah than for Alexadre or the poor folks in the Leewards that have born the brunt of these two hurricanes.  I pray that aid will come soon to those most in need.  Alexandre my sincere prayers are for and with you, I can only slightly imagine the pain and suffering. 


Lesson learned, surge is the problem for a lay up in the water.  If and when there are functional boatyards again, and when the thousands of damaged boats that will fill the cue for repairs are dealt with, Liahona somewhere in that line will be repaired, but I shan't ever lay her up "in the water" again. 


Perhaps my experience will be of some value to the membership. 


Sincerely,  Gary S. Silver   s/v Liahona   Amel  SM 2000 335,  Farmington, Utah






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Del Ray - Puerto Rico - Hurricane Irma/Maria

Porter McRoberts
 

One more voice on condolences.  Very sad to hear Gary. 
Thinking and praying for you too!

Porter
S/V Ibis 54-153



On Sep 23, 2017, at 11:57 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Gary,

I am really saddened by this news. I know for a fact that Judy and I would have never enjoyed our life aboard BeBe without the tremendous support that you provided.

Thinking about you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 7:23 PM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Gary,

 

Thank you for sharing this. I found it very insightful. We know a few people we met while in Palmas Del Mar YC in PR who decided to stay there for this h’season. Their plan was to go to the BVI in November and they didn’t want to sail all the way back. The eye of Maria pass right over them. I don’t expect the news to be good.

 

I wish you well as you start to put the pieces back together (perhaps not the best choice of words). Let’s hope things aren’t too bad and can be repaired quickly. Keep us posted. We hope to see you on the water again soon.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of amelliahona
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 4:54 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Del Ray - Puerto Rico - Hurricane Irma/Maria

 

 

Hi Amel family:

 

I have followed with sadness and horror Alexandre's loss and odessy in St.. Martin and his struggle to survive since.  My story pales in comparison so I haven't posted about my experiences to our beloved Liahona (Amel SM 2000 #335) until now because I just didn't know, until now.  

 

We have had Liahona at Puerto Del Ray marina (PDR) for the last three hurricane seasons.  The first year we hauled out in PR but I found the storage yard a bit lacking and so after finding out that the insurance premium was no different for being laid up ashore vs being laid up in the water,  we laid up the boat "in the water" both last year and again this year.  I stripped her of sails as well as all rail mounted items, the SSB antenna, bimmini etc.  I had multiple lashings on the booms to the jib sheet cars etc. I rigged a web of 14 dock lines, many doubled up and all with fire hose chafe gear to every cleat and pole in an extra wide slip.  Liahona was  seperated by a 45 ft finger pier from a large power yacht on starboard and there was no boat in the slip to port.  I faced the boat east into the presumed wind.  Water tight compartments sealed off, thru hulls closed and 15 fenders and 4 fender boards deployed.  My boat caretaker checked her just before Irma, charged the batteries one final time (I don't leave the boat plugged in continuously) and we prayed. She was full of diesel and had 800 liters of water on board.

 

The south eyeball of Irma passed 60 miles north of PDR and two days later when folks could make it to the marina we were pleased to find only some modest damage to the port aft rub-rail from chaffing up against a pole.  The fender boards had been blown out of position and that combined with line stretch left them ineffective.  Nevertheless, this seemed to be mostly cosmetic based on the single photo that I have available to me.  Then came Maria.... 

 

The north eyeball of Maria passed 16 miles south of PDR.  I feared the worst as I read of Nikimat's fate.  My caretaker trimmed some dock lines, and I put my faith in the fact that I was protected by concrete piers and sat right behind a 20 foot very stout sea wall with moles on both sides.  The night of landfall I watched from my home in Utah as best I could via the internet.  I watched until all the reporting stations stopped sending (last wind I could find for Fajardo area was 98 mph), that was 2.5 hrs before Maria made landfall.  I watched as the rain bands struck and then watched as the radar failed.  Then there was virtual silence from the island.  I feared that my boat caretaker might not have survived.  52 hrs after Maria, Samuel called (he drove to the San Juan Airport to get cell service) and indicated that from afar (he wasn't able to gain access to the marina), there we're many "vertical masts".  5 pictures from a distance showed some boats sunk and other sitting on top of the docks or on top of other boats (report is 26 sunk and many many more are heavily damaged, unknown numbers toppled in the yard).  I scanned every news piece for hints and clews of how bad it was.  Initially there was not much news as there was no electricity etc.  On day 3, I spied a HD video on YouTube from a helicopter crew that did a brief flyover of the marina.  I saw a 2 second glimpse of dock14 that I was able to freeze-frame and enhance to see my boat afloat.  My hopes soared.  Due to the annihilation of the cell phone system and power grid there was no further word.  Gas is in short supply and Samuel believes soon the roads will be littered with cars that are out of gas.  Electricity isn't likely to be restored for months as miles of concrete power poles are toppled onto roadways etc.  More silence.  Just now today (23 sept 2017) Samuel Moorefield called and in a brief cell call, before we lost contact, he told me that surge in the marina was 6 feet.  My boat floated up over the finger pier and smashed into the power yacht (or vice-versa).  All the lifelines and stanchions are smashed and mangled.  The masts are upright but rigging integrity could not be confirmed.  Mostly dry belowdecks except for some salt spray in the quarter berth floor (perhaps from spray coming thru the gap in the companionway closure).  Engine room is dry.  More rub-rail damage to the port side,  bow and foredeck ok, 6 dock-lines destroyed. One spring-line, chafed thru holding by "a thread".    The hull is punctured but it is above the waterline, (unknown if this was from cleats on the finger pier or from flying debris).  Every fender is gone, every fender board is gone, some of the ropes remain but the fenders were ripped from their lines.  Amazingly the upside down RIB is still lashed securely in place on the aft cabin top.  All the winch covers are gone as is the winter cockpit cover.  More damage reports will have to wait as I lost cell contact with Samuel about this point.  Kind of helpless to prevent further damage except to trim the remaining dock lines.  I'll bet there isn't a fender to be bought in Puerto Rico.  

 

The wait resumes for what is next but I know it will be far easier for me here in Utah than for Alexadre or the poor folks in the Leewards that have born the brunt of these two hurricanes.  I pray that aid will come soon to those most in need.  Alexandre my sincere prayers are for and with you, I can only slightly imagine the pain and suffering. 

 

Lesson learned, surge is the problem for a lay up in the water.  If and when there are functional boatyards again, and when the thousands of damaged boats that will fill the cue for repairs are dealt with, Liahona somewhere in that line will be repaired, but I shan't ever lay her up "in the water" again. 

 

Perhaps my experience will be of some value to the membership. 

 

Sincerely,  Gary S. Silver   s/v Liahona   Amel  SM 2000 335,  Farmington, Utah

 

 

 

 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Del Ray - Puerto Rico - Hurricane Irma/Maria

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Liz & Steve,

I am planning Santa Marta and Cartagena.  The latter for sure as I pick up crew on 4 Nov.  Then off to San Blas for quite some time.

For Eric: thanks for the tip regarding Kelly.

For Gary:  so sorry for you.  I’ve learnt a great deal from your writings… I would think you will have more information for us as you begin the in depth repairs.  Good luck Amel friend!

Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007



On 23 Sep 2017, at 22:23, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hello Eric,

So far the wind has been light, and not coming from the direction of the coal pile behind the port, and Aloha is clean. Other than short trips inland, we will be on the boat, and can keep it clean should the situation change. Also we are enjoying the town and marina so far. 

Kelly has been really helpful, and we will say hi for you. 

Let us know if yo make it to Cartagena, and we will take the bus there for a couple of days. 

Regards,

Steve and Liz

On Sep 23, 2017, at 17:39, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Steve and Liz

Are you having a problem with the soot from the coal burning plant across the harbor?

 

Please say hello to Kelly in the office  from Eric on Kimberlite

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2017 6:17 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Puerto Del Ray - Puerto Rico - Hurricane Irma/Maria

 

  

So sorry to hear about the damage to your beautiful Amel. Best of luck getting her repaired, and back on the water. 

 

Regards,

 

Steve and Liz Davis

Aloha SM 72

Santa Marta, Columbia


Steve Davis

S/V Aloha


On Sep 23, 2017, at 3:54 PM, amelliahona <no_reply@...> wrote:

  

Hi Amel family:

 

I have followed with sadness and horror Alexandre's loss and odessy in St. Martin and his struggle to survive since.  My story pales in comparison so I haven't posted about my experiences to our beloved Liahona (Amel SM 2000 #335) until now because I just didn't know, until now.  

 

We have had Liahona at Puerto Del Ray marina (PDR) for the last three hurricane seasons.  The first year we hauled out in PR but I found the storage yard a bit lacking and so after finding out that the insurance premium was no different for being laid up ashore vs being laid up in the water,  we laid up the boat "in the water" both last year and again this year.  I stripped her of sails as well as all rail mounted items, the SSB antenna, bimmini etc.  I had multiple lashings on the booms to the jib sheet cars etc. I rigged a web of 14 dock lines, many doubled up and all with fire hose chafe gear to every cleat and pole in an extra wide slip.  Liahona was  seperated by a 45 ft finger pier from a large power yacht on starboard and there was no boat in the slip to port.  I faced the boat east into the presumed wind.  Water tight compartments sealed off, thru hulls closed and 15 fenders and 4 fender boards deployed.  My boat caretaker checked her just before Irma, charged the batteries one final time (I don't leave the boat plugged in continuously) and we prayed. She was full of diesel and had 800 liters of water on board.

 

The south eyeball of Irma passed 60 miles north of PDR and two days later when folks could make it to the marina we were pleased to find only some modest damage to the port aft rub-rail from chaffing up against a pole.  The fender boards had been blown out of position and that combined with line stretch left them ineffective.  Nevertheless, this seemed to be mostly cosmetic based on the single photo that I have available to me.  Then came Maria.... 

 

The north eyeball of Maria passed 16 miles south of PDR.  I feared the worst as I read of Nikimat's fate.  My caretaker trimmed some dock lines, and I put my faith in the fact that I was protected by concrete piers and sat right behind a 20 foot very stout sea wall with moles on both sides.  The night of landfall I watched from my home in Utah as best I could via the internet.  I watched until all the reporting stations stopped sending (last wind I could find for Fajardo area was 98 mph), that was 2.5 hrs before Maria made landfall.  I watched as the rain bands struck and then watched as the radar failed.  Then there was virtual silence from the island.  I feared that my boat caretaker might not have survived.  52 hrs after Maria, Samuel called (he drove to the San Juan Airport to get cell service) and indicated that from afar (he wasn't able to gain access to the marina), there we're many "vertical masts".  5 pictures from a distance showed some boats sunk and other sitting on top of the docks or on top of other boats (report is 26 sunk and many many more are heavily damaged, unknown numbers toppled in the yard).  I scanned every news piece for hints and clews of how bad it was.  Initially there was not much news as there was no electricity etc.  On day 3, I spied a HD video on YouTube from a helicopter crew that did a brief flyover of the marina.  I saw a 2 second glimpse of dock14 that I was able to freeze-frame and enhance to see my boat afloat.  My hopes soared.  Due to the annihilation of the cell phone system and power grid there was no further word.  Gas is in short supply and Samuel believes soon the roads will be littered with cars that are out of gas.  Electricity isn't likely to be restored for months as miles of concrete power poles are toppled onto roadways etc.  More silence.  Just now today (23 sept 2017) Samuel Moorefield called and in a brief cell call, before we lost contact, he told me that surge in the marina was 6 feet.  My boat floated up over the finger pier and smashed into the power yacht (or vice-versa).  All the lifelines and stanchions are smashed and mangled.  The masts are upright but rigging integrity could not be confirmed.  Mostly dry belowdecks except for some salt spray in the quarter berth floor (perhaps from spray coming thru the gap in the companionway closure).  Engine room is dry.  More rub-rail damage to the port side,  bow and foredeck ok, 6 dock-lines destroyed. One spring-line, chafed thru holding by "a thread".    The hull is punctured but it is above the waterline, (unknown if this was from cleats on the finger pier or from flying debris).  Every fender is gone, every fender board is gone, some of the ropes remain but the fenders were ripped from their lines.  Amazingly the upside down RIB is still lashed securely in place on the aft cabin top.  All the winch covers are gone as is the winter cockpit cover.  More damage reports will have to wait as I lost cell contact with Samuel about this point.  Kind of helpless to prevent further damage except to trim the remaining dock lines.  I'll bet there isn't a fender to be bought in Puerto Rico.  

 

The wait resumes for what is next but I know it will be far easier for me here in Utah than for Alexadre or the poor folks in the Leewards that have born the brunt of these two hurricanes.  I pray that aid will come soon to those most in need.  Alexandre my sincere prayers are for and with you, I can only slightly imagine the pain and suffering. 

 

Lesson learned, surge is the problem for a lay up in the water.  If and when there are functional boatyards again, and when the thousands of damaged boats that will fill the cue for repairs are dealt with, Liahona somewhere in that line will be repaired, but I shan't ever lay her up "in the water" again. 

 

Perhaps my experience will be of some value to the membership. 

 

Sincerely,  Gary S. Silver   s/v Liahona   Amel  SM 2000 335,  Farmington, Utah