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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommendations on life raft

Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
 

We have also recently replaced our original Zodiac life raft with the Winslow 6-person SLOP version and store it right beside the helm station in the cockpit locker. It sits atop a plastic tote with extra water and food so that the raft never gets buried or moved to another place to access things below it. 

Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai
Biunswick, GA


On Sep 28, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi James.  I just purchased a Winslow 6 man offshore raft.  My 18 year old one was still in good shape a few years ago, but they won't recertify it again.  Fortunately, I have never had occasion to use the old one, so can't comment on it's efficacy.  The new one is in a soft valise and is lighter weight (still 70lbs) and a smaller package than the old one.  I keep it in the port deck locker except when I am on a passage, in which case I lash it to the aft cabin top.  I chose not to have a permanently mounted hard case because I like the decks clear of obstructions when I'm not at sea.  The new one will give me a bit more room in the locker for extra fuel.

It would be nice to see them in action (at a boat show?), see how hard it is to get aboard, etc.  Without that in-person look, I just chose what appeared to be a well equipped, stable looking raft.  I also have a well equipped ditch bag with extra EPIRB, VHF, flares, hand-pump desalinator, food, etc.  My sat phone and InReach will go into it in a pelican case.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Currently St Michaels, MD



Re: Recommendations on life raft

greatketch@...
 

Of course the oldest joke in the marine business is you never see an unhappy liferaft customer...

Some things to look at:  

Does it fit where you want to put it?  Most people use the designed life raft locker on the Amel SM to hold a valise style life raft pack, although other places are possible. 

What is the required service interval?  Some rafts are still using a 1 year repack, and that gets really expensive, and also very much a hassle to find someone reliable if you are cruising more remote areas.

Talk to someone who runs a repack shop about what they would recommend.  They are the people with WAY more hands on experience with liferafts than anyone else.

I do not have anything magic to say about the individual brands, other than it was a real help to see them inflated at the boat show and imagine trying to transfer from the big boat to that tiny pod in a running sea... some were WAY easier than others.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Back Creek, Annapolis, Maryland



---In amelyachtowners@..., <jamescromie@...> wrote :

Hello everyone - 
Though this is not Amel specific, I would like to ask the group for recommendations regarding what you all would consider the best life raft for off-shore sailing.  This would be for an Amel SM2000, and ideally a 6 or 8 person life raft.  
Perhaps there is one that fits best on the boat, and perhaps you could share any good or bad experience with the ones that you have had.  
I appreciate any feedback...

-James (hopefully a new Amel SM owner in the very near future)



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Recommendations on life raft

karkauai
 

Hi James.  I just purchased a Winslow 6 man offshore raft.  My 18 year old one was still in good shape a few years ago, but they won't recertify it again.  Fortunately, I have never had occasion to use the old one, so can't comment on it's efficacy.  The new one is in a soft valise and is lighter weight (still 70lbs) and a smaller package than the old one.  I keep it in the port deck locker except when I am on a passage, in which case I lash it to the aft cabin top.  I chose not to have a permanently mounted hard case because I like the decks clear of obstructions when I'm not at sea.  The new one will give me a bit more room in the locker for extra fuel.

It would be nice to see them in action (at a boat show?), see how hard it is to get aboard, etc.  Without that in-person look, I just chose what appeared to be a well equipped, stable looking raft.  I also have a well equipped ditch bag with extra EPIRB, VHF, flares, hand-pump desalinator, food, etc.  My sat phone and InReach will go into it in a pelican case.

Kent
SM 243
Kristy
Currently St Michaels, MD



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jeff on Spirit and hurricane Maria

Mark Erdos
 

Jeff,

 

Glad you made it back safely. I look forward to reading about lessons learned and suggested equipment.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:25 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jeff on Spirit and hurricane Maria

 

 

Good Morning Amelians,

I returned to NY late yesterday, and my only contact since 9/18, when I departed, till my return to NY was my sat phone, but more importantly, my email ability thru it, via my ocens software on my laptop. I could, however, only use my vessel email, which is different from my everyday email address.

I was fortunate to be able to offer it's use upon return to PR, to a number of people allowing them to reassure loved ones off island of their safety. A Blessing for all.

I want to thank those who made kind remarks towards me, and express my deepest sympathies for those who have experienced losses or damage to their vessels. I've seen the heartbreak here in Puerto Real firsthand, and spent days helping salvage valuables from vessels beached, holed, and, and awash, with my RIB. I was grateful to be able to help, knowing full well that if I had remained, I would have been in the same predicament.

To add insult to injury, there was looting of some of the boats in dire straits.

There are a number of lessons learned and later, I'll offer some suggestions that could be helpful to prevent tragedy for someone in the future. A few are items I plan to add to my equipment aboard, and I'm sure it will initiate a helpful discussion.

Later though, as I have a busy day with 4 boats up here.

 

Best Wishes to All,

 

Jeff

 

Spirit Amel 54 #14 Puerto Real, PR

 

 


On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 09:08 AM, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 

Good News!

 

I watched Jeff dock Spirit in TCI earlier this year. It was blowing really hard. He never touched a pylon.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 9:02 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jeff on Spirit and hurricane Maria

 

 

I just received a note from Jeff on his Amel 54.

He left the South west coast of Puerto  Rico before Maria and headed south. He encountered winds to 40 knots and seas 8-12 feet.

He returned to the marina and he was the only boat floating,. The buoys to the entrance were gone

Some boats floating and many piled up on the beach. He entered and tied up to the gas dock in 20 knots.

He did this all single handed.30 hours total time solo.

Congratulations to Jeff


Re: Watermaker - Santorin - Sea Chest

ericmeury@...
 

Herbert.

So where are the rest of the watermaker parts.  You are using the intake from the rear head?  Where did you put the hose so you didn't destroy the water tight bulkhead?


Re: Watermaker - Santorin - Sea Chest

ericmeury@...
 

I think the SM is just one and supply the engine watermaker generator and AC.


Recommendations on life raft

James Cromie
 

Hello everyone - 
Though this is not Amel specific, I would like to ask the group for recommendations regarding what you all would consider the best life raft for off-shore sailing.  This would be for an Amel SM2000, and ideally a 6 or 8 person life raft.  
Perhaps there is one that fits best on the boat, and perhaps you could share any good or bad experience with the ones that you have had.  
I appreciate any feedback...

-James (hopefully a new Amel SM owner in the very near future)



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jeff on Spirit and hurricane Maria

JEFFREY KRAUS
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main and mizzen furlers

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks everyone for sharing your experience. We did go with an 8mm line wrapped around the foil spaced about 6" between wraps and everything has been quiet.

Saves some wear on the Furlers and masts and happy cruisers that will be wintering aboard around Kokomo.

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty

On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:38 AM, 'Mohammad Shirloo' mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks bill. Have you tried this?


Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty

On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:02 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I think the best solution is to have a sailmaker make a "noise-stopping sail" out of old sail cloth about 1m H X 1.5m L. 

Have him sew bolt rope on the 1m side and a grommet at the top and bottom on that side. On the other 1m side cut the side to a point (triangle), and place a grommet at the point. Connect the top grommet to the swivel with small line, connect a "down guy" to the bottom grommet, and connect and "outhaul to the point grommet of the triangle. Raise this "sail" midway. Furl this sail (don't worry about wrapping the downhaul because you will only use it when unfurled and to haul down. Secure the "outhaul" to something that keeps it tight.

Voila!

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970




On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:12 AM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello every one;

We are removing our sails for the winter and would appreciate ideas on how to prevent the Furler extrusions from hitting the mast when the sails are removed.

We have tried different approaches and have had some success but still got some occasional contact and sound depending on wind conditions.. We would like to avoid being a nuisance to the live aboard community and also prevent any potential damage.

Thanks in advance for your time.

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] replacing Climma controls

Ryan Meador
 

Ken,
Glad to hear you arrived at the same conclusion.  We must have been talking to these vendors at the same time.  I've opted not to get the soft-start as I don't think I have one now and it works fine.  I'm told the FX-2 can be configured with a delayed start, replacing the timer module in the existing system.  I look forward to hearing how it works out for you, but I'm going to place my order today on faith that it will work :)  There's a two-week lead time and winter is fast approaching up here.

Alexandre,
Thank you for the photos and diagrams!  I was very sorry to hear of the loss of your boat, and I'm very glad you're still active in this community.  Your posts have helped me invaluably as a new owner.

Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA

On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 7:00 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good morning Ryan,
Sorry about your problem…
I can not reply your question, but here is a link when I swap the air conditioning
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh.html
Some parts might be of interest for you such as Part 3 and 4
I would also look at Part 12, 22, 23, 24, etc.
As they are similar, I took different pictures and illustrated better some parts than some other.
It will also familiarize you with what to expect, how it looks, etc.

Hope that help.
Sincerely, Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 9/26/17, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] replacing Climma controls
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017, 4:55 PM


 









Hi all,One of the
mechanical Climma air conditioning control panels on my boat
is not fully functional, and apparently these panels are no
longer made.  After lengthy back and forth with
Veco/Climma, Coastal Climate Control, and Micro Air (all of
which have been a pleasure to work with thus far), it seems
the best path forward for me is to replace the entire
"brain" of the AC unit with the FX-2 from Micro
Air and the associated EasyTouch control panel.  This is
definitely overkill, but not significantly more difficult or
expensive than any of the other options, and nets a bunch of
new features (like dehumidify mode, day/time scheduling, and
WiFi remote control).  I'm going to replace the
controls on all 3 units so they're all consistent and I
can take full advantage of the new features.  I especially
think it will be valuable for heating over the cold Boston
winter.
Before I pull
the trigger, has anyone else done something like this?  Any
tips or tricks?
Thanks,RyanSM
233 IterationBoston, MA, USA






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] replacing Climma controls

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Ryan,
Sorry about your problem…
I can not reply your question, but here is a link when I swap the air conditioning
http://nikimat.com/air_conditioning_climma_marine_compact_9_eh.html
Some parts might be of interest for you such as Part 3 and 4
I would also look at Part 12, 22, 23, 24, etc.
As they are similar, I took different pictures and illustrated better some parts than some other.
It will also familiarize you with what to expect, how it looks, etc.

Hope that help.
Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 9/26/17, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] replacing Climma controls
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2017, 4:55 PM


 









Hi all,One of the
mechanical Climma air conditioning control panels on my boat
is not fully functional, and apparently these panels are no
longer made.  After lengthy back and forth with
Veco/Climma, Coastal Climate Control, and Micro Air (all of
which have been a pleasure to work with thus far), it seems
the best path forward for me is to replace the entire
"brain" of the AC unit with the FX-2 from Micro
Air and the associated EasyTouch control panel.  This is
definitely overkill, but not significantly more difficult or
expensive than any of the other options, and nets a bunch of
new features (like dehumidify mode, day/time scheduling, and
WiFi remote control).  I'm going to replace the
controls on all 3 units so they're all consistent and I
can take full advantage of the new features.  I especially
think it will be valuable for heating over the cold Boston
winter.
Before I pull
the trigger, has anyone else done something like this?  Any
tips or tricks?
Thanks,RyanSM
233 IterationBoston, MA, USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main and mizzen furlers

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks bill. Have you tried this?


Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty

On Sep 25, 2017, at 11:02 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

I think the best solution is to have a sailmaker make a "noise-stopping sail" out of old sail cloth about 1m H X 1.5m L. 

Have him sew bolt rope on the 1m side and a grommet at the top and bottom on that side. On the other 1m side cut the side to a point (triangle), and place a grommet at the point. Connect the top grommet to the swivel with small line, connect a "down guy" to the bottom grommet, and connect and "outhaul to the point grommet of the triangle. Raise this "sail" midway. Furl this sail (don't worry about wrapping the downhaul because you will only use it when unfurled and to haul down. Secure the "outhaul" to something that keeps it tight.

Voila!

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970




On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 9:12 AM, mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello every one;

We are removing our sails for the winter and would appreciate ideas on how to prevent the Furler extrusions from hitting the mast when the sails are removed.

We have tried different approaches and have had some success but still got some occasional contact and sound depending on wind conditions.. We would like to avoid being a nuisance to the live aboard community and also prevent any potential damage.

Thanks in advance for your time.

Mohammad and Aty
B&B Kokomo
Amel 54 #099



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main and mizzen furlers

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Thanks Eric. 

On Sep 25, 2017, at 9:28 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mohammad,
If you are speaking about the main furler extrusion, this is what I do.
I tie a very long line to the swivel after putting a few wraps around the foil.
I then just turn the foil as if I am furling the main.
I run id down 3/4 of the way and then tie the line off to an aft cleat.  I use about 12 mm
line and this acts as a cushion to stop the banging of the foil.
Fair Winds,
Eric
sm 376 kimberlite

----- Original Message -----
From: "mshirloo@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, September 25, 2017 10:12 am
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main and mizzen furlers
To: amelyachtowners@...

> Hello every one;
>
> We are removing our sails for the winter and would appreciate
> ideas on how to prevent the Furler extrusions from hitting the
> mast when the sails are removed.
>
> We have tried different approaches and have had some success but
> still got some occasional contact and sound depending on wind
> conditions.. We would like to avoid being a nuisance to the live
> aboard community and also prevent any potential damage.
>
> Thanks in advance for your time.
>
> Mohammad and Aty
> B&B Kokomo
> Amel 54 #099


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Cables

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] replacing Climma controls

Ken Powers <sailingaquarius@...>
 

Hello Ryan,

I have the same problem with two of my Climma conditioners.  The problem with the unit in the living room was a $15 relay (repair to be completed soon), but the problem with the aft cabin required a replacement of the entire switch.  After doing the same research, I bought the FX-2 W/Softstart with metal enclosure..  ASY360-XL6.  I also got the Brass Sensor SUB-056-X07,  Display Cable SUB-031-X10,  EasyTouch Cont Disp 8 P WIFI  ASY-389-X02-WIFI  Firmware Version N10.

All at a cost of $US824 .  

I decided for now to change the Climma brains in the aft cabin because 1) the controls are in the bathroom, and you have to get out of bed to change the settings, and 2) because that is the place where we use aircon the most.   I will try to install the unit in the next week, so ( a big SO) if successful I'll update with some photos and wiring instructions to complete the task.  Looks like it should be easy if you have the correct wiring diagrams.  I asked for some help for the guys at Micro Air, and not much back.  Sent them the Climma wiring diagram, and thought they would send me a diagram showing where each wire should go... 

If anyone has completed the installation of the FX2 with easy start/Easy Touch with WiFi, please let me know..

Thanks,

Ken Powers
SV Aquarius SM@K 262
Currently in Trinidad on the hard at PowerBoats



On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:52 PM, "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hi all,
One of the mechanical Climma air conditioning control panels on my boat is not fully functional, and apparently these panels are no longer made.  After lengthy back and forth with Veco/Climma, Coastal Climate Control, and Micro Air (all of which have been a pleasure to work with thus far), it seems the best path forward for me is to replace the entire "brain" of the AC unit with the FX-2 from Micro Air and the associated EasyTouch control panel.  This is definitely overkill, but not significantly more difficult or expensive than any of the other options, and nets a bunch of new features (like dehumidify mode, day/time scheduling, and WiFi remote control).  I'm going to replace the controls on all 3 units so they're all consistent and I can take full advantage of the new features.  I especially think it will be valuable for heating over the cold Boston winter.

Before I pull the trigger, has anyone else done something like this?  Any tips or tricks?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Cables

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi guys,

I had the same failure and rebuilt my own at 1/10 the cost of a factory rebuild.  It was surprisingly easy.

Take piccies while dismantling and do the reverse when rebuilding….

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007


On 26 Sep 2017, at 08:52, Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Drew,

I don't know if it is the same problem you are having, but we had a similar noise, and it turned out to be the Raymarine Rotary drive. Our noise got worse over a couple of years, and finally the drive completely failed, and would not steer the boat. We had it rebuilt by Raymarine USA for a flat rate of $650, and now we have no noise. Our failure ended up being a couple of gears in the drive unit, which eventually completely failed. 

Good luck figuring it out. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM 72
Santa Marta, Columbia

Steve Davis
S/V Aloha

On Sep 26, 2017, at 6:42 AM, drew.gaffney@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Some owners have described a click or stiffiness.  WIth Revelation, whether hand steering or using the chain-drive A/P, rough seas cause a loud twangy pop.  It was there 4yr ago, crossing the Indian Ocean, but has gotten worse recently. There is lubrication at the quadrant ends of the cables.  There is no looseness where the cables are attached to the R&P.  Steering is smooth and there's full range of rudder turn without difficulty.  The popping is only when extra force is required for rough seas, big waves., etc.

We're hauling out this week for the winter, and wanted to get this resolved before next season.

Thank you,

Drew Gaffney

SY Revelation SM390

Lying Portimao, Portugal





replacing Climma controls

Ryan Meador
 

Hi all,
One of the mechanical Climma air conditioning control panels on my boat is not fully functional, and apparently these panels are no longer made.  After lengthy back and forth with Veco/Climma, Coastal Climate Control, and Micro Air (all of which have been a pleasure to work with thus far), it seems the best path forward for me is to replace the entire "brain" of the AC unit with the FX-2 from Micro Air and the associated EasyTouch control panel.  This is definitely overkill, but not significantly more difficult or expensive than any of the other options, and nets a bunch of new features (like dehumidify mode, day/time scheduling, and WiFi remote control).  I'm going to replace the controls on all 3 units so they're all consistent and I can take full advantage of the new features.  I especially think it will be valuable for heating over the cold Boston winter.

Before I pull the trigger, has anyone else done something like this?  Any tips or tricks?

Thanks,
Ryan
SM 233 Iteration
Boston, MA, USA


Re: Puerto Del Ray - Puerto Rico - Hurricane Irma/Maria

Derick Gates SM2K #400 Brava
 

Gary,

I am so sorry to hear about the damage done to Liahona by hurricane Maria.  Thank you for sharing the information in your message about your extensive preparations, and what subsequently happened.  We have all learned from this experience.  You did your best, and because of the good job you did, Liahona has survived to sail another day.  Well done! Let us know how we can help with the repairs/parts, etc.

Derick Gates (in Masschusetts)
SM2K#400 Brava
On the hard in a steel cradle in Bailey's boatyard, Falmouth Harbour, Antigua


Re: Steering Cables

greatketch@...
 

Gary,

I know this is in the realm of very marginally useful information, but the steering cables were completely replaced on Harmonie.  Unfortunately it was done by the previous owner so I can't say much more than that.  

Sorry I don't have more information other than it is possible.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Back Creek, Annapolis, Maryland


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Steering Cables

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Drew,

This is possibly a wild idea, but I think that I know what your twang is.

If the Raymarine autopilot chain drive clutch makes a momentary slip while under load, it will sound like a twang and the cables will jerk. How many sea miles do you think you have on the clutch? If it is around 20,000, or more, I would replace the 12VDC Raymarine clutch inside the drive unit and see if it solves your problem.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970




On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 6:42 AM, drew.gaffney@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Some owners have described a click or stiffiness.  WIth Revelation, whether hand steering or using the chain-drive A/P, rough seas cause a loud twangy pop.  It was there 4yr ago, crossing the Indian Ocean, but has gotten worse recently. There is lubrication at the quadrant ends of the cables.  There is no looseness where the cables are attached to the R&P.  Steering is smooth and there's full range of rudder turn without difficulty.  The popping is only when extra force is required for rough seas, big waves., etc.

We're hauling out this week for the winter, and wanted to get this resolved before next season.

Thank you,

Drew Gaffney

SY Revelation SM390

Lying Portimao, Portugal