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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Steve,
I had some depressing days, still emotional when I visit daily NIKIMAT.
Locally the situation is improving: aside for yesterday, half the time we have electricity, received fresh water, internet is good.
I will put it aside from you, just unsure when Saint Martin/Sint Maarten will be open to boats.
Sincerely, Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 9/17/17, Stephen Morrison steve_morrison@mac.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory.
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 9:09 AM


 









I would love to purchase it
Alex. I hope that you are finding the situation in St
Maarten to be improving. 
Steve
MorrisonSM 380
TouRai
Sent from my
iPhone
On Sep 17,
2017, at 9:53 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 






Good morning,



Just for information, I have a spare in my hotel room.

I purchase it from Amel Martinique 3 year ago.

So if anyone is interested let me know.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Lost on September 5 during Hurricane Irma at

IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 9/4/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer
pump.wired backwards from the factory.

To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com"
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Date: Monday, September 4, 2017, 9:28 PM





 



















Eric,

You are lucky to

have a new AFMA pump. We can no longer buy them.

Best

CW Bill RouseAdmiral, Texas NavyCommander EmeritusAmel
School www.amelschool.com720 Winnie StGalveston Island, TX
77550+1(832) 380-4970

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:23

PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net

[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

wrote:


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Flight from Martinique to Colombia

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Eric and Mark,

I had the problem you described in your "caution note” coming form Southampton to Curacao just 2 days ago.   I’d booked a mid day flight with 2 later flights available in order to assure my arrival in Amsterdam with a RON at the Hilton… then the weather did not cooperate and my flight was CNX’ed.  The other flights were fully booked!  

So I had to train to Gatwick, AerLingus to Dublin, KLM Cityhopper to AMS at 0535 the next am, finally my KLM to Curacao with minutes to spare. (Slept on the granite floor at the airport in DUB) !!!  NO FUN!

I suspect Eric should first book the last flight in his plan then select connectors (with great caution) to get him into the connector airport.  I expect he’d go to Carthagena.

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM 007



On 17 Sep 2017, at 09:55, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi Eric,

 

We had the same issue trying to get someone from Atlanta (ATL) to Fort-de-France (FDF). All the web sites routed through Paris and started at $6,000. Crazy! We eventually realized that the airlines flying to Martinique are not partnered with most USA airlines. I guess it is the French way to stop American tourists. 

 

We found if you ticket segments independently, you can fly from Fort-de-France (FDF) to Miami (MIA). From MIA you can fly just about anywhere in the world on a direct flight. This is crazy since there are direct American Airlines flights to FDF from MIA but these flights cannot be booked with connections to anywhere else in the USA.

 

Or the cheaper way: you can go to a larger Caribbean hub such as San Juan, PR (SJU) on Corsair and then to Bogota (BOG) on Avianca.

 

A word of caution when booking independent flight segments: It is best to book with a one night layover and pay for a hotel at the airport (or sleep at the airport). This is because if your first segment is very late and you miss the connection, you are out of luck and stuck. Because the airlines do not have any agreements, they will not rebook the connecting flight. Also, if someone goes from say FDF to MIA, they have to clear customs and immigration in MIA. They then have to go to the ticket counter and check in for the flight to BOG. Then, they may have to go back through security (unless the airline has a counter inside the terminal – most do). As you can imagine this all takes a lot of time. But, it’s better than having to connect through Paris and buying the airplane.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 2:26 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Flight from Martinique to Colombia

 

  

Hi does anyone have a brilliant idea ?

It seems like you can’t get there from here , If you know the joke.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory.

Stephen Morrison <steve_morrison@...>
 

I would love to purchase it Alex. I hope that you are finding the situation in St Maarten to be improving. 

Steve Morrison
SM 380 TouRai


On Sep 17, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Good morning,

Just for information, I have a spare in my hotel room.
I purchase it from Amel Martinique 3 year ago.
So if anyone is interested let me know.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Lost on September 5 during Hurricane Irma at
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 9/4/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory.
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, September 4, 2017, 9:28 PM


 









Eric,
You are lucky to
have a new AFMA pump. We can no longer buy them.
Best
CW Bill RouseAdmiral, Texas NavyCommander EmeritusAmel School www.amelschool.com720 Winnie StGalveston Island, TX 77550+1(832) 380-4970
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:23
PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:















 









My Amfa domestic water
pump was leaking.I removed the pump and
found that the circlip that holds the pumps shaft seal was
broken and worked its way into the side of the seal. I
removed the seal and found it also had a small chip in
it.I ordered the metric
seal from a local supplier and also the circlip from
McMaster.Being that I had a
complete spare pump I installed
it.The pump would not pump
water. I added water in the output side of the pump and it
flooded the bronze impeller.I was quire
frustrated.I assumed there was
something wrong with the new pumps impeller. I took it
apart, everything was 100%.I was working on the
saloon table and had the old pump next to the new one.
Luckily I noticed that the Square D switch was wired
backwards from the new switch. Thus the pump was running
backwards. I switched the wires and Voila-
Water.Possibly this might
help someone installing a new amfa
pump.Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376 































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Flight from Martinique to Colombia

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Eric,

 

We had the same issue trying to get someone from Atlanta (ATL) to Fort-de-France (FDF). All the web sites routed through Paris and started at $6,000. Crazy! We eventually realized that the airlines flying to Martinique are not partnered with most USA airlines. I guess it is the French way to stop American tourists.

 

We found if you ticket segments independently, you can fly from Fort-de-France (FDF) to Miami (MIA). From MIA you can fly just about anywhere in the world on a direct flight. This is crazy since there are direct American Airlines flights to FDF from MIA but these flights cannot be booked with connections to anywhere else in the USA.

 

Or the cheaper way: you can go to a larger Caribbean hub such as San Juan, PR (SJU) on Corsair and then to Bogota (BOG) on Avianca.

 

A word of caution when booking independent flight segments: It is best to book with a one night layover and pay for a hotel at the airport (or sleep at the airport). This is because if your first segment is very late and you miss the connection, you are out of luck and stuck. Because the airlines do not have any agreements, they will not rebook the connecting flight. Also, if someone goes from say FDF to MIA, they have to clear customs and immigration in MIA. They then have to go to the ticket counter and check in for the flight to BOG. Then, they may have to go back through security (unless the airline has a counter inside the terminal – most do). As you can imagine this all takes a lot of time. But, it’s better than having to connect through Paris and buying the airplane.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 2:26 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Flight from Martinique to Colombia

 

 

Hi does anyone have a brilliant idea ?

It seems like you can’t get there from here , If you know the joke.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory.

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning,

Just for information, I have a spare in my hotel room.
I purchase it from Amel Martinique 3 year ago.
So if anyone is interested let me know.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Lost on September 5 during Hurricane Irma at
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 9/4/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amfa domestic watrer pump.wired backwards from the factory.
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, September 4, 2017, 9:28 PM


 









Eric,
You are lucky to
have a new AFMA pump. We can no longer buy them.
Best
CW Bill RouseAdmiral, Texas NavyCommander EmeritusAmel School www.amelschool.com720 Winnie StGalveston Island, TX 77550+1(832) 380-4970
On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 9:23
PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









My Amfa domestic water
pump was leaking.I removed the pump and
found that the circlip that holds the pumps shaft seal was
broken and worked its way into the side of the seal. I
removed the seal and found it also had a small chip in
it.I ordered the metric
seal from a local supplier and also the circlip from
McMaster.Being that I had a
complete spare pump I installed
it.The pump would not pump
water. I added water in the output side of the pump and it
flooded the bronze impeller.I was quire
frustrated.I assumed there was
something wrong with the new pumps impeller. I took it
apart, everything was 100%.I was working on the
saloon table and had the old pump next to the new one.
Luckily I noticed that the Square D switch was wired
backwards from the new switch. Thus the pump was running
backwards. I switched the wires and Voila-
Water.Possibly this might
help someone installing a new amfa
pump.Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376 































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Pat,

I am slowly reading, in disorder, the Amel post and wanted to share my experience on the engine temperature.
The gage was showing my engine was running 195*F, I thought it was 10*F higher than normal.
So 3 years ago in Florida, a diesel company pushed me in spending over $8,000 in engine work over a 5 months period (heat exchanger cooling, re-calibrate injector, new turbo, thermostat, and so on) then my engine was running even warmer (205*F) (which we later find was due to an air pocket in the radiator - then I was glad to be back 195*F.
The gage was tested and was ok.
Then at the end I had a 2nd gage installed on the engine and it showed a 20*F cooler temperature…
So looking back I think it was the “wire” between the sensor and the gage that was getting old and showing a false reading.
Based on my experience and the fact you also have a 20*F difference between the gage and infrared gun, I suspect you have the same issue as I had.


Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Lost on September 5 during Hurricane Irma at
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA



--------------------------------------------

On Sat, 9/16/17, Patrick Mcaneny sailw32@aol.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 16, 2017, 8:18 AM


 









Mark, I
for one agree , I wish I did not have a turbo, just another
complexity , that is really not necessary . You brought up
one other issue that I am dealing with , engine temperature
. I had a new Volvo instrument panel installed a few years
ago and the temp gauge ran hot like 230 F. The mechanic
installed a 10 ohm resister  I think, in the wiring to
bring the reading down . Seemed very arbitrary to me ,
seemed to me a Volvo gauge should correctly read a Volvo
sender without regulating the signal. So I have never had
faith in the gauge and running hard 2500 rpm the gauge reads
225 F. , using a infrared gun at the thermostat I have had
readings of 200 to 205 or higher . This is another reason I
have ran slower to keep the temp. down. I clean the heat
exchanger yearly ,transmission cooler, new impeller ,etc. I
am not sure if I have an overheating problem or not , not
sure what one would expect the temp to be at the thermostat
, two different guns give me different readings and the
gauge can't be trusted.
Its always something,

Pat 

SM#123






-----Original
Message-----

From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

To: amelyachtowners
<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 5:05 pm

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs








 
























Pat,



 



Salt water is
the enemy. I am hoping someone else will chime in here as I
am not familiar
with the elbow and the exhaust set up on Volvo. You may be
getting a fine mist or
steam into the turbo. I am really not sure.



 



On the Yanmar
it is important to keep the elbow clean because carbon
coated sides can aid to
a back up of water into the turbo as the walls can retain
water once the engine
is stopped turning into salty steam. Keeping the exhaust
manifolds clean is also
a good thing.



 



Yanmar makes a
cleaner for turbos but soapy water can be used just as well.
It involves two
people, one to drive the boat above 2000 rpm and another to
spray cleaner into
the tubo (through the air intake) while it is turning at a
high rate. This
removes any carbon buildup from the turbo.



 



Diesels do need
to be run hard. We are all guilty of running for long hours
at low RPM. They really
don’t like this much. Push the throttle up for about 2-3
minutes every hour, or
so. I push mine to about 2700-2800 rpm for about 2 minutes.
This also helps to
see if the engine is cooling properly (180-195). If the heat
exchanger is
clogged, this is when its going overheat. I get nervous
about this every time I
do it. I always expect a massive explosion and parts flying
everywhere in the
engine room. So far, this hasn’t happened.



 



IMHO, turbo
chargers have no place on a boat. The theory is to add more
horses with less
weight. I would take the weight over a turbo any day. I
think this is a fine
example of a manufacturer trying to adapt a land engine for
a marine environment
without thinking it through. And, the marine market is not
large enough for a
committed marine diesel engine company. How nice would it be
to have a simple diesel
engine with a  compression release lever and a back up
crank start. Kinda like
the tractors of the old days. It’s a conspiracy to make
things more complicated
for sailors. But then again, what do I know.



 






 



With best
regards,



 



Mark



 



Skipper



Sailing Vessel
- Cream Puff



www.creampuff.us






 









From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]



Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 3:57 PM


To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com


Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs









 



 












Mark
,  What would corrode the bearings , lack of oil or the
carbon ?I just
rebuilt the turbo 500 hrs. ago for about a thousand . I
think I would prefer a
naturally aspirated engine. I just got the wastegate  free
, but put
it back together went for a spin , still at 2000 rpm tops.
It must be the
turbine , so I will take off and replace/rebuild it. That
will now be about
$2000 in the last 500 hrs. or about $4 per hour. , about the
same as fuel. This
is probably my fault for not running the engine hard enough
. From now on , I
am going to run the snot out of it, no more Mr. Nice Guy ! 







Thanks all for the
input,









Pat SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Flight from Martinique to Colombia

Jean-Pierre's MacBook Air <jgermain@...>
 

Hi Eric,

Try this link…


Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera,  SM 007


On 17 Sep 2017, at 02:26, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi does anyone have a brilliant idea ?

It seems like you can’t get there from here , If you know the joke.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading

Patrick McAneny
 

Bill, Thanks for the thermostat specs ,I was going to goggle them today. I am going to replace the thermostat , in case it is not opening all the way for some reason. To test the sender in boiling water , I guess I would need to but a cheap gauge at a parts store. Would degraded wiring or connection lower the gauge reading . We will look for you at the Boat show in Oct.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
To: amelyachtowners
Sent: Sat, Sep 16, 2017 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading

 

Pat,

Have you tried taking your suspect temperature sender out of the engine, and sticking it in a pot of boiling water?  If it does not read 212F--exactly--you then have learned for sure that it is not telling you the truth about your engine temperature.

These are themistors, and a bad connection in the wire loop can add enough resistance to the circuit that the temperature reads quite far off in a nonlinear way.  I just traced a problem with a high oil pressure reading to that cause.

My TMD22 runs at 180F at idle and 195-200 at sustained cruising speed of 2400RPM (7 knots).  170-185 is Volvo's spec for first opening of the thermostat , and 197-208 is where is it is wide open.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Solomons Island, Maryland.

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Mark, I for one agree , I wish I did not have a turbo, just another complexity , that is really not necessary . You brought up one other issue that I am dealing with , engine temperature . I had a new Volvo instrument panel installed a few years ago and the temp gauge ran hot like 230 F. The mechanic installed a 10 ohm resister  I think, in the wiring to bring the reading down . Seemed very arbitrary to me , seemed to me a Volvo gauge should correctly read a Volvo sender without regulating the signal. So I have never had faith in the gauge and running hard 2500 rpm the gauge reads 225 F. , using a infrared gun at the thermostat I have had readings of 200 to 205 or higher . This is another reason I have ran slower to keep the temp. down. I clean the heat exchanger yearly ,transmission cooler, new impeller ,etc. I am not sure if I have an overheating problem or not , not sure what one would expect the temp to be at the thermostat , two different guns give me different readings and the gauge can't be trusted.
Its always something,
Pat 
SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurricane Maria

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Eric and Amel owners,

I just look at the models.
I don’t think, here in Sint Maarten, we are going to fell much of it, except lots of rain and may be 60 or 70 mph wind.
The eye should be 60 NM South of us, so nothing comparable to the direct hit we have been through with the sustain 185 mph.

It is going on Guadeloupe or between Guadeloupe and Dominica, they are the ones to worry about.

I do feel bad for Turks & Caicos because they are likely to be hit again.

Depending of the models Puerto Rico could have some damaged on the South as well as Samana in the Dominican Republic.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Lost on the 5th of September during Hurricane Irma at
IGY Simpson Bay Marina, St Maarten, NA




--------------------------------------------

On Sun, 9/17/17, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hurricane Maria
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 17, 2017, 2:00 AM


 









I don’t know if any
of you have been tracking Hurricane Maria. Looks bad for St
Marten and the surrounding islands.I HOPE IT MOVES AWAY
!!!Fair
WindsEricKimberlite Amel Super
Maramu #376


Hurricane Maria

eric freedman
 

I don’t know if any of you have been tracking Hurricane Maria. Looks bad for St Marten and the surrounding islands.

I HOPE IT MOVES AWAY !!!

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Flight from Martinique to Colombia

eric freedman
 

Hi does anyone have a brilliant idea ?

It seems like you can’t get there from here , If you know the joke.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading

greatketch@...
 


Pat,

Have you tried taking your suspect temperature sender out of the engine, and sticking it in a pot of boiling water?  If it does not read 212F--exactly--you then have learned for sure that it is not telling you the truth about your engine temperature.

These are themistors, and a bad connection in the wire loop can add enough resistance to the circuit that the temperature reads quite far off in a nonlinear way.  I just traced a problem with a high oil pressure reading to that cause.

My TMD22 runs at 180F at idle and 195-200 at sustained cruising speed of 2400RPM (7 knots).  170-185 is Volvo's spec for first opening of the thermostat , and 197-208 is where is it is wide open.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Solomons Island, Maryland.

---In amelyachtowners@..., <sailw32@...> wrote :

Mark, I for one agree , I wish I did not have a turbo, just another complexity , that is really not necessary . You brought up one other issue that I am dealing with , engine temperature . I had a new Volvo instrument panel installed a few years ago and the temp gauge ran hot like 230 F. The mechanic installed a 10 ohm resister  I think, in the wiring to bring the reading down . Seemed very arbitrary to me , seemed to me a Volvo gauge should correctly read a Volvo sender without regulating the signal. So I have never had faith in the gauge and running hard 2500 rpm the gauge reads 225 F. , using a infrared gun at the thermostat I have had readings of 200 to 205 or higher . This is another reason I have ran slower to keep the temp. down. I clean the heat exchanger yearly ,transmission cooler, new impeller ,etc. I am not sure if I have an overheating problem or not , not sure what one would expect the temp to be at the thermostat , two different guns give me different readings and the gauge can't be trusted.
Its always something,
Pat 
SM#123


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading

greatketch@...
 

Fortunately, I am not in the market for a new engine (yet!), but it is one of those things I keep an eye on because it can come up suddenly when dealing with an aging powerplant. (7400 hours and counting)

I dislike the idea of a turbo for all the reasons listed by other people here, and some more too.  I find the turbo charged engine to be very unresponsive in close quarters maneuvering.  Power is low until the RPM builds up to engage the turbo which happens in an unpredictable amount of time after I throttle up--and always too late.  In a strong head wind and steep chop the 75HP turbo has trouble getting enough rev's to generate the power it needs to get up the power curve far enough to drive the boat.

BUT....

A Volvo D2-75 turbo engine weighs 582 pounds (264 kg). 
And the Yanmar 4JH4 turbo weighs only 482 pounds. 
Beta Marine sells a naturally aspirated 75 HP engine based on a Kubota block. A nice engine with a lot of good history. It has a nearly identical footprint to the Volvo and is even available with an isolated ground option. Looks like a very nice engine for a SM (And here is the "but", and it is a big one)... it weighs 911 pounds (414 kg)!!!  

I'll put up with the complications of a turbo to avoid carrying an extra 450 pounds in my boat. I'll still whine unattractively about the turbo, but that is a LOT of weight.  Unless somebody knows about a 600 pound naturally aspirated 75HP marine diesel.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Solomons Island, Maryland


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs and Temperature reading

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, I for one agree , I wish I did not have a turbo, just another complexity , that is really not necessary . You brought up one other issue that I am dealing with , engine temperature . I had a new Volvo instrument panel installed a few years ago and the temp gauge ran hot like 230 F. The mechanic installed a 10 ohm resister I think, in the wiring to bring the reading down . Seemed very arbitrary to me , seemed to me a Volvo gauge should correctly read a Volvo sender without regulating the signal. So I have never had faith in the gauge and running hard 2500 rpm the gauge reads 225 F. , using a infrared gun at the thermostat I have had readings of 200 to 205 or higher . This is another reason I have ran slower to keep the temp. down. I clean the heat exchanger yearly ,transmission cooler, new impeller ,etc. I am not sure if I have an overheating problem or not , not sure what one would expect the temp to be at the thermostat , two different guns give me different readings and the gauge can't be trusted.
Its always something,
Pat
SM#123

-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 5:05 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs







Pat,

Salt water isthe enemy. I am hoping someone else will chime in here as I am not familiarwith the elbow and the exhaust set up on Volvo. You may be getting a fine mist orsteam into the turbo. I am really not sure.

On the Yanmarit is important to keep the elbow clean because carbon coated sides can aid toa back up of water into the turbo as the walls can retain water once the engineis stopped turning into salty steam. Keeping the exhaust manifolds clean is alsoa good thing.

Yanmar makes acleaner for turbos but soapy water can be used just as well. It involves twopeople, one to drive the boat above 2000 rpm and another to spray cleaner intothe tubo (through the air intake) while it is turning at a high rate. Thisremoves any carbon buildup from the turbo.

Diesels do needto be run hard. We are all guilty of running for long hours at low RPM. They reallydon’t like this much. Push the throttle up for about 2-3 minutes every hour, orso. I push mine to about 2700-2800 rpm for about 2 minutes. This also helps tosee if the engine is cooling properly (180-195). If the heat exchanger isclogged, this is when its going overheat. I get nervous about this every time Ido it. I always expect a massive explosion and parts flying everywhere in theengine room. So far, this hasn’t happened.

IMHO, turbochargers have no place on a boat. The theory is to add more horses with lessweight. I would take the weight over a turbo any day. I think this is a fineexample of a manufacturer trying to adapt a land engine for a marine environmentwithout thinking it through. And, the marine market is not large enough for acommitted marine diesel engine company. How nice would it be to have a simple dieselengine with a compression release lever and a back up crank start. Kinda likethe tractors of the old days. It’s a conspiracy to make things more complicatedfor sailors. But then again, what do I know.



With bestregards,

Mark

Skipper
Sailing Vessel- Cream Puff
www.creampuff.us



From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 3:57 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs





Mark, What would corrode the bearings , lack of oil or the carbon ?I justrebuilt the turbo 500 hrs. ago for about a thousand . I think I would prefer anaturally aspirated engine. I just got the wastegate free , but putit back together went for a spin , still at 2000 rpm tops. It must be theturbine , so I will take off and replace/rebuild it. That will now be about$2000 in the last 500 hrs. or about $4 per hour. , about the same as fuel. Thisis probably my fault for not running the engine hard enough . From now on , Iam going to run the snot out of it, no more Mr. Nice Guy !

Thanks all for the input,

Pat SM#123



-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners]<amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 2:03 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs





Pat,



I am going to be the bearer ofbad news here. The blades should turn with the lightest touch. The fact yoursdon’t means the bearings are corroded. I do not know of a magic spray that canfix this. The turbo is going to have to be rebuilt or replaced. Ouch. Sorry.



But, on the bright side, youhave solved your problem.



Check a local shop for arebuild quote. If you are good with tools, you can buy rebuild kits on ebay.Youtube has videos of how to rebuild a turbo. If it were me, I’d take it to ashop for a quote.






With best regards,



Mark



Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff

www.creampuff.us





From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 1:24 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs








Mark, I just got inside the turbo, the wastegate will not open , I just put PB blaster on the outside to see ifit loosens up , the turbine turns , but not easily , not as easy as I wouldexpect. I was wondering if there was any product that would be safe to spray onthe turbine to free it up.


Thanks,


Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 12:46 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs







Pat,





You have too little powerbecause you have the incorrect mixture of air and fuel in the cylinder.





Once you get the turbo off, youshould be able to look into the turbo and see the blades. The blades shouldturn with a very slight touch. If this is the case, chances are the turbo canbe salvaged. If the blades are corroded and stuck, I would expect to see hugeamounts of black smoke as you rev up the engine with a load. I am hoping yourissue is just not this serious and the turbo can be repaired by a local shop.





One more thought, perhaps youcan put some penetrating lubricant on the lever of the waste gate. Try to getit lose. Work it open and closed until it is smooth. I wonder if it could bethis easy J.









With best regards,





Mark





Skipper


Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff


www.creampuff.us







From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:02 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs











Mark , Thank you you have been abig help. Disconnected , the lever to the wastegate does not move , so I nowknow I have a problem in the turbo. I am guessing it is stuck closed. If closedI would think I would have too much power , not to little , unless the turboitself is not spinning , stuck.



Thanks,



Pat



-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 11:36 am
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs









Hi Pat,







I am not sure. You have reachthe limit of my knowledge about this. The fact the lever is seized is a problem.The symptoms of this not working correctly would be as you have described.However, I am unfamiliar with the turbo you have. I would suggest at this pointtaking the turbo off and having a rebuild shop look at it. There are only acouple of manufactures of turbo in the world so they will know it when they seeit.







Once the lever is disconnectedthe gate or lever on the housing of the turbo should easily open and close thewaste gate inside the turbo. The resistance comes from the tension in the actuator(round thing).







With the rod disconnected, doesthe rod move in and out of the actuator? Is it the lever on the turbo housingthat is stuck? You might be able to replace just the actuator. If the corrosionis in the turbo, this is more costly.







You will want to have the wastegate set to Volvo specs. The wrong adjustment here can cause serious damage tothe engine. Again, sorry I am not that familiar with the Volvo.












With best regards,







Mark







Skipper



Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff



www.creampuff.us









From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 10:40 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] RPMs














I disconnected the arm/rod fromthe wastegate lever, I was able to push to rod towards theactuator slightly . I put vise grips on the wastegate lever and wasnot able with great effort , to move it more than 1/32 of an inch . Should Inot be able to move the lever and open and close the gate by hand? The lever ispointing straight forward , would that be open or closed? What would preventthe gate from moving ? Hate to ask all these questions, but I don't know the answers .




Thanks,




Pat SM123




-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Sep 15, 2017 9:11 am
Subject: RE: [Amel YachtOwners] RPMs











Pat,









From what you describe, I amassuming you have an external waste gate. Here is a youtube video that should giveyou an idea of how it should move: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2i_bQBEP78









You should be able to move therod a little by hand to see if it is seized.









One other thought, is the hoseto the waste gate in good condition?















With best regards,









Mark









Skipper




Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff




www.creampuff.us











From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 8:20 AM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AmelYacht Owners] RPMs

















Mark, So you are saying , that Ishould easily be able to move the lever arm and the connected rod on the turbo? I could not move it at all . With the engine running and as I push thethrottle up , what should I expect to see , would there be a noticeablemovement ? This could be it , maybe the gate is stuck open or closed , whichwould have to impact rpms.I will disconnect the arm and see if I can move the lever on the turbo .If I can , then maybe the problem is with the circular part that the arm isconnected to. I don,tunderstand what this part does. Does it expand and contract , thus moving thearm/lever ? I appreciate you taking your time to help me sort this out. I havea friend that had a beautiful 45' Cabo Rico , he has said manytimes , he wished they had a group such as we do , to help sort problems out .The Amel group is perhapsone of the best reasons for purchasing an Amel.





Thanks Again,





Pat





SMShenanigans





-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Sep 14, 201710:13 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel YachtOwners] RPMs













Pat,











Forgot to say, yes you shouldbe able to move it easily.


















With best regards,











Mark











Skipper





Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff





www.creampuff.us













From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 3:00 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AmelYacht Owners] RPMs




















Mark, The prop is clean , thelinkage is ok , the fuel filters are new and I see no signs of leakage on anyfuel line. I just took off the exhaust elbow and it was clean , even shiny , except was a few small clumps of mush seemingly oil soaked , maybe ateaspoon total. I took off the turbo shield and the short rod that controls thewaste gate is rusty as well as the circular piece where it enters. I could notmove the rod , should I be able to ? Could my problem be a stuck wast gate ?






Thanks,






Pat SM#123






-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 7:00 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel YachtOwners] RPMs















Pat, the fact you can get to3000rpm in neutral doesn’ttell us much. It is the load that is causing the problem. The engine is notgenerating enough energy to offset the applied load. Fuel is energy. Thisusually means fuel issues. The more load, the more fuel is needed to create thehorsepower.













Where you able to get to 3000rpm right before you changed the filters? Or, was this something you did to tryto fix the issue?













Here are some additionalthoughts on fuel:













Do you have a lift pump forfuel? (not sure on the Volvo and your Amel). If so check the diaphragm,






Air in fuel lines (connectionsloose). The engine will pull air rather than fuel if it can.






O-rings sitting correctly onfuel filter give a good seal?






If you changed the fuel filteris the new one sitting correctly and sealed?













A couple of other thoughts:













Check for blockage in exhausthose (not enough air to burn fuel)






I know you said you cleaned theprop but is it possible something is caught in it (piece of rope or fishingline)













Let’s hope it is something thissimple J



































With best regards,













Mark













Skipper






Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff -SM2K - #275






Currently cruising - Grenada






www.creampuff.us















From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:42 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AmelYacht Owners] RPMs























Mark, Thanks for getting back . Iused the same and correct filters. I observed that the linkage moved forwardwell beyond the 2200 point , but no further increase in rpms. The engine seems to runsmoothly , if it were an injector would you have a noticeable telltale ? Is thefact that in neutral It gets to 3000 rpm mean anything?







Thanks,







Pat







-----Original Message-----
From: 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
To: amelyachtowners <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 11, 2017 4:57 pm
Subject: RE: [Amel YachtOwners] RPMs

















Pat,















Here is a great page to giveyou some additional thoughts: https://www.sbmar.com/articles/understanding-low-power-troubleshooting/















White smoke is usually a signof not enough air intake or failing fuel injector(s). However, white smoke isusually pretty noticeable. You say “a little white smoke” so I would not thinkit is an indication.















Also, another common issue mostpeople do not check is the throttle linkage. Can you get RPM if you go down tothe engine an manually move the throttle?















Else, I would start with thefuel system and work from there.







“replaced both fuelfilters” did you replace them with the same type?















Tubofailure will usually pump out black smoke.
















With best regards,















Mark















Skipper







Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff -SM2K - #275







Currently cruising - Grenada







www.creampuff.us

















From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:50 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AmelYacht Owners] RPMs


























I have not been able to get above2200 rpms , normally Ihave always gotten to 3000 at full throttle on my Volvo TMD 22A . I justcleaned my fixed prop and replaced both fuel filters , still won't go beyond 2200 rpm. It willget above 3000 rpm in neutral and I notice a little white smoke. Any thoughtson what could cause the limited rpmsin gear . I rebuilt the turbo 3 years ago. Any thoughts would be appreciated.







I just read that the military haslanded in the BVIs and St.Martin to restore order . That has to be a relief to those stuck there . Ourthoughts and good wishes to everyone impacted by Irma.







Thanks,







Pat







SMShenanigans


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: motors for outhaul and furling

Bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

Thanks Kent!

On Sep 15, 2017, at 11:15 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

sav "at" amel "dot" fr

+33 5 46 55 00 75

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM 243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: motors for outhaul and furling

Bob Sarff <bob.sarff@...>
 

Great!  Thanks for getting back to me.

Bob

On Sep 15, 2017, at 7:21 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bob,

You contact Maud normally on email   sav at amel dot fr
But recently she has been using sav_1 at amel dot fr
Hope that helps
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Genacker

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Paul,

Maybe this will help:
Luff of Amel SM Genoa = 16.98 meters, Foot = 6.25 meters

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus

Amel School  http://www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970








On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 4:59 PM, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We are looking for a second hand genacker, and thought we might find one at Bacon Sails in Annapolis, but I do not know the length for the luff and foot, I have searched the forum but could not find it.

Does anyone know the approx measures?

Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 currently in Annapolis 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New anchor chain

Paul Osterberg
 

Paul
We have 100 meters now so additional 20 meters would not make much change.
A few times we would have liked to have 120 meters such as when anchored at Volcano (Liparian islands) 30 m depth and waiting out a gale.
We have the Emek Solar Arc, rather heavy so no risk we will dip the bow to low.I know one should have weight in the center but that is difficult on a live aboard cruiser. Boating is a constant compromising 
Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259


Genacker

Paul Osterberg
 

We are looking for a second hand genacker, and thought we might find one at Bacon Sails in Annapolis, but I do not know the length for the luff and foot, I have searched the forum but could not find it.

Does anyone know the approx measures?

Paul on SY Kerpa SM 259 currently in Annapolis 


Searching for maramu pole ends

smiles bernard
 

Hi there
I'm looking for pole ends for a 85 maramu

Specifically the outboard ends of the short pole that attach to the mast and rest in the shrouds.

If anyone knows where or how I'd be really interested to hear from them

Many thanks
Miles
Seal love
Maramu #162