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Re: Air Conditioning in a Santorin

jandrkennedy@...
 

Perfect - Herbert.

I am Thinking the Fans might be the answer - but I am definitely "googling" the Seawater units now.
And thank you.
Jim


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

Mark Erdos
 

We should also be in the neighborhood by then.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season – STILL

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

 

 

Hello Bill,
I will still be there!
Looking forward to meet you!

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 11/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 4:18 PM


 









Alexandre,
We’ll be headed your way once
we get work done here in Florida.  We might even get there
by January!

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieFort Lauderdale, FL“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Nov 16, 2016, at 17:09,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]
wrote:
One of my neighbors just told
me, he saw a boat like mine anchor near Tortola.  
Would love to meet
other Amel owner. 
Will be staying in
the BVI until the end of January. 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Bill,
I will still be there!
Looking forward to meet you!

Alexandre



--------------------------------------------

On Wed, 11/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 4:18 PM


 









Alexandre,
We’ll be headed your way once
we get work done here in Florida.  We might even get there
by January!

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieFort Lauderdale, FL“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Nov 16, 2016, at 17:09,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
One of my neighbors just told
me, he saw a boat like mine anchor near Tortola.  
Would love to meet
other Amel owner. 
Will be staying in
the BVI until the end of January. 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Alexandre,

We’ll be headed your way once we get work done here in Florida.  We might even get there by January!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Nov 16, 2016, at 17:09, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

One of my neighbors just told me, he saw a boat like mine anchor near Tortola.  
Would love to meet other Amel owner. 
Will be staying in the BVI until the end of January. 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI



[Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

One of my neighbors just told me, he saw a boat like mine anchor near Tortola.
Would love to meet other Amel owner.
Will be staying in the BVI until the end of January.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

karkauai
 

Cool, thanks, Bill.
Kent


Re: Air Conditioning in a Santorin

Herbert Lackner
 

Jim,

 

we have a portable Aircon (Seawater cooled) on our Santorin.  It works very good, but the only time we used it was in South Italy in July (and we were really glad to have it – 40 degrees C and no wind). The many months we spent on the Atlantic and in the Carribean we never decided to turn it on…  two fans and – most important -  a self-made-construction with a piece of wood, some moskito-net and two „Silent-Run-PC-Fans“ that I put into the small window from the cockpit to the aft-cabin keep KALI MERA well ventilated and cool enough.  The construction with the two PC-fans is great, draws minimal amps, is very silent and runs day and night. 

 

Btw: There is enough space in the engine room behind the batteries to install an AC, but you might will need this space later for a watermaker as we did…

 

Herbert

SN120, KALI MERA, Trinidad


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Steve,

   Congratulations!  I am pretty sure that Super Sailmakers made a complete suit for Delos and their is a You tube video that shows the loft.  I have had some contact with SSM and they told me that they have made sails for a lot of other Amels but I have not verified this.  

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 16, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Stephen MORRISON steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi all,


Last week we became the new caretakers of SM2K #380.  She was originally named Feria and then Lady T, and is now Tourai.  Like a few others here, we are looking at new sails and will meet next week with Peter Grimm of Super Sailmakers in Ft. Lauderdale.  Has anyone else used them for their Amels?  He mentioned that he was putting together a couple ballooners at the moment and so I am curious if perhaps Harmonie is headed that way to pick up theirs from him?  Thanks to all for such a wonderfully active, supportive, and particularly useful user group.  

All the best,
Steve Morrison



On Nov 16, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James,


From a slightly different perspective…

You are certainly right, changing from a 150% on a foil to a smaller sail in wind conditions where that would actually be  needed, is a real handful for a short handed crew.  Corralling that sail coming down is not something that one or even two people can easily handle in 25 knots of wind and a seaway.  It can be done… but it’s not my idea of fun.

I have found from experience that rigging a GaleSail most certainly IS a challenge.  Of course it is!  You only do it when the wind is blowing the oysters off the rocks and the bow is underwater half the time!  But it is no worse than taking down a large hanked-on sail and putting up a smaller one.  When you see comments about them, you have to remember that everybody who buys one has a roller furling jib, and the idea of going forward to install a new sail in rough conditions is not something they are used to. Having said that, I don’t have one on my Amel, and it isn’t on my list of things to add.

I think you would find the difference in performance between a roller furling 150% and a 135% to be very small, except under a very narrow range of wind speeds and angles.  Especially if the large sail is heavy enough to be useful in heavy winds, it then collapses in the light winds that should be its forte.  While it is certainly true that a sail that comes down as low to the deck as possible is more efficient, the loss of visibility to leeward can be a big deal if you sail shorthanded where there are other boats or obstacles around. I watched somebody run down hard on a buoy they didn’t see coming under their big decksweeping genoa. Is small performance difference worth the extra hassle?  That is something only you can answer for yourself.  It’s just a priority thing. I don’t let Formula 1 drivers tell me how to set up my car, and I don’t let racing sailors tell me how to rig my boat.

I have sailed boats with vertical battens in the mainsail.  I found them to be fussy on rolling.  Not impossible or fatally flawed, just fussy. The very opposite of a standard Amel mainsail, but some people are fine with the the bit of fussy needed. Again, priorities.  If your sailmaker convinces you that they are the way to go, I would insist on a guarantee they work--for you--the way you sail--and a free recut to a batten-less hollow leech if you are not happy.  Again, there is, of course, a performance penalty for the hollow leech when close hauled, but it is not huge.  And on other points of sail, it would be almost unnoticeable.  The best argument in favor of battens might be to reduce leech flutter and help the sail last longer.

One consideration: Can you get the sail out and useful if the engine is not available to help hold the boat into the wind?  Engines are not 100% reliable, and the ability to put up sail in an emergency is not something I would trade for a small performance benefit. If the jib alone will hold you high enough into the wind to get out the mainsail, then good enough.

Lot’s of good sailmakers in the world, many with Amel sail experience.  I needed a new ballooner recently, and I crossed off everybody on my list who didn’t know what that was.  


Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Nov 16, 2016, at 10:37, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James,

You asked: "Can anyone tell me if the special Amel locking mechanism for the ballooner which allows the removal of the halyard is adaptable to the Maramu?"

The swivel is what needs to be changed and I understand from a rigger in Malta that the swivel is available, but since I never looked into it, I am not sure where. Possibly from Amel. You would need the swivel, a 3 slot foil, a "hooker" and a "de-hooker."

Since you would need a 3-slot foil, I am not sure that you would consider this unless you were replacing the foil.

Several SM owners have bought tri-radial cut hydranet sails from a sailmaker in Ismir, Turkey. I have toured the loft and was impressed. All that I know bought from them, are as satisfied as we were. They ship worldwide. Email: Tahsin Oge ogemar.com>. 

I do not have direct experience with a Maramu, but I would NOT use vertical battens in a Super Maramu furling mast. It was not made to accommodate battens and you will have some issues with wear and the ability to furl at any angle other than the wind at 0 degrees...and the difficulty is proportional with the wind speed.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 10:45 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Kent,


   Many thanks for your response to my questions about Amel sail inventory and especially the details of your experience with the battens.  

   Based just on this seasons sailing on Sueno, I agree with you that the original 150 Genoa is a very good solution for my boat and apparently yours as well.  It is a pretty big sail to store in a locker while a smaller sail is installed on the furler such as a working jib or the 110 Yankee cut sail that you mentioned.   All of my previous boats had hank on sails, which are relatively easy to control and change offshore due to the many fastening points.  On a furling sail that slides into a groove and is essentially free once lowered I cannot imagine that changing from the 150 to the 110 offshore in a bit of wind would be much fun.   This is why I was wondering about the Code 0 option.  It is a lightly made sail that hoists on a halyard ahead of the furler.  The sail is on a line furler so that when hoisted it is rolled up and can be lowered in the same state.  The Code 0 could be a significantly  larger than the 150 Genoa and would pack down into a smaller/lighter package when stowed.  This would allow the smaller jib to live permanently on the furler.  My Amel and the furling system in general is relatively new to me, so comments such as yours are a big help in making the right decisions on the new sails.  

   I have not read many positive things about the Gale sail and have never used one to date.  I wonder if there is a risk of damage to the furled sail from chafe?

   I do strongly feel that I want to have a headsail solution available on my boat that is strong enough to use deeply reefed and is easy to tack.  

   And yes, it is certainly possible these days with careful planning to avoid most of the higher wind conditions.  Our planned route will take us around South Africa however and that is one example where I think it may come down to the luck of the draw and I want to be ready…

   I have not yet used the double pole arrangement for downwind sailing but spinnakers I are not a good option for cruising in my mind either.  

   Can anyone tell me if the special Amel locking mechanism for the ballooner which allows the removal of the halyard is adaptable to the Maramu? 

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy
 
On Nov 15, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi James,
I have an SM, so not entirely the same...but here is my experience.

When I purchased Kristy 8 years ago, the sails had been discarded.  I was starting with a clean slate, but didn't know very much.  She's my first sailboat.

I knew that the original set of sails included a 150% genoa, but allowed myself to be talked down to a 135% by a sailmaker in Kemah, Texas.  He said that I wouldn't have good sail shape by the time I reefed to 15-18 kts of wind.  He may have been right, but as light winds are more of a problem than too much wind, I regret not having the 150.  In addition, the 135 is cut with the clew 1.2 meters above the safety rail.  This further reduces my sail area in light air.  If I were to do it again, I would have a 150 with the fo ot just above the safety rail. (Assuming that it would still work well with the downwind pole.)

I also have a 110 Genoa with a high cut clew, almost a Yankee.  It is my go-to sail in the Eastern Caribbean during the winter months when the trades blow 20-25 kts all the time.

The main and mizzen have short vertical battens that have never been a problem.  You just have to keep the boom at 90 degrees to the mast when furling in or out.  Watch the battens as they enter the mast, they should enter all at once, not at any angle.

My sails are 8 years old and still look very good.  They are Dacron with Spectra and I was told they should last 12-15 years.  They aren't racing sails, but they do what I want them to do very well.

If I am still sailing when my current sails need replacing, I don't think I'd change anything except that I'd go with the 150 genoa.

I have a spinnaker that came with the boat, but I've never used it.  Anyone interested?  Pay for shipping and you can have it.  I love the double pole rig for downwind sailing.

I also have a Gale Sail that straps around the furled headsail. I put it up once but have never actually used it to sail with....I try to stay out of those conditions.  I've been in 35-40 kts a couple of times, both times with the 110 Yankee up. She did great jib and jigger with the 110 furled about 20% and the mizzen at the spreader.

Don't know if that helps you at all, jus t recounting my experience.  I don't really have anything to compare it to.

Steady as she goes.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243











Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: New sails

James Alton
 

Dave,

   It is great to have a sailmaker and previous Maramu owner respond to my questions!   Sueno has the double spreader Nirvana mast which is taller than the original single spreader spar.  Except for the lack of raked spreaders,  it looks very similar to the SM spar to me.  I was told that the spar section is actually the same as the SM but I would like to get some confirmation on that…does anyone know?

   Can you give me some idea of how much more stable the radial Hydranet is as compared to the top Dacron?  I have seen so many in mast furling mains with a flapping leech and often the sail is only a few years old.  The flapping makes me a little crazy...  (grin)  Is the Hydranet a good way to keep the leech stable?

   Some great information on battens.  My understanding is that the shape of the leech has a lot to do with the upwind performance of a sail.  Setting the SA increase aside, do battens help with the exit shape of the main/mizzen?  What is your guess on the increased SA in going from a concave leech to a straight one?   I was pretty sure that I did not want the full length battens, now they are not even on the list…
 
   The plan is to use the boat in the Mediterranean for about 3 years part time to get to know the boat.  Do a big refit at my shop in Florida and to then do a normal Westward Circumnavigation via South Africa rather than the Red Sea.  If we aren’t tired of sailing after that we might set off again to see the many places that we are bound to hear about after they are hundreds or thousands of miles upwind on the first time around.  The plan is to route where possible to keep the wind aft of the beam and divert/change our destination when Mother Nature changes her mind in a big way.

   Yes, we have the downwind twin poles, they appear to be very similar to the SM.  We have a Balloner that appears to be new, along with a mizzen staysail which we really like and used a lot this season.

   We do have one oddity in that we enjoy daysailing quite a lot even while cruising.  When daysailing, speed is a lot less important to us than having a headsail that is easy to tack which is one reason we are interested in a smaller headsail.  I also want to have a sail inventory aboard that would give us the best chance of beating out of tight situation under sail alone in the event that the engine was out of commission.  It would be really helpful to get some idea of what size jib with the proper foam luff could be reefed down to a storm jib size while retaining a good shape.

   Yes, I am quite familiar with the fact that light sails do better when rolling around with little wind.  This is one of the reasons I am asking questions about my options to set a large efficient headsail on Sueno while leaving a headsail on the Amel furler that was good for 12 knots and up.

   Yes, I know that the line furlers are pricey..  They appear to be pretty easy to handle however since the furled sail is low windage going up and coming down.  Do they tend to pack down into a smaller package than a sock?

   Yes, it would be great to see the photo of one of your mains.  Lokiyawl2 at Aol.com.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy


On Nov 16, 2016, at 1:30 PM, dave_benjamin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James,

I'm a sailmaker who used to own a Maramu myself (hull #29) and I've supplied sails for several Amel owners. Here are some thoughts I have regarding your questions:

1. Cloth - The Maramu sails are fairly small since it's a split rig. Smaller sails don't experience the loads that larger sails experience. Radial Hydranet is an excellent cloth but very expensive. If you're planning long distance cruising, it has some advantages. On a Maramu, the one sail it makes the most sense for is the genoa. If you have lots of money to spend, then no harm in building the main and mizzen with it. For the mizzen, I'd be quite comfortable with a high quality crosscut Dacron. With the Super Maramu, the sails are all a bit larger so we can more easily justify more exotic sailcloth. On my ow n Maramu, I built the working sails from very high quality crosscut Dacron. If I had more money at the time, I probably would have done the genoa differently. 

2. Mainsail battens - When we build furling mains, we have 3 choices and it's important to understand the role battens play. 

A) - No battens
Advantage is simplicity and reliability. Without battens we have to have leech hollow so we lose some area and some upwind drive. 

B) - Battens that reduce or eliminate leech hollow
When we build a furling main, this is the most common way we approach it. If we want to reduce the possibility of a furling main jamming, the best approach is to have short vertical battens that don't ov erlap one another. By designing the sail in this manner we can eliminate almost all of the leech hollow. I'd be happy to send a photo of one of these mains to you if you'd like. 

C) - Battens to provide positive roach
I think people who want positive roach mainsails should have bought a boat with a conventional mainsail rather than furling main. These sails are the most likely to cause problems. One of my colleagues who manages a sail loft on the US east coast has spent a lot of time modifying positive roach furling mainsails into mainsails with a straight leech. 

3. Genoa size
Do you have the twin downwind pole arrangement for your boat? As for genoa size, it's hard to recommend without knowing what your sailing plans are. Many of the Caribbean bas ed Amels use smaller headsails successfully. 

4. Cruising Code 0
I really don't like this term because the term Code Zero refers to a very specific type of racing sail that has to meet certain girth requirements and is nothing like a cruising sail. So we named our version the CLASS (Cruisers Light Air Sail Solution). We usually fly this sail with an ATN spinnaker sleeve since foil-less furler installations can be a bit expensive and because it's a light air sail, there is no reason to not go on deck and retrieve it. We have a couple of different approaches when we build this sail for an Amel and it just depends on whether the client uses the twins for downwind sailing. If so we optimize the sail design to be more of a reaching sail since it will generally be used above 150 deg apparent. This sail is particularly useful for clients who have opted for a smaller genoa. The CLASS has a nicely defined shoulder and drives the boat well in light air. Trying to sail an Amel in light air with a traditional furling genoa is a bit frustrating because the cloth  is so heavy and then weighted down even more with a suncover on the leech and foot. 

---In amelyachtowners@..., wrote :

Hello,

   It is time for a new set of working sails for Sueno and I was hoping to get some input on what seems to work out the best.  I am considering the tri-radial hydranet for the cloth but open to other options.  I am undecided about whether to add battens to the main and mizzen.  I note that some are now using the short vertical battens to straighten the leech and in some cases full length battens to allow a bit of roach in the main and mizzen.  While the additional sail area is certainly interesting to me, I am concer ned about the possibility of a batten getting jammed in the spar on some dark night with the wind rising...  It would be great to hear from others to see how battens worked out..or not.  Another decision that I trying to make is what to do about the foredeck sail(s).  I know that my large genoa does not set well when reefed deeply and is prone to being stretched.  Would it be good to have a working jib to 110 with a foam luff for this usage?  If so should I also have a normal sized Genoa?  It would be a big help to hear about what light air sails seem to work well on the Amel.  Has anyone installed a code 0 and if so how did that work out?


Thanks for any input.


James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220

Arbatax,  Italy




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Kent,

Absolutely a sailmaker can add a foam luff to an existing sail.  I did it myself to a jib on my old boat.

I had a jib where instead of foam, a pocket was made with sailcloth and lengths of line were sewn in to add the bulk needed for proper shaped furling. Also worked well.  Maybe even better.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Nov 16, 2016, at 15:32, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Bill, or anyone, do you know if the foam luff can be added to an existing sail?  I fit your description perfectly. "I see a lot of SM with new sails and the owner omitted this option, but complains about furled sail shape."  I don't remember the foam being an option when I bought my sails.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

karkauai
 

Welcome and congratulations, Steve!

I hope we get to meet and swap stories over a beer/wine/rum some time.

Fair winds and steady as she goes.
Kent
SM243
Kristy


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

karkauai
 

Bill, or anyone, do you know if the foam luff can be added to an existing sail?  I fit your description perfectly. "I see a lot of SM with new sails and the owner omitted this option, but complains about furled sail shape."  I don't remember the foam being an option when I bought my sails.

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning in a Santorin

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Jim,

Well, this is a forum, so everyone has his opinion, suggestion, etc.
but the advices given to me were good and I want to share them.

If you go to Europe, I am sure you heard of Olivier, he is in my opinion and many people’s opinion, “the” reference for Amel since he worked there for many years…
Have you looked at Amel in the Caribbean?
I purchase my Super Maramu from Caraibe Yachts:
http://www.caraibe-yachts.com/en/usedboats.php?search=builder&builder=1&length=0:0&pg=1

My understanding is that Santorin and Super Maramu share many concept, parts.
so if you have not look at the Bow Thruster maintenance (due every 2 years), look at the following illustration (originally written by Gary Silver with annotation from Bill Rouse):
http://nikimat.com/bow_thruster_overhaul.html

I am trying as I go to post more of these.

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Wed, 11/16/16, jandrkennedy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning in a Santorin
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 1:44 PM


 









Alexandre,

thanks so much for taking the time to reply -
actually upon reflection - your advise with the fans is
great, and more so - do not change anything for a good
period of time.
I missed out on a boat
locally so - most likely I will be heading to Europe in
April next year as it seems most are located there  and
spending some time there before starting our Journey back.
 I will be (actually already are) - for Santorins in the US
Area also.  And in around march I will plan to ask the
group if anyone knows of any that might be
for sale.
Again - great thoughts - and I would also
add - that the group here is also one of the reasons I have
chosen an Amel after 12 months looking at all sorts of other
choices from IP, HR etc. 
So really look forward to next year - it has
been my dream and goal for a long time now - and having to
plan, work really hard etc - I am so looking
forward.
Thanks
againJim









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning in a Santorin

jandrkennedy@...
 

Alexandre,
If come to Europe to get an Amel - then I will plan to be there for a season before crossing the Atlantic and I too would hope to be in the same port - I will certainly be in touch - and thanks for taking the time to reply it helps in the whole process so much.

Jim


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning in a Santorin

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello James,

Always a pleasure to read your messages.
I really hope we meet one day, but one of us, will have to cross the Atlantic!

I also look at hundreds of boat over the last 20 years (I design and maintain web site for many boat broker/dealers).
So I had the chance to go to many boat show, including for use boats, etc.

What attract me with the Amel is the access for the maintenance as maintenance is unavoidable…
But now I like just about everything on them.
Just last night, I show my boat to my neighbors, a couple who manager a charter company (Dufour and Lagoon), they keep repeating how strong is the boat.

The Genoa and Main were changed by the previous owner, I just replaced the Mizzen 3 years ago.

My pleasure for the illustration, I just posted how to adjust the voltage on the Onan and replace the transmission cooler.

I think the worst I read for the electricity is actually in Grenada… I think I read like $1.00/kwh…

Totally agree Hella fan are not what they used to be… I have to cut in half wine cork to avoid some of the vibrations…
I actually purchased the “Muffin” (or computer fan) as Bill (Rouse) recommended (I do just about everything Bill recommend!!!) but am yet to connect them.

Since you mentioned “Dorade”, I always ask myself why Amel don’t have any dorades, I am sure there is a good explanation, may be Olivier knows!

Sincerely, Alexandre




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On Wed, 11/16/16, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning in a Santorin
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 1:42 PM


 









Alexandre,
   I spent years looking at all
kinds of boats.. and I consider myself to be pretty
particular.  What sold me on the Amel was inspecting the
design and construction details in person.  I  have been
in the boat repair business all of my life so I have been
through a lot boats and these boats really stand out IMO.
 Some of the design concepts built into these boats  are
simply brilliant.
  Your advice to not change
anything for 2 years is great advice that I have given
myself and agree with!  One of the reasons that we selected
Sueno is because she is almost completely original, very
little modification.  The original genoa is unfortunately
now unusable and the leech in both the main and mizzen are
badly stretched..so a decision about sails needs to be
made. 
    I really appreciate all of
the fantastic input that I have been getting even when some
of it seems contradictory.
   Yes, a friend of mine spent
as much as $1,800 in the Bahamas per month and much of that
was running the AC.  I am familiar with the Hella fans,
they unfortunately can become quite irritating from the
noises that they make as the bushings wear and they near
death!  You can get 12 (or 24) volt Muffin fans that have
true ball bearings that can last tens of thousands of hours.
 It is possible to select some that are almost completely
silent as well and very low power draw.  I have one that
has been running in a dorade bent on a boat now for over 6
years 24/7 (110V) and it is still quiet.  You need to
create your own mount unfortunately but I think the effort
is worth it.
Best,
James AltonSV Sueno,  Maramu #220Arbatax,  Italy
On Nov 16, 2016, at 3:18 PM,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Hello Jim, 

First congratulations for having
picked an Amel.  

I can not answer your question,
but here is suggestion I was given when I purchased my Super
Maramu. 
Don’t change
anything for at least a year.  

I waited 2 years and all the
little things I wanted to add, modify, etc. were not that
necessary.  
If I may ask, where
will you be sailing? Short term and long term?  

I spent 2 summers in the Bahamas
where the electricity was so expensive (ranging from $0.60
to $0.75Kwh) that I rarely switch the air conditioning
on…  
instead I added 3
additional Hella fan in the bedroom and 2 more in the
salon.  
I also made awning
which cover the entire boat.  

This summer (2016), I was in
Puerto Rico, with very cheap electricity ($0.16/Kwh) so I
could have use the air conditioning all day long, but I got
accustomed not using it and I didn’t want to spoil myself
as my next destination was the BVI and electricity costs:
$0.40 Kwh.  

Just to provide some additional
information:
From
memory, the Hella have a lifespan of 2000 hours, in my case
they last 1 year… (7 hours per night in the cabin or 8
hours a day in the salon). 
They cost with
shipping $85 each.  
Since this summer,
instead of using the Hella, I use 10” Honeywell 110 Volt
fan which costs $18 and use a step down or inverter to power
them.  
They consume 0.25
Amp at 120 Volt.  
It is too recent to
know the lifespan but I am quite happy with the
savings.  

Just sharing.  

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI

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On Wed,
11/16/16, jandrkennedy@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht
Owners] Air Conditioning in a Santorin
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday,
November 16, 2016, 12:42 PM


 









I am going to purchase a
Santorin April -
May next year.  I am writing to ask if
anyone has installed Air
Conditioning in a Santorin.  Is
there enough space in the Engine
Bay, and can the electrics
handle it.
Any advice would be
appreciated.
Jim









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Ian and Linda,

   I really enjoyed reading your response and appreciated getting your input.  Sueno has the Nirvana double spreader mast which might be the same rig as on your boat?  If so,  I was told that this is the same mast section used on the Super Maramu,  it would be great to get a confirmation on this.  If this is true, then it would seem logical that there may be more room inside our masts than in the Super Maramu due to our smaller sails?  I am still on the fence on the batten question but this helps,  I really appreciate the input.

   It is certainly possible to store the unused jib or genoa on Sueno but it is a pretty big item.  

   I am really leaning towards the Hydranet because I have seen so many flapping leeches on in mast furling sails.  As you point out, the Dacron sails can have a very long life expectancy but the Hydranet is apparently much more stable and resistant to stretching.  

  So does your Santorin have the triple groove foil with the lock for the ballooner? 

  Great input on the foam luff.  I am not sure of what the difference is but we could see pretty well under our original genoa so it must set a bit higher.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

  

On Nov 16, 2016, at 12:56 PM, parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James

Like Kent I don’t have a wealth of experience to make judgements on. But for my pennyworth here are my experiences.

On my previous boat,  Jeanneau 37, I was persuaded to have my new mainsail with  short vertical battens to increase the leach area. From the start the sail would jam until I recognised what Kent does – watch carefully when furling the mainsail to ensure the battens are absolutely vertical to the slot. The jamming, which I experienced again furling in very heavy weather, did stretch the leach of the sail. In part the sailmaker was to blame for not inspecting the mast slot which was quite narrow due to the plastic inserts which protected the sail fabric. The other bit of blame goes down to my lack of experience in boats and sails at that time.

 

Amels have a much more generous slot and I have yet to hear of a sail ever getting stuck when furling. I have great faith in mine.

 

We bought our Santorin in the Med and sailed it back to Wales for a refit. We crossed Biscay very comfortably in 40 knots of wind on the stern quarter with a furled genoa. We subsequently cruised the West Coast of Scotland in heavy weather. The boat was brilliant, but the genoa did not furl well. It had no foam luff and therefor many creases after the first couple of rolls. This did affect its windward sailing.

 

In the Cape Verdes a fellow cruiser took some photos of us under full sail, and I was alarmed at the shape of the genoa. Every panel was stretched and the sail no longer a smooth curve!

 

However the material was still very sound and we crossed the Atlantic with 7 of the 13 days under poled out genoa and ballooner. We had used the ballooner down the Moroccan coast for 3 days. We don’t reef at nightfall at all on the boat as it is so easy to reef whenever required (we sail just the two of us). We did get 35 knots blow up one night and just furled the two headsails down to almost pocket handkerchiefs and ran downwind till the wind died down in the morning.

 

In Trinidad last season we had a new Genoa made. Ullman sails looked at the main and mizzen and said they were good for a few more miles, but replaced the leaches which had stretched a bit – they do get the most wear. He advised us to have a 135% genoa which I wondered about, but in the end decided to go with (plus a foam luff).

 

This has been wonderful in the Caribbean. Sets well, reefs well. Most importantly for us ( a cruising couple) we can see forward under the genoa much better without constantly having to stretch out over the rail to see ahead.

 

We haven’t had the opportunity to use twin headsails again in the last 3 years, so I can’t make any comment there.

 

My only advice is to consider your sailing plans (including crew). How much do you want to sail fast (ok all of us do) vs comfortable cruising? How much downwind sailing will you do. (only 50% of our Atlantic crossing allowed the twin headsails, and none since then).

One question to ask is do you have room to keep your old genoa – the shape of it doesn’t matter downwind. We didn’t have the space on our Santorin so it had to go.

 

A final point, from a cruiser perspective, unless it blows a force 4 and above we generally end up sailing motor assisted, but at 70 years old dancing on the foredeck now only appeals with the right music and in a decent anchorage!

 

Good luck with your decision!

 

Ian and Linda

 

Ocean Hobo  SN96

 

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel Maramu bow thruster service.

Richard03801 <richard03801@...>
 

You can replace the both seals inside the boat by putting a hose clamp around the tube removing the mounting screws at the top letting the bow thruster  drop a few inches putting the new seals around the tube placing another hose clamps around the tube. The. Cut the old seals free and tap the new lip seal into place  pull the unit up attach the screws and that job is done. 


Fair Winds Smooth Sailing 
Capt Richard Piller
Newport RI 
Cell 603 767 5330

On Nov 14, 2016, at 15:31, sail2live@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

The large upper seal on our Maramu thruster does not appear removable from above, I.e. from inside the boat.  Has anyone replaced the thruster seals on a maramu while the boat is in the water?
Out boat is a 1987 Maramu, currently in Ft Lauderdale.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning in a Santorin

jandrkennedy@...
 

Alexandre,

thanks so much for taking the time to reply - actually upon reflection - your advise with the fans is great, and more so - do not change anything for a good period of time.

I missed out on a boat locally so - most likely I will be heading to Europe in April next year as it seems most are located there  and spending some time there before starting our Journey back.  I will be (actually already are) - for Santorins in the US Area also.  And in around march I will plan to ask the group if anyone knows of any that might be for sale.

Again - great thoughts - and I would also add - that the group here is also one of the reasons I have chosen an Amel after 12 months looking at all sorts of other choices from IP, HR etc. 

So really look forward to next year - it has been my dream and goal for a long time now - and having to plan, work really hard etc - I am so looking forward.

Thanks again
Jim


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning in a Santorin

James Alton
 

Alexandre,

   I spent years looking at all kinds of boats.. and I consider myself to be pretty particular.  What sold me on the Amel was inspecting the design and construction details in person.  I  have been in the boat repair business all of my life so I have been through a lot boats and these boats really stand out IMO.  Some of the design concepts built into these boats  are simply brilliant.

  Your advice to not change anything for 2 years is great advice that I have given myself and agree with!  One of the reasons that we selected Sueno is because she is almost completely original, very little modification.  The original genoa is unfortunately now unusable and the leech in both the main and mizzen are badly stretched..so a decision about sails needs to be made. 

    I really appreciate all of the fantastic input that I have been getting even when some of it seems contradictory.

   Yes, a friend of mine spent as much as $1,800 in the Bahamas per month and much of that was running the AC.  I am familiar with the Hella fans, they unfortunately can become quite irritating from the noises that they make as the bushings wear and they near death!  You can get 12 (or 24) volt Muffin fans that have true ball bearings that can last tens of thousands of hours.  It is possible to select some that are almost completely silent as well and very low power draw.  I have one that has been running in a dorade bent on a boat now for over 6 years 24/7 (110V) and it is still quiet.  You need to create your own mount unfortunately but I think the effort is worth it.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 16, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello Jim, 

First congratulations for having picked an Amel.  

I can not answer your question, but here is suggestion I was given when I purchased my Super Maramu. 
Don’t change anything for at least a year.  

I waited 2 years and all the little things I wanted to add, modify, etc. were not that necessary.  
If I may ask, where will you be sailing? Short term and long term?  

I spent 2 summers in the Bahamas where the electricity was so expensive (ranging from $0.60 to $0.75Kwh) that I rarely switch the air conditioning on…  
instead I added 3 additional Hella fan in the bedroom and 2 more in the salon.  
I also made awning which cover the entire boat.  

This summer (2016), I was in Puerto Rico, with very cheap electricity ($0.16/Kwh) so I could have use the air conditioning all day long, but I got accustomed not using it and I didn’t want to spoil myself as my next destination was the BVI and electricity costs: $0.40 Kwh.  

Just to provide some additional information:
From memory, the Hella have a lifespan of 2000 hours, in my case they last 1 year… (7 hours per night in the cabin or 8 hours a day in the salon). 
They cost with shipping $85 each.  
Since this summer, instead of using the Hella, I use 10” Honeywell 110 Volt fan which costs $18 and use a step down or inverter to power them.  
They consume 0.25 Amp at 120 Volt.  
It is too recent to know the lifespan but I am quite happy with the savings.  

Just sharing.  

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

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On Wed, 11/16/16, jandrkennedy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Air Conditioning in a Santorin
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 12:42 PM


 









I am going to purchase a
Santorin April - May next year.  I am writing to ask if
anyone has installed Air Conditioning in a Santorin.  Is
there enough space in the Engine Bay, and can the electrics
handle it.
Any advice would be
appreciated.
Jim









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Bill,

   Thanks for the knowledgeable response on upgrading Sueno to the Super Maramu arrangement so that the ballooner halyard can be removed.  I am about to also change the forestay so if I was going to change the foil this would be a good time to do it.  

   Thanks for the Turkey sailmaker link,  I will look into getting some quotes.

   I do hear what you are saying about battens in the main and the mizzen and I think that you make some good points.  

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 16, 2016, at 11:37 AM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


James,

You asked: "Can anyone tell me if the special Amel locking mechanism for the ballooner which allows the removal of the halyard is adaptable to the Maramu?"

The swivel is what needs to be changed and I understand from a rigger in Malta that the swivel is available, but since I never looked into it, I am not sure where. Possibly from Amel. You would need the swivel, a 3 slot foil, a "hooker" and a "de-hooker."

Since you would need a 3-slot foil, I am not sure that you would consider this unless you were replacing the foil.

Several SM owners have bought tri-radial cut hydranet sails from a sailmaker in Ismir, Turkey. I have toured the loft and was impressed. All that I know bought from them, are as satisfied as we were. They ship worldwide. Email: Tahsin Oge ogemar.com>. 

I do not have direct experience with a Maramu, but I would NOT use vertical battens in a Super Maramu furling mast. It was not made to accommodate battens and you will have some issues with wear and the ability to furl at any angle other than the wind at 0 degrees...and the difficulty is proportional with the wind speed.

Bill
BeBe 387

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 10:45 AM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Kent,


   Many thanks for your response to my questions about Amel sail inventory and especially the details of your experience with the battens.  

   Based just on this seasons sailing on Sueno, I agree with you that the original 150 Genoa is a very good solution for my boat and apparently yours as well.  It is a pretty big sail to store in a locker while a smaller sail is installed on the furler such as a working jib or the 110 Yankee cut sail that you mentioned.   All of my previous boats had hank on sails, which are relatively easy to control and change offshore due to the many fastening points.  On a furling sail that slides into a groove and is essentially free once lowered I cannot imagine that changing from the 150 to the 110 offshore in a bit of wind would be much fun.   This is why I was wondering about the Code 0 option.  It is a lightly made sail that hoists on a halyard ahead of the furler.  The sail is on a line furler so that when hoisted it is rolled up and can be lowered in the same state.  The Code 0 could be a significantly  larger than the 150 Genoa and would pack down into a smaller/lighter package when stowed.  This would allow the smaller jib to live permanently on the furler.  My Amel and the furling system in general is relatively new to me, so comments such as yours are a big help in making the right decisions on the new sails.  

   I have not read many positive things about the Gale sail and have never used one to date.  I wonder if there is a risk of damage to the furled sail from chafe?

   I do strongly feel that I want to have a headsail solution available on my boat that is strong enough to use deeply reefed and is easy to tack.  

   And yes, it is certainly possible these days with careful planning to avoid most of the higher wind conditions.  Our planned route will take us around South Africa however and that is one example where I think it may come down to the luck of the draw and I want to be ready…

   I have not yet used the double pole arrangement for downwind sailing but spinnakers I are not a good option for cruising in my mind either.  

   Can anyone tell me if the special Amel locking mechanism for the ballooner which allows the removal of the halyard is adaptable to the Maramu? 

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy
 
On Nov 15, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi James,
I have an SM, so not entirely the same...but here is my experience.

When I purchased Kristy 8 years ago, the sails had been discarded.  I was starting with a clean slate, but didn't know very much.  She's my first sailboat.

I knew that the original set of sails included a 150% genoa, but allowed myself to be talked down to a 135% by a sailmaker in Kemah, Texas.  He said that I wouldn't have good sail shape by the time I reefed to 15-18 kts of wind.  He may have been right, but as light winds are more of a problem than too much wind, I regret not having the 150.  In addition, the 135 is cut with the clew 1.2 meters above the safety rail.  This further reduces my sail area in light air.  If I were to do it again, I would have a 150 with the fo ot just above the safety rail. (Assuming that it would still work well with the downwind pole.)

I also have a 110 Genoa with a high cut clew, almost a Yankee.  It is my go-to sail in the Eastern Caribbean during the winter months when the trades blow 20-25 kts all the time.

The main and mizzen have short vertical battens that have never been a problem.  You just have to keep the boom at 90 degrees to the mast when furling in or out.  Watch the battens as they enter the mast, they should enter all at once, not at any angle.

My sails are 8 years old and still look very good.  They are Dacron with Spectra and I was told they should last 12-15 years.  They aren't racing sails, but they do what I want them to do very well.

If I am still sailing when my current sails need replacing, I don't think I'd change anything except that I'd go with the 150 genoa.

I have a spinnaker that came with the boat, but I've never used it.  Anyone interested?  Pay for shipping and you can have it.  I love the double pole rig for downwind sailing.

I also have a Gale Sail that straps around the furled headsail. I put it up once but have never actually used it to sail with....I try to stay out of those conditions.  I've been in 35-40 kts a couple of times, both times with the 110 Yankee up. She did great jib and jigger with the 110 furled about 20% and the mizzen at the spreader.

Don't know if that helps you at all, jus t recounting my experience.  I don't really have anything to compare it to.

Steady as she goes.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243