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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

stephen_lees@...
 

Bill,

Do you have the three roller solution on the bow? If so, do you have the Rockna in the starboard roller aligned with the windlass gypsy?

Stephen
SV Sequel, SM349


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

eric freedman
 

Hi Stephen,

Defender marine sells Lofrans.

 

I see you are in NY. I live in Huntington and have Kimberlite there.

If you are ever out this way please stop by.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 11:54 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

 

 

Thank you all for your responses. My wife an I have owned our SM for 4 years now an do truly understand Henri Amel's passion and precision that went into all his boat, but the Auper Maramu especially. We fully respect the design and are committed to maintaining its integrity.

The current problems with our windlass re the result of poor or no maintainace by previous owners (and the current ones), coming up to speed too slowly on the appropriate use of a windlass (first boat with an electric one) and recent change to a 49 kg Vulcan anchor which does not sit well on the bow and is difficult to not tension the chain on the windlass when it comes aboard. So user neglect, user misuse and the learning curve with the new anchor have brought me to the current place.

So you learn from you errors and when I get to that place I spend a lot of time educating myself. That is what lead me to the Lofrans windlass selection chart. I was curious about what this group had to say and appreciate it.

So I have priced the repair parts which come to about USD 2,000 and a new 1,500 watt Tigres is about USD 2,800 (all from P2marine.com). So monetarily itt makes sense to go with a new one even though I would do the rebuild (and part of me would enjoy rebuilding it), but they come with a foot switch and not the customized electric buttons on the rear housing. I would guess I could use the old rear housing on the new body and put in new switches. Or drill out the new rear housing for the switches.

It is possible to get replacement 1,200 watt motors so I might be able to get one configured that way, though I believe the 100 watt breaker already servicing the windlass and foc furler motor would be sufficient for th 1,500 watt version.

Can anyone comment on the foot switch versus button solutions or should I just respect the Amel solution? Besides, the idea of drilling another hole in the foredeck doesn't sound appealing to me.

Finally, can anyone comment on sources in the US besides P2marine.com and Lofrans dealers. Or does Amel sell the original setup and should be considered?

Best,
Stephen Lees
New York, NY
SV Sequel
SM#349


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

greatketch@...
 

If you are having trouble with an anchor sitting tightly on the bow roller, you might want to check out this product from Mantus Anchors: https://www.mantusmarine.com/mantus-anchor-mate/

I have the 40kg Rocna on Harmonie, and it sits just fine on our roller, but I had trouble on my old boat with a Mantus anchor not snugging down tightly.  The "Anchor Mate" fixed it very nicely.    Not sure how, or even if, it would attach to the Amel bow, but it worked great on the last boat.

Bill Kinney
SM@#160, Harmonie
Beverly, Mass


---In amelyachtowners@..., <stephen_lees@...> wrote :

Bill,

Did I write 49 kg? It was a typo. I have a 40 kg Vulcan. Rockna recommends a 33 kg and I debated a long time before deciding on the 40. This is the updated Rockna without the hoop on it. I thought it would fit better on the roller but it swings back and forth too much do my taste. But it holds very nicely. I have been using a piece of spectra tied to the anchor and cleated on the main cleat. No strectch and great abrasion resistance.

Anyhow, thanks for your input to this discussion. I agree on using the center roller on the 3 roller configuration.

Best,
Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

greatketch@...
 


The remote is great.  No holes in the deck. No exposed switches to maintain. Ours came from Quick, the Italian windlass manufacturer.  http://www.quickusastore.com/hand-held-remote-control.html I am sure others would work.  When you get right down to it, all it is is a pair of momentary switches in a pretty box.

I have no chain stopper, and I do not put a full load on the windlass.  The snubber is usually attached before the boat comes down hard on the chain. If it is really windy and the boat drifts back quickly, the load can come on the chain before the snubber is ready, but it hasn't been a problem. If it was so windy that I was worried about the clutch slipping before I was ready, I'd throw a loop of chain around the windlass cleat to hold things while I got the snubber ready.  We do not back down on the chain without the snubber attached.

As has already been mentioned, if your windlass is properly maintained, with a well greased clutch, it will slip before damaging itself.  It seems counter intuitive to grease this part, but if you do not and the clutch locks together serious damage can be done to the woodruff key and shaft.

The only time we use that cam lock on the gypsy is when we are sailing.  The anchor is tied up, the motor is turned off with a breaker, and the clutch slacked. The lock is there as a belt with the suspenders.

We actually don't "keep" Harmonie anywhere.  She is our only home, and we do not have a home port. We are just sea gypsies. We stopped here because we need a quick haul out to install a new depth transducer, then we'll be headed further north for the summer.

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Beverly, Mass

---In amelyachtowners@..., <stephen_lees@...> wrote :

Bill,

Thanks for your thoughts. I like the idea of the remote on a long cord. I suppose there are several remotes just for this purpose available with a little digging.

Your anchoring procedures are pretty consistent with mine, but it is true that I have only been using about 12'. I will try the longer and am a fan of the three strand for that purpose.

I only have one question though. As the boat is drifting back and as you are putting tension on the anchor while in reverse, is th stress being taken directly by the windlass. Do you engage the little rotating lock that hooks into the slots in gipsy? Or do you have a chain stopper engaged?

One last note. That is that this is a small world. My teenage years were spent growing up in Marblehead and Hamilton so I know Beverly well, though it isn't the same now as it was back then. I obviously caught the sailing bug while living in Marblehead and no one has found a cure . . . Thankfully. Where do you keep Harmonie?

Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY


Re: Lofrans Tigres and snubbers

stephen_lees@...
 

Miles,

It was a pleasure meeting you in Newport, if only for a moment as you boarded Lady Bug. As it turns out we have a few friends in common. I have known, been friends with and have done too many offshore races over many years with Gary Forster and Juan Corradi. We arranged a rendezvous in Thimbles Islands this past weekend with them.

I am sure a complete rebuild is necessary. The bolts holding the motor to the mounting plate are sheared. The external dog clutch parts were fused into one mass of electrolysis which took me two hours of picking at with a stainless steel X-acto knife to free. The gipsy cones and the sprockets have seen much better days. I sense that the internal dog clutch needs replaced as well as the spring. And of course there is no point it doing this without the complete Lofrans maintenance kits that includes all seals, keys, etc.

We will certainly work with you to coordinate getting together eithe rin Newport or if you find your way to New York City we can meet here.

Best,
Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Stephen,

Anchoring:
  1. I like to lay the chain out without clumps as I am moving in reverse. 
  2. I also like to stop paying out chain 2 times and let the chain jerk against the windlass. This helps set the anchor. It will do no damage if you have properly greased the clutch cone and have not overtightened the 3-prong clutch release-lock...the clutch cone will simply slip a little. 
  3. Then when I am in position, with the motor in idle reverse, I will attach the snubber, paying out the chain until I have a nice lazy loop of chain...
  4. At this point, I will have the helm rev 2200 in reverse to check the set of the anchor...that load will be on the main cleat and snubber.
The 2 times mentioned above also helps in higher winds when the bow catches the wind and begins to turn. The jerking straightens you out again.

I hope this helps...there are hundreds of ways to set an anchor...this is the one that I use.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:47 PM, stephen_lees@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

Thanks for your thoughts. I like the idea of the remote on a long cord. I suppose there are several remotes just for this purpose available with a little digging.

Your anchoring procedures are pretty consistent with mine, but it is true that I have only been using about 12'. I will try the longer and am a fan of the three strand for that purpose.

I only have one question though. As the boat is drifting back and as you are putting tension on the anchor while in reverse, is th stress being taken directly by the windlass. Do you engage the little rotating lock that hooks into the slots in gipsy? Or do you have a chain stopper engaged?

One last note. That is that this is a small world. My teenage years were spent growing up in Marblehead and Hamilton so I know Beverly well, though it isn't the same now as it was back then. I obviously caught the sailing bug while living in Marblehead and no one has found a cure . . . Thankfully. Where do you keep Harmonie?

Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

John Clark
 

I too have, courtesy of the previous owners, a remote control on a coiled cord.  It resides in the V-berth.  The new windlass (Lofgren 1200 watt) does not have the buttons.

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston, SC

On Jul 17, 2017 5:47 PM, "stephen_lees@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Bill,

Thanks for your thoughts. I like the idea of the remote on a long cord. I suppose there are several remotes just for this purpose available with a little digging.

Your anchoring procedures are pretty consistent with mine, but it is true that I have only been using about 12'. I will try the longer and am a fan of the three strand for that purpose.

I only have one question though. As the boat is drifting back and as you are putting tension on the anchor while in reverse, is th stress being taken directly by the windlass. Do you engage the little rotating lock that hooks into the slots in gipsy? Or do you have a chain stopper engaged?

One last note. That is that this is a small world. My teenage years were spent growing up in Marblehead and Hamilton so I know Beverly well, though it isn't the same now as it was back then. I obviously caught the sailing bug while living in Marblehead and no one has found a cure . . . Thankfully. Where do you keep Harmonie?

Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

stephen_lees@...
 

Bill,

Did I write 49 kg? It was a typo. I have a 40 kg Vulcan. Rockna recommends a 33 kg and I debated a long time before deciding on the 40. This is the updated Rockna without the hoop on it. I thought it would fit better on the roller but it swings back and forth too much do my taste. But it holds very nicely. I have been using a piece of spectra tied to the anchor and cleated on the main cleat. No strectch and great abrasion resistance.

Anyhow, thanks for your input to this discussion. I agree on using the center roller on the 3 roller configuration.

Best,
Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

Ryan Meador
 

Hi Eric,
I live in Boston, and I'd be moving the boat if/when the sale completes.  We did the survey last week, but I don't yet have the full report.  There were no major surprises.  I'm just trying to get any and all info I can before I make the leap.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:54 PM, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ryan,
I know the boat . It is across the harbor from me. Do you live near Long Island.?
Has the boat been surveyed?
Fair Winds,
Eric
Sm 376

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]"
Date: Monday, July 17, 2017 4:27 pm
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

> Hi all,
> I'm likely going to be buying Super Maramu hull #233, Monarae.
> Do any of
> you have any insider info on this boat?
>
> Also, how does one contact the Amel parts department? I tried
> emailingthrough the generic contact form on their website and
> didn't get a
> response, I haven't tried calling yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

stephen_lees@...
 

Bill,

Thanks for your thoughts. I like the idea of the remote on a long cord. I suppose there are several remotes just for this purpose available with a little digging.

Your anchoring procedures are pretty consistent with mine, but it is true that I have only been using about 12'. I will try the longer and am a fan of the three strand for that purpose.

I only have one question though. As the boat is drifting back and as you are putting tension on the anchor while in reverse, is th stress being taken directly by the windlass. Do you engage the little rotating lock that hooks into the slots in gipsy? Or do you have a chain stopper engaged?

One last note. That is that this is a small world. My teenage years were spent growing up in Marblehead and Hamilton so I know Beverly well, though it isn't the same now as it was back then. I obviously caught the sailing bug while living in Marblehead and no one has found a cure . . . Thankfully. Where do you keep Harmonie?

Stephen Lees
S/V Sequel, SM53 #349
New York, NY


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hello Oliver
Thanks a lot, this is great and useful information.
Best rgds.
Ruedi

Von: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>
Antworten an: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>
Datum: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 21:26
An: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>, Rudolf Waldispuehl <rudolf@...>
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

Hello Rüdi,

there has been indeed 165 AMEL 54 made from 2005 to 2011.
Most of them are equipped with FURUNO pilots with hydaulic drives. However, there has been around 40 AMEL 54 originally equipped with Raymarine pilots and electric drives. No B&G pilots but B&G sailing computers (HYDRA 3000).
Of course, as on many AMEL models, there has been some changes with time in the equipment of the AMEL 54, mainly:
-two types of engines: VOLVO D3-110 and VOLKSWAGEN TDI 140-5 (both 5 cylinders with low rpm max torque) All have AUTOPROP props
-two types of bow-thrusters, both with a SLEIPNER SIDE-POWER base but with 4 blades props and maintenance or 5 blades-maintenance free
-two DOLPHIN or MASTERVOLT battery chargers
-one or two windlass (capstan type) 
-two types of gangway (electric or hydraulic)
-genoa furler upgrades (3)
-mainsail in-mast furler (2)
-two kinds of generators ONAN 9.5 or 11kW
-three kinds of watermakers, all from DESSALATOR
-some have two freezers (instead of one)
and some more including several kinds of electronics that I cannot detail quickly here.
Diesel fuel heaters were only installed upon client's wish (not standard).
AMEL never installed stern arches, but some AMEL 54 are equipped with nicely done aluminum stern arches for dinghy and solar panels/wind generators
AMEL installed S/S Simpson electric davits upon client's wish. 

There has been two major recalls from AMEL: main mast reinforcement and Harken deck switches (instead of LEWMAR).

If you have already visited an AMEL 54, you may ask me more questions on this forum or on my gmail address:
olivierbeaute at gmail dot com.

Olivier BEAUTE.




On Monday, July 17, 2017 4:14 PM, "Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Ruedi,

The best guy for all this is Joel Potter on this web site; he knows everything - I can copy you the User Manual and the Owner manual - I thought that was what you were after.

I think  about 175 Amel 54’s were built.

My autopilot is Electric Raymarine and I post installed a hydraulic back up as a modification. I have just completed circumnavigation and never had an autopilot problem although it must have been working 90% of sailing and motoring time.

original equipment B & G Instruments, Furuno radar/chart plotter, Raymarine VHF, HF SSB was an option I do not know what Amel installed originally - I did a retrofit with an Icom 801/2. My 54 has Volvo 110 D3 and Kubota, driving Cummings generator 11KVA - Climma Aircon. There is no heater but an Eberspatcher option is available.

I hope this helps but Joel is the best at this.

Peter 
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 17 Jul 2017, at 14:59, Rudolf Waldispuehl <rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi Peter

Thanks, english is not a problem. 

Mainly I tried to find out how many Amel 54 was build and which hull number on which years. 
But also what kind of original manufacturer equipment they used as standard in those years. 

E.g. I have seen P&G and Raymarine as autopilot equipment. One question was; does AMEL used on the AMEL 54 electrical autopilot or hydraulic ones? 

Thanks for investigation and best regards
Ruedi
Currently "boatless" ;)

Von: "Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Antworten an: <amelyachtowners@...>
Datum: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 15:20
An: "Barry Connor connor_barry@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc: <uster@...>
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

Ruedi,

I have masses of data on the 54 - what are you looking for.

mine is all in English however.

best wishes
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 17 Jul 2017, at 14:18, Rudolf Waldispuehl Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Good afternoon Alexandre and AMEL folks 

I'm also very new with this group and I have tried out and explored "www.sailboatdata.com" by curiosity because I'm searching data for AMEL 54. 
I was surprised that there is no data about the AMEL 54. There are literally all AMEL-Models on the list even the new AMEL 55 but not the AMEL 54 build from 2005 until 2012? Is there a reason for it?

Is there a certain number of AMEL 54 users/community on this amelowners@yahoogroup who may be surprised/curious about this fact as well?

Thanks
Ruedi
Von: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Antworten an: <amelyachtowners@...>
Datum: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 13:23
An: <amelyachtowners@...>
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

 
Good morning Thomas, 
Pretty cool!  
Congratulations and welcome to the group!  
Here are some link (mostly in French) on the Amel Copain:  
http://flot18.free.fr/Copain.html
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=8667
http://www.minicroiseur.fr/de-4.83-a-6m/114/copain.htm

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Plaisance de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 7/17/17, Tom thom_sg@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, July 17, 2017, 4:40 AM

Hello,
my
name is Thomas and I am new in this group.
Last
month I bought an old "Le Copain" here in
Germany.
I
like this small boat but also need additional
informations
like constructional drawings
and / or brochures and handouts.
I
know that this boat was build in the 1960s, but I hope
someone
here in the group has informations
for me.
ThanksThomas







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

Ryan Meador
 

This is a single-owner boat that has always had that name.  The owner's name is Frank.  The boat is located in Huntington, NY.  It is not a SM 2000, I think it is one of the last of the original SM.  It was built in 1998.

I did not ask Amel about any particular part, I was just seeking general info.  Perhaps more specific inquiries will get better results :)

Bill, I will send you an email off-list presently.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:41 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ryan,
   Congratulations.  I don't have any info on your hull number but I did tour hull 232 which I believe was the first SM 2000.  

The Amel parts department has been reported to be slow to respond.  I have been told to email the parts person directly.  Her name is Maud,  I am on phone right this moment so don't have her email handy, but you should be able to search the forum for her.

I bought my SM in Le Marin and ordered all my parts through the Amel service manager Jean Collins.  Parts arrived in two days from France.  If you are near Martinique I would touch base with him.  

Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston, SC
 

On Jul 17, 2017 4:27 PM, "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi all,
I'm likely going to be buying Super Maramu hull #233, Monarae.  Do any of you have any insider info on this boat?

Also, how does one contact the Amel parts department?  I tried emailing through the generic contact form on their website and didn't get a response, I haven't tried calling yet.

Thanks,
Ryan




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

John Clark
 

Hi Ryan,
   Congratulations.  I don't have any info on your hull number but I did tour hull 232 which I believe was the first SM 2000.  

The Amel parts department has been reported to be slow to respond.  I have been told to email the parts person directly.  Her name is Maud,  I am on phone right this moment so don't have her email handy, but you should be able to search the forum for her.

I bought my SM in Le Marin and ordered all my parts through the Amel service manager Jean Collins.  Parts arrived in two days from France.  If you are near Martinique I would touch base with him.  

Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston, SC
 

On Jul 17, 2017 4:27 PM, "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,
I'm likely going to be buying Super Maramu hull #233, Monarae.  Do any of you have any insider info on this boat?

Also, how does one contact the Amel parts department?  I tried emailing through the generic contact form on their website and didn't get a response, I haven't tried calling yet.

Thanks,
Ryan



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ryan,

I stand corrected...I know a little about that boat.

When you get a chance call me, or email me at bill"at"amelschool.com


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Ryan,

I cannot help you with Monarae. Possibly it had another name. Where is it? Who is the owner? Who is the broker? More information from you will likely get you more information from someone in this group.

When buying an Amel it is usually important to know something about the owner. If you buy an Amel from a caring owner, you will likely be OK.

If you are sending an email to SAV"at"amel.fr without ordering a specific part, you will likely not get a reply. What did you ask for? If you prefer, give me a call and I will explain how parts ordering works and which parts they are likely to have...my cell is below.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970







On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi all,
I'm likely going to be buying Super Maramu hull #233, Monarae.  Do any of you have any insider info on this boat?

Also, how does one contact the Amel parts department?  I tried emailing through the generic contact form on their website and didn't get a response, I haven't tried calling yet.

Thanks,
Ryan




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ryan,

I cannot help you with Monarae. Possibly it had another name. Where is it? Who is the owner? Who is the broker? More information from you will likely get you more information from someone in this group.

When buying an Amel it is usually important to know something about the owner. If you buy an Amel from a caring owner, you will likely be OK.

If you are sending an email to SAV"at"amel.fr without ordering a specific part, you will likely not get a reply. What did you ask for? If you prefer, give me a call and I will explain how parts ordering works and which parts they are likely to have...my cell is below.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970







On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,
I'm likely going to be buying Super Maramu hull #233, Monarae.  Do any of you have any insider info on this boat?

Also, how does one contact the Amel parts department?  I tried emailing through the generic contact form on their website and didn't get a response, I haven't tried calling yet.

Thanks,
Ryan



Re: Lofrans Tigres and snubbers

Miles
 

HI Stephen,

 

Sorry that I missed you in Newport.   As usual, Kent’s advice is worth taking.  Like Kent, I use about 30 feet of stretchy line for the snubber.  As Kent says, it makes the boat happy. 

Like my boat, the Lofrans is now 19 years old.   I replaced the motor about 5 years ago.  The replacement rather than a cheap motor rebuild was necessary because I keep using it when it clearly needed something.   The rest of the windless was in fine shape.  Are you sure that you need a complete rebuild?  

If you do replace it, I would urge that you keep the Amel configuration.  Holes in the deck are never a good idea.  When I am on the boat next, I will try to find the company in Turkey that I bought rubber caps and spare electric switches from. 

If it would be helpful, do not hesitate to phone me in Newport to discuss any of this.

 

Miles,  SM 216 Ladybug.  Newport, RI Harbor.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

greatketch@...
 

On the windlass switches:

I don't like the ones that Amel mounted on the windlass housing. The issue I have with them is I can not see the anchor coming up with hands or foot on those switches.  Watching what is happening is important--to me. Those switches also give another possible route for water ingress to the motor housing.  When ours failed we replaced the rubber covered switches with o-ring sealed metal ones, but we almost never use them. If I was installing a new windlass, I would not miss them.

The previous owner of our boat installed a handheld remote switch and that is the solution we always use when pulling up the anchor.  The remote is wired to a socket installed in the port side bow locker.  The coiled cord is long enough to let us lean over the bow pulpit and watch the chain and anchor as it comes up.  A much better solution, at least for me.  I find the control of a finger operated switch to be more precise and accurate than a foot switch.  I think foot switches, even with covers, have too high a likelihood of accidental activation.  The new switches we installed on the motor housing are recessed.  You can't turn them on with a shoed foot, but it is also really hard to bump them on by accident.

Any waterproof switch, is going to need to be replaced as a routine maintenance item--before it fails.  Most deck switches have a 3 to 5 year life span.  Our remote control lives below deck, out of sun and water. 

My thoughts on anchoring procedures in general can be read here: https://fetchinketch.net/boat_thoughts/anchoring-is-easy/

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Beverly, Mass


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve,

The downside to a foot switch(s) is that you will drill holes in the deck. 

Personally, I would never do that, but some people have.

The Lofrans/Amel button switches are great, but are better if you go forward with a brush on a long handle. You may or may not need the brush to clean the chain in all muddy anchorages, but the handle is perfect for operating the buttons...you can actually lean over the rail and press the button with the handle.

I would only use a chain stopper, if you already have one, and also only to keep the anchor retained on deck for passages. If you don't have a stopper, I would recommend not installing one (see above drilling holes), but be sure that you tie the anchor on board for passages. It is really great that the Lofrans has the cleat on top because after wrapping a piece of line twice around the chain, I would cleat it to that cleat because you can see that cleat from the helm. BeBe #387 came from the Amel yard with a piece of line secured to the large center cleat and about 1 meter long...perfect for securing the anchor...do you know how many anchors with chain are lost on passages?

For what it is worth, I used a 7 meter long snubber made from 1" multiplait nylon line with a loop at one end and a Stainless Pelican Hook at the other. If you have a tri-roller on the bow, use the center roller for the snubber. Leave a large loop of lazy chain on the boat side of the hook. Always grease the cone clutch of your windlass so that it WILL slip with heavy tension.

BTW, isn't 49kg overkill? I have anchored around the world with a 30kg Wasi Bugel which came with #387. With the correct technique it never will let you down.

I hope this helps you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
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