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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel SM Solar panel and gantry

greatketch@...
 

We have almost exactly the same system from Atlantic and e-Marine that Mark describes.  The only differences are that I fabricated my own panel mounts, and we skipped the dinghy davits.  We have been really, really happy with it. I'd happily recommend both companies for their responsiveness and knowledge of their products.

I chose the Atlantic Tower arch because it was aluminum and MUCH lighter in weight than the stainless alternatives.  I tend to fuss a lot about weight--especially at the ends of the boat.  If you go with that arch, be sure you understand the importance of "pre-loading" the arch when you install it.  If it is not under the proper tension, it will not be as solid and stable as it should.

One advantage we have noted when we added the arch that I have never heard mentioned in any forum is that the boat sails around a LOT less while at anchor.  The center of wind resistance moves back a lot, and the boat tends to point into the wind a lot better.  Of course the total wind resistance is higher too.  There is no free lunch!

Our experience with 630 watts of solar panels is that we usually use the genset for 60 to 90 minutes in the AM, and that's it.  Since we headed north, in June and we have 16 hours of sun for charging, we have found no need for the generator--if the days stay sunny.  Under those conditions we run the genset when we need 25 amps to make water, and that's about it.  For normal tropical 12 to 13 hour charging days, we still need the genset most days.

I'd install the same system again in a New York minute.

And I'll second Mark's comment about installing as much solar wattage as you can make possibly room for.  I have never heard anybody complain that they had too much solar generating capacity.  I doubt I'd find 400 watt capacity systems to be worth the cost of installation. It wouldn't really cut my generator time enough to make me happy.

I had a combined wind/water generator on my old boat that was just fantastic as a water generator when underway, but really did not pay its way in the wind at anchor.  If somebody gave me a wind generator, I'd be happy to use it, but I'd rather spend money on something else.

Bill Kinney
SM#160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass


---In amelyachtowners@..., <mcerdos@...> wrote :

James,

 

We added an arch and solar to Cream Puff this past summer. The arch was prefabricated by AtlanticTowers.com We did the installation ourselves. It took five days (mostly because it was too darn hot to work on it in FL in the summer). It wasn’t hard to do. We chose this arch since others on this forum had the same and the results look really good. We purchased the stronger more expensive option offered. We also added dinghy davits in addition to the solar kit. We do not sail blue water with the dinghy on the davits. It is on the aft cabin coach top. But, the davits make it easy to  lift and lock the dink at night when at anchor.

 

You can view some pics on our website http://www.creampuff.us/2016/08/free-solar-energy/

 

I forget how much the arch cost but you can get a quote from the company.

 

The solar panels we installed ourselves with the guidance of eMarine in Ft. Lauderdale (also in the link above). We added two 315W panels to the arch: https://www.emarineinc.com/store/Search.aspx?SearchTerms=LG%20315W%20Solar%20Panel%20Fixed%20Frame The folks at eMarine are very helpful and knowledgeable. They sent me a kit with everything I needed.

 

We also have a 24v Air Breeze wind turbine for the cloudy and windy days. I have mixed feeling about this.

 

With all of this, we still need to run the Genset at night for about 1.5 hours per day. We are power hogs and run TV/DVD in the evening and 3 ref/frzrs 24/7. We run the genset prior to going to bed and also run the AC to cool the boat for the night. If we top up at night and the wind is blowing 15 knots, we do not need to run the genset until the following evening. We have a relatively small battery bank compared to other Amels. We have 300 amp hours that we never take below 70% discharge or 25v.

 

In my opinion, a cruising sailor can never have enough solar wattage. The more the better. The challenge is where to put the panels.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel SM Solar panel and gantry

 

 

To all Amel SM owners: 

I'd like to know where one would look to obtain a solar panel arch / gantry for an Amel Super Maramu, and how much this might end up costing.  I am also curious to know what would be the recommended wattage recommended if 4 people are living aboard the vessel and spending the majority of time away from a dock / plug-in.

 

I appreciate any feedback.

 

James


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caleffi Mixing Valve

william_maffei@...
 

Foot pump, check. Cockpit shower, check. Both appeared normal with no leaks. I have posted a couple pictures of the Caleffi valve in the photos section. Is this original to Amel? I am thinking no cause you can totally bypass it altogether. My thoughts are the previous owner installed one just for the pressure gauge. Who knows, I am completely stumped. Research about the valve leads me to believe it is used in heating applications. Leak is still to be determined... For now I will wait for my shiny new HA60 from TFMarine to arrive. :) 

Bill Maffei
SM #195
It's all Good


Re: Amel SM Solar panel and gantry

Paul Osterberg
 

We have a solar arc from Ritza in Turkey with 450 watt of solar power, total cost ca 6500 euro. We added our self 2x100 w on the rail And an other 200 watt on the Bimini. In total 850 watt in two groups with two mppt regulators. We do not meed to run the genset at all at anchor on normal days in the Caribbean or now on the East coast of US. We have fwo fridges and one freezer. Thinking of adding an other 200 watt on the sprayhoodn as enough space. Might also invest in a wind generator for rainy days and long offshore sailing.
Paul on SY Kerpa SM #259 Chesapeake Bay en route NYC


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel SM Solar panel and gantry

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

We added an arch and solar to Cream Puff this past summer. The arch was prefabricated by AtlanticTowers.com We did the installation ourselves. It took five days (mostly because it was too darn hot to work on it in FL in the summer). It wasn’t hard to do. We chose this arch since others on this forum had the same and the results look really good. We purchased the stronger more expensive option offered. We also added dinghy davits in addition to the solar kit. We do not sail blue water with the dinghy on the davits. It is on the aft cabin coach top. But, the davits make it easy to  lift and lock the dink at night when at anchor.

 

You can view some pics on our website http://www.creampuff.us/2016/08/free-solar-energy/

 

I forget how much the arch cost but you can get a quote from the company.

 

The solar panels we installed ourselves with the guidance of eMarine in Ft. Lauderdale (also in the link above). We added two 315W panels to the arch: https://www.emarineinc.com/store/Search.aspx?SearchTerms=LG%20315W%20Solar%20Panel%20Fixed%20Frame The folks at eMarine are very helpful and knowledgeable. They sent me a kit with everything I needed.

 

We also have a 24v Air Breeze wind turbine for the cloudy and windy days. I have mixed feeling about this.

 

With all of this, we still need to run the Genset at night for about 1.5 hours per day. We are power hogs and run TV/DVD in the evening and 3 ref/frzrs 24/7. We run the genset prior to going to bed and also run the AC to cool the boat for the night. If we top up at night and the wind is blowing 15 knots, we do not need to run the genset until the following evening. We have a relatively small battery bank compared to other Amels. We have 300 amp hours that we never take below 70% discharge or 25v.

 

In my opinion, a cruising sailor can never have enough solar wattage. The more the better. The challenge is where to put the panels.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Grenada

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 6:10 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Amel SM Solar panel and gantry

 

 

To all Amel SM owners: 

I'd like to know where one would look to obtain a solar panel arch / gantry for an Amel Super Maramu, and how much this might end up costing.  I am also curious to know what would be the recommended wattage recommended if 4 people are living aboard the vessel and spending the majority of time away from a dock / plug-in.

 

I appreciate any feedback.

 

James


Amel SM Solar panel and gantry

James Cromie
 

To all Amel SM owners: 

I'd like to know where one would look to obtain a solar panel arch / gantry for an Amel Super Maramu, and how much this might end up costing.  I am also curious to know what would be the recommended wattage recommended if 4 people are living aboard the vessel and spending the majority of time away from a dock / plug-in.


I appreciate any feedback.


James


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries, combination parallel and serial

greatketch@...
 

Bill,

Not sure where you see our exception?  You have a much better feel for what the average Amel experiences than I do.  We spend almost all our time off the dock, and we have three refrigeration units... and we do 1000 cycles in 1090 days... (about 30 days a year plugged in at dock or boatyard).  Do you think our normal usage of about 3.1 to 3.5 kW-Hrs (~125 Amp-hrs) per day significantly lower than "average"?

I suspect the big issue for the "average" Amel is with a generator being the only routine charging source, getting batteries really fully charged requires a lot of generator time that most people don't give... and lead acid batteries do not like partial charging cycles. In the Amel manual they say to expect 18 months of battery life!  Ouch!  $1500 a year in battery costs would get my attention in a hurry!

Our solar installation cut our generator time by much more than half, but I think the real difference is that the continuous charge all day really gets the batteries full on nearly every cycle.  Now that we are in the higher latitudes in July, with 16 hour charging days, if it is sunny our generator isn't running at all.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries, combination parallel and serial

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Bill Kinney,

Of course you are the exception, but that is the average of all of the SMs that I know of, that spent most of their time off the dock. I always got more than three, but less than four. 

With 3 refrigeration units and all the other stuff many of us have, you can have 1,000 cycles in 1,000 days and you know the rest of the math. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On Jul 16, 2017 15:28, "greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

I am not going to brag on the lifespan of AGM batteries, but I will say that on any boat a three year life span for any battery type in off-the-dock cruising usage would be unacceptable (to me).  


For batteries to have that short a life span (~1000 cycles) they would be need to be chronically undercharged, or too deeply discharged, or both.  If that is happening routinely, then the extra money for an AGM battery or almost any other type would absolutely be wasted.

I do baby my batteries.  After all, if they lasted only three years, that would be a significant line item coming out of the cruising kitty--right up there with sails and diesel fuel. I have never discharged my batteries below 55% of rated capacity.  Typically my daily low at sunrise is 72-76%.  After a bump up with the generator in the morning, by the end of the day my solar panels have the charge state between 93 and 96%.  On a cloudy day, if I am not paying close attention, I might go as low as 64%, but that would be an outlier.  With a typical 25% usage cycle, any battery--flooded or AGM--that gave less than 2000 cycles would be a disappointment (again--to me).  This is with a 440 A-hr bank, 8 battery bank.  I wish I had room for a 12 battery setup!

On the other hand, if routinely discharged down to 40-50% and (especially) if the normal recharge tops out at less than 90% then three years might actually be pretty good.  

Not everybody will use their boats the way we do, and for some, (most?) people three years battery life might be fine.  This is more a comment about what's possible, not necessarily the way you should use your boat.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries, combination parallel and serial

greatketch@...
 

I am not going to brag on the lifespan of AGM batteries, but I will say that on any boat a three year life span for any battery type in off-the-dock cruising usage would be unacceptable (to me).  

For batteries to have that short a life span (~1000 cycles) they would be need to be chronically undercharged, or too deeply discharged, or both.  If that is happening routinely, then the extra money for an AGM battery or almost any other type would absolutely be wasted.

I do baby my batteries.  After all, if they lasted only three years, that would be a significant line item coming out of the cruising kitty--right up there with sails and diesel fuel. I have never discharged my batteries below 55% of rated capacity.  Typically my daily low at sunrise is 72-76%.  After a bump up with the generator in the morning, by the end of the day my solar panels have the charge state between 93 and 96%.  On a cloudy day, if I am not paying close attention, I might go as low as 64%, but that would be an outlier.  With a typical 25% usage cycle, any battery--flooded or AGM--that gave less than 2000 cycles would be a disappointment (again--to me).  This is with a 440 A-hr bank, 8 battery bank.  I wish I had room for a 12 battery setup!

On the other hand, if routinely discharged down to 40-50% and (especially) if the normal recharge tops out at less than 90% then three years might actually be pretty good.  

Not everybody will use their boats the way we do, and for some, (most?) people three years battery life might be fine.  This is more a comment about what's possible, not necessarily the way you should use your boat.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Rick Swinemar Jazz II Maramu #144
 

Got it. Thanks. The green wire?
R

On Jul 16, 2017, at 4:29 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Rick,

This photo clearly shows the bonding system disconnected from the rudder post and then connected to the SSB copper ground.

I suspect that the bonding system was gutted in the refit and the reason for the electrolysis on the keel.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston, TX 77550
832-380-4970

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Rick Swinemar included below]

thanks Eric. I assume bonding is there through the rudder post then?

I can attach a picture of the bonding at the steering in the aft cabin.

On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:27 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


The anodes on the rudder are connected to all of the bonding of the boat , without them the boat is in grave danger of electrolysis, especially the sail drive. It is essential !!!

Until you attach them I should strongly advise you hang a zinc “guppy” over the side and connect it to the bonding. On Kimberlite  the fuel fill in the starboard locker next to the mizzen mast is bonded.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?

Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.

Cheers

Rick

On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 

 

 








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Rick Swinemar Jazz II Maramu #144
 

Hull # 144 is what I have found out Dennis 
Cheers
Rick

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Rick,

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121
Ensenada, MX



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes [1 Attachment]

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Rick,

This photo clearly shows the bonding system disconnected from the rudder post and then connected to the SSB copper ground.

I suspect that the bonding system was gutted in the refit and the reason for the electrolysis on the keel.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston, TX 77550
832-380-4970

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Rick Swinemar included below]

thanks Eric. I assume bonding is there through the rudder post then?

I can attach a picture of the bonding at the steering in the aft cabin.

On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:27 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


The anodes on the rudder are connected to all of the bonding of the boat , without them the boat is in grave danger of electrolysis, especially the sail drive. It is essential !!!

Until you attach them I should strongly advise you hang a zinc “guppy” over the side and connect it to the bonding. On Kimberlite  the fuel fill in the starboard locker next to the mizzen mast is bonded.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?

Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.

Cheers

Rick

On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 

 

 





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes [1 Attachment]

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Rick Swinemar Jazz II Maramu #144
 

thanks Eric. I assume bonding is there through the rudder post then?
I can attach a picture of the bonding at the steering in the aft cabin.

On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:27 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


The anodes on the rudder are connected to all of the bonding of the boat , without them the boat is in grave danger of electrolysis, especially the sail drive. It is essential !!!

Until you attach them I should strongly advise you hang a zinc “guppy” over the side and connect it to the bonding. On Kimberlite  the fuel fill in the starboard locker next to the mizzen mast is bonded.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?

Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.

Cheers

Rick

On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 

 

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Rick,

Now is fine. The reason for the epoxy blistering on the keel is the gutting of the Amel bonding system by the current owner...

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston, TX 77550
832-380-4970



On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Sure Bill. What would be a good time?

R

On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:37 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Rick,

Eric gave you the answer to your question.

If there are no zincs on the rudder, are there zincs elsewhere? If the answer is Yes, I think you better hold off on the survey and give me a call. I think I know this boat. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

    

On Jul 16, 2017 13:19, "Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?
Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.
Cheers
Rick
On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:


That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Rick Swinemar Jazz II Maramu #144
 

Yes that is correct. I couldn’t remember the number but it is Jazz.  I agree it has been “de-Amel’d” in many ways. The boat seems otherwise very sound. I spoke with the owner of the boat yard. They did all the work. They don’t allow owners to work on their boats in the yard and that would seem a very large project for two people to do hands on. I certainly wouldn’t want to tackle it as handy as my brother and i have been working with out boats over the years we felt the charm of this one was that all of the hard work/expense had been taken care of. Are there specific things that would a be a concern in terms of how the yacht is found. 
Cheers
Rick

On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:46 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Rick,

I believe that the boat that you are looking at is s/v JAZZ, Maramu #144.

If you want an Amel, s/v JAZZ is NOT for you. It has been almost completely de-Amel'd. I am aware of the dozens of modifications that were made by the current owner. It may be in a prestigious yard, but hundreds of photos that I saw, show the owner and his wife doing the work.

S/V JAZZ may be a OK boat, but other than the hull, it is certainly NOT an Amel.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston, TX 77550
832-380-4970 





On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Rick,

Eric gave you the answer to your question.

If there are no zincs on the rudder, are there zincs elsewhere? If the answer is Yes, I think you better hold off on the survey and give me a call. I think I know this boat. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

    

On Jul 16, 2017 13:19, "Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?
Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.
Cheers
Rick
On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:


That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Rick Swinemar Jazz II Maramu #144
 

Sure Bill. What would be a good time?
R

On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:37 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Rick,

Eric gave you the answer to your question.

If there are no zincs on the rudder, are there zincs elsewhere? If the answer is Yes, I think you better hold off on the survey and give me a call. I think I know this boat. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

    

On Jul 16, 2017 13:19, "Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?
Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.
Cheers
Rick
On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Rick,

I believe that the boat that you are looking at is s/v JAZZ, Maramu #144.

If you want an Amel, s/v JAZZ is NOT for you. It has been almost completely de-Amel'd. I am aware of the dozens of modifications that were made by the current owner. It may be in a prestigious yard, but hundreds of photos that I saw, show the owner and his wife doing the work.

S/V JAZZ may be a OK boat, but other than the hull, it is certainly NOT an Amel.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston, TX 77550
832-380-4970 





On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Rick,

Eric gave you the answer to your question.

If there are no zincs on the rudder, are there zincs elsewhere? If the answer is Yes, I think you better hold off on the survey and give me a call. I think I know this boat. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Jul 16, 2017 13:19, "Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?
Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.
Cheers
Rick
On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:


That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Rick,

Eric gave you the answer to your question.

If there are no zincs on the rudder, are there zincs elsewhere? If the answer is Yes, I think you better hold off on the survey and give me a call. I think I know this boat. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Jul 16, 2017 13:19, "Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?
Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.
Cheers
Rick
On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

eric freedman
 

The anodes on the rudder are connected to all of the bonding of the boat , without them the boat is in grave danger of electrolysis, especially the sail drive. It is essential !!!

Until you attach them I should strongly advise you hang a zinc “guppy” over the side and connect it to the bonding. On Kimberlite  the fuel fill in the starboard locker next to the mizzen mast is bonded.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

 

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?

Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.

Cheers

Rick

On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caleffi Mixing Valve

greatketch@...
 

Olivier,

Yes, hull #160 has the freshwater foot pump. I stub my toe on it about every other day... but it saved us a great deal of hassle when the main electric pump died!

The "fake leak" is a useful one to know about!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass


---In amelyachtowners@..., <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote :

Hello Bill(s),

I haven't followed up the post and I don't know what hull number has this problem.
However, freshwater pump cycling is sometimes due to a fake leak:
For the SMs which have a freshwater foot pump, the use of the foot pump is possible only when the valve under the galley sink is in the "foot pump position". But if this valve is slightly open (which can happen if you hit the valve's handle by mistake), the water pressure generated by the electric pump leaks through this valve back into the freshwater tank, creating what I call a "fake leak". No puddle anywhere, the leaking water returns into the tank.
So, Bill Maffei (I guess he has the problem), check that this valve (if you have a freshwater foot pump) is closed.

Bill Kinney, with hull number 160, do you have a foot pump?

Olivier.