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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries, combination parallel and serial

greatketch@...
 

I am not going to brag on the lifespan of AGM batteries, but I will say that on any boat a three year life span for any battery type in off-the-dock cruising usage would be unacceptable (to me).  

For batteries to have that short a life span (~1000 cycles) they would be need to be chronically undercharged, or too deeply discharged, or both.  If that is happening routinely, then the extra money for an AGM battery or almost any other type would absolutely be wasted.

I do baby my batteries.  After all, if they lasted only three years, that would be a significant line item coming out of the cruising kitty--right up there with sails and diesel fuel. I have never discharged my batteries below 55% of rated capacity.  Typically my daily low at sunrise is 72-76%.  After a bump up with the generator in the morning, by the end of the day my solar panels have the charge state between 93 and 96%.  On a cloudy day, if I am not paying close attention, I might go as low as 64%, but that would be an outlier.  With a typical 25% usage cycle, any battery--flooded or AGM--that gave less than 2000 cycles would be a disappointment (again--to me).  This is with a 440 A-hr bank, 8 battery bank.  I wish I had room for a 12 battery setup!

On the other hand, if routinely discharged down to 40-50% and (especially) if the normal recharge tops out at less than 90% then three years might actually be pretty good.  

Not everybody will use their boats the way we do, and for some, (most?) people three years battery life might be fine.  This is more a comment about what's possible, not necessarily the way you should use your boat.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Rick Swinemar Jazz II Maramu #144
 

Got it. Thanks. The green wire?
R

On Jul 16, 2017, at 4:29 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Rick,

This photo clearly shows the bonding system disconnected from the rudder post and then connected to the SSB copper ground.

I suspect that the bonding system was gutted in the refit and the reason for the electrolysis on the keel.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston, TX 77550
832-380-4970

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Rick Swinemar included below]

thanks Eric. I assume bonding is there through the rudder post then?

I can attach a picture of the bonding at the steering in the aft cabin.

On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:27 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


The anodes on the rudder are connected to all of the bonding of the boat , without them the boat is in grave danger of electrolysis, especially the sail drive. It is essential !!!

Until you attach them I should strongly advise you hang a zinc “guppy” over the side and connect it to the bonding. On Kimberlite  the fuel fill in the starboard locker next to the mizzen mast is bonded.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?

Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.

Cheers

Rick

On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 

 

 








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Rick Swinemar Jazz II Maramu #144
 

Hull # 144 is what I have found out Dennis 
Cheers
Rick

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Rick,

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121
Ensenada, MX



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes [1 Attachment]

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Rick,

This photo clearly shows the bonding system disconnected from the rudder post and then connected to the SSB copper ground.

I suspect that the bonding system was gutted in the refit and the reason for the electrolysis on the keel.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston, TX 77550
832-380-4970

On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Rick Swinemar included below]

thanks Eric. I assume bonding is there through the rudder post then?

I can attach a picture of the bonding at the steering in the aft cabin.

On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:27 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


The anodes on the rudder are connected to all of the bonding of the boat , without them the boat is in grave danger of electrolysis, especially the sail drive. It is essential !!!

Until you attach them I should strongly advise you hang a zinc “guppy” over the side and connect it to the bonding. On Kimberlite  the fuel fill in the starboard locker next to the mizzen mast is bonded.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?

Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.

Cheers

Rick

On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 

 

 





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes [1 Attachment]

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Rick Swinemar Jazz II Maramu #144
 

thanks Eric. I assume bonding is there through the rudder post then?
I can attach a picture of the bonding at the steering in the aft cabin.

On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:27 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


The anodes on the rudder are connected to all of the bonding of the boat , without them the boat is in grave danger of electrolysis, especially the sail drive. It is essential !!!

Until you attach them I should strongly advise you hang a zinc “guppy” over the side and connect it to the bonding. On Kimberlite  the fuel fill in the starboard locker next to the mizzen mast is bonded.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?

Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.

Cheers

Rick

On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 

 

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Rick,

Now is fine. The reason for the epoxy blistering on the keel is the gutting of the Amel bonding system by the current owner...

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston, TX 77550
832-380-4970



On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Sure Bill. What would be a good time?

R

On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:37 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Rick,

Eric gave you the answer to your question.

If there are no zincs on the rudder, are there zincs elsewhere? If the answer is Yes, I think you better hold off on the survey and give me a call. I think I know this boat. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

    

On Jul 16, 2017 13:19, "Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?
Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.
Cheers
Rick
On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@optonline.net [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:


That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Rick Swinemar Jazz II Maramu #144
 

Yes that is correct. I couldn’t remember the number but it is Jazz.  I agree it has been “de-Amel’d” in many ways. The boat seems otherwise very sound. I spoke with the owner of the boat yard. They did all the work. They don’t allow owners to work on their boats in the yard and that would seem a very large project for two people to do hands on. I certainly wouldn’t want to tackle it as handy as my brother and i have been working with out boats over the years we felt the charm of this one was that all of the hard work/expense had been taken care of. Are there specific things that would a be a concern in terms of how the yacht is found. 
Cheers
Rick

On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:46 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Rick,

I believe that the boat that you are looking at is s/v JAZZ, Maramu #144.

If you want an Amel, s/v JAZZ is NOT for you. It has been almost completely de-Amel'd. I am aware of the dozens of modifications that were made by the current owner. It may be in a prestigious yard, but hundreds of photos that I saw, show the owner and his wife doing the work.

S/V JAZZ may be a OK boat, but other than the hull, it is certainly NOT an Amel.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston, TX 77550
832-380-4970 





On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Rick,

Eric gave you the answer to your question.

If there are no zincs on the rudder, are there zincs elsewhere? If the answer is Yes, I think you better hold off on the survey and give me a call. I think I know this boat. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

    

On Jul 16, 2017 13:19, "Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?
Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.
Cheers
Rick
On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:


That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 








Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Rick Swinemar Jazz II Maramu #144
 

Sure Bill. What would be a good time?
R

On Jul 16, 2017, at 3:37 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Rick,

Eric gave you the answer to your question.

If there are no zincs on the rudder, are there zincs elsewhere? If the answer is Yes, I think you better hold off on the survey and give me a call. I think I know this boat. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

    

On Jul 16, 2017 13:19, "Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?
Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.
Cheers
Rick
On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Rick,

I believe that the boat that you are looking at is s/v JAZZ, Maramu #144.

If you want an Amel, s/v JAZZ is NOT for you. It has been almost completely de-Amel'd. I am aware of the dozens of modifications that were made by the current owner. It may be in a prestigious yard, but hundreds of photos that I saw, show the owner and his wife doing the work.

S/V JAZZ may be a OK boat, but other than the hull, it is certainly NOT an Amel.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston, TX 77550
832-380-4970 





On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Rick,

Eric gave you the answer to your question.

If there are no zincs on the rudder, are there zincs elsewhere? If the answer is Yes, I think you better hold off on the survey and give me a call. I think I know this boat. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Jul 16, 2017 13:19, "Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?
Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.
Cheers
Rick
On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:


That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...om> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Rick,

Eric gave you the answer to your question.

If there are no zincs on the rudder, are there zincs elsewhere? If the answer is Yes, I think you better hold off on the survey and give me a call. I think I know this boat. 

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On Jul 16, 2017 13:19, "Rick Swinemar reswinemar@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?
Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.
Cheers
Rick
On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com [mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

eric freedman
 

The anodes on the rudder are connected to all of the bonding of the boat , without them the boat is in grave danger of electrolysis, especially the sail drive. It is essential !!!

Until you attach them I should strongly advise you hang a zinc “guppy” over the side and connect it to the bonding. On Kimberlite  the fuel fill in the starboard locker next to the mizzen mast is bonded.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 2:19 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

 

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 

responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?

Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.

Cheers

Rick

On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caleffi Mixing Valve

greatketch@...
 

Olivier,

Yes, hull #160 has the freshwater foot pump. I stub my toe on it about every other day... but it saved us a great deal of hassle when the main electric pump died!

The "fake leak" is a useful one to know about!

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, Mass


---In amelyachtowners@..., <atlanticyachtsurvey@...> wrote :

Hello Bill(s),

I haven't followed up the post and I don't know what hull number has this problem.
However, freshwater pump cycling is sometimes due to a fake leak:
For the SMs which have a freshwater foot pump, the use of the foot pump is possible only when the valve under the galley sink is in the "foot pump position". But if this valve is slightly open (which can happen if you hit the valve's handle by mistake), the water pressure generated by the electric pump leaks through this valve back into the freshwater tank, creating what I call a "fake leak". No puddle anywhere, the leaking water returns into the tank.
So, Bill Maffei (I guess he has the problem), check that this valve (if you have a freshwater foot pump) is closed.

Bill Kinney, with hull number 160, do you have a foot pump?

Olivier.



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

Rick Swinemar Jazz II Maramu #144
 

Wow! Thanks everyone for all the rapid 
responses. You have a great group there. I don’t have the hull number of this boat but it is lying in New Jersey and was very nicely refitted in a quality yard. I have been on the boat and it is well founded though there is some epoxy coming off the iron keel which I am guessing is not uncommon. The boat is being surveyed next week. Why is an anode required on the rudder?
Thanks again all and I hope to join your numbers soon.
Cheers
Rick

On Jul 16, 2017, at 2:33 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

  

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

eric freedman
 

That’s about what Kimberlite came with when it was new. We now use a zinc called an R5 5 inches 127 mm.

I have now switched to a 6 inch one R6 152 mm.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 1:15 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

 

 

Rick,

 

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

 

James Alton

SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

 

Rick,

 

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

 

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

 

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

 

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

 

Dennis Johns

Libertad

Maramu #121

Ensenada, MX

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder Anodes

James Alton
 

Rick,

   I was told by another Maramu owner that my Maramu ( #220) should use 140 mm diameter anodes, one on each side of the rudder.  While I did not measure the original anodes on my boat, this dimension seems like it should be pretty close.

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220 1987

On Jul 16, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Johns sbmesasailor@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Rick,

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121
Ensenada, MX



Re: Rudder Anodes

calbyy@...
 

I confirm that rudder anodes are a standard fixture on Amel Maramu (at least on 1982 Maramu # 116); they are listed on Amel brochure & show on picture of Desirade VIII before refurbishing hull & rudder. 
Holes must have been plugged and will appear when rudder is sanded down to gel coat. 
I am not on boat but can give you an indication of size of anodes & bolts used on our boat later this week.
picture available too if wishing - send msge to my emaiil adress calbyy@..., I will reply.

christian alby - Désirade VIII Maramu 116 now in Canet 


Re: Rudder Anodes

sbmesasailor
 

Rick,

Always good to note the hull # and name of the vessel you are looking at.  Someone (especially Joel) may have historical information valuable to you in your decision to purchase.

Yes, the rudder should have anodes and they should be linked to your grounding system.

I'm afraid I don't have pictures of where they should be located but they should be about 4 inches in diameter and quite obvious.

If you search the Internet for boats for sale that have pictures of them hauled, I'm sure you will find pictures of where they are located.

Dennis Johns
Libertad
Maramu #121
Ensenada, MX


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Caleffi Mixing Valve

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Olivier,

Thanks for that. I was not aware that early model SMs had a foot pump. Of course a foot pump has an internal valve that would cause water to by-pass back to the tank. I thought all SMs had the hand pump. 

The SM in question is SM# 195.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550





On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Beaute Olivier atlanticyachtsurvey@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Bill(s),

I haven't followed up the post and I don't know what hull number has this problem.
However, freshwater pump cycling is sometimes due to a fake leak:
For the SMs which have a freshwater foot pump, the use of the foot pump is possible only when the valve under the galley sink is in the "foot pump position". But if this valve is slightly open (which can happen if you hit the valve's handle by mistake), the water pressure generated by the electric pump leaks through this valve back into the freshw ater tank, creating what I call a "fake leak". No puddle anywhere, the leaking water returns into the tank.
So, Bill Maffei (I guess he has the problem), check that this valve (if you have a freshwater foot pump) is closed.

Bill Kinney, with hull number 160, do you have a foot pump?

Olivier.


On Sunday, July 16, 2017 4:26 PM, "greatket ch@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


 
While trying to track down a problem like this, I installed a valve between the pressure gauge and the pump.  So flow is from tank, to pump, to valve, to pressure gauge, to distribution manifold.

This makes isolating the problem to the plumbing or the pump a matter of seconds: Close valve. Does pressure gauge show drop?  If yes, plumbing problem;  if no, pump problem.

If the pump is cycling frequently and is pumping a reasonable amount of water, once you have eliminated dripping taps, there are not many places it can leak in the boat you would not notice the puddle growing! (Don't forget to check the cockpit hose!)

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Boston, MA




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Batteries, combination parallel and serial

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

James,

Here are some specifics of what I would recommend:

For the house bank, I would install 12 Group 31's similar to the US-made DEKA DC31DT 12v Marine RV Group 31 Deep Cycle Battery 650CCA, 105 Amp/Hr  . This will cost you less than $2,100 and give you 630 Amp/Hrs at 24VDC. 

For comparison, 8 GP 27 AGMs will only give you about 460 Amp/Hrs, and you cannot depend on the AGMs to last much longer than a commonly available "Freedon" type Lead Acid batteries. Of course, this statement will cause someone somewhere to say, "my AGMs lasted yada, yada."

You can buy these DEKAs for about $175 and they will last you up to 3 years of regular away-from-dock use...longer with different use. DEKA also makes a high CCA (about 1,000 CCA) non-"Deep Cycle Battery" for the starter battery. DEKA is a normal mid-range battery.

I think basic is better. All SMs and the new 54s that I have seen came with the no longer available DELFI Freedom-type batteries similar to DEKA. The only new Amels that I have seen with AGMs were the 55.  I believe this was done because of the changed location to beneath the galley/salon floor. I helped an owner of a 55 change his batteries...they were 28 months old and failed.

Regarding the change of battery chargers from the original Dolphin Chargers, or any other 220VAC device that may have been added/changed, are you certain about two things:
  1. Earth and Neutral (Return) are NOT connected or bridged within the device
  2. Earth is NOT connected or bridged to the 24 Volt Negative within the device
Call me Monday.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550