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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

eric freedman
 


Re: Electrical Connector

greatketch@...
 

When ever I have to work on a circuit that branches from one of those lugs, I remove it and replace it with a proper bus bar.  Those lugs are really not the best way to make multiple connections.  Resistance can be high, and being able to disconnect circuits one at a time is a VERY useful thing especially if you have to do something like track down a ground fault, not to mention adding or removing equipment.

One ground terminal on my boat had 18 (!!!???!!!) wires all soldered together into a huge, single lump and inserted into one of those lugs.  That's just wrong, even though it was done by Amel, it's STILL wrong.

Trying to stack more than 4 rings on a single post is also not a good idea. Resistance can get quite high since each ring does not have a direct connection to the source--only through other rings.  Even a touch of corrosion on each ring and soon everything starts to run hot, which makes even more resistance, which makes it hotter...  It gets really bad if the nut gets a little loose, and the rings aren't smashed together really tight, and with a whole bunch of rings, the likelihood of a little play letting the nut get loose goes up.

I have seen boat fires, two of them were started by electricity.  They are terrifying, even at the dock.  Don't take shortcuts.

Bill Kinney
SM160, Harmonie
Highlands, NJ


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electrical Connector

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump for Climma A/C

paul schofield <pwschofield@...>
 

Steve, we have a Marche pump on our boat if you'd like to walk over tomorrow and get the specs. 

Paul
SM 215

On Jun 26, 2017 8:12 PM, "steve_morrison@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all.  We moved on to SM #380 this week in Brunswick, GA and have been running the A/C a good bit very the past two days when I noticed early this morning that it had shut down. Initially I noticed the breaker behind the 220 panel had tripped, but after a reset, I switched on the salon AC and didn't hear the pump kick in and opened the engine room hatch to see the water Climma water pump smoking. As I am in the US and fairly stationary for the next month or so I am considering replacing the pump with a new unit rather than trying to troubleshoot and repair what I imagine is original and therefor nearly 15 years old. What are my options for a replacement pump and what must I consider?  Thank you all.


Steve Morrison

Sm 380 TouRai

Brunswick, GA






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump for Climma A/C

Mark Erdos
 

Steve,

 

We replaced the expensive Italian Calpeda pump installed by Amel with this: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/product-catalog/product/260-march-1500-gph-115-230v.html. It works much better than the Calpeda (very old technology and expensive parts - also not suitable to ground to the bonding system). The March pump doesn't need to connect the housing to the bonding system since it is plastic where seawater touches (you will need to connect to the ground). You can probably get the pump cheaper if you shop other than coastal climate: http://www.ebay.com/itm/March-pump-TE-5-5C-MD-1-Phase-115-230V-TEFC-/361876817634?hash=item54418a06e2:g:rMkAAOxygPtSyFqm

 

If you wish to replace with the same pump (after all, lasted 15 years) Coastal Climate is the USA dealer: https://www.coastalclimatecontrol.com/index.php/water-pumps.html  They are the people who recommended the March pump to me and it has worked well for 2+ years. It was an easy swap as the foot print and hoses are similar. You need to jump the wiring to make it 220v (instructions are included – very easy to do)

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – St Croix, USVI

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:12 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Water pump for Climma A/C

 

 

Hi all.  We moved on to SM #380 this week in Brunswick, GA and have been running the A/C a good bit very the past two days when I noticed early this morning that it had shut down. Initially I noticed the breaker behind the 220 panel had tripped, but after a reset, I switched on the salon AC and didn't hear the pump kick in and opened the engine room hatch to see the water Climma water pump smoking. As I am in the US and fairly stationary for the next month or so I am considering replacing the pump with a new unit rather than trying to troubleshoot and repair what I imagine is original and therefor nearly 15 years old. What are my options for a replacement pump and what must I consider?  Thank you all.

 

Steve Morrison

Sm 380 TouRai

Brunswick, GA

 

 

 


Re: Water pump for Climma A/C

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Steve:  Where on the pump was the smoke coming from.  Most likely it was the capacitor in the electrical box on the top of the pump (at least if it is a blue Calpeda pump).  Easily replaced for $15.  Anything more than that and a new pump might be in order.  March pumps have been used but one sized for that spot (as it services all three ACs is over $500 in a 220 VAC 50/60 hertz magnetic impeller variety.  I don't recall the gph (gallons per hour) rating of the Calpeda pump put I know it is listed on this website somewhere.  Try to match that if the easy and cheap start/run capacitor replacement doesn't work. 

Gary Silver   SM #335   s/v Liahona   Puerto Rico


Water pump for Climma A/C

steve_morrison@...
 

Hi all.  We moved on to SM #380 this week in Brunswick, GA and have been running the A/C a good bit very the past two days when I noticed early this morning that it had shut down. Initially I noticed the breaker behind the 220 panel had tripped, but after a reset, I switched on the salon AC and didn't hear the pump kick in and opened the engine room hatch to see the water Climma water pump smoking. As I am in the US and fairly stationary for the next month or so I am considering replacing the pump with a new unit rather than trying to troubleshoot and repair what I imagine is original and therefor nearly 15 years old. What are my options for a replacement pump and what must I consider?  Thank you all.


Steve Morrison

Sm 380 TouRai

Brunswick, GA





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

John Clark
 

Right, but I bet the compressor turns on and off to regulate temperature...so maybe the start/run capacitor trips the breaker sometime after it warms up....

On Jun 26, 2017 5:34 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello John,

Very likely the breaker trip as soon as the Air Conditioning tries to start.

Would be nice if this was the start Capacitor.
Going to wait for more replies then look at the capacitors tomorrow (the electric room at the marina is closed).

Does the “start” Capacitor only work when the air conditioning starts?
If yes, then I am afraid it is not that as the air conditioning have been running continuously.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 6/26/17, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 4:24 PM


 









Hi Alex,   Do the breakers trip as
soon as the AC tries to start?   On my older SM there is a
time delay.  The water pump starts, then the fan, then
after about ten seconds the compressor starts.
 If yours is similar perhaps you can isolate the
component that is causing trouble.  
Might be inexpensive fix like a
start capacitor.
Regards,   John
SV Annie (fmr. Vent de Soleil)  SM
37Charleston, SC
On Jun 26, 2017 5:19 PM,
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] wiring conduits from lazarette to chart table [3 Attachments]

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Thomas,

Thanks for your photos!

I have done this job on a Super Maramu, but not on a 54.

Try this and please let me know what yo find:
I think that there is a conduit between what you show in your photo "1.ACCESS+TO+WIRING" and the battery compartment.

Look closely at the inside of the storage cabinet door on the left above the battery bank. I think that the carpet covered panel inside that cabinet on the left side is removable...let me know.

I am certain that there is conduit that can bee seen on this side of the bulkhead that opens on the other side of the bulkhead shown in your photo "1.ACCESS+TO+WIRING."

What I believe you need to do is run the wire from the lazarette conduit shown in your photo "3.Inside+the+Lazarette" to the conduit shown in "1.ACCESS+TO+WIRING", then through another piece of conduit that passes through the bulkhead near the top, down to the battery box.

Again, let me know, I want to document this for all 54 owners.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 12:12 PM, SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from SV Garulfo included below]

Hi all

Still working on that solar panels project.

Today was about planning the wiring between the lazarette and somewhere near the battery bank.

On our 54 there is a PVC tube that runs up from the lazarette to the back of a the book shelve located above the hanging cupboard at the chart table. It's used to run the BLU cabling, for instance the antenna coax. I was able to pull a line through it, happy.

Now, next to the chart table end of that tube, I can see another, smaller, empty tube. That looks like an ideal conduit for the cables. Except it does not exit anywhere, and the line puller blocks at what sounds like the bulkhead of the lazarette...

A few pictures to illustrate


Now the question:
Does anyone have a similar set up and know where this tube is supposed to end? 



Thanks
Thomas

--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France



Reya AMFA pump carbon brushes

william_maffei@...
 

I know this is another topic that has been beaten to death... 


Anyone have a link to source the updated pump that replaces the original (Hull #195) water pump? I know I have seen something floating around. 


Or... Is there a source for the carbon brushes? 


I have been using a Jabsco for a few years now and have had no problems but it would be nice to resort back to original systems. 


Cheers,


Bill Maffei

SM #195 

It's all Good 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

Stephen Davis
 

Hey Kent,

Try the link below to find a SSB tech in your area. It looks like at least 4 folks you could call. 

Steve
Aloha SM72
Aruba

On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:59, webercardio webercardio@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Try to get a member from the local ham radio club on your boat to measure  your  system/antenna.
They have the equipment you need - swr meter etc.
 If everything works well than you can use systems to filter the speech. 
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Mark Erdos
 

Alexandre,

 

The start capacitor starts the compressor as the unit cycles during normal usage. These are common causes of failure in marine AC units. It is possible that you had some low voltage or fluctuation in the marina and the capacitor failed.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – St Croix, USVI

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

 

 

Hello John,

Very likely the breaker trip as soon as the Air Conditioning tries to start.

Would be nice if this was the start Capacitor.
Going to wait for more replies then look at the capacitors tomorrow (the electric room at the marina is closed).

Does the “start” Capacitor only work when the air conditioning starts?
If yes, then I am afraid it is not that as the air conditioning have been running continuously.

Sincerely, Alexandre

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On Mon, 6/26/17, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 4:24 PM


 









Hi Alex,   Do the breakers trip as
soon as the AC tries to start?   On my older SM there is a
time delay.  The water pump starts, then the fan, then
after about ten seconds the compressor starts.
 If yours is similar perhaps you can isolate the
component that is causing trouble.  
Might be inexpensive fix like a
start capacitor.
Regards,   John
SV Annie (fmr. Vent de Soleil)  SM
37Charleston, SC
On Jun 26, 2017 5:19 PM,
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]"
wrote:




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello John,

Very likely the breaker trip as soon as the Air Conditioning tries to start.

Would be nice if this was the start Capacitor.
Going to wait for more replies then look at the capacitors tomorrow (the electric room at the marina is closed).

Does the “start” Capacitor only work when the air conditioning starts?
If yes, then I am afraid it is not that as the air conditioning have been running continuously.

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Mon, 6/26/17, John Clark john.biohead@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 4:24 PM


 









Hi Alex,   Do the breakers trip as
soon as the AC tries to start?   On my older SM there is a
time delay.  The water pump starts, then the fan, then
after about ten seconds the compressor starts.
 If yours is similar perhaps you can isolate the
component that is causing trouble.  
Might be inexpensive fix like a
start capacitor.
Regards,   John
SV Annie (fmr. Vent de Soleil)  SM
37Charleston, SC
On Jun 26, 2017 5:19 PM,
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

John Clark
 

Hi Alex,
   Do the breakers trip as soon as the AC tries to start?   On my older SM there is a time delay.  The water pump starts, then the fan, then after about ten seconds the compressor starts.  
If yours is similar perhaps you can isolate the component that is causing trouble.  

Might be inexpensive fix like a start capacitor.

Regards,   John

SV Annie (fmr. Vent de Soleil)  SM 37
Charleston, SC

On Jun 26, 2017 5:19 PM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Good afternoon,

Today, I hear the fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one behind the panel).
I found out the fuse of the marina also trip.

After running tests, the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning (which I have been using non stop for 9 days).

Running the salon does not trip anything.

What could be the cause?
How to diagnostic and solve the issue?

Did I use too much the air conditioning?
How come the Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
How come I trip the marina fuse?

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI


[Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon,

Today, I hear the fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one behind the panel).
I found out the fuse of the marina also trip.

After running tests, the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning (which I have been using non stop for 9 days).

Running the salon does not trip anything.

What could be the cause?
How to diagnostic and solve the issue?

Did I use too much the air conditioning?
How come the Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
How come I trip the marina fuse?

Thanks in advance.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

webercardio <webercardio@...>
 

Try to get a member from the local ham radio club on your boat to measure  your  system/antenna.
They have the equipment you need - swr meter etc.
 If everything works well than you can use systems to filter the speech. 
Wolfgang Weber SY Elise 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electrical Connector [1 Attachment]

Mark Erdos
 

Kent,

 

Good luck! I have searched all over the internet for these lugs. I checked with Maud at Amel last year and they didn’t have any. Perhaps now they might?

 

Please let me know if you find them. I would like to buy a few.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – St Croix, USVI

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 11:44 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Electrical Connector [1 Attachment]

 

 

[Attachment(s) from karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] included below]

Hi, Amel Cousins.

I am trying to find replacement connectors for one of the many power distribution points in our boats.  They are the ones with the brass bolt that screws down onto a multitude of wires to distribute power from one source to multiple instruments, pumps, etc.  Specifically one that distributes 12V power from the 24-12V converters to the nav station instruments.  I've been searching online for electrical power distribution blocks, terminals, bus, etc and don't see anything like them.

 

Does anyone know what they are called, or the manufacturer, or a source?  There is limited space where mine failed, so I'd like to use a similar one for the replacement.  Otherwise I'll have to go with a stud and put rings on all the wires going to it.

 

Thanks in advance,

Kent

SM243

Kristy

Currently St. Michaels, MD, USA

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Isolated converter

karkauai
 

Thanks, Eric,
 Will do.

Kent
Kristy
SM243