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Re: Bottom paint removal

Mark McGovern
 

Pat,

They are making a killing even at that price as it takes them only one day and it is pretty much just one guy doing the work.  However, it was still worth the cost when you compare it to the time and materials that it will cost you to do it yourself, nevermind the wear and tear on your body! 

Discuss the bottom of the keel with JJ.  If I remember correctly, for them to do the whole bottom it would have required a re-block of the boat by the yard (~$300ish) while they have the boat in their section of the yard.  And then because I was doing more work on the hard, I was going to need yet another re-block to move me out of Ospreys section of the yard to my spot on the hard.  So I just had Osprey do the bottom of the keel that was exposed and then when the marina moved the boat out of Ospreys area to my spot on the hard I asked them to make sure the timbers under the keel were in different spots.  I then ground back and epoxy coated the two "stripes" under the keel myself.  In hindsight, I should have just paid Osprey to do the whole bottom of the keel.  Grinding the old epoxy off the bottom of that keel while laying down on gravel is NOT fun!


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Bottom paint removal

Craig Briggs
 

Pat,
When I bought Sangaris in 1999, I stripped her myself with the nastiest paint stripper I could find. Don't recall the brand name and it's likely banned by EPA these days, but shop around. If the label is mostly safety warnings and health disclaimers go ahead and give it a try - you're likely done procreating anyway. Try non-boating stores as they've wussified all the boating products.  

I did 3-foot-ish sections, liberally brushing on one thick coat, waiting a few minutes (depends on temperature) and EASILY removing stripper and paint with a putty knife. Then a second coat which took it down to gel coat with just a few spots left. Finished with bronze wool dipped in the remover for perfect result.  Maybe 10-20 minutes per square. Do use lot's of PPE. I used silicone covered cotton gloves and kept a bucket of cold water next to me to dip them in when the burning got too intense. Also poured some on my topsiders when the feet began to burn.  Nasty stuff. Hope you can still find some. It was so easy I did it again in Mexico 5 years later - it was on the shelf in the hardware stores next to the US banned R-12 freon cans I needed for my reefer. 

Btw, gelcoat is impervious to the stuff. So is Awlgrip type paint, which I had on my last boat and used the stripper to clean the boot stripe. If you've got barrier coat applied, I don't know about that, but then, thanks to the "Father of Fiberglass, Amels don't need barrier coat. 

Have fun with your toxic chemicals!
Craig


Re: Bottom paint removal

Patrick McAneny
 

Mark, That is less than half what I was quoted and frankly more inline considering the time and materials to do the job. Are they able to do anything to the bottom of the keel. I have always wondered how one could strip ,fair and coat the bottom of the keel.
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark McGovern <mfmcgovern@...>
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Bottom paint removal

Pat,

Contact JJ at Osprey Marine Composites at Herrington Harbor North in Deale, MD:

Local: 410-867-3022
E-mail: jj@...
Web: www.ospreycomposites.com

They soda blasted my Amel down to the gelcoat for around US$2900 in December 2018.  I was very pleased with the work.  Just remind him that Amel's have a cast iron keel so that they are prepared to epoxy coat it immediately after blasting it.

-- 
 
 
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: Bottom paint removal

Mark McGovern
 

Pat,

Contact JJ at Osprey Marine Composites at Herrington Harbor North in Deale, MD:

Local: 410-867-3022
E-mail: jj@...
Web: www.ospreycomposites.com

They soda blasted my Amel down to the gelcoat for around US$2900 in December 2018.  I was very pleased with the work.  Just remind him that Amel's have a cast iron keel so that they are prepared to epoxy coat it immediately after blasting it.

-- 
 
 
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Bottom paint removal

Patrick McAneny
 

I have about 4 layers of paint on my boat I would like to be rid of. I have been sanding boats for over 50 yrs. and have never found it fun. Using 40 grit on a 5 " orbital today,it took so long to get down to the gelcoat ,that I estimate it would take me a couple hundred hrs. to do take the entire boat down to the gelcoat. The marina I am in does not do soda ,only sand blasting. The sand blasting would cost me about $7,000.00, a chunk of change ,better spent having fun. 
Does anybody have another option for stripping bottom paint that consumes less time and money. I would rather dig ditches than sand bottom paint, so if you need a ditch dug and enjoy sanding bottom paint,maybe we can work a deal,call me !
Thanks,
Pat
SM Shenanigans


Re: Rudder Nut

eric freedman
 

Hi Bernd,

Attached is a photo of one I cut out of aluminum stock. If it is short enough you can tighten the nut at sea without removing anything.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mohammad Shirloo
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 1:45 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Nut

 

Hi Bernd;

 

Amel sells the required wrench, or you can have any machine shop make one for you. Aluminum would work best as it is light and easy to work with. We had one fabricated and also purchased one from Amel. I’m sure you can come up with other tools that will work,  but the nut is fairly soft and you have to be careful how you apply pressure.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bernd Spanner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 10:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Nut

 

Hi,

I had a very little water near the rudder shaft after some heavy seas. Wanted to tighten the nut, bit its too big for my tools. Any advice or do I need another special tool?
Tbanks
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Re: Rudder Nut

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Smart.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 11:01 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Nut

 

Bernd,

 

I saw a bright Amel owner create a suitable spanner by taking a plastic cutting board, the type used in the galley, and cutting the correct dimension in the end of it with a hack saw.  The soft plastic didn’t damage the compression nut, it didn’t cost him anything, and it worked perfectly.

 

 

John

 

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Re: Rudder Nut

John Clanton
 

Bernd,

 

I saw a bright Amel owner create a suitable spanner by taking a plastic cutting board, the type used in the galley, and cutting the correct dimension in the end of it with a hack saw.  The soft plastic didn’t damage the compression nut, it didn’t cost him anything, and it worked perfectly.

 

 

John



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Re: Rudder Nut

Dennis Johns
 

Ironic that your last name is Spanner.   That's the tool you need, it's called a plumber's adjustable spanner.  Some folks have gone to a machine shop and had an aluminum tool cut to fit the nut.

Dennis Johns

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:41 AM Bernd Spanner <bernd.spanner@...> wrote:
Hi,

I had a very little water near the rudder shaft after some heavy seas. Wanted to tighten the nut, bit its too big for my tools. Any advice or do I need another special tool?
Tbanks
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Re: Rudder Nut

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Bernd;

 

Amel sells the required wrench, or you can have any machine shop make one for you. Aluminum would work best as it is light and easy to work with. We had one fabricated and also purchased one from Amel. I’m sure you can come up with other tools that will work,  but the nut is fairly soft and you have to be careful how you apply pressure.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bernd Spanner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 10:42 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] Rudder Nut

 

Hi,

I had a very little water near the rudder shaft after some heavy seas. Wanted to tighten the nut, bit its too big for my tools. Any advice or do I need another special tool?
Tbanks
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Rudder Nut

Bernd Spanner
 

Hi,

I had a very little water near the rudder shaft after some heavy seas. Wanted to tighten the nut, bit its too big for my tools. Any advice or do I need another special tool?
Tbanks
--
Bernd
SN 119 / Cascais, Portugal


Re: Amel 55 mizen vibration

rob dillmann
 

Dear Jose,

I certainly do not want to keep you away of this charm, but you might try to wrap a hallyard a few times around the mizzen. This changes the airflow and might diminish the vibration.

Best regards,
Rob Dillmann
Westwind
Amel Mango 43


Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad

Op 8 jul. 2020 om 16:52 heeft Jose Alegria <Josealegr@...> het volgende geschreven:


John

Thank you

I will try to find your " charm sailing life way".

Thank you and please keep safe


On 08/07/2020, at 14:26, John Clanton <jclanton@...> wrote:

Jose,

 

I have experienced this on several occasions.  I have not taken specific note of the wind speed or angle when it occurred, but in general, if there is a strong blow from somewhere aft of the beam, there is a noise generated, which creates some degree of vibration. 

 

I have assumed it is when the combination of wind angle and speed causes a whistling or harmonic effect with the furler opening of the mast.

 

It can be attention getting, but we try not to pay any attention to it anymore.  We have added it to the list of other “charms” of sailing life.  Sorry I couldn’t provide a solution to eliminate it.

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Antibes, France



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Re: Amel 55 mizen vibration

Jose Alegria
 

John

Thank you

I will try to find your " charm sailing life way".

Thank you and please keep safe


On 08/07/2020, at 14:26, John Clanton <jclanton@...> wrote:

Jose,

 

I have experienced this on several occasions.  I have not taken specific note of the wind speed or angle when it occurred, but in general, if there is a strong blow from somewhere aft of the beam, there is a noise generated, which creates some degree of vibration. 

 

I have assumed it is when the combination of wind angle and speed causes a whistling or harmonic effect with the furler opening of the mast.

 

It can be attention getting, but we try not to pay any attention to it anymore.  We have added it to the list of other “charms” of sailing life.  Sorry I couldn’t provide a solution to eliminate it.

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Antibes, France



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Re: Amel 55 mizen vibration

John Clanton <jclanton@...>
 

Jose,

 

I have experienced this on several occasions.  I have not taken specific note of the wind speed or angle when it occurred, but in general, if there is a strong blow from somewhere aft of the beam, there is a noise generated, which creates some degree of vibration. 

 

I have assumed it is when the combination of wind angle and speed causes a whistling or harmonic effect with the furler opening of the mast.

 

It can be attention getting, but we try not to pay any attention to it anymore.  We have added it to the list of other “charms” of sailing life.  Sorry I couldn’t provide a solution to eliminate it.

 

 

 

John W. Clanton

S/V Devereux

Amel 55, No. 65

Antibes, France



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Re: A54 Fresh Water Pressure

 

David,

I sent you some pages from my Amel Book which will probably help you. Those pages illustrate the standard SM 66B pump, but it is designed and operates very similar to the pump you have, and the Square D pressure switch is exactly the same. The Square D Pressure switch may need replacing, the orifice cleaned, or the springs adjusted. I send you some pages from my Amel Book. If I were you, I would not attempt to adjust the Square D switch until everything else was attempted. It is almost impossible to buy a freshwater pump as good as the one that you have and you would be much better off to either rebuild what you have or pay someone to rebuild it.

Cleaning the Square D Pressure switch orifice is not in the above pages, but illustrated in this photo. After removing the switch from the pressurized system, the orifice is visible inside the pipe connector (circled below). Note the cotton swabs with dirt and debris.

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CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 6:59 AM David Crisp <david@...> wrote:
Many thanks Bill,

When I opened up the pump it was completely solid with crystals and deposit of some sort. Until I bought it last year she has been on the Sth France where the water is hard so maybe that plus an extended 9mths on the hard (thanks Covid) has caused the problem.   A 24 hrs soak with shower cleaner (decalcifier) and some fiddling did the job.  However, after reinstalling water appeared to be leaking from the rear seal.  I must have somehow damaged the seal amongst my exploratory blundering, but maybe I can  rebuild it for a spare.

My new problem is the pressure switch doesn't seem to me working.  It isn't automatically switching on.  If I manually trigger the switch it latches on okay, the pump runs 
but doesn't trip off once pressure is reached (max 4bar).  It was okay before. So far adjusting the two adjustment nuts 1 & 2 and it hasn't done any good. Grrrrr with frustration!  Any suggestions?

BTW you are correct about the price for tank + pump + switch assembly 950€.  For the benefit of all, just the pump alone was 540€.


--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Amel 55 mizen vibration

Jose Alegria
 

Dear  amelians
Today's topic concerns the Amel 55 model
At   marina berth , when the wind enters from the stern at 130-150º angles and with 10-15 knots of wind, there is an enormous vibration in the mizen mast; it is something that does not always appear, but that noise in the main cabin  becomes highly annoying.
Does anyone have an explanation for this, or some solution to this problem

Kindest regards

José Alegria
A55#003MERIT
josealegr@...
Mobile: + 351 91 866 30 37



Re: A54 Fresh Water Pressure

David Crisp
 

Many thanks Bill,

When I opened up the pump it was completely solid with crystals and deposit of some sort. Until I bought it last year she has been on the Sth France where the water is hard so maybe that plus an extended 9mths on the hard (thanks Covid) has caused the problem.   A 24 hrs soak with shower cleaner (decalcifier) and some fiddling did the job.  However, after reinstalling water appeared to be leaking from the rear seal.  I must have somehow damaged the seal amongst my exploratory blundering, but maybe I can  rebuild it for a spare.

My new problem is the pressure switch doesn't seem to me working.  It isn't automatically switching on.  If I manually trigger the switch it latches on okay, the pump runs 
but doesn't trip off once pressure is reached (max 4bar).  It was okay before. So far adjusting the two adjustment nuts 1 & 2 and it hasn't done any good. Grrrrr with frustration!  Any suggestions?

BTW you are correct about the price for tank + pump + switch assembly 950€.  For the benefit of all, just the pump alone was 540€.


--
David Crisp
SV Wilna Grace
Amel 54 #58


Re: Bamar EJF Furler

amel46met
 

Hi Bill
No jammed  swivel
Thanks for the manual I did not have that. thinking it could be stuck paws or maybe motor brushes was hoping to not have to drop the fore stay. thanks for your suggestions
Tom Deasy 
Aphrodite Maramu #125


On Jul 7, 2020, at 8:19 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


I do not know, but have you ruled out a jammed swivel at the top of the foil?

Also, do you have the manual? 


The manual states (about page 40):
The electric furler turns and then stops 
Causes:
• Halyard wrapped around the foils.
Halyard swivel badly adjusted.
• Genoa sheet jammed.
Have you greased according to the manual?


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 9:28 AM amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:
Yes Bill The jib furler  is not original I installed it four years ago. But do you have any ideas why it is malfunctioning? Unfurling 1 foot and then stopping.
Tom Deasy 
Aphrodite Maramu #125


On Jul 6, 2020, at 8:37 AM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Tom, the EJF is the forestay furler on your Maramu but was not the original furler.


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On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 9:46 AM amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:
Hi Bill
The Barmar EJF is the forestay furler.
Tom Deasy 
Maramu #125 1983


On Jul 5, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Bill Shaproski <bill.shaproski@...> wrote:


Are you referring to your Genoa furler or your main sail furler?  If it's the main sail furler, is it the outhaul motor/gearbox that stops or the furler motor/gearbox that stops?  If it's the main sail furler, were you able to get it back by manually cranking it in?  I suspect you're referring to the Genoa furler, but just wanted to confirm.  
Regards.
Bill Shaproski
S/V Pacific Cool

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM amel46met <onboardaphrodite@...> wrote:
Hello Group
Tom Deasy APHRODITE Maramu 1983 #125
I am having a problem with my electric furler, four years old and several thousand miles.It will unroll about 2 feet and stop it will not roll back up. Is it possible for me to disassemble to see the problem could it be the brushes or possibly corrosion with the paws or the electrical brake system any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Tom Deasy





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My rewire of the 4jhshte

eric freedman
 

Here are a few photos of the finished job

On July 7, 2020 at 12:47 PM eric freedman <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Hi Tom

Here are some photos of the rewiring.

In the 4th photo is a black wire that Amel used to connect all the negative sides of the senders.

There were numerous connections and a few bad solder joints. In the new model wiring all of these leads go to the Valeo Solenoid. 

Fair Wind,

Eric


 


 


Re: Newer model Isolated ground kit for Yanmar from Amel

eric freedman
 

Hi Tom

Here are some photos of the rewiring.

In the 4th photo is a black wire that Amel used to connect all the negative sides of the senders.

There were numerous connections and a few bad solder joints. In the new model wiring all of these leads go to the Valeo Solenoid. 

Fair Wind,

Eric