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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

James Alton
 

Donato,
  The rudder is made of two halves so some evidence of a seam may be normal.  Again the Amel rudder is new to me so if an expert like Oliver responds I would be listening to him.  
   Have you tried applying moderate force to turn the rudder each way (perhaps two men pushing on the rudder TE while the rudder shaft is held in some fashion) to see if what you think is a crack opens and closes as the force is applied and released?   

Best,
James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax, Italy

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From: "Donato Valente ing.d.valente@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 11-20-2016 10:33 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle


 



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

Donato Valente
 

Thanks for the great help. 
We will post later some pics, but we are unable to evaluate how deep is the crack because it runs vertically along the shaft near the skeg face. So it's quite difficult to work on. 
Thanks again 
Donato 

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Il giorno 20 nov 2016, alle ore 04:20, christian alby calbyy@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

I had the rudder down on our Maramu last spring
due to cracks & poor repairs done when the one of the previous owners replaced or repaired the rudder shaft following a hard rounding (pure guess work as we do not have any history for the vessel).

Step by step on how we did it on the hard
- lift up the boat so as you have at least an additional 60 cm ground clearance to allow the rudder to slip down
- shore up (vwith wooden block Under the rudder to support
- remove pilot link on rudder lever in cabin
- remove clamping bolts & nuts (3 x 10mm) on the square section top of shaft; grounding straps off; Watch out for shims on square section
- unbolt center support on rudder blade (called femelot in french); when bolts are unscrewed both flanges will open up on their own free will; do not cut grounding cable (SSB) linking to copper plate
- unbolt clamping bolts & nuts (3 x 10 mm)  on base of rudder blade (called crapaudine in french);
- support weight of rudder slipping lever beam Under, & remove wooden blocks supporting the rudder. Bring down slowly supporing by hand (two strong men can hold with ne assistant to guide).
- rudder laid down on ground you will be free t inspect & check for cracks & faulty repairs (ours was stuffed with gel coat resin & fiber to fill in around SS shaft )
- do all necessary repairs using proper methods (clean down to sane material, & rebuild using resin fiber cloth before protecting)
- take advantage to check main hull on skeg for cracks wher half hulls were assembled together (weak point on old boats can genertae cracks and water ingress if damaged)

Then you will have to reverse actions to mount back in hull ...
another story requiring patient adjusting when bolting the 'Femelot' & the 'Crapaudine', to match 2 x 3 bolt holes, & to cut to length when securely fastened.

final step will be to replace packing on top of shaft; screwing on delrin nut after each navigation until well tightened (not too much !).
check bolts on square section regularly, they come unfastened with rudder motion if not checked.

Hope this helps
fair winds 

christian alby - Maramu 168 Désirade VIII - Canet South of France
 




De : "Donato Valente ing.d.valente@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
À : amelyachtowners@...
Envoyé le : Dimanche 20 novembre 2016 2h53
Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

 
Many thanks Joel for the precious and comforting information. 
Still waiting some kind sailor who can give us suggestions for rudder dismantling. 

Thanks

Donato 


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Il giorno 19 nov 2016, alle ore 19:16, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 
No, the rudder is designed to be full of water to add a dampening effect. It is normal for it to pee like a cow on a flat rock. If it does not, you might have a problem.  Make sure the exit hole is not corrupted with marine growth. As you use the boat and have occasion to look under the water line, it is a good idea to have the appropriate tool to be sure that this exit hole is free and clear.  Properly sized Philips head screwdrivers works well for most of us. Insert it into the drain hole and give it a 360 degree exercise.
 
When I give the Amel School to my buyer clients, this is addressed as it is so very important that sea water has easy in and out movement from the rudder.
 
Please, sellers, spend a few days with the new owners of your now sold boat to pass knowledge along that will ensure the survival of the brand . This is for the common good. Trust me…
 
Please feel free to call me if you need a solid explanation about this.
 
 
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle
 
 
Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama

Inviato da iPhone



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

I had the rudder down on our Maramu last spring
due to cracks & poor repairs done when the one of the previous owners replaced or repaired the rudder shaft following a hard rounding (pure guess work as we do not have any history for the vessel).

Step by step on how we did it on the hard
- lift up the boat so as you have at least an additional 60 cm ground clearance to allow the rudder to slip down
- shore up (vwith wooden block Under the rudder to support
- remove pilot link on rudder lever in cabin
- remove clamping bolts & nuts (3 x 10mm) on the square section top of shaft; grounding straps off; Watch out for shims on square section
- unbolt center support on rudder blade (called femelot in french); when bolts are unscrewed both flanges will open up on their own free will; do not cut grounding cable (SSB) linking to copper plate
- unbolt clamping bolts & nuts (3 x 10 mm)  on base of rudder blade (called crapaudine in french);
- support weight of rudder slipping lever beam Under, & remove wooden blocks supporting the rudder. Bring down slowly supporing by hand (two strong men can hold with ne assistant to guide).
- rudder laid down on ground you will be free t inspect & check for cracks & faulty repairs (ours was stuffed with gel coat resin & fiber to fill in around SS shaft )
- do all necessary repairs using proper methods (clean down to sane material, & rebuild using resin fiber cloth before protecting)
- take advantage to check main hull on skeg for cracks wher half hulls were assembled together (weak point on old boats can genertae cracks and water ingress if damaged)

Then you will have to reverse actions to mount back in hull ...
another story requiring patient adjusting when bolting the 'Femelot' & the 'Crapaudine', to match 2 x 3 bolt holes, & to cut to length when securely fastened.

final step will be to replace packing on top of shaft; screwing on delrin nut after each navigation until well tightened (not too much !).
check bolts on square section regularly, they come unfastened with rudder motion if not checked.

Hope this helps
fair winds 

christian alby - Maramu 168 Désirade VIII - Canet South of France
 




De : "Donato Valente ing.d.valente@... [amelyachtowners]"
À : amelyachtowners@...
Envoyé le : Dimanche 20 novembre 2016 2h53
Objet : Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

 
Many thanks Joel for the precious and comforting information. 
Still waiting some kind sailor who can give us suggestions for rudder dismantling. 

Thanks

Donato 


Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 19 nov 2016, alle ore 19:16, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 
No, the rudder is designed to be full of water to add a dampening effect. It is normal for it to pee like a cow on a flat rock. If it does not, you might have a problem.  Make sure the exit hole is not corrupted with marine growth. As you use the boat and have occasion to look under the water line, it is a good idea to have the appropriate tool to be sure that this exit hole is free and clear.  Properly sized Philips head screwdrivers works well for most of us. Insert it into the drain hole and give it a 360 degree exercise.
 
When I give the Amel School to my buyer clients, this is addressed as it is so very important that sea water has easy in and out movement from the rudder.
 
Please, sellers, spend a few days with the new owners of your now sold boat to pass knowledge along that will ensure the survival of the brand . This is for the common good. Trust me…
 
Please feel free to call me if you need a solid explanation about this.
 
 
Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954 462 5869 office
954 812 2485 cell
 
 
 
From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle
 
 
Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Older Super Maramu Raw Water Manifold

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello Bill & al,

We did something different; we installed a second independent “sea chest” serving the needs of AC, genset and Dessalator.  As our new AC is Webasto, it needed significantly more water.  So we went for a 2 inch feed from the hull and sized the feeder pipes according to the manufacturer recommendations for each service.

We also removed the Original “seachest” sea cock and to my amazement, the hole had been wilfully partially obstructed to reduce the entry size to .75 inch…. 

New components are SS except for the water strainers which are bronze if I recall (I’d have to look).  We also added a 1 1/2 inch connector line with shut off valve to ensure feed to the main engine should its strainer become blocked.  The work was done in Majorca by Peter Kuklok, (Yacht Concept Majorca) the best marine engineer I’ve ever met.

We now have a fully safe dual system.

Kind regards,



Jean-Pierre Germain
SY Eleuthera, SM007
Lanzarote… waiting for the “trades” to set… looks like a long wait in store.



On 20 Nov 2016, at 02:00, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill from BeBe has posted some very helpful information about the raw water manifold in newer model SM's. For those of us with older boats, the arrangement is quite different, and in most ways a lot simpler.


If you haven't gotten the memo, and you have an older boat, be sure to inspect this system carefully.  Joel Potter has pointed out that some older boats have had significant corrosion issues with this Amel manufactured copper piece. It would really ruin your day if it failed offshore!


In our current haulout, I completely disassembled the raw water system, and was lucky enough to find everything in excellent order.  If you have an older SM, take a look here: 


Raw Water Manifold Inspection


Bill Kinney 

SM #160, Harmonie

On the hard, Fort Lauderdale, FL

"Ships and men rot in port."

fetchinketch





Jean-Pierre Germain,
+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Donato,

removing the rudder blade is not a quick and easy job...
Before telling you how to do it, I would like to know what is the extent of the cracks. Did you hit something or came aground? A sma11 to medium hit and consequent cracks are usually repairable on the spot, without dismantling the rudder from its location.

You could send one or two pictures to help.

Have a good day.

Olivier.


On Sunday, November 20, 2016 3:44 AM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Donato,

   I am sure that someone will be back to you soon on how to remove your rudder.  I thought that I would direct you to the File section of this Owners group where under “Amel Drawings” there are 7 pages of drawings on the Super Maramu rudder which might be helpful.  Also, if you have not already done so, take some photos of the “surface cracks” that are of concern to you since they could be helpful in giving some direction.  The rudder on my boat has some cracks in the areas around the hinge points that is only a fairing compound applied over the fittings to smooth things up and as such are not a problem,  you did not say where yours were.  My Amel is relatively new to me so again best to have one of the experts direct you through the removal process but I will say from having worked on boats all my life for a living that the Amel rudders are very well constructed and unlikely to fail barring major damage.  I would evaluate the cracks that you are seeing before making a determination to remove the rudder.

Best,

James Alton
SV, Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 19, 2016, at 9:53 PM, Donato Valente ing.d.valente@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Many thanks Joel for the precious and comforting information. 
Still waiting some kind sailor who can give us suggestions for rudder dismantling. 

Thanks

Donato 






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

James Alton
 

Donato,

   I am sure that someone will be back to you soon on how to remove your rudder.  I thought that I would direct you to the File section of this Owners group where under “Amel Drawings” there are 7 pages of drawings on the Super Maramu rudder which might be helpful.  Also, if you have not already done so, take some photos of the “surface cracks” that are of concern to you since they could be helpful in giving some direction.  The rudder on my boat has some cracks in the areas around the hinge points that is only a fairing compound applied over the fittings to smooth things up and as such are not a problem,  you did not say where yours were.  My Amel is relatively new to me so again best to have one of the experts direct you through the removal process but I will say from having worked on boats all my life for a living that the Amel rudders are very well constructed and unlikely to fail barring major damage.  I would evaluate the cracks that you are seeing before making a determination to remove the rudder.

Best,

James Alton
SV, Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 19, 2016, at 9:53 PM, Donato Valente ing.d.valente@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Many thanks Joel for the precious and comforting information. 
Still waiting some kind sailor who can give us suggestions for rudder dismantling. 

Thanks

Donato 




Older Super Maramu Raw Water Manifold

greatketch@...
 

Bill from BeBe has posted some very helpful information about the raw water manifold in newer model SM's. For those of us with older boats, the arrangement is quite different, and in most ways a lot simpler.


If you haven't gotten the memo, and you have an older boat, be sure to inspect this system carefully.  Joel Potter has pointed out that some older boats have had significant corrosion issues with this Amel manufactured copper piece. It would really ruin your day if it failed offshore!


In our current haulout, I completely disassembled the raw water system, and was lucky enough to find everything in excellent order.  If you have an older SM, take a look here: 


Raw Water Manifold Inspection


Bill Kinney 

SM #160, Harmonie

On the hard, Fort Lauderdale, FL

"Ships and men rot in port."

fetchinketch




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

Donato Valente
 

Many thanks Joel for the precious and comforting information. 
Still waiting some kind sailor who can give us suggestions for rudder dismantling. 

Thanks

Donato 


Inviato da iPhone

Il giorno 19 nov 2016, alle ore 19:16, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:

 

No, the rudder is designed to be full of water to add a dampening effect. It is normal for it to pee like a cow on a flat rock. If it does not, you might have a problem.  Make sure the exit hole is not corrupted with marine growth. As you use the boat and have occasion to look under the water line, it is a good idea to have the appropriate tool to be sure that this exit hole is free and clear.  Properly sized Philips head screwdrivers works well for most of us. Insert it into the drain hole and give it a 360 degree exercise.

 

When I give the Amel School to my buyer clients, this is addressed as it is so very important that sea water has easy in and out movement from the rudder.

 

Please, sellers, spend a few days with the new owners of your now sold boat to pass knowledge along that will ensure the survival of the brand . This is for the common good. Trust me…

 

Please feel free to call me if you need a solid explanation about this.

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

 

 

Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama

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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

JOHN HAYES
 

Thanks for this info. Same happened to me when I slipped my Santorin. Unfortunately we thought it must have hit a brick and so dried it out and glassed it up!!

Guess we now need to slip again and drill a new hole.  Bugger !


On 20/11/2016, at 1:16 PM, 'Joel Potter' jfpottercys@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

No, the rudder is designed to be full of water to add a dampening effect. It is normal for it to pee like a cow on a flat rock. If it does not, you might have a problem.  Make sure the exit hole is not corrupted with marine growth. As you use the boat and have occasion to look under the water line, it is a good idea to have the appropriate tool to be sure that this exit hole is free and clear.  Properly sized Philips head screwdrivers works well for most of us. Insert it into the drain hole and give it a 360 degree exercise.

 

When I give the Amel School to my buyer clients, this is addressed as it is so very important that sea water has easy in and out movement from the rudder.

 

Please, sellers, spend a few days with the new owners of your now sold boat to pass knowledge along that will ensure the survival of the brand . This is for the common good. Trust me…

 

Please feel free to call me if you need a solid explanation about this.

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

 

 

Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama

Inviato da iPhone


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

amelforme
 

No, the rudder is designed to be full of water to add a dampening effect. It is normal for it to pee like a cow on a flat rock. If it does not, you might have a problem.  Make sure the exit hole is not corrupted with marine growth. As you use the boat and have occasion to look under the water line, it is a good idea to have the appropriate tool to be sure that this exit hole is free and clear.  Properly sized Philips head screwdrivers works well for most of us. Insert it into the drain hole and give it a 360 degree exercise.

 

When I give the Amel School to my buyer clients, this is addressed as it is so very important that sea water has easy in and out movement from the rudder.

 

Please, sellers, spend a few days with the new owners of your now sold boat to pass knowledge along that will ensure the survival of the brand . This is for the common good. Trust me…

 

Please feel free to call me if you need a solid explanation about this.

 

 

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:31 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Rudder dismantle

 

 

Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama

Inviato da iPhone


Rudder dismantle

Donato Valente
 

Good day.
We put the sm2000 on the hard and found on hauling the boat out large quantity of water flowing from the hole on bottom of the rudder. Shouldn't be a cap on the hole ?
Secondly we must service the rudder because of some cracks on the surface.
We need your advice for dismantling the rudder. We never did it before, so will appreciate how to proceed.
Thanks for your help.
Donato

SM2000 Ocean Bird #468
In Linton Bay, Panama


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Alan,

   Many thanks for the details on the running backs setup.  I was curious if they had used the mizzen chainplate or had added a point further forward.

Best,

James
Sueno, Maramu #220

On Nov 19, 2016, at 6:40 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

The dyneema stays run from the top spreader on the main mast to a block which is about 50cm off the deck when hanging straight down. At the mizzen chain plate there's a block with a becket. Tied to the becket is 12mm spectra up to the block on the dyneema line, back to the block at the chain plate and thence to a winch, smaller than the main sheet winch, aft of the main sheet winch, or when not in use, to a cleat on the aft cabin top. That gives a 2:1 purchase for easily tightening the stay.

When not in use there's a double block with a cam cleat at the main chain plate that hooks the dyneema block and holds it down when the spectra line is hauled tight and cleated off.
This is all pretty standard stuff on any boat that has running backstays to support an inner forestay.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Alan Leslie
 

The dyneema stays run from the top spreader on the main mast to a block which is about 50cm off the deck when hanging straight down. At the mizzen chain plate there's a block with a becket. Tied to the becket is 12mm spectra up to the block on the dyneema line, back to the block at the chain plate and thence to a winch, smaller than the main sheet winch, aft of the main sheet winch, or when not in use, to a cleat on the aft cabin top. That gives a 2:1 purchase for easily tightening the stay.
When not in use there's a double block with a cam cleat at the main chain plate that hooks the dyneema block and holds it down when the spectra line is hauled tight and cleated off.
This is all pretty standard stuff on any boat that has running backstays to support an inner forestay.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Alan,

  It must be really nice to have a well shaped headsail for winds up into the 30 plus knot range available.  I guess it would not be too hard to change the staysail for a storm jib when needed to complete your inventory if you really wanted, but if you are into a wind range that you are going to be hove then perhaps the loss of shape reefed is not a concern.    I will keep the idea of adding a staysail  in mind since the idea of having a reefed 150 out in a lot of wind would concern me a lot.   

  Can you tell me how Amel setup the dyneema running backs on your boat?

Thanks for sharing your setup details,

James Alton
SV, Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 19, 2016, at 5:23 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

The staysail is actually quite small, we have had it unreefed in 30 knots plus, and two reefs hove to in 50+.

Like all roller furling sails it does not have a good shape when reefed, too much belly in it.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Alan Leslie
 

No James, I don't recall, sorry
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Alan Leslie
 

The staysail is actually quite small, we have had it unreefed in 30 knots plus, and two reefs hove to in 50+.
Like all roller furling sails it does not have a good shape when reefed, too much belly in it.
Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Alan,
  I just saw your Maxsea photo of the 90 degree tacks..those looks pretty close to square to me.  Do you by chance recall which way the current at the time was running?

Best,
James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax, Italy


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Furling Pin Free to a Good Home

amelforme
 

Just saw Marks hand up. Snoozed. Loozed.

Joel F. Potter
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Nov 18, 2016, at 10:36 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello all,


As part of a repair and upgrade to our jib furler we replaced the furling drum with the new style two piece drum. (Note:  Don't make this change for fun. The new unit is better designed than the old one, but it is NOT a drop in replacement. Significant engineering and machining required!)


Salvaged from the old unit, and not usable in our new one, is the stainless pin that pulls up to disengage the drum and foil from the motor and transmission so you can furl manually with a line wrapped around the drum.


This is both the pin, and the housing that contains it that screws into the furling drum. Fully functional, the spring is good, no corrosion.  The previous owners of Harmonie were sticklers for maintenance and kept everything lubricated as it should be.


First person to raise their hand gets it for the cost of shipping from Florida.


Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

On the Hard in Fort Lauderdale, Fl

"Ships and men rot in port."

fetchinketch






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Jib Furling Pin Free to a Good Home

amelforme
 

If nobody else wants it, I do. I have a stock of unobtanium Amel stuff that comes in handy when preparing boats for resale. Plus you won't have to mail it...

Joel 
THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY
954-812-2485

On Nov 18, 2016, at 10:36 PM, greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hello all,


As part of a repair and upgrade to our jib furler we replaced the furling drum with the new style two piece drum. (Note:  Don't make this change for fun. The new unit is better designed than the old one, but it is NOT a drop in replacement. Significant engineering and machining required!)


Salvaged from the old unit, and not usable in our new one, is the stainless pin that pulls up to disengage the drum and foil from the motor and transmission so you can furl manually with a line wrapped around the drum.


This is both the pin, and the housing that contains it that screws into the furling drum. Fully functional, the spring is good, no corrosion.  The previous owners of Harmonie were sticklers for maintenance and kept everything lubricated as it should be.


First person to raise their hand gets it for the cost of shipping from Florida.


Bill Kinney

SM#160 Harmonie

On the Hard in Fort Lauderdale, Fl

"Ships and men rot in port."

fetchinketch






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Alan,

   Your inner forestay arrangement sounds like a great solution for setting a smaller jib on the foredeck.  How much wind can you use the staysail in  (with the wind well forward of the beam) before reefing?  Does the staysail still have a nice shape when reefed down to storm jib size?  How are the running backs setup/attached?

   90 degree tacks in a boat with that level of comfort, huge water tankage in the keel, enclosed protected steering station, solar arch etc.?  Don’t you feel a little sorry for the poor chaps out there will there with their low topsides, open cockpits trying to do that well?  (grin)   I would be quite happy and surprised to see 110 degrees with Sueno…  I am going to look into getting a quote from your sailmaker.

Best,

James


On Nov 18, 2016, at 7:09 PM, divanz620@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi James,


There are lots of messages in here about inner forestays...and pictures.
Ours was factory installed and is a furler on a permanent stay at the top spreader with dyneema running back stays. The furler is anchored fwd of the windlass to a 13mm SS plate under the deck that runs under the deck from the windlass to the bow fitting.
I'll try post some track pics from Maxsea that show the 90 degree tacks !
Cheers'
Alan
Elyse SM437