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Dinghy choices?
steve_morrison@...
When we bought SM380 this fall, it was in need of a new dinghy, and as we prepare to move aboard in mid June, the time has come to make some decisions. We are a family of four (girls 8&10) and plan to spend at least the next season in the Caribbean if not two seasons there before pushing through into the Pacific. Riza promises that our aft arch will ship soon and so we will have aft davits onto which to pull up in the evenings at anchor. I am looking at the AB Lamina series 10AL or 10UL. My question is this - what are some of you using? How big, how small, and how heavy. Also, where do you stow it underway, and how - in a cradle, upside down, deflated...? What are some of your experiences and what do you think are the most important considerations. Thanks for your time, Steve Morrison SM 380 TouRai Brunswick, Georgia
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Reefing procedure
JOHN HAYES
Got left in the same when I brought mine in august last year Yep managed to jam the sails in a few times but not insolvable ....... lots of practice and make sure your heading into wind when you furl in You might also want to go over furler gear boxes and motors to make sure all in good shape. Not doing that cost me a newheadsail when the furler stopped in a 50 knot blow and I had not properly understood how to rig the back up manual system! A 1500 mile shake down cruise sorted out how to work the systems. Worth also taking the seawater engine cooling pump off the motor and checking the drive spline for wear as on the Perkins if you have one. Seems the pump requires more power than the spline provides and is subject to wear Best John Nga Waka
On 19/04/2017, at 2:22 AM, earoygqnobuqyxflnnlje6pvepcircllumuqqvak@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: Reefing procedure
Ian Park
Dave,
We had little knowledge when we got our Santorin 3 years ago. First of all it would be very hard to jam the sails in the masts, they are a very well designed unit. We just ease the main sheet and operate the out haul and furler just keeping sufficient tension for a neat furl. You will be able to tell if the motors are under duress as they will work both more slowly and a little louder! The mizzen you will find is straight forward using the same slackening of the sheet. The Santorin shares many systems of the Super Maramu, but being a bit smaller the Santorin is nicely over engineered! Just beware the Genoa furling motor. It is very powerful. Keep an eye on your ballooner halliards. If you don't ensure they are routed properly away from the forestay when not in use they can snarl things up and bend one or both the stainless bars that stick out on the top furler drum. I learnt the hard way! I have managed to furl the main on a dead run in a strong wind in an emergency. Not having sailed a ketch before I had to experiment with different ways of reefing. It's worth trying reeling the main first - the boat sails fine on genny and mizzen in a blow on a reach. I look forward to other folks advice here. Great boats, wouldn't swap! Ian Ocean Hobo SN96
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Reefing procedure
earoygqnobuqyxflnnlje6pvepcircllumuqqvak@...
Hello, This is a more procedural than technical inquiry. We'll be getting to know our new/old Santorin sloop Liesse SN6 next month and the deal did not provide any seller tutelage on the boat systems unfortunately. My familiarity with reefing is primarily full battened slab. I am anxious to avoid either jamming the sail in mast slot or over stressing the motors. Are there any Amel specific precepts/techniques one should know about, particularly when reefing in building wind conditions to avoid these unpleasant/dangerous potential events. Thanks to everyone for so generously sharing your expertise. (Also congratulations James on your purchase of the Maramu, ex Bon Edda, you will just love how quiet that engine is!) Best regards, Dave s/v Liesse SN6
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Re: rigg of santorin when should it be changed?
Hello Lars,
Perhaps there are some items that should only be repaired if broken (maybe an electronic instrument or similar?), but something that holds up your mast does not fit in that category. The fact that your rigger felt that part of your 24 year rigging needed changing strongly suggests that the rest is not far behind. With all due respect, this does sound like a case of penny wise and pound foolish. I do agree with his advice to remove the protective plastic. Cheers, Craig Briggs, SN#68 Sangaris ---In amelyachtowners@..., <yachtsalvagny@...> wrote : Hi Christoph I have just had my 24 years old Santorin Ketch rig checked by a professionel rigger. He also was very impressed by the quality of everything on the boat and found only minor problems resulting in changing 5 wires and some screws. He advised to get rid of all the protective plastic around wires and screws as they collect salt and advances corrosion. So I would trust the rigger - as I have done - and only repair if broken and not just change everything. Best regards Lars Santorin ketch #79, 1993 - Salvagny Currently lying i Copenhagen, Denmark
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New owners of an old Maramu
John Clark
Hi Jacob, congratulations on the upcoming launch. I am currently anchored in Great Bay on the Dutch side. I just got back to the boat after a couple of weeks in the States. I have fallen out of touch these last few weeks while out of town, but I think there are several Amelians here in St. Maarten right now. We should try for a meet up...maybe "launch party." John Clark Vent de Soleil SM 37 Great Bay St. Maarten
On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 12:35 AM, jacob.champness@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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New owners of an old Maramu
Jacob Champness
Hi all.
We're the new owners of Maramu 202, launched as Bon Edda in 1986. We've got her on the hard in French St. Martin while we address some deferred maintenance issues, but hope to launch her soon. I look forward to being a member of the Amel community. Thanks to you all for making it so awesome. Thanks to David for encouraging us, Olivier for a our survey, Horst for commissioning her, and Brigitte for helping us bring it all together! Jacob, April, and our 2 girls Maramu #202 Lark
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Hauling out Hurricane season in Cairns
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Fred, I assume that you have ruled out New Zealand for Cyclone Season? If not, you will probably find New Zealand to be about 2/3rds the price of Australia on most everything. We loved Gulf Harbour in New Zealand and hauled out there for maintenance. We were in the water there for 5 months, bought a used car and toured North and South Island. We did stay at Cairns Marlin Marina in Carina and it was OK in the water. When we arrived in Australia from New Caledonia, we made landfall at Mackay and stayed in the water for about a month at Mackay Marina Village & Shipyard...it was also OK. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 5:06 PM, scentstone@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
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Hauling out Hurricane season in Cairns
scentstone
First thank you to all members for this awesome forum. I just achieved a passage from Panama to Raiatea and I plan to haul out the boat in Cairns at the next September for 7/8 months. I see that there are many shipyards in the area and I would like if one of you is able to provide some insights or experience report in order to help me to make a decison Thanks a lot and kind regards. Fred S/V Scentstone SM2K #375
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Re: rigg of santorin when should it be changed?
Amel Salvagny
Hi Christoph I have just had my 24 years old Santorin Ketch rig checked by a professionel rigger. He also was very impressed by the quality of everything on the boat and found only minor problems resulting in changing 5 wires and some screws. He advised to get rid of all the protective plastic around wires and screws as they collect salt and advances corrosion. So I would trust the rigger - as I have done - and only repair if broken and not just change everything. Best regards Lars Santorin ketch #79, 1993 - Salvagny Currently lying i Copenhagen, Denmark
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: rigg of santorin when should it be changed?
antonio scipioni
Hi christof, I bought two years ago my santorin (1994) and he was rigged with original standing rig. I sailed for 500 miles in very strong conditions and in Gulf of Lion with 25/30 knots. All was ok and without problems. Anyway I changed the rig and repaint the masts, I bought the rig in France by acmo and I did myself the installation and the dismounting/remounting. If you have experience and time is the better way to know your boat. If you want I can do this job for you in Rome in the Nautilus Marina on the river, I can send you a quote about. I can say that is no so difficult but you need tools and patience. Br Antonio Santorin 108 Vagabundo Inviato da iPhone
Il giorno 13 apr 2017, alle ore 15:30, biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> ha scritto:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chlorine Removal with Carbon Filter
Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
Hi,
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comment on both these threads. Carbon filters. Having seen the limitations, I have one installed but it would be 5 or 6 years since we put any water in our tank. Exclusively we fill with the water maker. Bilge pump warning light. We have a light, and have added a warning buzzer when the main pump is running. Irritating perhaps but the best warning, day or night, asleep or awake. Regards Danny SM 299 Ocean Pearl
On 18 April 2017 at 05:41 "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Chlorine Removal with Carbon Filter
Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
Mark, One of the things I had on my list to add to BeBe, but failed to get to, was two add two LED pilot lights near the B&G Boat Speed Gauge. A Blue one for fresh water pump and a red one for gray water bilge pump. It would be a simple job to do. Best, CW Bill Rouse Admiral, Texas Navy Commander Emeritus Amel School 720 Winnie St Galveston Island, TX 77550 +1(832) 380-4970
On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 12:16 PM, mark_pitt@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
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Re: Chlorine Removal with Carbon Filter
Mark Pitt
This discussion of an extra carbon filter between the fresh water pump and the water maker flush reminds me of an incident on my SM last summer. On an overnight cruise, my wife noticed the bilge pump was on when she went to the head and was also on when she returned. She checked the bilge pump counter (Aqualarm Bilge Pump Cycle Counter, thanks for the recommendation Eric!) and it revealed there had been many bilge cycles. I looked in the engine room and found that the 10 inch filter cartridge housing had split and fresh water was gushing out. This was not the Amel/Dessalator housing supplied with the watermaker but one that I had added. I lost one-half a tank of fresh water.
The housing was about 6 years old and either had a defective weakness since manufacture, or the heat of the engine room caused it to weaken. I am replacing it with a Pentek 158319 1/2" #10 High Temperature Slim Line Black Housing that is rated for 160 degrees Fahrenheit. Standard housings are made from styrene-acrylonitrile (SAN) and are rated for 125 degrees. That gets close to engine room temperatures when the ambient temperature is high. Mark Pitt Sabbatical III, SM#419, Carloforte, Italy
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Re: Chlorine Removal with Carbon Filter
greatketch@...
One of the things you find is that different watermaker manufacturers have different worries about what will impact the membranes. Strange, because they are all using the same FilmTec membranes. Just as an example, Spectra (for example) worries a lot about biological fouling, and is rather blasé about chorine. Dessalator is exactly the other way around.
A good industrial carbon block filter (probably not one you get at Home Depot!), used at its rated flow rate typically is specified at 90% removal of free Chlorine in one pass. When I fill my tanks from the tap, I filter it through a carbon filter. When the water goes comes out of the fresh water pumps, it runs through another filter. The branch line that goes to the water maker has ANOTHER carbon filter in it. If you are counting, that's (theoretically) 99.9% removal of chlorine. I do not worry about chlorine getting into my membranes. When I bought the boat the previous owner had the "no tap water in the tank" rule. They had added a pressure reducer and plumbed a shore water fitting into the pressure side of the water system so they could use dock water without adding it to the tanks. I never use this connection. I have seen three boats sink at the dock because of broken freshwater hoses. To take a boat with watertight bulkheads and very limited underwater through-hulls and then attach an infinite supply of water into the hull just seems the very antithesis of the Amel design philosophy. On those relatively rare times these days when we need to take on dock water I fill the tank when needed--then turn off the dock water and put the hose away until the next time. Bill Kinney SM160 Harmonie Culebra, P.R
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Re: Chlorine Removal with Carbon Filter
We use a combination 5u/ carbon filter in the filter housing when in a marina...but try NEVER to put marina water in the water tank.
At sea we use just a standard 5u filter. We have a fresh water valve and also a sea water valve from the sea chest...never had any problem with these Italian ball valves.. Cheers Alan Elyse SM437
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Chlorine Removal with Carbon Filter
rossirossix4
Hi Mark,
Your comment about having a carbon filter reminded me of something. Like you, I have a 10" carbon filter to prevent chlorine from damaging the desalination membranes. We also use one when filling our tank with (verified) dock water. I noticed on a sticker that it was rated at 2 gpm. I did some research to discover that these are rated at 1, 2, or 3 gpm depending on what a manufacturer claims. More Googlerian research revealed that chlorine removal is dependent on the length of time water is exposed to the carbon as it flows through. These are not high rates Anyway, it seems that when filling your tank or flushing the water maker that slower is better....1 gpm is slow. When we have the luxury of time we use this rate to fill out tanks. We think it is very difficult to control the flush rate by cracking the, 3 way. When flushing our membranes I turn off our water pump and let the accumulator tank run out of pressure. Then I open the flushing valve fully and control flow by short pushes on the water pump breaker. I keep water flowing for the 3 minutes of recommended flush time. You can monitor the flow pressure on your Dessalator panel. BTW Seagull filters are also rated at just over 1 gpm based on the same constraint. They even sell kits for restricting the gpm to 1. Bob, KAIMI SM 427
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Re: Onan Generator strange issue
rossirossix4
Glad to hear it came out well for you. After several of your posts I became more and more convinced it was the flush valve. A good example of how even with a good diesel mechanic, Amel owners might have the right answer!
Bob , KAIMI S&M(hehe) 429
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Generator Flooded with Fresh Water
rossirossix4
Hi Vladimir,
You could use 2 way valves. I like the combination of the 2 way from manifold to desalination feed and the 3way at the LP pump because it gives backup protection for a hard to detect leak. In any case a valve between the salt water manifold lets you change filters or work on your desalination system shut off from sea water--also operating the diesel or generator if you do have a leak in your desalination loop. There is one more advantage--you can leave the hose between the manifold and the desalination in fresh water vs salt water. But, yes, you can accomplish the same thing with 2 ways that are operated in combinations. Let me add another thing to the post. In some Amels there may be another potential source for a fresh water leak into the manifold--a 3 way or double 2 way valve to the a anchor wash pump output that allowed fresh water chain washing. I think I remember some owners posting that they had this feature. Bob, KAIMI SM429 Sipan Island, Croatia
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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] St Maartn AMEL Get Together- this coming week.
hi Eric, I will be stopping to see you and Moshe in SXM if something breaks on the catamaran I am delivering. But I also have good news about a cheap weather routing service via text message! I have been working with the developer of https://FastSeas.com - the free weather routing site. Fantastic and easy to use. I have a Garmin InReach device with a tracking map page and unlimited text messages. my family loves seeing my delivery trips and I like having unlimited messages for $69 per month. But the weather reports included by InReach are terrible. That's why I contacted Jeremy at FastSeas. He is very responsive and quick to solve syntax problems, and he is a sailor. FastSeas previously required email or web service for updates - but as of yesterday it now responds to queries from an InReach text. FastSeas will respond in minutes, and if the route/ report exceeds 160 characters it will send multiple text messages. FastSeas will react to ocean currents, wind, waves, motoring, etc. you can create a polar for your boat as complex or simple as you want. And you no longer need a satellite internet or PACTOR modem to get the report -- just a simple InReach. You can have 5 route requests per month for free. Or for $30 per year you can have unlimited route requests. I have no financial interest in FastSeas, but I think it is a fantastic site to use and support, whether or not you are going offshore. Richard formerly Tartan 4100 "Symphony" I'll be departing Martinique for Annapolis in 48 hours.
On Saturday, April 15, 2017, 8:06:26 PM EDT, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] wrote: Hi, There seems to be a bunch of us on St Marten this week coming. I will be on Kimberlite , Simpson bay Marina, Mimberlite is on the main Dock about slip C12. I arrive on board the 18 th about 4 Pm and will be on island for a week or so, changing the engine mounts. Please drop by if you are around . USA cell -Wi fi stinks at the marina 1 -631-398-9990 text is best. Just drop by. We will be definitely on board the 19th an 20 for most of the day. Fair Winds Eric Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376
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