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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Dave_Benjamin
 

Bill,

Thanks for the mention. We have built common luff twin headsails for other boats. I've yet to build one for an Amel but it's a pretty easy project. I would have done it on my own Maramu had we kept the boat longer. 

---In amelyachtowners@..., <greatketch@...> wrote :

James,

For a downwind rig without the $$$$ of a new foil, talk to Dave at Island Planet Sails.  He has suggested a pair of nylon ballooners on a rolling rope luff that would sheet through the double wisher poles.  I don’t know if he has actually built one, but it might be worth exploring.

It sounds like it would be easier to set and do everything the standard Amel rig does… except…  I doubt it would be usable partially reefed.  But might be worth investigating.

Poled out twin jibs have ben used by tradewind passagemakers long before Amel started putting them on their boats.  There are lots of ways to skin this cat. Amel's innovation was to make it easy to set the reef the sails and handle really big whisker poles.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Nov 17, 2016, at 07:41, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Ian, Linda and the many others that responded to my questions about new sails..


   Thanks to all for the great input.  After sleeping on all of the information, I find myself drawn back to the original design concept of a 150 Genoa,  it just makes a lot of sense.  It just seems like the go to sail  the planned downwind passages using the twin poles along with a ballooner.  The addition of foam or some other bulking material to the luff to enhance the reefing qualities makes a lot of sense.  I have seen the permanent creases due to stretching that are apparently caused by rolling a shaped sail onto a straight extrusion and then loading that sail.  I don’t see how the 150 would be a good choice reefed as a storm sail and I would like to have aboard a smaller nicely shaped easy to tack jib for windward sailing and higher winds that would be more suitable as a storm sail. So it seems that I will just need to make some room to store one of these sails while the other is in use.  I wonder if by using the Hydranet if the 150 can be made a bit lighter so as to be easier to change with the understanding that the heavier smaller 100-120 would replace it for the expected parts of the trip where the winds will be strong?  Yes, there would be times when sailing through an acceleration zone etc. where I might be caught with the 150 in too much wind so I would need to be careful to not make the sail too light. A lot of the weight of my old 150 seemed to be in the sun cover.  Are there lighter UV covers available?

   I have a question about running twin sails on my Maramu using the twin slot extrusion.  It concerns me a lot having the need to lower the ballooner to furl due to the possible need to quickly turn the boat back upwind…  The concept of being able to furl both the 150 and the Ballooner seems worthy of adding to the boat from a safety standpoint if nothing else.  I was wondering if anyone has ever used a halyard running from the furler head to the furler tack attachment to hoist the ballooner and whether this work in lieu of the snap ratchet upgrade?  I am envisioning a continuous halyard line of small diameter using a small block at each end(high strength Spectra perhaps) that would roll up with the two sails.  The ballooner is so light and easy to raise on my boat that I don’t see why this could not work but what do you think?   The only other option seems to be to hoist both sails together on the same halyard which would be a mess dropping both at the same time, probably as the wind is coming up…  

   Ian and Linda,  Yes, I have seen the Santorins and think that they are lovely boats!  From a distance it is sometimes hard for me to tell them from a SM.  It is interesting to look at the various designs and to see the evolution of these boats.  

Best,

James  Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy


On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:09 AM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
The Santorin is a scaled down SM minus some kit because it has less room eg gen set, freezer, washing machine etc....
So the rig is identical including the triple groove foil and furler with the snap ratchet for the ballooner.

The foam luff... Because of the 'shaped' cut of the Genoa, when it furls the centre section does not wrap as tightly as the top and bottom. So the centre bulges more, leaves creases across the sail and does not drive as efficiently.
Three strips of foam padding(in gradually shorter lengths) are stitched in down the luff. As the sail furls this new 'bulge' gathers more of the centre of the sail giving a better shape that drives better in stronger winds.

As Bill says, it's an omission that should be corrected.

Ian and Linda

'Ocean Hobo' SN96





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Danny,

   Thanks for this tip.  It is really nice that with the Amel poles secured that you can elect to not have to deal with them right away.

   Your description of tacking sounds a bit like writing music…  It sounds like you know your boat pretty well.  

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS simms@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Hi.
If you have to turn quickly up wind when twin down wind sails are set, or more likely a sudden wind change to the beam occurs it is possible and safe to drop the sail on the windward side across to sit inside the other on the leeward side. It helps if you have port and starboard sheets on both sails (but not essential), so the one you drop through can be sheeted. It is practical to continue for a while like this and evaluate the next move.
Another point about the 150% headsail; going to windward and tacking. When I tack, as I put the helm down and the sheet is eased I press the furler switch, by the time I pass through head to wind the sail has furled sufficiently to clear the mast. As I fill away on the new tack and sheet in, I unfurl in harmony with the sheeting in.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
To: amelyachtowners@... 
Sent: Friday, 18 November 2016 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

 
Ian, Linda and the many others that responded to my questions about new sails..

   Thanks to all for the great input.  After sleeping on all of the information, I find myself drawn back to the original design concept of a 150 Genoa,  it just makes a lot of sense.  It just seems like the go to sail  the planned downwind passages using the twin poles along with a ballooner.  The addition of foam or some other bulking material to the luff to enhance the reefing qualities makes a lot of sense.  I have seen the permanent creases due to stretching that are apparently caused by rolling a shaped sail onto a straight extrusion and then loading that sail.  I don’t see how the 150 would be a good choice reefed as a storm sail and I would like to have aboard a smaller nicely shaped easy to tack jib for windward sailing and higher winds that would be more suitable as a storm sail. So it seems that I will just need to make some room to store one of these sails while the other is in use.  I wonder if by using the Hydranet if the 150 can be made a bit lighter so as to be easier to change with the understanding that the heavier smaller 100-120 would replace it for the expected parts of the trip where the winds will be strong?  Yes, there would be times when sailing through an acceleration zone etc. where I might be caught with the 150 in too much wind so I would need to be careful to not make the sail too light. A lot of the weight of my old 150 seemed to be in the sun cover.  Are there lighter UV covers available?

   I have a question about running twin sails on my Maramu using the twin slot extrusion.  It concerns me a lot having the need to lower the ballooner to furl due to the possible need to quickly turn the boat back upwind…  The concept of being able to furl both the 150 and the Ballooner seems worthy of adding to the boat from a safety standpoint if nothing else..  I was wondering if anyone has ever used a halyard running from the furler head to the furler tack attachment to hoist the ballooner and whether this work in lieu of the snap ratchet upgrade?  I am envisioning a continuous halyard line of small diameter using a small block at each end(high strength Spectra perhaps) that would roll up with the two sails.  The ballooner is so light and easy to raise on my boat that I don’t see why this could not work but what do you think?   The only other option seems to be to hoist both sails together on the same halyard which would be a mess dropping both at the same time, probably as the wind is coming up…  

   Ian and Linda,  Yes, I have seen the Santorins and think that they are lovely boats!  From a distance it is sometimes hard for me to tell them from a SM.  It is interesting to look at the various designs and to see the evolution of these boats.  

Best,

James  Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:09 AM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
The Santorin is a scaled down SM minus some kit because it has less room eg gen set, freezer, washing machine etc....
So the rig is identical including the triple groove foil and furler with the snap ratchet for the ballooner.

The foam luff... Because of the 'shaped' cut of the Genoa, when it furls the centre section does not wrap as tightly as the top and bottom. So the centre bulges more, leaves creases across the sail and does not drive as efficiently.
Three strips of foam padding(in gradually shorter lengths) are stitched in down the luff. As the sail furls this new 'bulge' gathers more of the centre of the sail giving a better shape that drives better in stronger winds..

As Bill says, it's an omission that should be corrected.

Ian and Linda

'Ocean Hobo' SN96







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Bill Kinney <greatketch@...>
 

Someone once made a double headsail rig in which both sails were permanently up on the same roller foil, so they reefed and furled together like our genoa and ballooner.  I don’t remember if they used one or two sheets per sail.

 When you sailed downwind, you pulled them apart and used them just like the Amel genoa and ballooner on twin poles, and when you sailed upwind you put them both on one side and let the leeward sail just rest against the working one.  Worked as advertised in strong winds, but in light airs, it was a touch ugly. because the sails didn’t stay together well on the windward side.

I don’t think it was ever commercialized.

One advantage of the twin sail down wind rig that I haven’t seen mentioned here in this thread is how well it dampens rolling.  When we sail wing and wing the boat rolls quite a bit.  Not as bad as some boats, but if there is a significant following sea she can get going back and forth pretty good.  

When the twin head sails are trimmed right, she runs like she is on rails.  Just put your drink down on the table!

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
On the hard for a bottom job in Fort Lauderdale, FL
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Nov 17, 2016, at 13:07, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James, you can also bring the ballooner against the Genoa and fuel on one side in an emergency.
Kent 

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
karkauai@...
Panama cell: +507-61171896
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:29 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Bill,


  Yes, I know that the twin poles have been around for a long time but I never considered them seriously due to the complications of quickly dousing if needed for a return to windward. Amel seems to have mostly solved that problem and the reefing ability is a big plus in my book.  I think that I might have a solution of how I can use my existing setup but if it doesn’t work out I will look into upgrading the boat to the Santorin/SM arrangement.

Thanks,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy
On Nov 17, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James,


For a downwind rig without the $$$$ of a new foil, talk to Dave at Island Planet Sails.  He has suggested a pair of nylon ballooners on a rolling rope luff that would sheet through the double wisher poles.  I don’t know if he has actually built one, but it might be worth exploring.

It sounds like it would be easier to set and do everything the standard Amel rig does… except…  I doubt it would be usable partially reefed.  But might be worth investigating.

Poled out twin jibs have ben used by tradewind passagemakers long before Amel started putting them on their boats.  There are lots of ways to skin this cat. Amel's innovation was to make it easy to set the reef the sails and handle really big whisker poles.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL
“Ships and men rot in port."
http://fetchinketch.net





On Nov 17, 2016, at 07:41, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Ian, Linda and the many others that responded to my questions about new sails..


  Thanks to all for the great input.  After sleeping on all of the information, I find myself drawn back to the original design concept of a 150 Genoa,  it just makes a lot of sense.  It just seems like the go to sail  the planned downwind passages using the twin poles along with a ballooner.  The addition of foam or some other bulking material to the luff to enhance the reefing qualities makes a lot of sense.  I have seen the permanent creases due to stretching that are apparently caused by rolling a shaped sail onto a straight extrusion and then loading that sail.  I don’t see how the 150 would be a good choice reefed as a storm sail and I would like to have aboard a smaller nicely shaped easy to tack jib for windward sailing and higher winds that would be more suitable as a storm sail. So it seems that I will just need to make some room to store one of these sails while the other is in use.  I wonder if by using the Hydranet if the 150 can be made a bit lighter so as to be easier to change with the understanding that the heavier smaller 100-120 would replace it for the expected parts of the trip where the winds will be strong?  Yes, there would be times when sailing through an acceleration zone etc. where I might be caught with the 150 in too much wind so I would need to be careful to not make the sail too light. A lot of the weight of my old 150 seemed to be in the sun cover.  Are there lighter UV covers available?

  I have a question about running twin sails on my Maramu using the twin slot extrusion.  It concerns me a lot having the need to lower the ballooner to furl due to the possible need to quickly turn the boat back upwind…  The concept of being able to furl both the 150 and the Ballooner seems worthy of adding to the boat from a safety standpoint if nothing else.  I was wondering if anyone has ever used a halyard running from the furler head to the furler tack attachment to hoist the ballooner and whether this work in lieu of the snap ratchet upgrade?  I am envisioning a continuous halyard line of small diameter using a small block at each end(high strength Spectra perhaps) that would roll up with the two sails.  The ballooner is so light and easy to raise on my boat that I don’t see why this could not work but what do you think?   The only other option seems to be to hoist both sails together on the same halyard which would be a mess dropping both at the same time, probably as the wind is coming up…  

  Ian and Linda,  Yes, I have seen the Santorins and think that they are lovely boats!  From a distance it is sometimes hard for me to tell them from a SM.  It is interesting to look at the various designs and to see the evolution of these boats.  

Best,

James  Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy


On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:09 AM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
The Santorin is a scaled down SM minus some kit because it has less room eg gen set, freezer, washing machine etc....
So the rig is identical including the triple groove foil and furler with the snap ratchet for the ballooner.

The foam luff... Because of the 'shaped' cut of the Genoa, when it furls the centre section does not wrap as tightly as the top and bottom. So the centre bulges more, leaves creases across the sail and does not drive as efficiently.
Three strips of foam padding(in gradually shorter lengths) are stitched in down the luff. As the sail furls this new 'bulge' gathers more of the centre of the sail giving a better shape that drives better in stronger winds.

As Bill says, it's an omission that should be corrected.

Ian and Linda

'Ocean Hobo' SN96



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Excellent!
I would love to visit the Santorin and Maramu!
Alexandre




--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 11/17/16, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016, 12:12 PM


 









Jamie & Alex
BeBe will arrive about 1 December. I think that
ALOHA and RASCAL will also be arriving about that time.
KILKEA will arrive with a new owner about that time also. I
expect KANDIBA 55, RENO SN, and KALI MERA SN to be there, as
well. I think that we will have at least 2 SNs, 6 SMs, 1 54,
and 1 55 in the BVI during December. Probably more, because
possibly we will also see LIBERTAD (Maramu).
Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

Sent from my tablet

+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Nov 17, 2016 1:59 PM,
"Bill & Judy Rouse" <svbebe@...>
wrote:
Jamie,
We will arrive around 1 December for 2 months.

Bill Rouse

BeBe Amel 53 #387

Sent from my tablet

+1832-380-4970 USA Voice
Mail

On Nov 17, 2016 1:22 PM,
"James Wendell ms42phantom54@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com> wrote:















 









All,
I just arrived in the BVIs last Saturday night - Nanny
Cay.We
will be here for the next month. I will be keeping my eye
out for other Amels.Jamie s/v Phantom Amel
54 #044


On Thursday, November
17, 2016 1:09 PM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...
om> wrote:



 









JPG,
 
 I hope that you and 007 have a fantastic trip.  Fair
winds and following seas..
James
AltonSueno,
 Maramu #220
On
Nov 17, 2016, at 5:38 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...
om> wrote:
Hi Gang,
We
lesave Lanzarote 2-3 Dec to Guadeloupe.  We expect to be in
BVI late Jan.
Jean-Pierre
GermainEleuthera,
SM007Lanzarote.

On
17 Nov 2016, at 08:10, James Studdart james.studdart@gmail.
com [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...
om> wrote:
 
Us
too... We are heading to the BVI via Antigua from Cape
Verde, probably leaving this weekend. We'd be very happy
to meet up!

Cheers,
James.
SeaBean
SM344
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 at 22:06, 'Mark
Erdos' mcerdos@... [amel
yachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...
om> wrote:
 
We should also be in the
neighborhood by then.   With best
regards, Mark Super Maramu
2000Hull #275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season – STILL  From: amelyachtowners@yahoogro
ups.com [mailto:amelyachtowner
s@...] 
Sent: Wednesday,
November 16, 2016 5:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroup
s.com


Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

   Hello Bill, 
I
will still be there!
Looking
forward to meet you!

Alexandre

------------------------------
--------------
On
Wed, 11/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [a
melyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...
om> wrote:

Subject:
Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroup
s.com
Date:
Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 4:18 PM


 









Alexandre,
We’ll
be headed your way once
we
get work done here in Florida.  We might even get there
by
January!

Bill
KinneySM #160, HarmonieFort Lauderdale, FL“Ships and men
rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On
Nov 16, 2016, at 17:09,
Alexandre
Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...
om>
wrote:
One
of my neighbors just told
me,
he saw a boat like mine anchor near Tortola.  
Would
love to meet
other
Amel owner. 
Will
be staying in
the
BVI until the end of January. 

Sincerely,
Alexandre
SM2K
#289 NIKIMAT
Harbor
View Marina,
Tortola,
BVI











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

James Alton
 

JPG,
   Hopefully nothing breaks but if it does and I can help in some way let me know.  Glad to help purchase and ship parts, whatever. Really happy for you to be out there living the dream.  Wish we could be there for the big get together but we need to see the Med first.

James Alton
Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax, Sardinia


Sent from Samsung Mobile



-------- Original message --------
From: "Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 11-17-2016 2:25 PM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?


 

Hello James,


Thank you.  Been following you through these pages.  When we get to N BVI, if we have a tech prob, we’ll come for a visit in Titusville :-)

You know what you’re doing…

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007
Lanzarote.



On 17 Nov 2016, at 17:09, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

JPG,


   I hope that you and 007 have a fantastic trip.  Fair winds and following seas..

James Alton
Sueno,  Maramu #220
On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:38 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Gang,


We lesave Lanzarote 2-3 Dec to Guadeloupe.  We expect to be in BVI late Jan.

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007
Lanzarote.


On 17 Nov 2016, at 08:10, James Studdart james.studdart@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Us too... We are heading to the BVI via Antigua from Cape Verde, probably leaving this weekend. We'd be very happy to meet up!

Cheers,
James.
SeaBean SM344

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 at 22:06, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We should also be in the neighborhood by then.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season – STILL

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...




Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?



 

  

Hello Bill, 
I will still be there!
Looking forward to meet you!

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 11/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 4:18 PM


 









Alexandre,
We’ll be headed your way once
we get work done here in Florida.  We might even get there
by January!

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieFort Lauderdale, FL“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Nov 16, 2016, at 17:09,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
One of my neighbors just told
me, he saw a boat like mine anchor near Tortola.  
Would love to meet
other Amel owner. 
Will be staying in
the BVI until the end of January. 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

Stephen Davis
 

Sorry we will miss the BVI Amel rendezvous, but Aloha, Rascal, La Bella Vita, and Anni Bea True will be in Martinique for December.

On Nov 17, 2016, at 14:12, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Jamie & Alex

BeBe will arrive about 1 December. I think that ALOHA and RASCAL will also be arriving about that time. KILKEA will arrive with a new owner about that time also. I expect KANDIBA 55, RENO SN, and KALI MERA SN to be there, as well. I think that we will have at least 2 SNs, 6 SMs, 1 54, and 1 55 in the BVI during December. Probably more, because possibly we will also see LIBERTAD (Maramu).

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Nov 17, 2016 1:59 PM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <svbebe@...> wrote:
Jamie,

We will arrive around 1 December for 2 months.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Nov 17, 2016 1:22 PM, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

All, I just arrived in the BVIs last Saturday night - Nanny Cay.
We will be here for the next month. I will be keeping my eye out for other Amels.
Jamie

s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:09 PM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



JPG,

I hope that you and 007 have a fantastic trip. Fair winds and following seas..

James Alton
Sueno, Maramu #220
On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:38 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Gang,

We lesave Lanzarote 2-3 Dec to Guadeloupe. We expect to be in BVI late Jan.

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007
Lanzarote.


On 17 Nov 2016, at 08:10, James Studdart james.studdart@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Us too... We are heading to the BVI via Antigua from Cape Verde, probably leaving this weekend. We'd be very happy to meet up!

Cheers,
James.
SeaBean SM344
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 at 22:06, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


We should also be in the neighborhood by then.



With best regards,

Mark

Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
www.creampuff.us
Currently cruising: Tampa Bay for hurricane season – STILL


From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...



Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?




Hello Bill,
I will still be there!
Looking forward to meet you!

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 11/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 4:18 PM












Alexandre,
We’ll be headed your way once
we get work done here in Florida. We might even get there
by January!

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieFort Lauderdale, FL“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Nov 16, 2016, at 17:09,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
One of my neighbors just told
me, he saw a boat like mine anchor near Tortola.
Would love to meet
other Amel owner.
Will be staying in
the BVI until the end of January.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI











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+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain45@...



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi.
If you have to turn quickly up wind when twin down wind sails are set, or more likely a sudden wind change to the beam occurs it is possible and safe to drop the sail on the windward side across to sit inside the other on the leeward side. It helps if you have port and starboard sheets on both sails (but not essential), so the one you drop through can be sheeted. It is practical to continue for a while like this and evaluate the next move.
Another point about the 150% headsail; going to windward and tacking. When I tack, as I put the helm down and the sheet is eased I press the furler switch, by the time I pass through head to wind the sail has furled sufficiently to clear the mast. As I fill away on the new tack and sheet in, I unfurl in harmony with the sheeting in.
Cheers
Danny
SM 299 Ocean Pearl



From: "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]"
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Friday, 18 November 2016 1:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

 
Ian, Linda and the many others that responded to my questions about new sails..

   Thanks to all for the great input.  After sleeping on all of the information, I find myself drawn back to the original design concept of a 150 Genoa,  it just makes a lot of sense.  It just seems like the go to sail  the planned downwind passages using the twin poles along with a ballooner.  The addition of foam or some other bulking material to the luff to enhance the reefing qualities makes a lot of sense.  I have seen the permanent creases due to stretching that are apparently caused by rolling a shaped sail onto a straight extrusion and then loading that sail.  I don’t see how the 150 would be a good choice reefed as a storm sail and I would like to have aboard a smaller nicely shaped easy to tack jib for windward sailing and higher winds that would be more suitable as a storm sail. So it seems that I will just need to make some room to store one of these sails while the other is in use.  I wonder if by using the Hydranet if the 150 can be made a bit lighter so as to be easier to change with the understanding that the heavier smaller 100-120 would replace it for the expected parts of the trip where the winds will be strong?  Yes, there would be times when sailing through an acceleration zone etc. where I might be caught with the 150 in too much wind so I would need to be careful to not make the sail too light. A lot of the weight of my old 150 seemed to be in the sun cover.  Are there lighter UV covers available?

   I have a question about running twin sails on my Maramu using the twin slot extrusion.  It concerns me a lot having the need to lower the ballooner to furl due to the possible need to quickly turn the boat back upwind…  The concept of being able to furl both the 150 and the Ballooner seems worthy of adding to the boat from a safety standpoint if nothing else..  I was wondering if anyone has ever used a halyard running from the furler head to the furler tack attachment to hoist the ballooner and whether this work in lieu of the snap ratchet upgrade?  I am envisioning a continuous halyard line of small diameter using a small block at each end(high strength Spectra perhaps) that would roll up with the two sails.  The ballooner is so light and easy to raise on my boat that I don’t see why this could not work but what do you think?   The only other option seems to be to hoist both sails together on the same halyard which would be a mess dropping both at the same time, probably as the wind is coming up…  

   Ian and Linda,  Yes, I have seen the Santorins and think that they are lovely boats!  From a distance it is sometimes hard for me to tell them from a SM.  It is interesting to look at the various designs and to see the evolution of these boats.  

Best,

James  Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:09 AM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
The Santorin is a scaled down SM minus some kit because it has less room eg gen set, freezer, washing machine etc....
So the rig is identical including the triple groove foil and furler with the snap ratchet for the ballooner.

The foam luff... Because of the 'shaped' cut of the Genoa, when it furls the centre section does not wrap as tightly as the top and bottom. So the centre bulges more, leaves creases across the sail and does not drive as efficiently.
Three strips of foam padding(in gradually shorter lengths) are stitched in down the luff. As the sail furls this new 'bulge' gathers more of the centre of the sail giving a better shape that drives better in stronger winds..

As Bill says, it's an omission that should be corrected.

Ian and Linda

'Ocean Hobo' SN96





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hello James,

Thank you.  Been following you through these pages.  When we get to N BVI, if we have a tech prob, we’ll come for a visit in Titusville :-)

You know what you’re doing…

Cheers,


Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007
Lanzarote.



On 17 Nov 2016, at 17:09, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

JPG,


   I hope that you and 007 have a fantastic trip.  Fair winds and following seas..

James Alton
Sueno,  Maramu #220
On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:38 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Gang,


We lesave Lanzarote 2-3 Dec to Guadeloupe.  We expect to be in BVI late Jan.

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007
Lanzarote.


On 17 Nov 2016, at 08:10, James Studdart james.studdart@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Us too... We are heading to the BVI via Antigua from Cape Verde, probably leaving this weekend. We'd be very happy to meet up!

Cheers,
James.
SeaBean SM344

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 at 22:06, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We should also be in the neighborhood by then.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season – STILL

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...




Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?



 

  

Hello Bill, 
I will still be there!
Looking forward to meet you!

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 11/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 4:18 PM


 









Alexandre,
We’ll be headed your way once
we get work done here in Florida.  We might even get there
by January!

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieFort Lauderdale, FL“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Nov 16, 2016, at 17:09,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
One of my neighbors just told
me, he saw a boat like mine anchor near Tortola.  
Would love to meet
other Amel owner. 
Will be staying in
the BVI until the end of January. 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI











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+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...






Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Jamie & Alex

BeBe will arrive about 1 December. I think that ALOHA and RASCAL will also
be arriving about that time. KILKEA will arrive with a new owner about that
time also. I expect KANDIBA 55, RENO SN, and KALI MERA SN to be there, as
well. I think that we will have at least 2 SNs, 6 SMs, 1 54, and 1 55 in
the BVI during December. Probably more, because possibly we will also see
LIBERTAD (Maramu).

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Nov 17, 2016 1:59 PM, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <svbebe@...> wrote:

Jamie,

We will arrive around 1 December for 2 months.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail

On Nov 17, 2016 1:22 PM, "James Wendell ms42phantom54@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



All, I just arrived in the BVIs last Saturday night - Nanny Cay.
We will be here for the next month. I will be keeping my eye out for
other Amels.
Jamie

s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044


On Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:09 PM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@...
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



JPG,

I hope that you and 007 have a fantastic trip. Fair winds and
following seas..

James Alton
Sueno, Maramu #220

On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:38 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Gang,

We lesave Lanzarote 2-3 Dec to Guadeloupe. We expect to be in BVI late
Jan.

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007
Lanzarote.


On 17 Nov 2016, at 08:10, James Studdart james.studdart@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



Us too... We are heading to the BVI via Antigua from Cape Verde, probably
leaving this weekend. We'd be very happy to meet up!

Cheers,
James.
SeaBean SM344
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 at 22:06, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



We should also be in the neighborhood by then.



With best regards,

Mark

Super Maramu 2000
Hull #275
www.creampuff.us
Currently cruising: Tampa Bay for hurricane season – STILL


*From:* amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowner
s@...]
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:23 PM
*To:* amelyachtowners@...



*Subject:* Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?




Hello Bill,
I will still be there!
Looking forward to meet you!

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 11/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <
amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 4:18 PM












Alexandre,
We’ll be headed your way once
we get work done here in Florida. We might even get there
by January!

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieFort Lauderdale, FL“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Nov 16, 2016, at 17:09,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
One of my neighbors just told
me, he saw a boat like mine anchor near Tortola.
Would love to meet
other Amel owner.
Will be staying in
the BVI until the end of January.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI











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+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...
jp.germain45@...







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

karkauai
 

James, you can also bring the ballooner against the Genoa and fuel on one side in an emergency.
Kent 

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
Panama cell: +507-61171896
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:29 PM, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Bill,


   Yes, I know that the twin poles have been around for a long time but I never considered them seriously due to the complications of quickly dousing if needed for a return to windward.  Amel seems to have mostly solved that problem and the reefing ability is a big plus in my book.  I think that I might have a solution of how I can use my existing setup but if it doesn’t work out I will look into upgrading the boat to the Santorin/SM arrangement.

Thanks,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy
On Nov 17, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James,


For a downwind rig without the $$$$ of a new foil, talk to Dave at Island Planet Sails.  He has suggested a pair of nylon ballooners on a rolling rope luff that would sheet through the double wisher poles.  I don’t know if he has actually built one, but it might be worth exploring.

It sounds like it would be easier to set and do everything the standard Amel rig does… except…  I doubt it would be usable partially reefed.  But might be worth investigating.

Poled out twin jibs have ben used by tradewind passagemakers long before Amel started putting them on their boats.  There are lots of ways to skin this cat. Amel's innovation was to make it easy to set the reef the sails and handle really big whisker poles.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Nov 17, 2016, at 07:41, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Ian, Linda and the many others that responded to my questions about new sails..


   Thanks to all for the great input.  After sleeping on all of the information, I find myself drawn back to the original design concept of a 150 Genoa,  it just makes a lot of sense.  It just seems like the go to sail  the planned downwind passages using the twin poles along with a ballooner.  The addition of foam or some other bulking material to the luff to enhance the reefing qualities makes a lot of sense.  I have seen the permanent creases due to stretching that are apparently caused by rolling a shaped sail onto a straight extrusion and then loading that sail.  I don’t see how the 150 would be a good choice reefed as a storm sail and I would like to have aboard a smaller nicely shaped easy to tack jib for windward sailing and higher winds that would be more suitable as a storm sail. So it seems that I will just need to make some room to store one of these sails while the other is in use.  I wonder if by using the Hydranet if the 150 can be made a bit lighter so as to be easier to change with the understanding that the heavier smaller 100-120 would replace it for the expected parts of the trip where the winds will be strong?  Yes, there would be times when sailing through an acceleration zone etc. where I might be caught with the 150 in too much wind so I would need to be careful to not make the sail too light. A lot of the weight of my old 150 seemed to be in the sun cover.  Are there lighter UV covers available?

   I have a question about running twin sails on my Maramu using the twin slot extrusion.  It concerns me a lot having the need to lower the ballooner to furl due to the possible need to quickly turn the boat back upwind…  The concept of being able to furl both the 150 and the Ballooner seems worthy of adding to the boat from a safety standpoint if nothing else.  I was wondering if anyone has ever used a halyard running from the furler head to the furler tack attachment to hoist the ballooner and whether this work in lieu of the snap ratchet upgrade?  I am envisioning a continuous halyard line of small diameter using a small block at each end(high strength Spectra perhaps) that would roll up with the two sails.  The ballooner is so light and easy to raise on my boat that I don’t see why this could not work but what do you think?   The only other option seems to be to hoist both sails together on the same halyard which would be a mess dropping both at the same time, probably as the wind is coming up…  

   Ian and Linda,  Yes, I have seen the Santorins and think that they are lovely boats!  From a distance it is sometimes hard for me to tell them from a SM.  It is interesting to look at the various designs and to see the evolution of these boats.  

Best,

James  Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy


On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:09 AM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
The Santorin is a scaled down SM minus some kit because it has less room eg gen set, freezer, washing machine etc....
So the rig is identical including the triple groove foil and furler with the snap ratchet for the ballooner.

The foam luff... Because of the 'shaped' cut of the Genoa, when it furls the centre section does not wrap as tightly as the top and bottom. So the centre bulges more, leaves creases across the sail and does not drive as efficiently.
Three strips of foam padding(in gradually shorter lengths) are stitched in down the luff. As the sail furls this new 'bulge' gathers more of the centre of the sail giving a better shape that drives better in stronger winds.

As Bill says, it's an omission that should be corrected.

Ian and Linda

'Ocean Hobo' SN96







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Jamie,

I am at Harbour View Marina on the East end.
Looking forward to meet you!

Sincerely, Alexandre



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On Thu, 11/17/16, James Wendell ms42phantom54@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016, 11:19 AM


 









All,
I just arrived in the BVIs last Saturday night - Nanny
Cay.We
will be here for the next month. I will be keeping my eye
out for other Amels.Jamie s/v Phantom Amel
54 #044

On Thursday, November
17, 2016 1:09 PM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@...
[amelyachtowners]"
<amelyachtowners@...> wrote:



 









JPG,
   I hope that you and 007 have
a fantastic trip.  Fair winds and following
seas..
James AltonSueno,  Maramu #220
On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:38 AM,
Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
Hi Gang,
We lesave Lanzarote 2-3 Dec to
Guadeloupe.  We expect to be in BVI late Jan.
Jean-Pierre GermainEleuthera, SM007Lanzarote.

On 17 Nov 2016, at
08:10, James Studdart james.studdart@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
 
Us too... We are heading to the
BVI via Antigua from Cape Verde, probably leaving this
weekend. We'd be very happy to meet up!

Cheers,
James.
SeaBean SM344
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 at
22:06, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
 
We should also be in the neighborhood by then.   With best
regards, Mark Super Maramu
2000Hull #275www.creampuff.usCurrently
cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season – STILL  From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday,
November 16, 2016 5:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...


Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

   Hello Bill, 
I will still be
there!
Looking forward to meet
you!

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed,
11/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners]
<amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:

Subject: Re:
[Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday,
November 16, 2016, 4:18 PM


 









Alexandre,
We’ll be headed your way
once
we get
work done here in Florida.  We might even get there
by January!

Bill KinneySM
#160, HarmonieFort Lauderdale, FL“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Nov 16, 2016, at 17:09,
Alexandre Uster
von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
One of my
neighbors just told
me, he saw a boat like mine
anchor near Tortola.  
Would love to meet
other Amel
owner. 
Will
be staying in
the BVI until the end of
January. 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289
NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Bill,

   Yes, I know that the twin poles have been around for a long time but I never considered them seriously due to the complications of quickly dousing if needed for a return to windward.  Amel seems to have mostly solved that problem and the reefing ability is a big plus in my book.  I think that I might have a solution of how I can use my existing setup but if it doesn’t work out I will look into upgrading the boat to the Santorin/SM arrangement.

Thanks,

James Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy

On Nov 17, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James,


For a downwind rig without the $$$$ of a new foil, talk to Dave at Island Planet Sails.  He has suggested a pair of nylon ballooners on a rolling rope luff that would sheet through the double wisher poles.  I don’t know if he has actually built one, but it might be worth exploring.

It sounds like it would be easier to set and do everything the standard Amel rig does… except…  I doubt it would be usable partially reefed.  But might be worth investigating.

Poled out twin jibs have ben used by tradewind passagemakers long before Amel started putting them on their boats.  There are lots of ways to skin this cat. Amel's innovation was to make it easy to set the reef the sails and handle really big whisker poles.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie
Fort Lauderdale, FL
“Ships and men rot in port."





On Nov 17, 2016, at 07:41, James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Ian, Linda and the many others that responded to my questions about new sails..


   Thanks to all for the great input.  After sleeping on all of the information, I find myself drawn back to the original design concept of a 150 Genoa,  it just makes a lot of sense.  It just seems like the go to sail  the planned downwind passages using the twin poles along with a ballooner.  The addition of foam or some other bulking material to the luff to enhance the reefing qualities makes a lot of sense.  I have seen the permanent creases due to stretching that are apparently caused by rolling a shaped sail onto a straight extrusion and then loading that sail.  I don’t see how the 150 would be a good choice reefed as a storm sail and I would like to have aboard a smaller nicely shaped easy to tack jib for windward sailing and higher winds that would be more suitable as a storm sail. So it seems that I will just need to make some room to store one of these sails while the other is in use.  I wonder if by using the Hydranet if the 150 can be made a bit lighter so as to be easier to change with the understanding that the heavier smaller 100-120 would replace it for the expected parts of the trip where the winds will be strong?  Yes, there would be times when sailing through an acceleration zone etc. where I might be caught with the 150 in too much wind so I would need to be careful to not make the sail too light. A lot of the weight of my old 150 seemed to be in the sun cover.  Are there lighter UV covers available?

   I have a question about running twin sails on my Maramu using the twin slot extrusion.  It concerns me a lot having the need to lower the ballooner to furl due to the possible need to quickly turn the boat back upwind…  The concept of being able to furl both the 150 and the Ballooner seems worthy of adding to the boat from a safety standpoint if nothing else.  I was wondering if anyone has ever used a halyard running from the furler head to the furler tack attachment to hoist the ballooner and whether this work in lieu of the snap ratchet upgrade?  I am envisioning a continuous halyard line of small diameter using a small block at each end(high strength Spectra perhaps) that would roll up with the two sails.  The ballooner is so light and easy to raise on my boat that I don’t see why this could not work but what do you think?   The only other option seems to be to hoist both sails together on the same halyard which would be a mess dropping both at the same time, probably as the wind is coming up…  

   Ian and Linda,  Yes, I have seen the Santorins and think that they are lovely boats!  From a distance it is sometimes hard for me to tell them from a SM.  It is interesting to look at the various designs and to see the evolution of these boats.  

Best,

James  Alton
SV Sueno,  Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy


On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:09 AM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
The Santorin is a scaled down SM minus some kit because it has less room eg gen set, freezer, washing machine etc....
So the rig is identical including the triple groove foil and furler with the snap ratchet for the ballooner.

The foam luff... Because of the 'shaped' cut of the Genoa, when it furls the centre section does not wrap as tightly as the top and bottom. So the centre bulges more, leaves creases across the sail and does not drive as efficiently.
Three strips of foam padding(in gradually shorter lengths) are stitched in down the luff. As the sail furls this new 'bulge' gathers more of the centre of the sail giving a better shape that drives better in stronger winds.

As Bill says, it's an omission that should be corrected.

Ian and Linda

'Ocean Hobo' SN96







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

James Wendell <ms42phantom54@...>
 

All, I just arrived in the BVIs last Saturday night - Nanny Cay.We will be here for the next month. I will be keeping my eye out for other Amels.Jamie s/v Phantom Amel 54 #044

On Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:09 PM, "James Alton lokiyawl2@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


  JPG,
   I hope that you and 007 have a fantastic trip.  Fair winds and following seas..
James AltonSueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:38 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
Hi Gang,
We lesave Lanzarote 2-3 Dec to Guadeloupe.  We expect to be in BVI late Jan.
Jean-Pierre GermainEleuthera, SM007Lanzarote.


On 17 Nov 2016, at 08:10, James Studdart james.studdart@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 
Us too... We are heading to the BVI via Antigua from Cape Verde, probably leaving this weekend. We'd be very happy to meet up!

Cheers,
James.
SeaBean SM344
On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 at 22:06, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
We should also be in the neighborhood by then.   With best regards, Mark Super Maramu 2000Hull #275www.creampuff.usCurrently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season – STILL  From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...


Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

   Hello Bill, 
I will still be there!
Looking forward to meet you!

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 11/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 4:18 PM


 









Alexandre,
We’ll be headed your way once
we get work done here in Florida.  We might even get there
by January!

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieFort Lauderdale, FL“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Nov 16, 2016, at 17:09,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
One of my neighbors just told
me, he saw a boat like mine anchor near Tortola.  
Would love to meet
other Amel owner. 
Will be staying in
the BVI until the end of January. 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI











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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?

James Alton
 

JPG,

   I hope that you and 007 have a fantastic trip.  Fair winds and following seas..

James Alton
Sueno,  Maramu #220

On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:38 AM, Germain Jean-Pierre jgermain@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hi Gang,


We lesave Lanzarote 2-3 Dec to Guadeloupe.  We expect to be in BVI late Jan.

Jean-Pierre Germain
Eleuthera, SM007
Lanzarote.


On 17 Nov 2016, at 08:10, James Studdart james.studdart@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Us too... We are heading to the BVI via Antigua from Cape Verde, probably leaving this weekend. We'd be very happy to meet up!

Cheers,
James.
SeaBean SM344

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 at 22:06, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

We should also be in the neighborhood by then.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Super Maramu 2000

Hull #275

www.creampuff.us

Currently cruising:  Tampa Bay for hurricane season – STILL

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:23 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...




Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?



 

  

Hello Bill, 
I will still be there!
Looking forward to meet you!

Alexandre

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 11/16/16, Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Other Amel in BVI?
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2016, 4:18 PM


 









Alexandre,
We’ll be headed your way once
we get work done here in Florida.  We might even get there
by January!

Bill KinneySM #160, HarmonieFort Lauderdale, FL“Ships and men rot in
port."http://fetchinketch.net






On Nov 16, 2016, at 17:09,
Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@...
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...>
wrote:
One of my neighbors just told
me, he saw a boat like mine anchor near Tortola.  
Would love to meet
other Amel owner. 
Will be staying in
the BVI until the end of January. 

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina,
Tortola, BVI











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+44 7551 211 511
jp.germain@...




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Ian,

   I like your idea of standing in the bow locker.. I will give that one a try!

   My plan was to use small high strength Spectra line as a continuous loop with two small blocks on each end, attached to the head and tack fittings of the furler.  I was envisioning tying a loop into the halyard line to secure the head of the ballooner to and then one other loop to which I would attach a removable length of larger line to do my hoisting with.  Once the ballooner was up, only the loop of the line for the halyard and the sails would be in the foil so that it could be rolled up normally.  I am unsure of how to secure the looped halyard but perhaps I could tie from the hoisting loop down to the tack fitting?  Unless someone can think of a good reason not to try this,  I will plan to do a mock up the next time I am at the boat.  It is certainly great to have so many knowledgeable people to run an idea like this by and get feedback.

Best,

James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax,  Italy


On Nov 17, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

James
I always sit with my feet in the bow locker when hoisting the ballooner. Hoisting is not a problem. The only issue I see is what you do with 13m + of spare halliard once the ballooner is hoisted. It would have to be coiled up and stored, but would also have to rotate as the foil swivels. There's a lot to catch a loose rope end on the deck there. A continuous loop halliard could work, but would need non stretch rope and have to be kept in place with some sort of jammer.
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96



Re: Air Conditioning in a Santorin

jim kennedy <jandrkennedy@...>
 

Ian, thank you for taking the time to reply - some real gems in this answer - and also Ric.

best regards

Jim


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Ian Park
 

James
I always sit with my feet in the bow locker when hoisting the ballooner. Hoisting is not a problem. The only issue I see is what you do with 13m + of spare halliard once the ballooner is hoisted. It would have to be coiled up and stored, but would also have to rotate as the foil swivels. There's a lot to catch a loose rope end on the deck there. A continuous loop halliard could work, but would need non stretch rope and have to be kept in place with some sort of jammer.
Ian
Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

James Alton
 

Ian,
   We  had 40 plus knots on a broad reach this season due a squeeze between Isladora and the mainland that was not expected.  We had what was left of the original 150 up deeply reefed part of the main and a bit of the mizzen.  The genoa was a horrible shape but the boat was regularly breaking 9 knots and over 10  a couple of times.  You make a good point..off the wind an ugly sail works about as good as one that is nicely shaped. Maybe you are also making a subtle suggestion as well to not reduce the weight of the cloth in the 150 to be prepared for the unexpected?  I am still pondering that question.
   Can you think of a reason that a halyard lifting from the furler head could not be used to hoist the balloner?  The objective would be to allow both downwind sails to be rolled as without lowering the Ballooner.
Best,
James Alton
SV Sueno, Maramu #220
Arbatax, Italy


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-------- Original message --------
From: "Ian Park parkianj@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: 11-17-2016 11:16 AM (GMT-04:00)
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails


 

James
Re heavy weather sailing, while we still had the 150% Genoa we encountered F8/9 crossing Biscay and west coast of Scotland. The Genoa reefed would not have helped sailing very close to the wind, but just using the mizzen and half furled Genoa the boat was easily manageable and very comfortable heading upwind. The advantage of a ketch rig!

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] New sails

Ian Park
 

James
Re heavy weather sailing, while we still had the 150% Genoa we encountered F8/9 crossing Biscay and west coast of Scotland. The Genoa reefed would not have helped sailing very close to the wind, but just using the mizzen and half furled Genoa the boat was easily manageable and very comfortable heading upwind. The advantage of a ketch rig!

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] What to do with the hole...

James Studdart
 

Hi Bill,
Any chance you could put a photo of those traps online? We've had both the odd sound in the pipe (when the generator is running for us) and wind blowing through and into the heads. I would love to solve both once and for all.

Cheers,
James
SeaBean SM344
Cape Verde


On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:18 AM Bill Kinney greatketch@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

For those of you having problems with noises from a P79 in-hull transducer…  have you checked to be sure that the level of the propylene glycol in the housing is sufficient?  My transducer does make audible sound when it is in my hand, but that goes away completely when it is in the housing and submerged in the glycol.  

Also, on the drain noises in the forward head: The former owners of Harmonie fixed that as a side effect of fixing another issue with the drains.  They noticed that when the wind blew the right way, it blew into the passive engine room vent, and ended up pushing odors from the engine room and bilge sump back up into the heads.  They fixed it by fabricating simple traps from three elbows where the drains dumped into the bilge sump.  No more bilge stink in the head no matter the wind direction.  The same installation also keeps the drain lines from “gurgling” with small pressure changes or boat movements.

A minor, and completely reversible, tweak to the Amel installation that we have not seen any downside to.

Bill Kinney
SM #160, Harmonie

Fort Lauderdale, FL

“Ships and men rot in port."


On Nov 16, 2016, at 06:39, 'Herbert Lackner' herbert@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Kent,  we have also the noise from the greywater sink in the foreward head, but only when motoring at a certain RPM. When we got the boat I was looking for a pump that „runs dry“ but could of course not find one…, then we found out that it is just a special frequency that starts the noise,  small amount of water stops it immediately...

  

The P79 sound is not very loud, at the beginning I could hardly hear it. But is is like this drop of water that falls on the head every minute – when you start to hear it you are waiting for the next tick and that drives me crazy J

It gets louder when in deep water (frequency change) and more silent in shallow waters.  There is absolutely no sound from the two echo sounders that I have in „Through hulls“, the B&G and the DST800 that I use.  

 

Unfortunately there is no switch for turning the P79 on or off and it is stated in the documentation that it must not be disconnected/connected from the plotter when the plotter is powered on – so diconneting/connecting requires plotter Off/On.  That is the reason why I disconnected it and have it only as a redundancy system (number 3 J).  But maybe I find a way to isolate it then I will leave  it on and watch the fishfinder Screen until a fish pops up 

 

Herbert

KALI MERA, SN120, still on the hard in Trinidad but in the water again in two weeks