Date   

Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

Rudolf Waldispuehl
 

Hello Oliver
Thanks a lot, this is great and useful information.
Best rgds.
Ruedi

Von: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>
Antworten an: Beaute Olivier <atlanticyachtsurvey@...>
Datum: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 21:26
An: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>, Rudolf Waldispuehl <rudolf@...>
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

Hello Rüdi,

there has been indeed 165 AMEL 54 made from 2005 to 2011.
Most of them are equipped with FURUNO pilots with hydaulic drives. However, there has been around 40 AMEL 54 originally equipped with Raymarine pilots and electric drives. No B&G pilots but B&G sailing computers (HYDRA 3000).
Of course, as on many AMEL models, there has been some changes with time in the equipment of the AMEL 54, mainly:
-two types of engines: VOLVO D3-110 and VOLKSWAGEN TDI 140-5 (both 5 cylinders with low rpm max torque) All have AUTOPROP props
-two types of bow-thrusters, both with a SLEIPNER SIDE-POWER base but with 4 blades props and maintenance or 5 blades-maintenance free
-two DOLPHIN or MASTERVOLT battery chargers
-one or two windlass (capstan type) 
-two types of gangway (electric or hydraulic)
-genoa furler upgrades (3)
-mainsail in-mast furler (2)
-two kinds of generators ONAN 9.5 or 11kW
-three kinds of watermakers, all from DESSALATOR
-some have two freezers (instead of one)
and some more including several kinds of electronics that I cannot detail quickly here.
Diesel fuel heaters were only installed upon client's wish (not standard).
AMEL never installed stern arches, but some AMEL 54 are equipped with nicely done aluminum stern arches for dinghy and solar panels/wind generators
AMEL installed S/S Simpson electric davits upon client's wish. 

There has been two major recalls from AMEL: main mast reinforcement and Harken deck switches (instead of LEWMAR).

If you have already visited an AMEL 54, you may ask me more questions on this forum or on my gmail address:
olivierbeaute at gmail dot com.

Olivier BEAUTE.




On Monday, July 17, 2017 4:14 PM, "Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


 
Ruedi,

The best guy for all this is Joel Potter on this web site; he knows everything - I can copy you the User Manual and the Owner manual - I thought that was what you were after.

I think  about 175 Amel 54’s were built.

My autopilot is Electric Raymarine and I post installed a hydraulic back up as a modification. I have just completed circumnavigation and never had an autopilot problem although it must have been working 90% of sailing and motoring time.

original equipment B & G Instruments, Furuno radar/chart plotter, Raymarine VHF, HF SSB was an option I do not know what Amel installed originally - I did a retrofit with an Icom 801/2. My 54 has Volvo 110 D3 and Kubota, driving Cummings generator 11KVA - Climma Aircon. There is no heater but an Eberspatcher option is available.

I hope this helps but Joel is the best at this.

Peter 
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 17 Jul 2017, at 14:59, Rudolf Waldispuehl <rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi Peter

Thanks, english is not a problem. 

Mainly I tried to find out how many Amel 54 was build and which hull number on which years. 
But also what kind of original manufacturer equipment they used as standard in those years. 

E.g. I have seen P&G and Raymarine as autopilot equipment. One question was; does AMEL used on the AMEL 54 electrical autopilot or hydraulic ones? 

Thanks for investigation and best regards
Ruedi
Currently "boatless" ;)

Von: "Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Antworten an: <amelyachtowners@...>
Datum: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 15:20
An: "Barry Connor connor_barry@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc: <uster@...>
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

Ruedi,

I have masses of data on the 54 - what are you looking for.

mine is all in English however.

best wishes
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 17 Jul 2017, at 14:18, Rudolf Waldispuehl Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Good afternoon Alexandre and AMEL folks 

I'm also very new with this group and I have tried out and explored "www.sailboatdata.com" by curiosity because I'm searching data for AMEL 54. 
I was surprised that there is no data about the AMEL 54. There are literally all AMEL-Models on the list even the new AMEL 55 but not the AMEL 54 build from 2005 until 2012? Is there a reason for it?

Is there a certain number of AMEL 54 users/community on this amelowners@yahoogroup who may be surprised/curious about this fact as well?

Thanks
Ruedi
Von: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Antworten an: <amelyachtowners@...>
Datum: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 13:23
An: <amelyachtowners@...>
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

 
Good morning Thomas, 
Pretty cool!  
Congratulations and welcome to the group!  
Here are some link (mostly in French) on the Amel Copain:  
http://flot18.free.fr/Copain.html
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=8667
http://www.minicroiseur.fr/de-4.83-a-6m/114/copain.htm

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Plaisance de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 7/17/17, Tom thom_sg@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, July 17, 2017, 4:40 AM

Hello,
my
name is Thomas and I am new in this group.
Last
month I bought an old "Le Copain" here in
Germany.
I
like this small boat but also need additional
informations
like constructional drawings
and / or brochures and handouts.
I
know that this boat was build in the 1960s, but I hope
someone
here in the group has informations
for me.
ThanksThomas







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

Ryan Meador
 

This is a single-owner boat that has always had that name.  The owner's name is Frank.  The boat is located in Huntington, NY.  It is not a SM 2000, I think it is one of the last of the original SM.  It was built in 1998.

I did not ask Amel about any particular part, I was just seeking general info.  Perhaps more specific inquiries will get better results :)

Bill, I will send you an email off-list presently.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:41 PM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Ryan,
   Congratulations.  I don't have any info on your hull number but I did tour hull 232 which I believe was the first SM 2000.  

The Amel parts department has been reported to be slow to respond.  I have been told to email the parts person directly.  Her name is Maud,  I am on phone right this moment so don't have her email handy, but you should be able to search the forum for her.

I bought my SM in Le Marin and ordered all my parts through the Amel service manager Jean Collins.  Parts arrived in two days from France.  If you are near Martinique I would touch base with him.  

Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston, SC
 

On Jul 17, 2017 4:27 PM, "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi all,
I'm likely going to be buying Super Maramu hull #233, Monarae.  Do any of you have any insider info on this boat?

Also, how does one contact the Amel parts department?  I tried emailing through the generic contact form on their website and didn't get a response, I haven't tried calling yet.

Thanks,
Ryan




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

John Clark
 

Hi Ryan,
   Congratulations.  I don't have any info on your hull number but I did tour hull 232 which I believe was the first SM 2000.  

The Amel parts department has been reported to be slow to respond.  I have been told to email the parts person directly.  Her name is Maud,  I am on phone right this moment so don't have her email handy, but you should be able to search the forum for her.

I bought my SM in Le Marin and ordered all my parts through the Amel service manager Jean Collins.  Parts arrived in two days from France.  If you are near Martinique I would touch base with him.  

Regards,  John

John Clark
SV Annie SM 37
Charleston, SC
 

On Jul 17, 2017 4:27 PM, "Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,
I'm likely going to be buying Super Maramu hull #233, Monarae.  Do any of you have any insider info on this boat?

Also, how does one contact the Amel parts department?  I tried emailing through the generic contact form on their website and didn't get a response, I haven't tried calling yet.

Thanks,
Ryan



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ryan,

I stand corrected...I know a little about that boat.

When you get a chance call me, or email me at bill"at"amelschool.com


Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Ryan,

I cannot help you with Monarae. Possibly it had another name. Where is it? Who is the owner? Who is the broker? More information from you will likely get you more information from someone in this group.

When buying an Amel it is usually important to know something about the owner. If you buy an Amel from a caring owner, you will likely be OK.

If you are sending an email to SAV"at"amel.fr without ordering a specific part, you will likely not get a reply. What did you ask for? If you prefer, give me a call and I will explain how parts ordering works and which parts they are likely to have...my cell is below.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970







On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi all,
I'm likely going to be buying Super Maramu hull #233, Monarae.  Do any of you have any insider info on this boat?

Also, how does one contact the Amel parts department?  I tried emailing through the generic contact form on their website and didn't get a response, I haven't tried calling yet.

Thanks,
Ryan




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Ryan,

I cannot help you with Monarae. Possibly it had another name. Where is it? Who is the owner? Who is the broker? More information from you will likely get you more information from someone in this group.

When buying an Amel it is usually important to know something about the owner. If you buy an Amel from a caring owner, you will likely be OK.

If you are sending an email to SAV"at"amel.fr without ordering a specific part, you will likely not get a reply. What did you ask for? If you prefer, give me a call and I will explain how parts ordering works and which parts they are likely to have...my cell is below.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970







On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Ryan Meador ryan.d.meador@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,
I'm likely going to be buying Super Maramu hull #233, Monarae.  Do any of you have any insider info on this boat?

Also, how does one contact the Amel parts department?  I tried emailing through the generic contact form on their website and didn't get a response, I haven't tried calling yet.

Thanks,
Ryan



Re: Lofrans Tigres and snubbers

Miles
 

HI Stephen,

 

Sorry that I missed you in Newport.   As usual, Kent’s advice is worth taking.  Like Kent, I use about 30 feet of stretchy line for the snubber.  As Kent says, it makes the boat happy. 

Like my boat, the Lofrans is now 19 years old.   I replaced the motor about 5 years ago.  The replacement rather than a cheap motor rebuild was necessary because I keep using it when it clearly needed something.   The rest of the windless was in fine shape.  Are you sure that you need a complete rebuild?  

If you do replace it, I would urge that you keep the Amel configuration.  Holes in the deck are never a good idea.  When I am on the boat next, I will try to find the company in Turkey that I bought rubber caps and spare electric switches from. 

If it would be helpful, do not hesitate to phone me in Newport to discuss any of this.

 

Miles,  SM 216 Ladybug.  Newport, RI Harbor.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

greatketch@...
 

On the windlass switches:

I don't like the ones that Amel mounted on the windlass housing. The issue I have with them is I can not see the anchor coming up with hands or foot on those switches.  Watching what is happening is important--to me. Those switches also give another possible route for water ingress to the motor housing.  When ours failed we replaced the rubber covered switches with o-ring sealed metal ones, but we almost never use them. If I was installing a new windlass, I would not miss them.

The previous owner of our boat installed a handheld remote switch and that is the solution we always use when pulling up the anchor.  The remote is wired to a socket installed in the port side bow locker.  The coiled cord is long enough to let us lean over the bow pulpit and watch the chain and anchor as it comes up.  A much better solution, at least for me.  I find the control of a finger operated switch to be more precise and accurate than a foot switch.  I think foot switches, even with covers, have too high a likelihood of accidental activation.  The new switches we installed on the motor housing are recessed.  You can't turn them on with a shoed foot, but it is also really hard to bump them on by accident.

Any waterproof switch, is going to need to be replaced as a routine maintenance item--before it fails.  Most deck switches have a 3 to 5 year life span.  Our remote control lives below deck, out of sun and water. 

My thoughts on anchoring procedures in general can be read here: https://fetchinketch.net/boat_thoughts/anchoring-is-easy/

Bill Kinney
SM#160 Harmonie
Beverly, Mass


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Steve,

The downside to a foot switch(s) is that you will drill holes in the deck. 

Personally, I would never do that, but some people have.

The Lofrans/Amel button switches are great, but are better if you go forward with a brush on a long handle. You may or may not need the brush to clean the chain in all muddy anchorages, but the handle is perfect for operating the buttons...you can actually lean over the rail and press the button with the handle.

I would only use a chain stopper, if you already have one, and also only to keep the anchor retained on deck for passages. If you don't have a stopper, I would recommend not installing one (see above drilling holes), but be sure that you tie the anchor on board for passages. It is really great that the Lofrans has the cleat on top because after wrapping a piece of line twice around the chain, I would cleat it to that cleat because you can see that cleat from the helm. BeBe #387 came from the Amel yard with a piece of line secured to the large center cleat and about 1 meter long...perfect for securing the anchor...do you know how many anchors with chain are lost on passages?

For what it is worth, I used a 7 meter long snubber made from 1" multiplait nylon line with a loop at one end and a Stainless Pelican Hook at the other. If you have a tri-roller on the bow, use the center roller for the snubber. Leave a large loop of lazy chain on the boat side of the hook. Always grease the cone clutch of your windlass so that it WILL slip with heavy tension.

BTW, isn't 49kg overkill? I have anchored around the world with a 30kg Wasi Bugel which came with #387. With the correct technique it never will let you down.

I hope this helps you.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

Beaute Olivier
 

Hello Rüdi,

there has been indeed 165 AMEL 54 made from 2005 to 2011.
Most of them are equipped with FURUNO pilots with hydaulic drives. However, there has been around 40 AMEL 54 originally equipped with Raymarine pilots and electric drives. No B&G pilots but B&G sailing computers (HYDRA 3000).
Of course, as on many AMEL models, there has been some changes with time in the equipment of the AMEL 54, mainly:
-two types of engines: VOLVO D3-110 and VOLKSWAGEN TDI 140-5 (both 5 cylinders with low rpm max torque) All have AUTOPROP props
-two types of bow-thrusters, both with a SLEIPNER SIDE-POWER base but with 4 blades props and maintenance or 5 blades-maintenance free
-two DOLPHIN or MASTERVOLT battery chargers
-one or two windlass (capstan type) 
-two types of gangway (electric or hydraulic)
-genoa furler upgrades (3)
-mainsail in-mast furler (2)
-two kinds of generators ONAN 9.5 or 11kW
-three kinds of watermakers, all from DESSALATOR
-some have two freezers (instead of one)
and some more including several kinds of electronics that I cannot detail quickly here.
Diesel fuel heaters were only installed upon client's wish (not standard).
AMEL never installed stern arches, but some AMEL 54 are equipped with nicely done aluminum stern arches for dinghy and solar panels/wind generators
AMEL installed S/S Simpson electric davits upon client's wish. 

There has been two major recalls from AMEL: main mast reinforcement and Harken deck switches (instead of LEWMAR).

If you have already visited an AMEL 54, you may ask me more questions on this forum or on my gmail address:
olivierbeaute at gmail dot com.

Olivier BEAUTE.




On Monday, July 17, 2017 4:14 PM, "Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Ruedi,

The best guy for all this is Joel Potter on this web site; he knows everything - I can copy you the User Manual and the Owner manual - I thought that was what you were after.

I think  about 175 Amel 54’s were built.

My autopilot is Electric Raymarine and I post installed a hydraulic back up as a modification. I have just completed circumnavigation and never had an autopilot problem although it must have been working 90% of sailing and motoring time.

original equipment B & G Instruments, Furuno radar/chart plotter, Raymarine VHF, HF SSB was an option I do not know what Amel installed originally - I did a retrofit with an Icom 801/2. My 54 has Volvo 110 D3 and Kubota, driving Cummings generator 11KVA - Climma Aircon. There is no heater but an Eberspatcher option is available.

I hope this helps but Joel is the best at this.

Peter 
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 17 Jul 2017, at 14:59, Rudolf Waldispuehl <rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi Peter

Thanks, english is not a problem. 

Mainly I tried to find out how many Amel 54 was build and which hull number on which years. 
But also what kind of original manufacturer equipment they used as standard in those years. 

E.g. I have seen P&G and Raymarine as autopilot equipment. One question was; does AMEL used on the AMEL 54 electrical autopilot or hydraulic ones? 

Thanks for investigation and best regards
Ruedi
Currently "boatless" ;)

Von: "Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Antworten an: <amelyachtowners@...>
Datum: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 15:20
An: "Barry Connor connor_barry@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc: <uster@...>
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

Ruedi,

I have masses of data on the 54 - what are you looking for.

mine is all in English however.

best wishes
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 17 Jul 2017, at 14:18, Rudolf Waldispuehl Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Good afternoon Alexandre and AMEL folks 

I'm also very new with this group and I have tried out and explored "www.sailboatdata.com" by curiosity because I'm searching data for AMEL 54. 
I was surprised that there is no data about the AMEL 54. There are literally all AMEL-Models on the list even the new AMEL 55 but not the AMEL 54 build from 2005 until 2012? Is there a reason for it?

Is there a certain number of AMEL 54 users/community on this amelowners@yahoogroup who may be surprised/curious about this fact as well?

Thanks
Ruedi
Von: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Antworten an: <amelyachtowners@...>
Datum: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 13:23
An: <amelyachtowners@...>
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

 
Good morning Thomas, 
Pretty cool!  
Congratulations and welcome to the group!  
Here are some link (mostly in French) on the Amel Copain:  
http://flot18.free.fr/Copain.html
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=8667
http://www.minicroiseur.fr/de-4.83-a-6m/114/copain.htm

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Plaisance de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 7/17/17, Tom thom_sg@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, July 17, 2017, 4:40 AM

Hello,
my
name is Thomas and I am new in this group.
Last
month I bought an old "Le Copain" here in
Germany.
I
like this small boat but also need additional
informations
like constructional drawings
and / or brochures and handouts.
I
know that this boat was build in the 1960s, but I hope
someone
here in the group has informations
for me.
ThanksThomas







Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good afternoon Steven,

I totally agree with you on the ease to just swap with a new windlass.
Should you want to rebuilt your Tigres Windlass, here is the illustration.
Took me 6 half days or about 30 hours.
http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_overhaul.html

Personally I would keep the old rear housing.

If your electric motor is still working, I would keep it as a spare, someone might need one.
I would keep every working part as a spare (bolt, etc.).

I purchase all my spare parts from Imtra in the US as well as from Amel Martinique and La Rochelle
You can see the list on:
http://nikimat.com/spare_parts_windlass_lofran_tigre.html

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Plaisance de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI



--------------------------------------------

On Mon, 7/17/17, stephen_lees@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, July 17, 2017, 10:54 AM


 









Thank you all for your responses. My wife an I have
owned our SM for 4 years now an do truly understand Henri
Amel's passion and precision that went into all his
boat, but the Auper Maramu especially. We fully respect the
design and are committed to maintaining its integrity.



The current problems with our windlass re the result of poor
or no maintainace by previous owners (and the current ones),
coming up to speed too slowly on the appropriate use of a
windlass (first boat with an electric one) and recent change
to a 49 kg Vulcan anchor which does not sit well on the bow
and is difficult to not tension the chain on the windlass
when it comes aboard. So user neglect, user misuse and the
learning curve with the new anchor have brought me to the
current place.



So you learn from you errors and when I get to that place I
spend a lot of time educating myself. That is what lead me
to the Lofrans windlass selection chart. I was curious about
what this group had to say and appreciate it.



So I have priced the repair parts which come to about USD
2,000 and a new 1,500 watt Tigres is about USD 2,800 (all
from P2marine.com). So monetarily itt makes sense to go
with a new one even though I would do the rebuild (and part
of me would enjoy rebuilding it), but they come with a foot
switch and not the customized electric buttons on the rear
housing. I would guess I could use the old rear housing on
the new body and put in new switches. Or drill out the new
rear housing for the switches.



It is possible to get replacement 1,200 watt motors so I
might be able to get one configured that way, though I
believe the 100 watt breaker already servicing the windlass
and foc furler motor would be sufficient for th 1,500 watt
version.



Can anyone comment on the foot switch versus button
solutions or should I just respect the Amel solution?
Besides, the idea of drilling another hole in the foredeck
doesn't sound appealing to me.



Finally, can anyone comment on sources in the US besides
P2marine.com and Lofrans dealers. Or does Amel sell the
original setup and should be considered?



Best,

Stephen Lees

New York, NY

SV Sequel

SM#349


considering purchase of SM #233 Monarae

Ryan Meador
 

Hi all,
I'm likely going to be buying Super Maramu hull #233, Monarae.  Do any of you have any insider info on this boat?

Also, how does one contact the Amel parts department?  I tried emailing through the generic contact form on their website and didn't get a response, I haven't tried calling yet.

Thanks,
Ryan


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigres Undersized

stephen_lees@...
 

Mike and Peta,

Steve Leeds I Ft Lauderdale had mentioned to me a few years ago a source in the US plus he said he sometimes has some in stock. He specializes in servicing Super Maramus in Ft Lauderdale. His phone is (954) 608-1551 and his email is circumnavigators@gmail.com

Stephen
S/V Sequel
SM349


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigres Undersized

stephen_lees@...
 

Thanks Kent,

Yes, I have been using a snubber ever since our first sailboat purchased in 1997. I also understand the chain stopper is to temporarily avoid strain on the windlass while anchoring.

Best,
Stephen
S/V Sequel
SM349


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigres Undersized

Mike Johnson
 

Hi,

Agree with Kent. We use 10m of nylon rode and it transforms the ride at anchor.

Whilst on the subject of the Locrans Tigres - does any know where the rubber waterproof switch covers can be obtained?

Mike & Peta
Solitude
SM2K 461

On 17 Jul 2017, at 17:53, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Stephen,
The chain stopper is used to take the pressure off the chain temporarily, not to be used long term while at anchor.  Get a nice long snubber (25-30 ft of 3/4-1")with a chain hook. Attach that to your chain and the big cleat amidships and let out enough more chain to allow the snubber to take the load.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Lofrans Tigres Undersized

karkauai
 

Hi Stephen,
The chain stopper is used to take the pressure off the chain temporarily, not to be used long term while at anchor.  Get a nice long snubber (25-30 ft of 3/4-1")with a chain hook. Attach that to your chain and the big cleat amidships and let out enough more chain to allow the snubber to take the load.

Kent
S/V Kristy
SM243


Re: Lofrans Tigres Undersized

stephen_lees@...
 

One additional question. I my learning process I have come to understand that the use of a chain stopper can simply and easily reduce strain on the windlass when anchoring. Has anyone install a chain stopper and if so what did you use, how did you configure it and would you do anything differently. I photo would be wonderful.

Stephen Lees
New York, NY
SV Sequel SM#349


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Lofrans Tigres Undersized

stephen_lees@...
 

Thank you all for your responses. My wife an I have owned our SM for 4 years now an do truly understand Henri Amel's passion and precision that went into all his boat, but the Auper Maramu especially. We fully respect the design and are committed to maintaining its integrity.

The current problems with our windlass re the result of poor or no maintainace by previous owners (and the current ones), coming up to speed too slowly on the appropriate use of a windlass (first boat with an electric one) and recent change to a 49 kg Vulcan anchor which does not sit well on the bow and is difficult to not tension the chain on the windlass when it comes aboard. So user neglect, user misuse and the learning curve with the new anchor have brought me to the current place.

So you learn from you errors and when I get to that place I spend a lot of time educating myself. That is what lead me to the Lofrans windlass selection chart. I was curious about what this group had to say and appreciate it.

So I have priced the repair parts which come to about USD 2,000 and a new 1,500 watt Tigres is about USD 2,800 (all from P2marine.com). So monetarily itt makes sense to go with a new one even though I would do the rebuild (and part of me would enjoy rebuilding it), but they come with a foot switch and not the customized electric buttons on the rear housing. I would guess I could use the old rear housing on the new body and put in new switches. Or drill out the new rear housing for the switches.

It is possible to get replacement 1,200 watt motors so I might be able to get one configured that way, though I believe the 100 watt breaker already servicing the windlass and foc furler motor would be sufficient for th 1,500 watt version.

Can anyone comment on the foot switch versus button solutions or should I just respect the Amel solution? Besides, the idea of drilling another hole in the foredeck doesn't sound appealing to me.

Finally, can anyone comment on sources in the US besides P2marine.com and Lofrans dealers. Or does Amel sell the original setup and should be considered?

Best,
Stephen Lees
New York, NY
SV Sequel
SM#349


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

Peter Forbes
 

Ruedi,

The best guy for all this is Joel Potter on this web site; he knows everything - I can copy you the User Manual and the Owner manual - I thought that was what you were after.

I think  about 175 Amel 54’s were built.

My autopilot is Electric Raymarine and I post installed a hydraulic back up as a modification. I have just completed circumnavigation and never had an autopilot problem although it must have been working 90% of sailing and motoring time.

original equipment B & G Instruments, Furuno radar/chart plotter, Raymarine VHF, HF SSB was an option I do not know what Amel installed originally - I did a retrofit with an Icom 801/2. My 54 has Volvo 110 D3 and Kubota, driving Cummings generator 11KVA - Climma Aircon. There is no heater but an Eberspatcher option is available.

I hope this helps but Joel is the best at this.

Peter 
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 17 Jul 2017, at 14:59, Rudolf Waldispuehl <rudolf@...> wrote:

Hi Peter

Thanks, english is not a problem. 

Mainly I tried to find out how many Amel 54 was build and which hull number on which years. 
But also what kind of original manufacturer equipment they used as standard in those years. 

E.g. I have seen P&G and Raymarine as autopilot equipment. One question was; does AMEL used on the AMEL 54 electrical autopilot or hydraulic ones? 

Thanks for investigation and best regards
Ruedi
Currently "boatless" ;)

Von: "Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Antworten an: <amelyachtowners@...>
Datum: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 15:20
An: "Barry Connor connor_barry@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Cc: <uster@...>
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

Ruedi,


I have masses of data on the 54 - what are you looking for.

mine is all in English however.

best wishes
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 17 Jul 2017, at 14:18, Rudolf Waldispuehl Rudolf@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:


Good afternoon Alexandre and AMEL folks 

I'm also very new with this group and I have tried out and explored "www.sailboatdata.com" by curiosity because I'm searching data for AMEL 54. 
I was surprised that there is no data about the AMEL 54. There are literally all AMEL-Models on the list even the new AMEL 55 but not the AMEL 54 build from 2005 until 2012? Is there a reason for it?

Is there a certain number of AMEL 54 users/community on this amelowners@yahoogroup who may be surprised/curious about this fact as well?

Thanks
Ruedi
Von: "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Antworten an: <amelyachtowners@...>
Datum: Montag, 17. Juli 2017 13:23
An: <amelyachtowners@...>
Betreff: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain

 

Good morning Thomas, 
Pretty cool!  
Congratulations and welcome to the group!  
Here are some link (mostly in French) on the Amel Copain:  
http://flot18.free.fr/Copain.html
http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=8667
http://www.minicroiseur.fr/de-4.83-a-6m/114/copain.htm

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Port de Plaisance de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy, FWI

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 7/17/17, Tom thom_sg@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Le Copain
To: "amelyachtowners@..." <amelyachtowners@...>
Date: Monday, July 17, 2017, 4:40 AM

Hello,
my
name is Thomas and I am new in this group.
Last
month I bought an old "Le Copain" here in
Germany.
I
like this small boat but also need additional
informations
like constructional drawings
and / or brochures and handouts.
I
know that this boat was build in the 1960s, but I hope
someone
here in the group has informations
for me.
ThanksThomas