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Re: sm 53 vs 54

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

IMO – both boats are great boats. They have multiple advantages over other production yachts. Both will get you from A to B safely.

 

You don’t state where you are located (200g is not a currency). I’m assuming you are USA. If so, Bill and Joel are great resources. If not, in Europe Olivier Beauté is a person to contact.

 

Regarding the 200g, if you are full-time cruising, this will go a long way to being able to take tours, eat out, marina stays, trips home, add a dive-tank compressor etc. For us, this is about 3 years cruising budget. But then again, this amount of money might not be that important to you.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:14 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io; main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

Mark,

That's kind of my point I'm more interested in what you see as a pro or con.  You have much more experience than I do.  Now I may decide your opinion on something isn't that big a deal in the grand scheme of things but I do think it's important to hear those opinions.   Never know what I might learn.

 

Cruising couple, but must be able to single hand.  Will be taking crew from time to time.  Boat will be for world cruising/live aboard.  It professional but grew up with a boaty diesel mechanic father.  Have rebuilt gasoline and diesel engines and winter chores included re varnishing our 15' wood runabout.     Don't mind a project but would like to  find a boat that has been taken care of and appreciated by their owner.

 

I just thought it could be informative, given the money.  Which you would buy?  If you are paying cash is the 54 worth the extra to you or would you pocket the difference and get the 53.

 

I was honestly all in on the 54 for but recently thought, well how many guests are you actually going to have?   Do you really like it 200g  more than the 53 which seems to be the going difference?  Just wondered what others thoughts were.  

 

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:57:00 PM CDT, james Hosford via groups.io <jay.hosford@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Bill,

I will take you up on that.

 

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:50:57 PM CDT, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

 

 

Both the SM & the 54 are good Amels. There are differences, advantages, and disadvantages.

 

You may not be aware, but I offer 1 hour free consulting to non-owners of Amel yachts.

 

Maybe you should check this out.

 

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:38 PM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

James,
The majority of us have probably only owned one Amel. A lucky few will have upgraded to a newer model. There is much expertise in this group about each model, but I don’t think there is a font of knowledge about comparisons of pros and cons between each model.
I think you need to do some more personal research and then ask some specific questions about the ones you are interested in.

Good fortune with your research. Whatever the result, you will like most of us, be very happy with the AMEL you choose.

Ian

Ocean Hobo, Santorin 96



Re: sm 53 vs 54

amelforme
 

I have owned two 53’ Super  Maramus as well as a Amel 54, as have several other people in this group and can tell you all about the differences and relative pluses an minuses. I also sold all the 53’s and 54’s that were sold to customers in North America so I am pretty familiar with why people like which one better.  

 

All the best,

Joel

 

           JOEL F. POTTER ~ CRUISING YACHT SPECIALIST, L.L.C.

                                         The Experienced AMEL Guy

UNSURPASSED AMEL MARKETING EXPERIENCE AND PRODUCT KNOWLEDGE

                                  Office 954-462-5869  Cell 954-812-2485

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Courtney Gorman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 2:22 PM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

Contact Joel Potter he is a wealth of information 

Cheers 

Courtney 

Trippin

54#101



On Jul 2, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



James,

 

Things like, how many people in the family or sailing solo, where do you plan to sail, do you want turn-key or fixer-upper, etc.? People can then offer more tailored answers. What some people see as a pro or con may be completely different to you. For example, the main reason I would not want a 54 is it is powered by Volvo. But, if you differ in your opinion of Volvo engines, then me stating this is to you is futile. Hopefully you see my point. This is really like asking people which anchor they prefer.

 

Also, most of what you are asking can be answered by using the search feature of this group. There are several posts detailing the differences between Amels.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:21 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io; main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

 

Not quite sure what details would help.   Just want to know from the group that knows the most about Amels, pros cons of the 53 vs the 54 for someone who is shopping.  Is the 54 obviously better and worth the extra money?  Little things like the switch to Bowmar furlers, that now have developed a reputation of not being as good as the Amel made ones on the 53....etc

 

Basically for a person that doesn't know as much , or have as much experience with Amels as you do, which would you prefer and why?

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:12:52 PM CDT, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

 

 

James,

 

I think you need to provide more detail if you want helpful answers.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

How man 53 owners would trade up for a 54 if money were no object.  Why or why not?

 

Very interested in a 54 but maybe a better choice to keep the extra 200g and get a 53?

 

Thanks for your help


Re: sm 53 vs 54

Courtney Gorman
 

Contact Joel Potter he is a wealth of information 
Cheers 
Courtney 
Trippin
54#101


On Jul 2, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



James,

 

Things like, how many people in the family or sailing solo, where do you plan to sail, do you want turn-key or fixer-upper, etc.? People can then offer more tailored answers. What some people see as a pro or con may be completely different to you. For example, the main reason I would not want a 54 is it is powered by Volvo. But, if you differ in your opinion of Volvo engines, then me stating this is to you is futile. Hopefully you see my point. This is really like asking people which anchor they prefer.

 

Also, most of what you are asking can be answered by using the search feature of this group. There are several posts detailing the differences between Amels.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:21 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io; main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

 

Not quite sure what details would help.   Just want to know from the group that knows the most about Amels, pros cons of the 53 vs the 54 for someone who is shopping.  Is the 54 obviously better and worth the extra money?  Little things like the switch to Bowmar furlers, that now have developed a reputation of not being as good as the Amel made ones on the 53....etc

 

Basically for a person that doesn't know as much , or have as much experience with Amels as you do, which would you prefer and why?

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:12:52 PM CDT, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

 

 

James,

 

I think you need to provide more detail if you want helpful answers.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

How man 53 owners would trade up for a 54 if money were no object.  Why or why not?

 

Very interested in a 54 but maybe a better choice to keep the extra 200g and get a 53?

 

Thanks for your help


Re: sm 53 vs 54

james Hosford
 

Mark,
That's kind of my point I'm more interested in what you see as a pro or con.  You have much more experience than I do.  Now I may decide your opinion on something isn't that big a deal in the grand scheme of things but I do think it's important to hear those opinions.   Never know what I might learn.

Cruising couple, but must be able to single hand.  Will be taking crew from time to time.  Boat will be for world cruising/live aboard.  It professional but grew up with a boaty diesel mechanic father.  Have rebuilt gasoline and diesel engines and winter chores included re varnishing our 15' wood runabout.     Don't mind a project but would like to  find a boat that has been taken care of and appreciated by their owner.

I just thought it could be informative, given the money.  Which you would buy?  If you are paying cash is the 54 worth the extra to you or would you pocket the difference and get the 53.

I was honestly all in on the 54 for but recently thought, well how many guests are you actually going to have?   Do you really like it 200g  more than the 53 which seems to be the going difference?  Just wondered what others thoughts were.  

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:57:00 PM CDT, james Hosford via groups.io <jay.hosford@...> wrote:


Thanks Bill,
I will take you up on that.

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:50:57 PM CDT, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Both the SM & the 54 are good Amels. There are differences, advantages, and disadvantages.

You may not be aware, but I offer 1 hour free consulting to non-owners of Amel yachts.

Maybe you should check this out.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:38 PM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:
James,
The majority of us have probably only owned one Amel. A lucky few will have upgraded to a newer model. There is much expertise in this group about each model, but I don’t think there is a font of knowledge about comparisons of pros and cons between each model.
I think you need to do some more personal research and then ask some specific questions about the ones you are interested in.

Good fortune with your research. Whatever the result, you will like most of us, be very happy with the AMEL you choose.

Ian

Ocean Hobo, Santorin 96




Re: sm 53 vs 54

james Hosford
 

Thanks Bill,
I will take you up on that.

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:50:57 PM CDT, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:


Both the SM & the 54 are good Amels. There are differences, advantages, and disadvantages.

You may not be aware, but I offer 1 hour free consulting to non-owners of Amel yachts.

Maybe you should check this out.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:38 PM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:
James,
The majority of us have probably only owned one Amel. A lucky few will have upgraded to a newer model. There is much expertise in this group about each model, but I don’t think there is a font of knowledge about comparisons of pros and cons between each model.
I think you need to do some more personal research and then ask some specific questions about the ones you are interested in.

Good fortune with your research. Whatever the result, you will like most of us, be very happy with the AMEL you choose.

Ian

Ocean Hobo, Santorin 96




Re: sm 53 vs 54

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

Things like, how many people in the family or sailing solo, where do you plan to sail, do you want turn-key or fixer-upper, etc.? People can then offer more tailored answers. What some people see as a pro or con may be completely different to you. For example, the main reason I would not want a 54 is it is powered by Volvo. But, if you differ in your opinion of Volvo engines, then me stating this is to you is futile. Hopefully you see my point. This is really like asking people which anchor they prefer.

 

Also, most of what you are asking can be answered by using the search feature of this group. There are several posts detailing the differences between Amels.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 7:21 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io; main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

 

Not quite sure what details would help.   Just want to know from the group that knows the most about Amels, pros cons of the 53 vs the 54 for someone who is shopping.  Is the 54 obviously better and worth the extra money?  Little things like the switch to Bowmar furlers, that now have developed a reputation of not being as good as the Amel made ones on the 53....etc

 

Basically for a person that doesn't know as much , or have as much experience with Amels as you do, which would you prefer and why?

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:12:52 PM CDT, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:

 

 

James,

 

I think you need to provide more detail if you want helpful answers.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

How man 53 owners would trade up for a 54 if money were no object.  Why or why not?

 

Very interested in a 54 but maybe a better choice to keep the extra 200g and get a 53?

 

Thanks for your help


Re: sm 53 vs 54

 

Both the SM & the 54 are good Amels. There are differences, advantages, and disadvantages.

You may not be aware, but I offer 1 hour free consulting to non-owners of Amel yachts.

Maybe you should check this out.

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:38 PM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:
James,
The majority of us have probably only owned one Amel. A lucky few will have upgraded to a newer model. There is much expertise in this group about each model, but I don’t think there is a font of knowledge about comparisons of pros and cons between each model.
I think you need to do some more personal research and then ask some specific questions about the ones you are interested in.

Good fortune with your research. Whatever the result, you will like most of us, be very happy with the AMEL you choose.

Ian

Ocean Hobo, Santorin 96




Re: sm 53 vs 54

Mark McGovern
 

Bill Kinney and Karen Smith from Harmonie are SM owners who sailed a 54 up from Florida to the Chesapeake Bay with the owner earlier this year.  Blog post here:  https://fetchinketch.net/2020/05/17/compare-and-contrast-the-amel-54-vs-the-super-maramu/

Joel Potter owned both and has shared his thoughts on the subject on this forum several times.  Here is one I found:  https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/message/44201


--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: sm 53 vs 54

Ian Park
 

James,
The majority of us have probably only owned one Amel. A lucky few will have upgraded to a newer model. There is much expertise in this group about each model, but I don’t think there is a font of knowledge about comparisons of pros and cons between each model.
I think you need to do some more personal research and then ask some specific questions about the ones you are interested in.

Good fortune with your research. Whatever the result, you will like most of us, be very happy with the AMEL you choose.

Ian

Ocean Hobo, Santorin 96


Re: sm 53 vs 54

james Hosford
 

Not quite sure what details would help.   Just want to know from the group that knows the most about Amels, pros cons of the 53 vs the 54 for someone who is shopping.  Is the 54 obviously better and worth the extra money?  Little things like the switch to Bowmar furlers, that now have developed a reputation of not being as good as the Amel made ones on the 53....etc

Basically for a person that doesn't know as much , or have as much experience with Amels as you do, which would you prefer and why?

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:12:52 PM CDT, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:


On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:21:22 PM CDT, james Hosford via groups.io <jay.hosford@...> wrote:



Not quite sure what details would help.   Just want to know from the group that knows the most about Amels, pros cons of the 53 vs the 54 for someone who is shopping.  Is the 54 obviously better and worth the extra money?  Little things like the switch to Bowmar furlers, that now have developed a reputation of not being as good as the Amel made ones on the 53....etc

Basically for a person that doesn't know as much , or have as much experience with Amels as you do, which would you prefer and why?
On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:12:52 PM CDT, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:


James,

 

I think you need to provide more detail if you want helpful answers.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

How man 53 owners would trade up for a 54 if money were no object.  Why or why not?

 

Very interested in a 54 but maybe a better choice to keep the extra 200g and get a 53?

 

Thanks for your help


Re: sm 53 vs 54

james Hosford
 


Not quite sure what details would help.   Just want to know from the group that knows the most about Amels, pros cons of the 53 vs the 54 for someone who is shopping.  Is the 54 obviously better and worth the extra money?  Little things like the switch to Bowmar furlers, that now have developed a reputation of not being as good as the Amel made ones on the 53....etc

Basically for a person that doesn't know as much , or have as much experience with Amels as you do, which would you prefer and why?

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:12:52 PM CDT, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:


James,

 

I think you need to provide more detail if you want helpful answers.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

How man 53 owners would trade up for a 54 if money were no object.  Why or why not?

 

Very interested in a 54 but maybe a better choice to keep the extra 200g and get a 53?

 

Thanks for your help


Re: sm 53 vs 54

Mark Erdos
 

James,

 

I think you need to provide more detail if you want helpful answers.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 6:31 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

How man 53 owners would trade up for a 54 if money were no object.  Why or why not?

 

Very interested in a 54 but maybe a better choice to keep the extra 200g and get a 53?

 

Thanks for your help


sm 53 vs 54

james Hosford
 

How man 53 owners would trade up for a 54 if money were no object.  Why or why not?

Very interested in a 54 but maybe a better choice to keep the extra 200g and get a 53?

Thanks for your help


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Jamie Wendell
 

Correction: 4405-143A


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Jamie Wendell
 

Well, to add more pain to this refrigerator pump problem, I just received my latest Flojet 4404-143 pump. It is a 12 volt pump.

I recall others confirming that the voltage output from the Frigoboat system pump interface was 12 volts. It is actually 24 volts - I measured it directly.

The 12 volt pump does not work, so I am back to the ice routine. I will have to order a 24 volt pump. Anyone need a 12 volt version?

Frustrated beyond all comprehension............
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: problems installing a new Yanmar engine #replacement

Mark McGovern
 

Are you talking about the thread shown in the picture below?



I am not 100% sure because the print is really small, but it looks like it is 55mm x 3.5 Thread Pitch from this diagram:



To be 100% sure have a mechanic measure it for you.  You can also email Maude at Amel.  She should be able to get you an answer. 

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: problems installing a new Yanmar engine #replacement

Ira and Roman Morozov
 

Does anybody know the thread size in the center of the top gearbox input shaft of the C drive on a super maramu 2000?
The thread has damage and needs to be tapped again so we can press the coupling back on to the 35mm shaft.


Re: Dessalator Duo watermakers - energy saving tip: don't use 230v if you can avoid it

Jamie Wendell
 

I replace my membranes when I see the TDS tests showing higher than "normal" levels or the water tastes a bit salty. I have found it important to actually test with a meter vs. relying on the built-in sensor. That sensor always seems to show a green light after a few minutes running and I am not sure how it is calibrated.
I have never seen the numbers exceed approved standards (I believe 500), but I like to err on the side of caution if I see TDS numbers rising say above 300. Hence, I replace about every 2 to 3 years, particularly if I do not use the watermaker routinely (winter storage for example).
In 5+ years of being an Amel owner, this will be my second replacement.
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: Dessalator Duo watermakers - energy saving tip: don't use 230v if you can avoid it

Scott SV Tengah
 

Denis -

I am a little confused. Desslator said that both motors turn at the same speed on the pump due to pulley differences, so I'm not sure how the 230v motor flows more water than the 24v? Maybe I'm not understanding the system?

In any event, even if the membrane life is somehow 2x, by using the AC over the DC motor, you're using an additional 500 watts, which is roughly 20 amps. Over 4000 hours of using the 230v pump vs. the 24v pump, you're using 80,000 extra amp hours of energy. If you're running genset to run the 230v AC motor, that's 4,000 extra hours of genset usage and all the fuel and maintenance that entails.

If you have lithium and a big inverter then you won't need to run the genset during usage, but could rather charge the batteries later.  Even with my two chargers feeding 200Amps, that's an extra 400 hours of generator usage and all the fuel and maintenance that entails. This ignores the environmental cost of all that genset usage, which is not zero.

I can't see the AC pump being anything more than a backup, assuming your electrical system can handle 600w, which it should even on lead acid.


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Dessalator Duo watermakers - energy saving tip: don't use 230v if you can avoid it

Scott SV Tengah
 

Jamie - how long do your membranes last? I presume you're replacing once TDS goes above a certain limit?

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com