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Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Ruslan,

 

Yeah – I have been looking at that; there is also one which does 7 gallons per minute.

 

Thanks

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT A54 #128

June 29, 2020 16:18:21

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ruslan Osmonov via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 15:57
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

 

Hi, for fuel transfer I recently discovered siphon hoses with shaker primer. Very easy to transfer from jerry can, fast and the most important, you don’t have to lift and pour and wait for it. Not much to break either 🙂 

So far it’s been great. 

 

This is an example of what I’m talking about. 

 

 

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:14 PM Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:

I installed a bi-directional Marco pump in the starboard locker (along with fuel supply connections) so that I could transfer fuel into and out of 20-liter yellow jerry cans. I also have a bladder tank I mount on the aft deck for long passages. I can transfer into and out of it as well.
If anyone is interested I could take a photo or try to draw a diagram. It works very well, and is far, far better than lifting the jugs and pouring them into the tank spout.

By the way, the brushless March pump I am considering "cannibalizing" for the refrigerator pump is attached in a pdf file. We would want only the motor and not the pump, since the pump is centrifugal, and would likely be a problem in the refrigerator service as the boat bounces around, although we could certainly try it.

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44

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Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Ruslan Osmonov
 

Hi, for fuel transfer I recently discovered siphon hoses with shaker primer. Very easy to transfer from jerry can, fast and the most important, you don’t have to lift and pour and wait for it. Not much to break either 🙂 
So far it’s been great. 

This is an example of what I’m talking about. 


On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:14 PM Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:
I installed a bi-directional Marco pump in the starboard locker (along with fuel supply connections) so that I could transfer fuel into and out of 20-liter yellow jerry cans. I also have a bladder tank I mount on the aft deck for long passages. I can transfer into and out of it as well.
If anyone is interested I could take a photo or try to draw a diagram. It works very well, and is far, far better than lifting the jugs and pouring them into the tank spout.

By the way, the brushless March pump I am considering "cannibalizing" for the refrigerator pump is attached in a pdf file. We would want only the motor and not the pump, since the pump is centrifugal, and would likely be a problem in the refrigerator service as the boat bounces around, although we could certainly try it.

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44

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Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Teun BAAS
 

Hi Jamie,

 

Thanks for reply.

 

Have you ever been in a situation you needed more than 700 to 800 liter? We have 900 liter capacity on board but you don’t want to run very low and keep 150/200 liter in the tank and so, I assume, maybe 5 cans on the railing?

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT A54 #128

June 29, 2020 15:40:25

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jamie Wendell via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 15:14
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

 

I installed a bi-directional Marco pump in the starboard locker (along with fuel supply connections) so that I could transfer fuel into and out of 20-liter yellow jerry cans. I also have a bladder tank I mount on the aft deck for long passages. I can transfer into and out of it as well.
If anyone is interested I could take a photo or try to draw a diagram. It works very well, and is far, far better than lifting the jugs and pouring them into the tank spout.

By the way, the brushless March pump I am considering "cannibalizing" for the refrigerator pump is attached in a pdf file. We would want only the motor and not the pump, since the pump is centrifugal, and would likely be a problem in the refrigerator service as the boat bounces around, although we could certainly try it.

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Jamie Wendell
 

I installed a bi-directional Marco pump in the starboard locker (along with fuel supply connections) so that I could transfer fuel into and out of 20-liter yellow jerry cans. I also have a bladder tank I mount on the aft deck for long passages. I can transfer into and out of it as well.
If anyone is interested I could take a photo or try to draw a diagram. It works very well, and is far, far better than lifting the jugs and pouring them into the tank spout.

By the way, the brushless March pump I am considering "cannibalizing" for the refrigerator pump is attached in a pdf file. We would want only the motor and not the pump, since the pump is centrifugal, and would likely be a problem in the refrigerator service as the boat bounces around, although we could certainly try it.

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Teun BAAS
 

Jamie,

 

Transferring diesel below: from shore and/or other boat to your fuel tank?

 

Best Regards Teun

AMELIT A54 #128

June 29, 2020 15:01:12

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jamie Wendell via groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 14:56
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

 

I can echo Scott's comment about the noise generated by the Marco pumps. I use one for transferring diesel fuel in the boat and while it is very good, it is very loud, likely because of the gear-driven pump setup.
I did not know the March pump with a brushless motor was 4mm. Mating that to the 8mm Flojet diaphragm might be a challenge, but I am sure there are adapters out there. Since that motor is already functional without adapters and programming, etc. I think it would be worth a shot if I can locate one for sale. So far, I have not seen any for sale, except maybe through the manufacturer.

There are actually several March pumps that use a brushless DC motor (12 and 24V). Given its higher capacity (and presumably more powerful motor), I was looking at:

BC-2CP-MD 24V DC Brushless Mag Drive Pump

I am currently without any refrigeration while I wait for my new Flojets - all my others have died and I am tired of trips into the engine room with a hammer. I will report as I start trying to get the VESC motor to work.
Stay tuned?
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Jamie Wendell
 

I can echo Scott's comment about the noise generated by the Marco pumps. I use one for transferring diesel fuel in the boat and while it is very good, it is very loud, likely because of the gear-driven pump setup.
I did not know the March pump with a brushless motor was 4mm. Mating that to the 8mm Flojet diaphragm might be a challenge, but I am sure there are adapters out there. Since that motor is already functional without adapters and programming, etc. I think it would be worth a shot if I can locate one for sale. So far, I have not seen any for sale, except maybe through the manufacturer.

There are actually several March pumps that use a brushless DC motor (12 and 24V). Given its higher capacity (and presumably more powerful motor), I was looking at:

BC-2CP-MD 24V DC Brushless Mag Drive Pump

I am currently without any refrigeration while I wait for my new Flojets - all my others have died and I am tired of trips into the engine room with a hammer. I will report as I start trying to get the VESC motor to work.
Stay tuned?
Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Scott SV Tengah
 

Unfortunately Marco has been tried. I have purchased one and so did Thomas on Garulfo (A54). I believe it lasted him less than 3 months and was noisy as hell. He spoke to their engineers and they agreed it's not an effective solution.

Oliver responded to me via email and apparently the brushless motor he used prior eliminated the brush wear problem but then the cheap bearing failed! He is working on a plug and play solution using a more robust pump.

I am also in contact with March Pumps to see if we can find a brushless motor from them that will somehow fit in the Flojet pump head. The huge advantage with the Flojet is that it's quiet and replacement diaphragms are cheap, if/when they fail. 

Jamie - please try to figure out the adapter though. If we can get a 4mm round shaft to work with the Flojet 8mm pump head D-shaped shaft input, we can use a proven March Pump.
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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Installation of Electric oven with induction cooktop

Joerg Esdorn
 

The Force 10 unit was available last summer - I saw it in Valencia.   I’m also converting to LiFePO4, but going all Mastervolt like Paul has on Fortuna II.  No changes to the chargers and inverters are needed on my boat but to install an electric stove, I would need a second 2.5 KW inverter which I’m deferring for now.  Good luck with your conversion and cruising this season.  Kincsem will likely remain layed up this year in Vigo.  Cheers. Joerg 


Re: File /CockpitEnclosure.pdf uploaded #file-notice

Gerhard Mueller
 

Hi Ralf
Before repainting I have seen at the after cabin deck and salon deck some areas where the glass fiber could be seen. It was successfully repaired with a 2-component primer.
The sailmaker fabricating the enclosure has had no further instructions, details or demensioned drawings. I have made only some photos.
He has worked step by step: installing one piece, taking some measures, installing next piece and so on. Often there was a week between the steps and so it takes more than 2 months for the complete work.
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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: File /CockpitEnclosure.pdf uploaded #file-notice

Ralf Schroeder
 

Hi,
my problem is not the false teak deck. On the other deckparts as on the after cabin and the salon deck has my gel coat some hair cracks.
I think, this is from the sun over the years.

@Gerhard: It is possible, that you send us the details/mass from enclosure?

Best
Ralf
SV Baghira, Sharki 42


Re: File /CockpitEnclosure.pdf uploaded #file-notice

Gerhard Mueller
 

Hi Mark
Indeed after 38 years the deck likes to have a repaint.
I have had done it 2 years ago in Monastir, Tunisia for a low price but obviously good quality. The deck is still quite new after the 2 years.
However I have not repainted the black lines of the false teak deck but only in the cockpit. The Beugler tool is useful for this task.


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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: File /CockpitEnclosure.pdf uploaded #file-notice

marklesparkle59
 

Hi Marco, I agree with everything Gerhard says about the Sharki, single handing, aft cabin bulkhead and being strong despite 37 years of use. The gel coat on the deck of Sea Hobo, Sharki 96 will need attention in the next few years.
Mark Porter
Sea Hobo, Sharki 96
Cargreen, UK.



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Re: File /CockpitEnclosure.pdf uploaded #file-notice

Gerhard Mueller
 

Marco
Sorry I don't know a professional surveyor in Greece for Amel boats.
One importand pro of the Sharki: It is below 12 meters in length (11.95 m) and so you only pay the lower boat tax in Greece.
And yes, the Sharki is intended for single handing. Although my Sharki is 38 years old it is still in a very good condition, even with the still original engine.
I guess all Sharki might have a problem with the construction of the mizzen footing. A crack in the polyester construction may allow to enter water into the gap between the polyester of the cockpit and the wood of the front wall of the after cabin and so the wood get damaged. Easy to check when inspecting the wood of the front wall of the after cabin. The former owner of my Sharki has had repaired this already. However other issues are not known.
Let me know if you have any special questions.
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Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: File /CockpitEnclosure.pdf uploaded #file-notice

Marco Baldan
 

Dear Gerhard,


Nice cockpit enclosure and excellent details for Sharki owners! I am contemplating purchasing a Sharki but I could not find much information around apart from the fact that she's a nice, sturdy, seaworthy sailboat. Could I bother you asking for your point of view on the boat: pros and cons, what to look at when surveying one? Easy to conduct single-handed? Do you know any professional surveyor that could survey a Sharki in Greece?

Thanks for any information you could provide me.
Marco Baldan (africanmarco@...)


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Re: Installation of Electric oven with induction cooktop

Barry Connor
 

Hi Joerg,

Hope your sailing this season is going well. Thank you for the link.
I have asked the company Penguin in the UK if they have any information when Eno/Force 10 with have this electric oven with an induction top as it would be a perfect fit.
I have now found another oven with an induction cooktop that is a good fit. The manufacturer is in Northern Italy, the model in the Horizon 3 from Marine Cookers.
Another option just being presented is the upcoming Miele unit. Really appreciate all the help and advise from the forum.
As you know, I have been discussing and researching this Lithium battery changeover since our time in MDR.
My Lithium battery set up will be the same as Oliver has done. Victron now have a dual input 110/230v charger/converter and a control for our engine fitted  180amp charger. Planning on staying here in Martinique to do this changeover with Oliver’s guidance and help. 

Very Best 

Barry and Penny 
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 


On Jun 28, 2020, at 10:34, Joerg Esdorn via groups.io <jhe1313@...> wrote:

Hi Barry, here is what I am looking at. http://www.force10.com/electric_gimballed_3burner.html.  I met an A55 owner last year in Valencia who was in the process of installing this.  It fits on the A55. Not sure it fits on your boat.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain


Re: Installation of Electric oven with induction cooktop

Joerg Esdorn
 

Hi Barry, here is what I am looking at. http://www.force10.com/electric_gimballed_3burner.html.  I met an A55 owner last year in Valencia who was in the process of installing this.  It fits on the A55. Not sure it fits on your boat.  Cheers. Joerg 

Joerg Esdorn
A55 Kincsem
Vigo, Spain


Re: Lubrication of the Mechanism That Drives The Main Sail Furling Unit

 

All,

Kent is exactly correct on the Gear oil by Shell, Omala S4 WE320 synthetic gear oil. You can probably find it in Europe, but not in the US. There are several equivalents of the synthetic 320 gear oil in the US. One is made by Super Lube and is "Synthetic Gear Oil, ISO 320." You can buy 1 quart of it on Amazon for $22 at https://www.amazon.com/Super-Lube-54300-Synthetic-Bottle/dp/B002KKXHH6/ref=sr_1_16?dchild=1&keywords=Polyglycol+Synthetic+ISO+VG+320&qid=1593354246&sr=8-16

Bill
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
View My Training Calendar


On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 9:00 AM karkauai via groups.io <karkauai=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bill.
I just serviced my manual furler for the main. It is filled with a very heavy gear oil.  I found only one place (in England) that sold it by the liter, otherwise it is sold in very large quantities and is very expensive. It was shipped to me in the USA in about a week at a reasonable price. A liter is enough to service it 2-3 times.
 It is Shell Oil Omala S4 WE320

After reinstalling it there was a small amount of oil on the deck the next day or two. It stopped leaking after a few days and hasn't been leaking for two weeks including furling and unfurling several times.
What specifically did you want to know?
Kent & Iris
SM243
Kristy


On Jun 18, 2020 9:00 AM, Bill Shaproski <bill.shaproski@...> wrote:
I did find a group of messages from 2012 that address my question.  But I would like to find someone who has done this recently to ask some specific questions.  
Regards,
Bill Shaproski


Re: Lubrication of the Mechanism That Drives The Main Sail Furling Unit

karkauai
 

Hi Bill.
I just serviced my manual furler for the main. It is filled with a very heavy gear oil.  I found only one place (in England) that sold it by the liter, otherwise it is sold in very large quantities and is very expensive. It was shipped to me in the USA in about a week at a reasonable price. A liter is enough to service it 2-3 times.
 It is Shell Oil Omala S4 WE320
https://www.lubefinder.com/shell-omala-s4-we-320.html

After reinstalling it there was a small amount of oil on the deck the next day or two. It stopped leaking after a few days and hasn't been leaking for two weeks including furling and unfurling several times.
What specifically did you want to know?
Kent & Iris
SM243
Kristy


On Jun 18, 2020 9:00 AM, Bill Shaproski <bill.shaproski@...> wrote:
I did find a group of messages from 2012 that address my question.  But I would like to find someone who has done this recently to ask some specific questions.  
Regards,
Bill Shaproski


Re: Slide Hammer Anybody think the 5lb slide hammer is overkill for working on Kristy?

karkauai
 

Hi Brent, thanks for the input.  That is a lot of tool.  You tackle a lot bigger jobs than I'm likely to do! 
Years ago I launched my lake boat without the plug, and had to jump overboard with a sock to jam in the hole. 80 y/o in-laws were aboard.  Water was about 45dF. I'll never do that again!
We'll be up in Maine for 10-12 weeks, if borders open up let me know and we'll rent a car and drive up for a few days.

Stay safe, have fun, sail fast!
Kent and Iris
SM243
Kristy







On Jun 26, 2020 9:48 PM, Brent Cameron <brentcameron61@...> wrote:
Hi Kent, unfortunately, I have quite a bit of very recent experience with them.  I used to “rent” them from the local auto shops (you pay a full price deposit, use the tool and then return it for a full refund so the rental is gratis).  I’ve used them to pull wheel bearings, CV Joints and wheelhubs out from the very solidly rusted vehicles up here in the Canadian winters (they use a fair bit of salt which makes it somewhat challenging).  Last week, I tried to rent one to pull the gimbal bearing off my Mercruiser Alpha One inboard/outboard sterndrive on our motorboat that my daughter accidentally sunk last summer while Jen and I were away in Europe.  (Don’t forget to put the plug in the boat BEFORE you run it down the railway!)  Anyway,  due to the Covid stuff, they’ve all stopped renting tools so I ended up buying one at the local Princess Auto (our version of Harbour Frieght).  I’ve seen that their version, is the same as what I got.  It's on sale this week for the equivalent of about $60 USD.   

I whaled away at that damn gimbal bearing (it’s about a 4” by 1” bearing inside a long tunnel of a race and was VERY severely corroded in there without much luck.  The one I have has a 5 lb slide (the more the merrier) and I let it soak in PB Blaster for about a week and even fashioned using a 4 ton hydraulic jack to try to lever the thing out using the attachments of the slide hammer and a cross bar I built using metal and a 4x4 post…. All I ended up doing was snapping four 3/8” u-bolts like they were made of butter.  I finally gave up and called in the pro.. who showed up with the exact same slide hammer as I had, he put it on and gave it two huge whacks and it came right out!  To be fair to me, I didn’t try it for the 3-4 days before he showed up and it was sitting in PB blaster but he did whale away at it harder than I could (he used very thick gloves which helps cushion the blow).  He said that he’s never had a gimbal bearing stick that he hasn’t been able to get out with that tool.   Here’s the link to what I got. https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/10-way-slide-hammer-puller-kit/A-p8309262e but I am very sure I saw the same thing on the Harbour Freight website too (PA and HF seem to use the same companies even though they aren’t related).  Normally, I find their cheap Chinese tools don’t stand up well but I was very impressed with how strong this was - especially considering I had a 4 ton jack pulling on those little arms and it didn’t even leave a scratch on them.  My pro has been using the same set for 5 years and says he’s never had an issue with it either.  

There aren’t any instruction manuals with it but those three arms go on that black three armed attachment that gets threaded on (after the round disk) to the end of the slide hammer rod.  The round disk, winds down, levering the arms apart so that it can grab the inside race of the bearing… when you have got ALL of the play out of it, you just whale away at it as hard as you possibly can and the shock breaks the bond and out she comes…. DO wear very thick gloves as that thing makes your bones ring!  

The good thing is that after a set of plugs, a new distributor cap and the new gimbal bearing, the boat is working perfectly now… love to get you and Iris out for that Canal trip to see our fascinating locks if the damn border ever opens up again!  Enjoy Maine!  I’ve flown over that whole area up there and it’s on my bucket list.  

Brent Cameron, Future Amel owner & Amel Owner's Registry Moderator

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Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada