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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Mark Erdos
 

We have a piece of foam we use to plug the chain hawse hole. We just sort of stuff it in. I tend to forget about it when anchoring again and we find it later somewhere on the deck. It is not pretty but it works. I like Joel’s idea of Great Stuff. We have some aboard and will give it a try.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alexandre AC problem-- old post did not go through

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Dan,

 

There has been some talk of AC capacitors on this forum that control the fan speed. It may be that you have a bad high speed fan capacitor. Fairly easy to check and cheap to replace.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising – Guadeloupe

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 1:34 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alexandre AC problem-- old post did not go through

 

 

Hi all,  catching up on recent posts.  I did not see if there was resolution to this one.

 

Our rear AC unit had also started to trip the breaker.  Some times it was on the 220v breaker, it also tripped on the dock at least once.  The timing of the fault did not coincide with the compressor start delay.

 

What we did find is that it only tripped when the fan speed is on "High".  It does not trip on "Low" or medium.  We finished the season using a lower speed setting for the fan and I put it on the list for more troubleshooting when I return in the fall.  

 

But would be curious to kniw what the resolution is for this issue. 

 

Thanks and regards, Dan Carlson 

 

 

Eric,

 

I too had the timer set to zero by a Climma tech, and I too had the same breaker open.

 

I set it to 20 seconds. I assume that Alex could either have the timer set to zero, or possibly that timer is not working and is staying closed.

 

Best,

 

CW Bill Rouse

Admiral, Texas Navy

Commander Emeritus

Amel School www.amelschool.com

720 Winnie St

Galveston Island, TX 77550

+1(832) 380-4970

 

 

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina

Bill,

I had the same problem. The countdown timer in my aft cabin was set to 0 second.

The compressor was shorted and I had to have it changed.

Both the boats main breaker and dockside breaker tripped at the same time.

Fair winds,

Eric

sm 376
----- Original Message -----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [ amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:00 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com"

> Alex,
>
> I think I understand that as soon as you turn on the A/C, the
> main 30amp
> Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trips (on the side of the
> 220V breaker
> panel). Your shore power also has a GFI breaker.
>
> If this is true, that particular symptom probably has nothing to
> do with
> the the compressor, or any part on the Climma Compact 9 unit for
> the aft
> cabin.
>
> *Here is why:*
>
> - When you turn ON any of your AC units, the only powered
> device inside
> the Compact 9 is the countdown timer. It will be the only
> thing powered
> until the countdown expires which is probably 10-20 seconds.
> - When you turn ON any of your AC units the pump relay box
> and the pump
> should be immediately powered.
>
> *Therefore:*
> If the 30 amp Ground Fault Breaker trips during the timer
> countdown, your
> symptom is most likely caused by a ground fault, and the most
> likely place
> for a ground fault is at the Calpeda BCM20E pump, or less likely
> the pump
> relay box.
>
> *This is what I would investigate:*
>
> 1. Is the mechanical seal leaking and running inside the
> motor? (most
> likely)
> 2. Is the capacitor good? If you don't know replace it.
> 3. Did the pump motor get wet?
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Best,
>
> CW Bill Rouse
> Admiral, Texas Navy
> Commander Emeritus
> Amel School www.amelschool.com
> 720 Winnie St
> Galveston Island, TX 77550
> +1(832) 380-4970
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar
> uster@... [amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Good morning John, Mark, Eric and Francisco and thank you for your
> > replies,
> >
> > Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead compressor…
> >
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to “discharge them”
> prior to
> > testing?
> >
> > Eric, I did not really understand the: “if the AC switch is
> off at the
> > thermostat does it still trip the breaker?”
> >
> > Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
> >
> > ------------------------------ --------------
> > On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <
> > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220
> > Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alexandre.
> > if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still
> > trip the breaker?
> > The breaker on the AC panel side is a quick blow
> > circuit breaker, If there is a short it will
> > trip before the diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> > thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
> > Check the continuity of the compressor to ground. If
> > there is a short to ground the compressor is dead.
> > Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> > sm 376
> >
> > ----- Original
> > Message -----
> > From: "Alexandre
> > Uster von
> > Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
> >
> > > Good afternoon,
> > >
> > > Today, I hear the
> > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one
> > > behind the panel).
> > > I
> > found out the fuse of the marina also trip.
> > >
> > > After running tests,
> > the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > (which I have been using non stop for 9
> > days).
> > >
> > > Running
> > the salon does not trip anything.
> > >
> > > What could be the cause?
> > > How to diagnostic and solve the issue?
> > >
> > > Did I use too much
> > the air conditioning?
> > > How come the
> > Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> > > How come I trip the marina fuse?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > Alexandre
> > > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> > > Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy,
> > FWI
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

 

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] alexandre AC problem-- old post did not go through

Dan Carlson
 

Hi all,  catching up on recent posts.  I did not see if there was resolution to this one.

Our rear AC unit had also started to trip the breaker.  Some times it was on the 220v breaker, it also tripped on the dock at least once.  The timing of the fault did not coincide with the compressor start delay.

What we did find is that it only tripped when the fan speed is on "High".  It does not trip on "Low" or medium.  We finished the season using a lower speed setting for the fan and I put it on the list for more troubleshooting when I return in the fall.  

But would be curious to kniw what the resolution is for this issue. 

Thanks and regards, Dan Carlson 
Sm#387, sv BeBe 



On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:57 PM, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
wrote:
 

Eric,

I too had the timer set to zero by a Climma tech, and I too had the same breaker open.

I set it to 20 seconds. I assume that Alex could either have the timer set to zero, or possibly that timer is not working and is staying closed.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550





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Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
Bill,
I had the same problem. The countdown timer in my aft cabin was set to 0 second.
The compressor was shorted and I had to have it changed.
Both the boats main breaker and dockside breaker tripped at the same time.
Fair winds,
Eric
sm 376
----- Original Message -----
From: "'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [ amelyachtowners]"
Date: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:00 am
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com"

> Alex,
>
> I think I understand that as soon as you turn on the A/C, the
> main 30amp
> Ground Fault Interrupt (GFI) breaker trips (on the side of the
> 220V breaker
> panel). Your shore power also has a GFI breaker.
>
> If this is true, that particular symptom probably has nothing to
> do with
> the the compressor, or any part on the Climma Compact 9 unit for
> the aft
> cabin.
>
> *Here is why:*
>
> - When you turn ON any of your AC units, the only powered
> device inside
> the Compact 9 is the countdown timer. It will be the only
> thing powered
> until the countdown expires which is probably 10-20 seconds.
> - When you turn ON any of your AC units the pump relay box
> and the pump
> should be immediately powered.
>
> *Therefore:*
> If the 30 amp Ground Fault Breaker trips during the timer
> countdown, your
> symptom is most likely caused by a ground fault, and the most
> likely place
> for a ground fault is at the Calpeda BCM20E pump, or less likely
> the pump
> relay box.
>
> *This is what I would investigate:*
>
> 1. Is the mechanical seal leaking and running inside the
> motor? (most
> likely)
> 2. Is the capacitor good? If you don't know replace it.
> 3. Did the pump motor get wet?
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Best,
>
> CW Bill Rouse
> Admiral, Texas Navy
> Commander Emeritus
> Amel School www.amelschool.com
> 720 Winnie St
> Galveston Island, TX 77550
> +1(832) 380-4970
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:55 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar
> uster@... [amelyachtowners]
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Good morning John, Mark, Eric and Francisco and thank you for your
> > replies,
> >
> > Based on what you wrote, I suspect a short and a dead compressor…
> >
> > Going to test the Capacitors, but how to “discharge them”
> prior to
> > testing?
> >
> > Eric, I did not really understand the: “if the AC switch is
> off at the
> > thermostat does it still trip the breaker?”
> >
> > Thanks in advance, sincerely, Alexandre
> >
> > ------------------------------ --------------
> > On Mon, 6/26/17, kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <
> > amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com> wrote:
> >
> > Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> Tripping 220
> > Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:24 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alexandre.
> > if the AC switch is off at the thermostat does it still
> > trip the breaker?
> > The breaker on the AC panel side is a quick blow
> > circuit breaker, If there is a short it will
> > trip before the diruptor. If the AC is on at the
> > thermostat and the circuit still trips the breaker,
> > Check the continuity of the compressor to ground. If
> > there is a short to ground the compressor is dead.
> > Fair Winds,
> > Eric
> > sm 376
> >
> > ----- Original
> > Message -----
> > From: "Alexandre
> > Uster von
> > Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]"
> > Date: Monday, June 26, 2017 5:19 pm
> > Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Aft Cabin Air
> > Conditioning Tripping 220 Volt Panel Fuse & marina
> > To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com
> >
> > > Good afternoon,
> > >
> > > Today, I hear the
> > fuse of the 220 Volt Panel tripping (the one
> > > behind the panel).
> > > I
> > found out the fuse of the marina also trip.
> > >
> > > After running tests,
> > the cause is the Aft Cabin Air Conditioning
> > > (which I have been using non stop for 9
> > days).
> > >
> > > Running
> > the salon does not trip anything.
> > >
> > > What could be the cause?
> > > How to diagnostic and solve the issue?
> > >
> > > Did I use too much
> > the air conditioning?
> > > How come the
> > Diruptor did not trip, but the 220 Volt Panel did?
> > > How come I trip the marina fuse?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > Alexandre
> > > SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
> > > Port de Gustavia, Saint Barthélémy,
> > FWI
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

Stephen Davis
 

Hi Paul,

You are not the only one, and you have diagnosed it correctly. We have started closing the chain locker valve if we are sailing hard on a starboard tack, but intend to install a one way valve soon. 

Regards,

Steve Davis
Aloha SM72
Aruba

On Jul 4, 2017, at 11:13, osterberg.paul.l@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?


Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

amelforme
 

Yep, this can happen if you have a lot of water on deck. The SM 53 came from Amel with a  rubber flapper assembly that would line up with the chain and keep a good percentage of the water from coming into the chain locker. Many have perished and are gone. I like to use GREAT STUFF that one can get from any big box home improvement store in the USA. Do a web search. For our friends further afield, it is an expanding foam in an aerosol can that is used to fill cracks and voids in home construction and repair projects that has different names in foreign markets.. Spray the foam liberally around the anchor chain hawse hole. Let it dry and it stops 99% of the water from coming in. Just using the anchor/moving the chain causes it to crumble into dust and disperse which could aggravate some more eco minded folks.

 

One way valves are sometimes problematic and more so when hair and soap scum can be expected.

 

Have fun with your Amel, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

954 462 5869 office

954 812 2485 cell

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 12:13 PM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salt water intrusion on forward head

 

 

When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?



Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay


Re: Salt water intrusion on forward head

eljaroellinghoff@...
 

I'm sure it of of bow thruster, the PIN is inserted above to lock?
If that doesn't help the seals must be replaced.

best Elja SM 222 Balu


Re: Door Alignment

Dean Gillies
 

Thanks to one and all for the feedback. It's very much appreciated.

Im balance it seems like only a cosmetic issue which may be able to be rectified with some hinge-fiddling.

Of course I realised after leaving the boat that I should have checked that the frames were actually square (rectangular).

Thanks again,
Dean


Salt water intrusion on forward head

Paul Osterberg
 

When sailing in rough weather with the wind in from starboard, the water that find its way in through the chain locker and then going down to the bilge. Some of that goes back into the forward head shower drain. Is it something like a one way valve missing? The hose going from the shower are connected directly with the anchor locker drain by a y connection only. We are thinking of installing a one way valve. are we alone experience this?


Paul on SY Kerpa SM #250. still on the hard in Chesapeake bay


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Door Alignment

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Dean;

Ours are all square and aligned.

Respectfully;


Mohammad & Aty
Amel 54 #099
B&B Kokomo

On Jul 4, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Peter Forbes ppsforbes@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Mine all look square and aligned. But the top cover lid to the plate stowage (large door on starboard side) always squeaks when we are sailing along - annoying at night if I am snoozing on aft settee so we put a piece of cloth in it.


Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 4 Jul 2017, at 09:31, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello 54 Owners,
The portside locker double-doors in the saloon of an Amel 54 I'm looking at seem to have an alignment problem. The forwardmost door is lower at the handle side than the aftmost door by about 5mm. The pushbutton handles look a little out of alignment, and the doors do not sit square in the frame.

Furthermore, the starboard locker doors have exactly the same misalignment.

I'm interested to know, do others have this feature in their 54's?

I tried to attach a picture but this Yahoo platform continually conspires to defeat me! 

Many thanks
Dean
Amel 54 "Still Looking" #TBD



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Door Alignment

Peter Forbes
 

Mine all look square and aligned. But the top cover lid to the plate stowage (large door on starboard side) always squeaks when we are sailing along - annoying at night if I am snoozing on aft settee so we put a piece of cloth in it.

Peter
Peter Forbes
0044 7836 209730
Carango  Sailing Ketch
Amel 54 #035
In a Hurricane cradle in Grenada

On 4 Jul 2017, at 09:31, trifin@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

Hello 54 Owners,
The portside locker double-doors in the saloon of an Amel 54 I'm looking at seem to have an alignment problem. The forwardmost door is lower at the handle side than the aftmost door by about 5mm. The pushbutton handles look a little out of alignment, and the doors do not sit square in the frame.

Furthermore, the starboard locker doors have exactly the same misalignment.

I'm interested to know, do others have this feature in their 54's?

I tried to attach a picture but this Yahoo platform continually conspires to defeat me! 

Many thanks
Dean
Amel 54 "Still Looking" #TBD



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Door Alignment

amelforme
 

I think Wolfgang  is absolutely correct. I was selling a Amel 54 that had the exact same condition with misaligned doors in the saloon cabinets. I had an idea what the problem was, so I asked the owner to give me something I knew was inside the misaligned cabinets. Sure enough, when the owner opened the cabinet, he grabbed onto the top of the door to help support himself as he reached inside. The hinges are strong enough to bend slightly without breaking or becoming ‘wobbly’ and they can, in fact, move around a little on their mounts.  Having seen so many Amel boats in all phases of construction over more than 30 years, I can promise confidently that if there were other structural matters with deformation causing the cabinet doors to misalign, there would be easily observed catastrophic failure on the structural elements that support the cabinet door hinges. Inside the cabinets, the bolt that secures the hinge has a nut which bears down on a flat washer. Easy to loosen the nut and realign the door, then take the boat out and go sailing in some good breeze and check the alignment again.

 

All The Best, Joel

Joel F. Potter/Cruising Yacht Specialist LLC

THE EXPERIENCED AMEL GUY

 

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 4:56 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: AW: [Amel Yacht Owners] Door Alignment

 

 

I think I have 1-2  mm

 

May be some one opened the door and hang up a little at the door when the boat moves in the waves ? Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54

 

-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------

Datum: 04.07.17 10:31 (GMT+01:00)

Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Door Alignment

 

 

Hello 54 Owners,
The portside locker double-doors in the saloon of an Amel 54 I'm looking at seem to have an alignment problem. The forwardmost door is lower at the handle side than the aftmost door by about 5mm. The pushbutton handles look a little out of alignment, and the doors do not sit square in the frame.

Furthermore, the starboard locker doors have exactly the same misalignment.

I'm interested to know, do others have this feature in their 54's?

I tried to attach a picture but this Yahoo platform continually conspires to defeat me!

Many thanks
Dean
Amel 54 "Still Looking" #TBD


Re: Door Alignment

Alan Leslie
 

We don't have issues with any of the cupboard doors or cabin doors on our Super Maramu....what could be happening ??

Cheers
Alan
Elyse SM437 


Re: Door Alignment Amel 54

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi Dean,
It looks the same on ours.
We did notice it but didn't consider it a cause for concern.

Good luck with your search,
Soraya

--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Door Alignment

webercardio <webercardio@...>
 

I think I have 1-2  mm

May be some one opened the door and hang up a little at the door when the boat moves in the waves ? Wolfgang Weber SY Elise Amel 54

-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "trifin@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...>
Datum: 04.07.17 10:31 (GMT+01:00)
An: amelyachtowners@...
Betreff: [Amel Yacht Owners] Door Alignment

 

Hello 54 Owners,
The portside locker double-doors in the saloon of an Amel 54 I'm looking at seem to have an alignment problem. The forwardmost door is lower at the handle side than the aftmost door by about 5mm. The pushbutton handles look a little out of alignment, and the doors do not sit square in the frame.

Furthermore, the starboard locker doors have exactly the same misalignment.

I'm interested to know, do others have this feature in their 54's?

I tried to attach a picture but this Yahoo platform continually conspires to defeat me!

Many thanks
Dean
Amel 54 "Still Looking" #TBD


Re: Door Alignment

Dean Gillies
 

I managed to post the photograph.


Door Alignment

Dean Gillies
 

Hello 54 Owners,
The portside locker double-doors in the saloon of an Amel 54 I'm looking at seem to have an alignment problem. The forwardmost door is lower at the handle side than the aftmost door by about 5mm. The pushbutton handles look a little out of alignment, and the doors do not sit square in the frame.

Furthermore, the starboard locker doors have exactly the same misalignment.

I'm interested to know, do others have this feature in their 54's?

I tried to attach a picture but this Yahoo platform continually conspires to defeat me!

Many thanks
Dean
Amel 54 "Still Looking" #TBD


SM Antal Jib sheet car parts

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi all:


One of my Antal jib sheet cars had failure of the plastic runners that line the cars and provide the bearing surface upon which the car slides on the "T"  track.  This left me with metal on metal for that interface and that is untenable.  I emailed Antal and they referred me to euromarinetrading.com  here in the USA.  


These folks were very helpful and they supplied me with two sets of Part Number  G30.40A PVC inserts 160 mm long,   for $18.25 per set  plus shipping.  These are the original OEM sliders. 


This repair will require removal of the car from the track to install them but I believe the car removal can be accomplished by removing the bolt at the end of the track and also removing the car traveler pulley mechanism at the aft end of the track.  I need to remove this to replace the Amel logo aluminum pulleys at the base of that apparatus anyway.  I think this will provide clearance without having to grind some of the "T" section but that is yet to be determined.  


Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona

Amel SM 2000 #335

Puerto Rico

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Roller Furling Questions

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

When I re-rigged Liahona I replaced the aluminum blind rivets that Amel had installed originally with 1/4 th inch diameter aluminum "pop" (aka blind rivets).   I had followed the discussion on the forum about having the rivets being sacrificial so that they would shear in overload rather than fracture the pulley/gear or tear out the bottom of the foil.  I still think that idea has merit even though it makes re-rigging more difficult (i.e. drilling out the blind rivets.  

The forum indicated that the rivets be 3/4 in long so I bought the minimal number of 1/4 inch diameter 3/4 inch long aluminum rivets from RivetsOnline.com  (100 for $18.00).  The rivet tool for that size rivet was $70 from the same source.  I found that the 3/4 inch (25.4mm) length rivets were too long to set properly in my foil/furling pulley/gear application so I removed the rivet from the pull-stem, trimmed them to 19.5 mm long, re-placed the rivet on the pull stem and pulled them with my new tool.  This resulted in a nicely flush head in the recess in the furling pulley/gear.   I applied Dow 737 RTV to the foil as I seated it in the pulley gear and also sealed all the rivets with the same as well as making sure I sealed the tracks within the foil where they seated in the pulley/gear.  The idea is to make this join impervious to salt water and salt accretions.  The Down 737 RTV is the best to use on aluminum as it does not have acetic acid (corrosive to aluminum) in it like most common RTVs and is approved for use on aluminum aircraft structures.  

All the best, 

Gary S. Silver  A & P (FAA certified airframe and powerplant mechanic)
s/v Liahona
Amel SM 2000 #335
Puerto Del Rey  Puerto Rico

Anybody needs some of these rivets, I can supply some for the cost of postage. 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Exhaust water temperature sensor 7MDKAL

amelliahona <no_reply@...>
 

Hi Fernando & Bill:

This is a curious situation. 

As for the number of wires at each terminal ring (i.e. 2 blacks and two whites, versus 1 of each, I wouldn't be too concerned as this is usually just a wiring harness difference as manufacturers often daisy chain grounds or other wires together rather than carrying them to a terminal strip or other common point.  Probably not the best practice as a failure somewhere in the daisy chain causes a failure for any other sensors or grounds elsewhere attached upstream.)

The fact that the generator runs properly with no ground provided to the white wires, and stops when a ground is provided to the white wires,  indicates to me that this is a normally open switch that closes at the fault generating temperature (80 degrees C per Bills experience) as the switch closes and grounds thru the black wires.

I would recommend that you remove all the wires to the new sensor/switch and then measure resistance  (i.e. continuity) across the two switch studs.  It should be infinite or open when at ambient temperature.  If there is continuity across that switch in the cold state then the switch is faulty of you have the wrong part number switch/sensor, (i.e a normally closed switch). 

Good to know that you can, at least, run your genset with this switch out of circuit.  Let us know what the switch continuity is when out of circuit.  Also measure continuity from the black (ground) wire terminal to the engine ground strap (the braided cable on the ports/outboard side of the genset).  You should have zero ohms of resistance (or close to zero ohms) on that wire.  Not exactly sure what you will see measuring continuity on the white wires as they go to the AVR etc.

S5 (High Exhaust Temp) appears to be daisy chained with S2 (High Engine Coolant Temp) so I can imagine that the white wires are for those two switches/sensors and the black wires are to daisy chain the grounds for the two switches/sensors. 

I hope this turns out to be as simple as the wrong part number switch.

All the best, 

Gary S. Silver
s/v Liahona 
Amel SM 2000   #335
Puerto Rico
cell  801-543-5801





Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Exhaust water temperature sensor 7MDKAL

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Fernando,

Your Onan is acting as though the temperature switch should normally be open.

Gary Silver looked at the schematics and said that the switch should normally be open. I am fairly sure that Gary looked at schematics for a MDKAL, which you said that you have. Remember I said that BeBe #387 is a MDKAV. Maybe there is a difference in the shutdown system between these two models, so at this point, you should disregard my experience with the MDKAV because of apples to oranges..

Assuming that the temperature switch is normally open:
With the generator cold and wires disconnected from the sensor, check continuity. If there is no continuity, the switch is open. Now, use a heat gun or hair dryer to heat the sensor to around 100c. Does the switch close? If you have an IR heat thermometer, check the temperature that the switch changes from open to closed. Since the normal operating temperature under load for the elbow is about 50c, the switch is probably rated around 80-100c.

Send a check to Amel School for $0.02 because this is my 2 cents worth.

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
720 Winnie Street
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970







On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:41 AM, svperegrinus@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello Bill, Gary and Craig,


The new sensor got installed.  If it remains disconnected, the generator works great.

If its terminals are connected, the engine does not start.

If the engine is started (cold) and the terminals are connected, the generator dies.

If the old sensor is re-installed, and the broken terminal is touched to its broken wing, the generator dies.

There might be something strange going on.  Bill's setup and photo shows only one white and one black wire going to the sensor's terminals.  My setup has two whites joined to one terminal and two blacks joined to the other terminal.

Thank you Bill, Gary and Craig for your comments, and perhaps you have other insights!  Otherwise I may have to call the Onan guys, who want to charge €125/hr for the privilege.  Yes, higher than Onan Fort Lauderdale.

Cheers,


SM2K N. 350 (2002)
Marmaris



---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Fernando,

I found the photo that I took at the time that Exhaust Elbow Switch was by-passed. I was wrong, the wires were actually wire-tied together. See the attached. Note that there are only two wires going to the switch, one black and one white. I thought you said that there were two wires joined at each connector on each side of your switch.

Either the characteristics of this switch changes with model numbers, or possibly something else is going on. 

Did your Onan shut down with one terminal broken?

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
720 Winnie Street
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 5:28 PM, sangaris@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi Fernando and Ana,
Since another post established that the Exhaust Temperature Switch (it's actually not a sensor) is normally open, your 2nd question is interesting. Your old switch probably did not fail, that is, it likely would still close with high temperature, but the picture of the old switch's broken terminal does look like you'd have to replace it to get a new terminal, rather than attempting a fix (unless you can drill the old post out). 
Given that, you can simply trust the new switch will close when it gets too hot, and shut down the unit. That is a highly likely outcome that I should think you can be comfortable with. In industrial settings, where all safeties had to be tested in service conditions, we used to cut off the cooling water flow and see if the engine shut down (very exciting but not my pocketbook). If you really, really want to test it you'd have to figure ou t how to heat it past its set point and see if it closed - maybe in your oven, rather than cutting off the cooling water.
By all means, do put a jumper between the new terminals when you install the switch and it should activate the shut down relay (which won't test the switch function but will simulate it closing).
 Have fun.
Cheers,
Craig and Katherine, SN#68 Sangaris; Abacos, Bahamas 


---In amelyachtowners@yahoogroups. com, wrote :

Hello,


Our sensor, marked F230 402-370 0013, was found failed (one of the wire terminals broken off) during an Onan inspection in Italy, and the part would have taken weeks for express delivery from Onan Netherlands.


Here in Marmaris, the part is available at the Onan shop for a "modest" $125. But I have two questions:


1.  If I install it myself, is there a need for a thermal paste or some other exotic procedure other than just screwing the new sensor where the old one was?


2.  How do you "test" such a sensor?  Obviously its absence has not been detected by the genset, which runs like a champ, so after installing the shiny new part, how do I even know if the new part is doing anything other than sitting pretty?


I think a functioning sensor is important as otherwise an overheating situation will not be detected and the motor will burn out and possibly cause a fire.


Thoughts?  Comments?  Thanks in advance!


Peregrinus

SM2K N. 350 (2002)

Marmaris, Tk