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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

eric freedman
 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries

Sv Garulfo
 


Absolutely, much appreciated as always!

Thanks a lot

Thomas


On Tue, 23 May 2017 at 16:04, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

The main engine has two alternators...one for the starter battery at 12VDC and one for house batteries at 24VDC. The generator has one alternator at 12VDC for the starter battery and also will power 230VAC battery chargers that charge the house batteries at 24VDC. 

Does this answer your question?


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   


On May 23, 2017 9:09 AM, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I was reading a Sept 2015 discussion between Bill Rouse and Colin Streeter to learn about the topic of having a 24/12DC converter (not cheap!) or a 12V/230AC charger in case the starter battery requires charging without either engines running.

So the alternators are the sole charging devices for the starter battery. But they are used to charge the house battery bank too, right? How is that achieved then, given the difference in voltage? 

Thanks in advance for shedding some light

Thomas
--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France

--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Good morning Bill,

Interesting.

I just check the Main and Mizzen, and as for my Genoa they also furl in anti-clockwise - just like the graphic shows:
http://nikimat.com/amel_caraibes/joysticks_3.jpg

Every time I have a doubt I refer to the owner manual.
http://nikimat.com/amel_super_maramu_2000_manual.pdf

Picture 20 on Page 37 confirm the same direction of the graphic.
Strange enough Picture 25 on Page 41 almost made me think the opposite (let me know what you think)
Therefore picture 46 on page 56 shows clearly you furl both the Genoa and Balloner counter-clockwise.

Seem strange that Amel would do a graphic not accurate…

May be they decided to change furling from anti-clockwise to clockwise… (and then not bother changing the graphic?).

Not that is really important, but I wonder if Olivier or Joel have some knowledge on that.

Alexandre




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On Tue, 5/23/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker
To: "amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 9:50 AM


 









Alex,
In your case the furler switch and
the graphic is the same as #387, but the rotation of the
furler is different. When #387 furler switch (Main or Genoa)
is pushed forward, the rotation is clockwise.
Most of the furlers I have seen
rotate clockwise to furl.
I wonder if Amel changed this in
later model SMs, or your previous owner changed
yours?
Best,


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas
Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel
School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island,
TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Massimo Vecchietti
 

Mine Lee Sail  Genoa have on starboard.
Max
SM 86 Patchouli II 

Il 23 Mag 2017 5:12 PM, "johnabo2003" <no_reply@...> ha scritto:
 

Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the suncover is on the genoa.

Thanks
John Abercombie
SM391


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Ian Park
 

Could be the previous owner cleaned and replaced the switch in the wrong orientation. Just loose and rotate 180.

Ian

Ocean Hobo SN96


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

In your case the furler switch and the graphic is the same as #387, but the rotation of the furler is different. When #387 furler switch (Main or Genoa) is pushed forward, the rotation is clockwise.

Most of the furlers I have seen rotate clockwise to furl.

I wonder if Amel changed this in later model SMs, or your previous owner changed yours?

Best,


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970



Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello Bill,

To unfurl, I pull the switch toward stern.
To furl I just the switch toward the bow.
Which seems logical to me and this is also what the drawing show.

Alexandre



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On Tue, 5/23/17, 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@svbebe.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 9:38 AM


 









Alex,
Do
you push the furler switch forward to fuel as the graphic on
the control indicates?


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander
Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island,
TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   
On May 23, 2017 9:34 AM,
"Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Hello John,



Mine is on the Starboard side.



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA



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On Tue, 5/23/17, johnabo2003 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.
com

Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 9:12 AM





 



















Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that

has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the
original

sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other
Amel

Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side
the

suncover is on the genoa.







Thanks



John Abercombie



SM391






































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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries

Nick Carter, Associate Broker; Jack Lingo Realtor, 302.228.NICK (6425) <nickcarter@...>
 

I am trying to determine the PHRF handicap for a 1986 Amel Mango 52' in the mid-Atlantic region for summer racing season.
Could anyone help out. 
​Thank you,

Nick Carter
Handicapper for LYC Beer Can Fleet

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:15 AM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Thomas,
   I think that is possible because, on my SM37,  the main engine has two alternators,  one is 24v(for house batteries) and the other is 12v(for starter batteries).   On the generator there is also a 12v alternator for the same starter batteries.

I also have a 24v on the shaft but I think that is outside the topic.

The previous owners staged jumper cables to connect the 24v house bank to the 12v starter bank in emergency to start one of the motors.  They claim this is safe for short time to start motor....

Olivier might know more

Regards John

John Clark
SM 37 Vent de Soleil
Charlotte Amalie, St. THOMAS

On May 23, 2017 10:09 AM, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I was reading a Sept 2015 discussion between Bill Rouse and Colin Streeter to learn about the topic of having a 24/12DC converter (not cheap!) or a 12V/230AC charger in case the starter battery requires charging without either engines running.

So the alternators are the sole charging devices for the starter battery. But they are used to charge the house battery bank too, right? How is that achieved then, given the difference in voltage? 

Thanks in advance for shedding some light

Thomas
--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Same as John,
On the SM2K, the Volvo engine has 2 Alternators.
a 12 Volt to charge the starting battery (which will start the engine and generator)
and a 24 volt that will charge the battery bank.
The generator has a 12 volt alternator (to charge the starting battery).

Personally I carry an additional 12 volt automotive battery charger to charge a spare (not connected) starting battery (in case of lightning).
Prior every trip, I recharge the spare battery.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA



--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 5/23/17, John Clark john.biohead@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 9:15 AM


 









Hi Thomas,   I think
that is possible because, on my SM37,  the main engine has
two alternators,  one is 24v(for house batteries) and the
other is 12v(for starter batteries).   On the generator
there is also a 12v alternator for the same starter
batteries.
I also have
a 24v on the shaft but I think that is outside the
topic.
The previous
owners staged jumper cables to connect the 24v house bank to
the 12v starter bank in emergency to start one of the
motors.  They claim this is safe for short time to start
motor....
Olivier
might know more
Regards John
John ClarkSM 37 Vent de
SoleilCharlotte Amalie, St. THOMAS

On May 23, 2017 10:09 AM,
"SV Garulfo svgarulfo@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Hi all,
I
was reading a Sept 2015 discussion between Bill Rouse and
Colin Streeter to learn about the topic of having a 24/12DC
converter (not cheap!) or a 12V/230AC charger in case the
starter battery requires charging without either engines
running.
So the
alternators are the sole charging devices for the starter
battery. But they are used to charge the house battery bank
too, right? How is that achieved then, given the difference
in voltage? 
Thanks
in advance for shedding some light
Thomas--

GARULFOAmel 54 #122
Cap
d'Agde, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

Do you push the furler switch forward to fuel as the graphic on the control indicates?


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 23, 2017 9:34 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello John,

Mine is on the Starboard side.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA

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On Tue, 5/23/17, johnabo2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 9:12 AM


 









Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that
has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original
sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel
Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the
suncover is on the genoa.



Thanks

John Abercombie

SM391




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The main engine has two alternators...one for the starter battery at 12VDC and one for house batteries at 24VDC. The generator has one alternator at 12VDC for the starter battery and also will power 230VAC battery chargers that charge the house batteries at 24VDC. 

Does this answer your question?


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 23, 2017 9:09 AM, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I was reading a Sept 2015 discussion between Bill Rouse and Colin Streeter to learn about the topic of having a 24/12DC converter (not cheap!) or a 12V/230AC charger in case the starter battery requires charging without either engines running.

So the alternators are the sole charging devices for the starter battery. But they are used to charge the house battery bank too, right? How is that achieved then, given the difference in voltage? 

Thanks in advance for shedding some light

Thomas
--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello John,

Mine is on the Starboard side.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA




--------------------------------------------

On Tue, 5/23/17, johnabo2003 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 9:12 AM


 









Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that
has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original
sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel
Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the
suncover is on the genoa.



Thanks

John Abercombie

SM391


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Also, any furler that furls the sail clockwise would need port side UV protection. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 23, 2017 09:29, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Yes, port side is original. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 23, 2017 09:12, "johnabo2003" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the suncover is on the genoa.

Thanks
John Abercombie
SM391


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries

Sv Garulfo
 


Ok thanks it makes sense! I suppose the same setup exists on A54?

I realise my auto signature didn't work, apologies. 

Thomas 
Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France




On Tue, 23 May 2017 at 15:16, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Thomas,
   I think that is possible because, on my SM37,  the main engine has two alternators,  one is 24v(for house batteries) and the other is 12v(for starter batteries).   On the generator there is also a 12v alternator for the same starter batteries.

I also have a 24v on the shaft but I think that is outside the topic.

The previous owners staged jumper cables to connect the 24v house bank to the 12v starter bank in emergency to start one of the motors.  They claim this is safe for short time to start motor....

Olivier might know more

Regards John

John Clark
SM 37 Vent de Soleil
Charlotte Amalie, St. THOMAS



On May 23, 2017 10:09 AM, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I was reading a Sept 2015 discussion between Bill Rouse and Colin Streeter to learn about the topic of having a 24/12DC converter (not cheap!) or a 12V/230AC charger in case the starter battery requires charging without either engines running.

So the alternators are the sole charging devices for the starter battery. But they are used to charge the house battery bank too, right? How is that achieved then, given the difference in voltage? 

Thanks in advance for shedding some light

Thomas
--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Yes, port side is original. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 23, 2017 09:12, "johnabo2003" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the suncover is on the genoa.

Thanks
John Abercombie
SM391


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Mark Erdos
 

The genoa sun cover on Cream Puff is on the starboard side. This is concurrent with the furling arrows on the control panel regarding which way to wrap the sail. The sail furls when the foil is rotated anti-clockwise.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Puerto Rico

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of johnabo2003
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:12 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

 

 

Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the suncover is on the genoa.

Thanks
John Abercombie
SM391


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries

John Clark
 

Hi Thomas,
   I think that is possible because, on my SM37,  the main engine has two alternators,  one is 24v(for house batteries) and the other is 12v(for starter batteries).   On the generator there is also a 12v alternator for the same starter batteries.

I also have a 24v on the shaft but I think that is outside the topic.

The previous owners staged jumper cables to connect the 24v house bank to the 12v starter bank in emergency to start one of the motors.  They claim this is safe for short time to start motor....

Olivier might know more

Regards John

John Clark
SM 37 Vent de Soleil
Charlotte Amalie, St. THOMAS

On May 23, 2017 10:09 AM, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I was reading a Sept 2015 discussion between Bill Rouse and Colin Streeter to learn about the topic of having a 24/12DC converter (not cheap!) or a 12V/230AC charger in case the starter battery requires charging without either engines running.

So the alternators are the sole charging devices for the starter battery. But they are used to charge the house battery bank too, right? How is that achieved then, given the difference in voltage? 

Thanks in advance for shedding some light

Thomas
--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France



Dispute with sailmaker

johnabo2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the suncover is on the genoa.

Thanks
John Abercombie
SM391


Alternators and house batteries

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

I was reading a Sept 2015 discussion between Bill Rouse and Colin Streeter to learn about the topic of having a 24/12DC converter (not cheap!) or a 12V/230AC charger in case the starter battery requires charging without either engines running.

So the alternators are the sole charging devices for the starter battery. But they are used to charge the house battery bank too, right? How is that achieved then, given the difference in voltage? 

Thanks in advance for shedding some light

Thomas
--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


PHRF

Nick Carter, Associate Broker; Jack Lingo Realtor, 302.228.NICK (6425) <nickcarter@...>
 

What is an appropriate PHRF rating for a 1986 Amel Mango 52'....??  Thank you.