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Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

 

Jamie,

I wish I was on your 54 with you because I have a burning question about all of this. and I have a recommendation for you.

My burning question:
If you see the schematic in my previous post in this thread, you will notice the schematic from a Frigoboat manual. The source of the voltage output from the E51385 blue box to the water pump originates in this schematic with each of the Danfoss Compressor Controllers at the F terminal. In fact, the two wires for each fridge unit come directly from the Danfoss to the E51385. The Frigoboat manual clearly states, regardless of the voltage of the fridge the output on the two F terminals is 12 volts. BTW, the Danfoss operates on 12 or 24 volts, but always outputs 12 volts to Terminal F. Have you checked the output voltage on each of the Danfoss on terminal F and the terminal next to it? I do not see any other way that the E51385 blue box can output 24 volts and if there is 24 volts on the Danfoss fan terminals, I suspect something is wrong with the Danfoss.

My recommendation:
Why don't you do this eliminating the E51385 and eliminate the limitation on amps on the Danfoss terminal F, and run a 24-volt pump??:
Relays to control water pump.jpg
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 2:02 PM Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:
OK, my "final" update on the Flojet pump and Frigoboat E51385  interface. I cannot explain it, but the interface is definitely out-putting 24 volts to the pump at all times.
Maybe my interface is malfunctioning, so I installed a solid-state relay and a DC converter to step the voltage down to 12 volts. I used a 24-volt relay in place of the E
51385 pump connection and then feed the converter and pump via the live 24-volt terminal box in the engine room. The relay simply engages the pump when the compressors call for it.

A bit more complicated than I would like but the pump runs perfectly now and obviously I no longer get the pump overload signals at the interface. The higher capacity pump may draw more power, but it really cools down the 3 refrigerator units fast.

My next task is to get the brushless motor working to replace the Flojet motor. I will drive it directly via the 24-volt terminal block and eliminate the DC converter.

Until then I am "over and out" regarding this perplexing issue with the E
51385. I really appreciate all the suggestions and assistance, but will report once I have the brushless motor controller operational. That will be the gold standard.

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Jamie Wendell
 

OK, my "final" update on the Flojet pump and Frigoboat E51385  interface. I cannot explain it, but the interface is definitely out-putting 24 volts to the pump at all times.
Maybe my interface is malfunctioning, so I installed a solid-state relay and a DC converter to step the voltage down to 12 volts. I used a 24-volt relay in place of the E
51385 pump connection and then feed the converter and pump via the live 24-volt terminal box in the engine room. The relay simply engages the pump when the compressors call for it.

A bit more complicated than I would like but the pump runs perfectly now and obviously I no longer get the pump overload signals at the interface. The higher capacity pump may draw more power, but it really cools down the 3 refrigerator units fast.

My next task is to get the brushless motor working to replace the Flojet motor. I will drive it directly via the 24-volt terminal block and eliminate the DC converter.

Until then I am "over and out" regarding this perplexing issue with the E
51385. I really appreciate all the suggestions and assistance, but will report once I have the brushless motor controller operational. That will be the gold standard.

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Bamar EJF Furler

amel46met
 

Hello Group
Tom Deasy APHRODITE Maramu 1983 #125
I am having a problem with my electric furler, four years old and several thousand miles.It will unroll about 2 feet and stop it will not roll back up. Is it possible for me to disassemble to see the problem could it be the brushes or possibly corrosion with the paws or the electrical brake system any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Tom Deasy


Re: crappy job ahead of me....... santorin waste pipe

david bruce
 

Hi Eric, 

 Sounds like you have a perfectly good system that just needs repair, so I’m not advocating this for you but just thought I would take this opportunity to share my experiences with a composting toilet. I do think Craig is right, in that our Santorin had no stock holding tanks. There is a small tank for the aft head located in the life raft locker and no tank forward in the forward head.  

 After converting a typically troublesome and odorous holding tank system on my Newport 41 a few years ago to a composting toilet and finding it works remarkably well and is infinitely preferable to a standard tank, I lugged an Airhead composting toilet to Greece last summer to install on Liesse.  I didn’t get around to it so it’s sitting in the lazarette at the moment waiting to be installed in the forward head but if not for a lack of headroom it could actually be used back there!   I have found the composting toilet to be odor free, easy to clean and maintain, and my only criticism is that when heeling it is difficult to keep urine from running around the little dam into the solids container.  It’s amazingly comforting to know the you will ALWAYS have a functional head!  We’re heading to Turkey when it’s possible and not sure how they will view the composting toilet in their blue card scheme...  Good luck w the repair.  

Dave Bruce
Liesse SN006


On Jul 3, 2020, at 4:12 AM, Eric Meury <ericmeury@...> wrote:

well i have some crappy news...turns out my holding tank pipe is leaking. It is not the hose clamps. What are my options here...this is a santorin. Removal of the wall is pretty straight fwd i believe.


Re: sm 53 vs 54

james Hosford
 

Absolutely. And that was just the point of the question wanted to hear the opinions of owners and why they have those opinions.   Thank you so much,  this whole group is such a great value to those of us considering our purchase options and even greater value to current owners


On Jul 3, 2020, at 11:49 AM, Mohammad Shirloo <mshirloo@...> wrote:



We had the read the same issues raised about Volvo in the 54, prior to our purchase. Upon further research and discussions with people who know the actual number of 54s that have had issues with their Volvo, it was our conclusion that statistically, the percentage of serious issues, were low. Also, we figured that in the worst case scenario, we could repower with a new engine and the advantages and extra comforts of the 54 were worth the potential risk.

 

In our 5 years of cruising, we have not had any issues, other than normal maintenance and the Volvo has been very reliable. When we started to search for a cruising boat and in the 4 year process that ended up in the selection of the 54, we would not have imagined selecting a boat that we would be as impressed with as we are today. She continues to show her talents more and more as we have more time on board.

 

As everyone has reiterated, most of these decisions are personal and very much dependent on importance of the differences in the designs.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2020 8:31 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

Thanks for your reply



On Jul 3, 2020, at 12:20 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi all. After 10 years and 50,000 + off shore miles in Ocean Pearl SM 299 I thought strongly and seriously about stepping up to a 54. However I was put off by following the posts on this site It seemed I would be buying trouble. While I had positive experience of 20 years  with volvo the 110hp  volvo in the 54 seemed a serious problem. The bamar furlers another issue Likewise the multitude of electrical and electronic issues. Also  although I could possibly have avoided them, the number of 54 that had electronic and electrical upgrades concerned me. Complexity is an archilies heel in a yacht that cruises the more far flung regions. Rightly or wrongly I felt that many of these 54s were being converted into marina hopping med or Caribbean vessels

 Lastly, after considering all this I returned to my belief that in the SM, which was the culmination of a life dedicated to designing the perfect yacht for a couple to sail around the world,  Henry had indeed done just that. So I remain the proud and happy owner of SM 299.

Danny

Ocean Pearl

Mangonui

New Zealand

On 03 July 2020 at 10:11 Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:

Sorry James,
                     I pushed the wrong button. Personally, the last engine in the world I would want is a Volvo, followed by, what is a centre line aft bunk doing in a serious blue water cruising boat? The 54 is height critical when you are seated, if you are the wrong height it can be very uncomfortable. The SM was actively designed and sailed by The Captain , the 54 was designed in an office. Both boats are fantastic, the SM is the finished article of a lifetime's passion and personal experience.
Any really good design has a flow, where form follows function, which ever one is more comfortable for you has to be the right answer.
The  various electrics and the mechanical parts may fail you, but anything built by Amel will not.
Good luck with your search.
Trevor Lusty 
Ireland


Re: sm 53 vs 54

Mohammad Shirloo
 

We had the read the same issues raised about Volvo in the 54, prior to our purchase. Upon further research and discussions with people who know the actual number of 54s that have had issues with their Volvo, it was our conclusion that statistically, the percentage of serious issues, were low. Also, we figured that in the worst case scenario, we could repower with a new engine and the advantages and extra comforts of the 54 were worth the potential risk.

 

In our 5 years of cruising, we have not had any issues, other than normal maintenance and the Volvo has been very reliable. When we started to search for a cruising boat and in the 4 year process that ended up in the selection of the 54, we would not have imagined selecting a boat that we would be as impressed with as we are today. She continues to show her talents more and more as we have more time on board.

 

As everyone has reiterated, most of these decisions are personal and very much dependent on importance of the differences in the designs.

 

Happy Sailing;

 

 

Mohammad and Aty

B&B Kokomo

AMEL 54 #099

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2020 8:31 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

Thanks for your reply



On Jul 3, 2020, at 12:20 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi all. After 10 years and 50,000 + off shore miles in Ocean Pearl SM 299 I thought strongly and seriously about stepping up to a 54. However I was put off by following the posts on this site It seemed I would be buying trouble. While I had positive experience of 20 years  with volvo the 110hp  volvo in the 54 seemed a serious problem. The bamar furlers another issue Likewise the multitude of electrical and electronic issues. Also  although I could possibly have avoided them, the number of 54 that had electronic and electrical upgrades concerned me. Complexity is an archilies heel in a yacht that cruises the more far flung regions. Rightly or wrongly I felt that many of these 54s were being converted into marina hopping med or Caribbean vessels

 Lastly, after considering all this I returned to my belief that in the SM, which was the culmination of a life dedicated to designing the perfect yacht for a couple to sail around the world,  Henry had indeed done just that. So I remain the proud and happy owner of SM 299.

Danny

Ocean Pearl

Mangonui

New Zealand

On 03 July 2020 at 10:11 Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:

Sorry James,
                     I pushed the wrong button. Personally, the last engine in the world I would want is a Volvo, followed by, what is a centre line aft bunk doing in a serious blue water cruising boat? The 54 is height critical when you are seated, if you are the wrong height it can be very uncomfortable. The SM was actively designed and sailed by The Captain , the 54 was designed in an office. Both boats are fantastic, the SM is the finished article of a lifetime's passion and personal experience.
Any really good design has a flow, where form follows function, which ever one is more comfortable for you has to be the right answer.
The  various electrics and the mechanical parts may fail you, but anything built by Amel will not.
Good luck with your search.
Trevor Lusty 
Ireland


Re: crappy job ahead of me....... santorin waste pipe

Craig Briggs
 
Edited

Hi Eric,
I don't believe Amel put holding tanks in SN's so, like ours, yours was likely done by a prior owner. (Just the forward was done when we got our boat - I later did a 2nd tank in the aft head.) From your question it sounds like your tank is behind the outboard panel with the openings for the storage shelf. If so, removal of the wall would depend on how whoever installed the tank did it in the first place.

On mine, it requires removal of the sink wood crossmembers for the towel rack, the medicine cabinet, plus some perimeter trim, then reaching inside the cubby openingings to remove a few screws. Not too difficult. The tank simply sits on one of the original shelves and the plumbing is readily accessible once the panel is off.  I redid mine with PVC which I'd highly recommend for a multi-decade no-odor fix. 

That being said, I recall several posts of other SN owners installing tanks in various other positions, like under the towel bars.  What's the configuration on your SN?

Craig
PS I forgot to mention the original panel was fiberglassed to the shelves, so that has to be cut open the first time the panel is removed. Upon replacing, use wood blocks and screws to fasten it. A FINE Multi-tool or equivalent will cut the fiberglass tabbing nicely.


Re: sm 53 vs 54

james Hosford
 

Thanks for your reply


On Jul 3, 2020, at 12:20 AM, Danny and Yvonne SIMMS <simms@...> wrote:



Hi all. After 10 years and 50,000 + off shore miles in Ocean Pearl SM 299 I thought strongly and seriously about stepping up to a 54. However I was put off by following the posts on this site It seemed I would be buying trouble. While I had positive experience of 20 years  with volvo the 110hp  volvo in the 54 seemed a serious problem. The bamar furlers another issue Likewise the multitude of electrical and electronic issues. Also  although I could possibly have avoided them, the number of 54 that had electronic and electrical upgrades concerned me. Complexity is an archilies heel in a yacht that cruises the more far flung regions. Rightly or wrongly I felt that many of these 54s were being converted into marina hopping med or Caribbean vessels

 Lastly, after considering all this I returned to my belief that in the SM, which was the culmination of a life dedicated to designing the perfect yacht for a couple to sail around the world,  Henry had indeed done just that. So I remain the proud and happy owner of SM 299.

Danny

Ocean Pearl

Mangonui

New Zealand

On 03 July 2020 at 10:11 Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:

Sorry James,
                     I pushed the wrong button. Personally, the last engine in the world I would want is a Volvo, followed by, what is a centre line aft bunk doing in a serious blue water cruising boat? The 54 is height critical when you are seated, if you are the wrong height it can be very uncomfortable. The SM was actively designed and sailed by The Captain , the 54 was designed in an office. Both boats are fantastic, the SM is the finished article of a lifetime's passion and personal experience.
Any really good design has a flow, where form follows function, which ever one is more comfortable for you has to be the right answer.
The  various electrics and the mechanical parts may fail you, but anything built by Amel will not.
Good luck with your search.
Trevor Lusty 
Ireland


Re: Skarki Headspace / Celing Height

marklesparkle59
 

Hi Ros,  
I am about 1735mm tall, I have spare height in the heads and aft cabin and I touch the ceiling in the forecabin, I do have 5mm of insulation stuck to the ceilings which most Sharki''s don't have. I might be able to measure next week.
Mark Porter
Sea Hobo 
Sharki 96
Cargreen UK



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ros Corcoran <roscorcoran@...>
Date: 03/07/2020 12:54 (GMT+00:00)
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Skarki Headspace / Celing Height

Hi Guys,

I am late to the party but I have the same questions as MATTHIAS, thank you very much for the already very useful measurements.

I am wondering the headroom in the head and also in the aft cabin and forward cabin?

I find it hard to measure those heights from the PDF.

Thank you


Re: Skarki Headspace / Celing Height

Gerhard Mueller
 

The headroom in the head is 180 centimeter and in the aft cabin is 160 centimeter and forward cabin is 184 centimeter.
All measured at highest places.
--
Gerhard Mueller
Amel Sharki #60
Currently Kalamata, Greece


Re: crappy job ahead of me....... santorin waste pipe

Mike Ondra
 

Hi Eric,

We have been wrestling with holding tank issues for years, latest these past few months. There are numerous posts (maybe 300) on these issues on the bulletin board going back over the past 15 years. Some of which may be relevant to you. Take the time to understand the holding tank configuration you have and evolve you plan of attack after reading the relevant postings. This is a repair you would prefer to make once and be permanent. Your hull number would be useful to others who may offer advice.

I would suggest removing the deck plate and taking a look inside your tank to understand its internal condition before doing anything. I did this at night and hung a light inside so I could see well and took some pictures.

Mike Ondra

ALETES SM#240, Rock Hall, MD

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Meury
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 7:13 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: [AmelYachtOwners] crappy job ahead of me....... santorin waste pipe

 

well i have some crappy news...turns out my holding tank pipe is leaking. It is not the hose clamps. What are my options here..this is a santorin. Removal of the wall is pretty straight fwd i believe.


Re: Skarki Headspace / Celing Height

Ros Corcoran <roscorcoran@...>
 

Hi Guys,

I am late to the party but I have the same questions as MATTHIAS, thank you very much for the already very useful measurements.

I am wondering the headroom in the head and also in the aft cabin and forward cabin?

I find it hard to measure those heights from the PDF.

Thank you


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

 

My response in red:
Jamie,
Your 12V pump is looking for about 4A supply at 12V according to its specs. The system is designed to operate with a pump supply current of 1- 1.2A at 12V. I suspect you have damaged your 51385 module. I don't think so. It is the Danfoss Compressor controller that has the limit. If you have an LED alarm you will get 2 Blinks with "Excessive load on fan terminals, above 0.7amps." Remember the voltage for the 51385 comes from the Danfoss Compressor controller. See schematic below with 1 Danfoss circled and also snips from the manual :
image.png
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image.png
Scott,
Did you ever connect a different 12V pump from the specified pump by Frigidaire ? Maybe your 51385 is also fried.
Above
Arno,
I agree with your description.

Jamie,
I suggest to buy the correct pump, and with a 'working' 51385 (operating at 12V) everything should be fine.
Agree
Using the correct 24V pump, the pump is safe under fault conditions, so you won't damage the pump if the voltage regulation on the 51385 fails. The 24V pump operates on a lighter duty than a 12V pump operating at full tilt. This extends its life and makes it quieter.

Just need to be careful with specs about the pumps. Veco rebadge the Flojet 24V pump as a '12V pump' for continuous duty at half the flow rate.
This can be very confusing when discussing the pump, or trying to replace it with a different one.
Agree
CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
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On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 9:04 PM Dean Gillies <stella@...> wrote:
Jamie,
Your 12V pump is looking for about 4A supply at 12V according to its specs. The system is designed to operate with a pump supply current of 1- 1.2A at 12V. I suspect you have damaged your 51385 module. 

Scott,
Did you ever connect a different 12V pump from the specified pump by Frigidaire ? Maybe your 51385 is also fried.

Arno,
I agree with your description.

Jamie,
I suggest to buy the correct pump, and with a 'working' 51385 (operating at 12V) everything should be fine.

Using the correct 24V pump, the pump is safe under fault conditions, so you won't damage the pump if the voltage regulation on the 51385 fails. The 24V pump operates on a lighter duty than a 12V pump operating at full tilt. This extends its life and makes it quieter.

Just need to be careful with specs about the pumps. Veco rebadge the Flojet 24V pump as a '12V pump' for continuous duty at half the flow rate.
This can be very confusing when discussing the pump, or trying to replace it with a different one.

Fun and games indeed!

Dean

X




crappy job ahead of me....... santorin waste pipe

Eric Meury
 

well i have some crappy news...turns out my holding tank pipe is leaking. It is not the hose clamps. What are my options here...this is a santorin. Removal of the wall is pretty straight fwd i believe.


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Porter McRoberts
 

My controller also only puts out 24v. So I use 24v pumps only. And the controllers are no longer available says costal climate. But... pretty easy to build a 3 solenoid relay and a step down converter 24v-12v. That’s all that controller is. It would cost pennies.
Anyone done something similar?

On a separate note, what’s broken in the controller? Is there a manual override to force 12v? Could it be rewired? Fixed? Anyone taken one apart?

Lastly, just step down the 24v to 12v?

12v to a 24v pump would surely improve longevity

Some thoughts on this vexing problem.


Porter
A54-152 IBIS




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On Jul 2, 2020, at 10:04 PM, Dean Gillies <stella@...> wrote:

Jamie,
Your 12V pump is looking for about 4A supply at 12V according to its specs. The system is designed to operate with a pump supply current of 1- 1.2A at 12V. I suspect you have damaged your 51385 module.

Scott,
Did you ever connect a different 12V pump from the specified pump by Frigidaire ? Maybe your 51385 is also fried.

Arno,
I agree with your description.

Jamie,
I suggest to buy the correct pump, and with a 'working' 51385 (operating at 12V) everything should be fine.

Using the correct 24V pump, the pump is safe under fault conditions, so you won't damage the pump if the voltage regulation on the 51385 fails. The 24V pump operates on a lighter duty than a 12V pump operating at full tilt. This extends its life and makes it quieter.

Just need to be careful with specs about the pumps. Veco rebadge the Flojet 24V pump as a '12V pump' for continuous duty at half the flow rate.
This can be very confusing when discussing the pump, or trying to replace it with a different one.

Fun and games indeed!

Dean

Sent from my iPhone X



Re: sm 53 vs 54

Danny and Yvonne SIMMS
 

Hi all. After 10 years and 50,000 + off shore miles in Ocean Pearl SM 299 I thought strongly and seriously about stepping up to a 54. However I was put off by following the posts on this site It seemed I would be buying trouble. While I had positive experience of 20 years  with volvo the 110hp  volvo in the 54 seemed a serious problem. The bamar furlers another issue Likewise the multitude of electrical and electronic issues. Also  although I could possibly have avoided them, the number of 54 that had electronic and electrical upgrades concerned me. Complexity is an archilies heel in a yacht that cruises the more far flung regions. Rightly or wrongly I felt that many of these 54s were being converted into marina hopping med or Caribbean vessels

 Lastly, after considering all this I returned to my belief that in the SM, which was the culmination of a life dedicated to designing the perfect yacht for a couple to sail around the world,  Henry had indeed done just that. So I remain the proud and happy owner of SM 299.

Danny

Ocean Pearl

Mangonui

New Zealand

On 03 July 2020 at 10:11 Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:

Sorry James,
                     I pushed the wrong button. Personally, the last engine in the world I would want is a Volvo, followed by, what is a centre line aft bunk doing in a serious blue water cruising boat? The 54 is height critical when you are seated, if you are the wrong height it can be very uncomfortable. The SM was actively designed and sailed by The Captain , the 54 was designed in an office. Both boats are fantastic, the SM is the finished article of a lifetime's passion and personal experience.
Any really good design has a flow, where form follows function, which ever one is more comfortable for you has to be the right answer.
The  various electrics and the mechanical parts may fail you, but anything built by Amel will not.
Good luck with your search.
Trevor Lusty 
Ireland


Re: sm 53 vs 54

Porter McRoberts
 

Search Karen Smith’s write up on the comparison. 
They sail a SM and recently did a delivery of a 54. 

Here it is actually 



Either way you’re on one of the finest monohulls on the ocean. 
After sailing US to NZ I wouldn’t have any other boat. Except for a SM. 

Porter McRoberts 
A54-152 





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On Jul 2, 2020, at 3:07 PM, james Hosford via groups.io <jay.hosford@...> wrote:


I'm sorry In America so that would be 200,000.  54's are going between 450,000 and 500,000, conservatively you can get a 53 for 200,000 less than that.  Purchase cash is separate from cruising cash, it would be nice to move that much over to the cruising amount but not necessary.  I will be retired when doing this and have good pensions coming in, the boat will be paid for.  So it does turn into, well get the more expensive boat with the nicer layout, you can't take the money with you vs is it really worth the extra money just get the 53.  Or even the 53 is better and you just don't know it yet....etc

Sorry if this offends anyone I'm not trying to be crass or offend any of our international friends.  Just weighing my purchasing options and asking questions and seemed like the group wanted to know more about my situation to be able to help


On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 01:48:28 PM CDT, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:


James,

 

IMO – both boats are great boats. They have multiple advantages over other production yachts. Both will get you from A to B safely.

 

You don’t state where you are located (200g is not a currency). I’m assuming you are USA. If so, Bill and Joel are great resources. If not, in Europe Olivier Beauté is a person to contact.

 

Regarding the 200g, if you are full-time cruising, this will go a long way to being able to take tours, eat out, marina stays, trips home, add a dive-tank compressor etc. For us, this is about 3 years cruising budget. But then again, this amount of money might not be that important to you.

 

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of james Hosford via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:14 AM
To: main@amelyachtowners.groups.io; main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] sm 53 vs 54

 

Mark,

That's kind of my point I'm more interested in what you see as a pro or con.  You have much more experience than I do.  Now I may decide your opinion on something isn't that big a deal in the grand scheme of things but I do think it's important to hear those opinions.   Never know what I might learn.

 

Cruising couple, but must be able to single hand.  Will be taking crew from time to time.  Boat will be for world cruising/live aboard.  It professional but grew up with a boaty diesel mechanic father.  Have rebuilt gasoline and diesel engines and winter chores included re varnishing our 15' wood runabout.     Don't mind a project but would like to  find a boat that has been taken care of and appreciated by their owner.

 

I just thought it could be informative, given the money.  Which you would buy?  If you are paying cash is the 54 worth the extra to you or would you pocket the difference and get the 53.

 

I was honestly all in on the 54 for but recently thought, well how many guests are you actually going to have?   Do you really like it 200g  more than the 53 which seems to be the going difference?  Just wondered what others thoughts were.  

 

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:57:00 PM CDT, james Hosford via groups.io <jay.hosford@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks Bill,

I will take you up on that.

 

On Thursday, July 2, 2020, 12:50:57 PM CDT, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

 

 

Both the SM & the 54 are good Amels. There are differences, advantages, and disadvantages.

 

You may not be aware, but I offer 1 hour free consulting to non-owners of Amel yachts.

 

Maybe you should check this out.

 

Bill

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School

+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...

Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 

 

View My Training Calendar

 

 

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 12:38 PM Ian Park <parkianj@...> wrote:

James,
The majority of us have probably only owned one Amel. A lucky few will have upgraded to a newer model. There is much expertise in this group about each model, but I don’t think there is a font of knowledge about comparisons of pros and cons between each model.
I think you need to do some more personal research and then ask some specific questions about the ones you are interested in.

Good fortune with your research. Whatever the result, you will like most of us, be very happy with the AMEL you choose.

Ian

Ocean Hobo, Santorin 96



Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Dean Gillies
 

Jamie,
Your 12V pump is looking for about 4A supply at 12V according to its specs. The system is designed to operate with a pump supply current of 1- 1.2A at 12V. I suspect you have damaged your 51385 module.

Scott,
Did you ever connect a different 12V pump from the specified pump by Frigidaire ? Maybe your 51385 is also fried.

Arno,
I agree with your description.

Jamie,
I suggest to buy the correct pump, and with a 'working' 51385 (operating at 12V) everything should be fine.

Using the correct 24V pump, the pump is safe under fault conditions, so you won't damage the pump if the voltage regulation on the 51385 fails. The 24V pump operates on a lighter duty than a 12V pump operating at full tilt. This extends its life and makes it quieter.

Just need to be careful with specs about the pumps. Veco rebadge the Flojet 24V pump as a '12V pump' for continuous duty at half the flow rate.
This can be very confusing when discussing the pump, or trying to replace it with a different one.

Fun and games indeed!

Dean

Sent from my iPhone X


Re: sm 53 vs 54

eric freedman
 


On July 2, 2020 at 9:32 PM eric <kimberlite@...> wrote:

Amel stopped using Yanmar on the 54's as they did not conform to the new
pollution standards in Europe.
I took a test drive on the 54 when they were still delivering the 53's. Joel Potter came along.
It was hush hush and the test model was across the marina in La Rochelle.
I did not like the Volvo. They said that if I paid the architect for the modification,they would deliver my boat with a Yanmar as the USA had not yet implemented the more restrictive emission standards at that time. I returned home looking forward to the 54 .Then a cardiologist said I had heart problems. I cancelled my order for hull#12 .
Long story made short the cardiologist made a mistake, however my wife became very iIl. By the time I was able to order the boat it was 3 years later then there was a long wait.

Every boat has positives and negatives. It may sound silly , but my wife did not like to seep against the hull, When I had to get up I had to climb over her. The wide 54 makes that a moot point. I also Like the forward facing nav station. 2 weeks ago we came up to the USA on a starboard tack beating for almost 9 days. Writing on the computer and hanging on with the other hand is no fun.

At this point I will stick with the 53 as Kimberlite and I have been through so much together I would not want to trade her in, It would hurt her feelings.

If I were buying an Amel and had to choose between the 53 and the 54, I would buy the 54.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite

On July 2, 2020 at 6:57 PM "james Hosford via groups.io" <jay.hosford@...> wrote:

Thank you,   Yes I wondered as most late year 53s are yanmar.  Then when they built the 54 they went back to Volvo.   Not sure why they did that.   Yes get you point on the bunks etc which is why I started the thread.   Might like the idea/look of something but in reality it might not be practical.  Glad I found Bills Amel cruise.   Will definitely spend 7 days on both models now

 

On Jul 2, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:

Sorry James,
                     I pushed the wrong button. Personally, the last engine in the world I would want is a Volvo, followed by, what is a centre line aft bunk doing in a serious blue water cruising boat? The 54 is height critical when you are seated, if you are the wrong height it can be very uncomfortable. The SM was actively designed and sailed by The Captain , the 54 was designed in an office. Both boats are fantastic, the SM is the finished article of a lifetime's passion and personal experience.
Any really good design has a flow, where form follows function, which ever one is more comfortable for you has to be the right answer.
The  various electrics and the mechanical parts may fail you, but anything built by Amel will not.
Good luck with your search.
Trevor Lusty 
Ireland

 

 


 


Re: sm 53 vs 54

eric freedman
 

Amel stopped using Yanmar on the 54's as they did not conform to the new
pollution standards in Europe.
I took a test drive on the 54 when they were still delivering the 53's. Joel Potter came along.
It was hush hush and the test model was across the marina in La Rochelle.
I did not like the Volvo. They said that if I paid the architect for the modification,they would deliver my boat with a Yanmar as the USA had not yet implemented the more restrictive emission standards at that time. I returned home looking forward to the 54 .Then a cardiologist said I had heart problems. I cancelled my order for hull#12 .
Long story made short the cardiologist made a mistake, however my wife became very iIl. By the time I was able to order the boat it was 3 years later then there was a long wait.

Every boat has positives and negatives. It may sound silly , but my wife did not like to seep against the hull, When I had to get up I had to climb over her. The wide 54 makes that a moot point. I also Like the forward facing nav station. 2 weeks ago we came up to the USA on a starboard tack beating for almost 9 days. Writing on the computer and hanging on with the other hand is no fun.

At this point I will stick with the 53 as Kimberlite and I have been through so much together I would not want to trade her in, It would hurt her feelings.

If I were buying an Amel and had to choose between the 53 and the 54, I would buy the 54.
Fair Winds,
Eric
SM376 Kimberlite

On July 2, 2020 at 6:57 PM "james Hosford via groups.io" <jay.hosford@...> wrote:

Thank you,   Yes I wondered as most late year 53s are yanmar.  Then when they built the 54 they went back to Volvo.   Not sure why they did that.   Yes get you point on the bunks etc which is why I started the thread.   Might like the idea/look of something but in reality it might not be practical.  Glad I found Bills Amel cruise.   Will definitely spend 7 days on both models now


On Jul 2, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Trevor Lusty <trevlusty@...> wrote:

Sorry James,
                     I pushed the wrong button. Personally, the last engine in the world I would want is a Volvo, followed by, what is a centre line aft bunk doing in a serious blue water cruising boat? The 54 is height critical when you are seated, if you are the wrong height it can be very uncomfortable. The SM was actively designed and sailed by The Captain , the 54 was designed in an office. Both boats are fantastic, the SM is the finished article of a lifetime's passion and personal experience.
Any really good design has a flow, where form follows function, which ever one is more comfortable for you has to be the right answer.
The  various electrics and the mechanical parts may fail you, but anything built by Amel will not.
Good luck with your search.
Trevor Lusty 
Ireland