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Re: Search: rubber sleeves for joysticks

Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
 


Hi Jamie

THX for your quick and helpful response.
How is the correct name and brand from these sleeves from RS deliberiert. Joystick Cover or ...??
Best
Ulrich 

Am 19.02.2021 um 15:03 schrieb Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...>:

By the way, the brand Amel uses is APEM.

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: Bowrhruster gear pil or grease?

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Aktan,

Please find attached our personal email address as we would love to stay make contact:
southernadventurer@...


Kind regards

On Friday, February 19, 2021, 5:11 pm, Aktan Temiz <aktantemiz@...> wrote:

Hello Ross and Donna,
I saw from your email that you are currently in Turkey. I live in Izmir at the west side of Turkey. My wife and I will start to live in our boat (SM2K #469) from the beginning of July 2021. Our boat is waiting for us at Port Napoleon / South France. We bought her at the beginning of 2021 but couldn't see her till now because of pandemi. Most probably we can transfer her in May.
I just want you to know that if you need any help in Turkey for any purpose please do not hesitate to contact me. 
Where are you located now? Do you need anything?
Hope to see you around...
Best regards,
Aktan

--
Aktan TEMiZ
+90 532 296 5599
aktantemiz@...

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io>, 19 Şub 2021 Cum, 15:34 tarihinde şunu yazdı:
Hi Paul,

We have not used grease in the bowthruster, but we changed the lip seal to 29x42x7 from the original 30x42x7 which is what Amel have recommended. This change has prevented any leaking whilst on the hard and also hopefully preventing salt water seeping into the oil when submerged.

Kind regards
Ross and Donna
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently in Turkey


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 19, 2021, 3:07 pm, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

I'm serviceing/ repairing my bowrhruster. Remember a post a few years ago some one used grease instead of oil. Anyone have any experience using grease instead of oil? pros and cons? I notice that oil drops out from the lipseal when on the hard even with a new lipseal. Have now a new shaft the surface was a bit rough so smooth it with 2000 grit. 
Paul on sykerpa SM 259 Lagos 



--
Aktan TEMiZ
+90 532 296 5599
aktantemiz@...


Re: Bowrhruster gear pil or grease?

Aktan Temiz
 

Hello Ross and Donna,
I saw from your email that you are currently in Turkey. I live in Izmir at the west side of Turkey. My wife and I will start to live in our boat (SM2K #469) from the beginning of July 2021. Our boat is waiting for us at Port Napoleon / South France. We bought her at the beginning of 2021 but couldn't see her till now because of pandemi. Most probably we can transfer her in May.
I just want you to know that if you need any help in Turkey for any purpose please do not hesitate to contact me. 
Where are you located now? Do you need anything?
Hope to see you around...
Best regards,
Aktan

--
Aktan TEMiZ
+90 532 296 5599
aktantemiz@...

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond via groups.io <southernadventurer=yahoo.co.uk@groups.io>, 19 Şub 2021 Cum, 15:34 tarihinde şunu yazdı:

Hi Paul,

We have not used grease in the bowthruster, but we changed the lip seal to 29x42x7 from the original 30x42x7 which is what Amel have recommended. This change has prevented any leaking whilst on the hard and also hopefully preventing salt water seeping into the oil when submerged.

Kind regards
Ross and Donna
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356
Currently in Turkey


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad

On Friday, February 19, 2021, 3:07 pm, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

I'm serviceing/ repairing my bowrhruster. Remember a post a few years ago some one used grease instead of oil. Anyone have any experience using grease instead of oil? pros and cons? I notice that oil drops out from the lipseal when on the hard even with a new lipseal. Have now a new shaft the surface was a bit rough so smooth it with 2000 grit. 
Paul on sykerpa SM 259 Lagos 



--
Aktan TEMiZ
+90 532 296 5599
aktantemiz@...


Re: Search: rubber sleeves for joysticks

Jamie Wendell
 

By the way, the brand Amel uses is APEM.

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: Search: rubber sleeves for joysticks

Jamie Wendell
 

I ordered some total replacement joysticks from Amel for the sail furler controls - the momentary switches. I also ordered additional switches from RS Components for the winch controls and the bow thruster, since Amel does not use the types I needed.

RS Components can supply any that you need, and they sell individual parts as well.

I replaced all my switches with the new style seen on the new Amels (A55 picture below). Very nice and they feel better in your hand than the small original ones, which were falling apart on my A54.

The web address is below:

https://americas.rsdelivers.com/

Jamie
Phantom, A54 #44


Re: Bowrhruster gear pil or grease?

Ross Hickey & Donna Hammond
 

Hi Paul,

We have not used grease in the bowthruster, but we changed the lip seal to 29x42x7 from the original 30x42x7 which is what Amel have recommended. This change has prevented any leaking whilst on the hard and also hopefully preventing salt water seeping into the oil when submerged.

Kind regards
Ross and Donna
SV Intrepid Kiwi
SM2K #356

On Friday, February 19, 2021, 3:07 pm, Paul Osterberg <osterberg.paul.l@...> wrote:

I'm serviceing/ repairing my bowrhruster. Remember a post a few years ago some one used grease instead of oil. Anyone have any experience using grease instead of oil? pros and cons? I notice that oil drops out from the lipseal when on the hard even with a new lipseal. Have now a new shaft the surface was a bit rough so smooth it with 2000 grit. 
Paul on sykerpa SM 259 Lagos 


Bowrhruster gear pil or grease?

Paul Osterberg
 

I'm serviceing/ repairing my bowrhruster. Remember a post a few years ago some one used grease instead of oil. Anyone have any experience using grease instead of oil? pros and cons? I notice that oil drops out from the lipseal when on the hard even with a new lipseal. Have now a new shaft the surface was a bit rough so smooth it with 2000 grit. 
Paul on sykerpa SM 259 Lagos 


Search: rubber sleeves for joysticks

Ulrich Michael Dangelmeyer
 

Dear Ameliens, friends of the oceans,

wherever you are, I hope you are in good health!

On our 54 "Soleil Bleu" the rubber sleeves at the bottom of the joysticks for the bow thruster and port side anchor winch are torn and need to be replaced.
Amel is not able to supply individual parts, only complete joysticks. the most luxurious solution.

Even online at Amazon and EBay, no such rubbers are offered.
Do you have any experience with this, a supplier or an idea how I can get on? Any hints or tips are very welcome and appreciated .

Thanks to all. Fair winds and stay safe.

Best wishes and Regards
Ulrich
„Soleil Bleu“ / A54#088

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Re: ULTRA anchor 45KG or 35KG

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Amel Gang, 

We have an Ultra 35kgs on ours. 

NEVER dragged in 4 years of living largely on anchor. 

Very pleased

Jean-Pierre Germain, Eleuthera, SM007, Opua, NZ


On 19/02/2021, at 9:23 AM, Jose Venegas via groups.io <josegvenegas@...> wrote:

Bill,
The only time I would be worried about having a very heavy anchor is if I need to leave an anchorage in a hurry and have to bring it up by hand because the windlass malfunctioned. 
The 35 kg digs in so much that it needs some help from the engine to dislodge.  Ultra’s manufacturer gives a warranty of up to a CAT 2 for the 35 Kg in an Amel  SM2000


Re: ULTRA anchor 45KG or 35KG

Jose Venegas
 

Bill,
The only time I would be worried about having a very heavy anchor is if I need to leave an anchorage in a hurry and have to bring it up by hand because the windlass malfunctioned. 
The 35 kg digs in so much that it needs some help from the engine to dislodge.  Ultra’s manufacturer gives a warranty of up to a CAT 2 for the 35 Kg in an Amel  SM2000


Re: Alternator charging a Lithium bank

Dominique Sery
 

Hello,
Victron recommends that you put T fuses on each battery line in series as you have done. I planned to put in 400 A as you did. Security essential it seems to me.
I bought 6x12,8v batteries and i planned to put 3x400A fuses like you.
Dominique


Re: Alternator charging a Lithium bank

Scott SV Tengah
 

Doug,

I don't know enough about it to opine as to whether it's a good idea but if it doesn't have any negative effects, better safe than sorry. Let us know what you decide to do.

I have a 450amp "Mega" fuse on each serial pair of Victron Lithiums. I have had them blow when a technician was working on the bow thruster and during this one test forget to shutoff the main switches. The fuses probably saved us from quite a bit more damage. I have heard that Amel did not add fuses because they were concerned that with the original spec lead batteries, high loads would cause such a significant voltage drop that the amperage would spike and potentially blow the fuse. I am certainly glad I have them!

As a side note, the blown fuses showed perfect continuity but would not pass any current! Made me scratch my head for a few hours.

--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Amel Santorin "OYANA" HULL No 98

Dariusz Przygonski SN#89 LILA
 

Hello everybody! Does anyone here know the history, owners (also former ones), technical condition or pretty much anything relevant about Amel Santorin „OYANA” (N 89)? Thanks in advance for your help!


Re: Where best to locate Raymarine Evolution Autopilot EV-1 Sensor Core on Santorin

Grant Starling
 

Hi Antonio,

Thanks for the feedback.  If you can post a photo of the location of the flux gate that would be appreciated.  Not sure that position is any more central then my current location behind the port salon sofa, but could be a better?

Good idea keeping the 6000 as a spare - I may do the same now that you mention it.  I already have a spare rotary drive motor, so probably good to have a spare back-up system for my circumnavigation.

best
Grant


Re: Alternator charging a Lithium bank

Doug Smith
 

Great feedback Scott, Dominique and Dean. I feel like I am in a “masterclass”.

I was thinking of the Sterling APD, in the same way you use fuses for the batteries.  It is unlikely that the 450 fuses would blow, but having the APD installed gives protection to the alternator, if there is a disconnect of the batteries for any reason.  Not just cutoff of the BMS, but a disconnect for other reasons like a blown fuse on the Cerbo, or BMS, or even the main battery fuses while the engine is running.  Maybe overkill, and that is why I am putting this out there. Trying to learn from those who are already doing the installation and living with it, while I am buying pieces. 

 

Doug Smith

S/V Aventura, Amel 54-113

Patuxent River, MD USA

 

From: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> on behalf of Scott SV Tengah <Scott.nguyen@...>
Reply-To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 2021 at 3:29 AM
To: <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Alternator charging a Lithium bank

 

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: correction: cerbo vs. cyrix confusion on my part]

Doug/all,

That Cerbo GX is pretty powerful! I just skimmed the manual and it certainly provides a lot of cool features. If I was building a system from scratch, I would possibly consider adding it, although the parasitic draw of it and the DMC (which you are required to have if you have the Ve-bus BMS and want to also be able to turn off your inverter - see manual) starts to add up. I went down this road to minimize generator usage, so I am willing to give up some cool features to achieve my primary goal. 

That said, I agree with Dean on minimizing the number of devices/connections that need to work perfectly to keep my expensive Victron batteries alive. One single connection/device failure, ONE TIME, could kill a battery. Not great when you're in the middle of the Pacific. My caveman relay system was "designed" so that if they fail open, the worst case is that the alternator stops charging prematurely. If they fail closed, the MV Alpha Pro II will still stop charging at 27.4v or thereabouts. A low enough absorption voltage that you're well out of the knees of the voltage curve, so per Victron techs, the likelihood of a cell over voltage that is masked by the bank voltage is very very low. If you go the Cerbo route, I suggest you do the same with respect to MV absorption voltages. 

Maybe I am missing something important, but why is the Sterling APD necessary on a mostly Victron system? The over volt/overtemp is dealt with by turning off the MPPT,Quattro,Skylla,MV Alternator and ceasing charging - you will not have a hard disconnect event with the alternator pumping out full output. On a low cell voltage event, the Victron solution is to cut off the loads. The batteries are still connected to the charging side if I recall correctly so the alternator will not experience a hard disconnect. In any event, low voltage disconnect is a missing piece on my system, as I mentioned in previous posts. My installation of the Victron BP-220 was unsuccessful and I intend to wire my system so that the Onan starts if SOC gets below say 30% or possibly if cell voltage is below 3v. To be continued.

Dominique - you can adjust the charging voltages on the MV if that helps. Start with the Lithium profile and adjust as you feel appropriate. That said, I personally think the LiCT and the Li Charge are adding unnecessary complexity. For reasons mentioned above, if I can achieve the same functional result, I would rather go simpler vs. more complex.

Dean - I think that without the BMV-712,  the Cerbo wouldn't know how many AH the MV alternator is putting into the batteries? Maybe it gets that value from its own shunt?


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Alternator charging a Lithium bank

Dean Gillies
 
Edited

On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 07:17 PM, Scott SV Tengah wrote:

Dean - I think that without the BMV-712,  the Cerbo wouldn't know how many AH the MV alternator is putting into the batteries? Maybe it gets that value from its own shunt?

Scott, 
My REC BMS has its own shunt, which allows it to monitor Ah in/out (Coulomb count), this information is provided from my BMS to the Cerbo by CAN Bus and is used by the DVCC assistant as well as being displayed on the Touch. In my case the 712 is therefore redundant.
If the Victron batteries/BMS offer this same functionality, then I wondered if the 712 is not needed.  It may be that the Victron battery/BMS subsystem does not provide this function?

Cheers, Dean
SV Stella
A54-154


Re: Alternator charging a Lithium bank

Dean Gillies
 

Hi Dominique,
Scott does have a good solution.

Regarding the Cyrix disconnect, I'm not convinced you will see that problem in real use. It is very unusual for a lead acid battery (gel, agm or flooded) to rest for long at 13.2V+ volts. As soon as you apply any load at all to the battery, the voltage will drop to 12.7-12.8V.  I suspect that simply connecting your battery to the Cyrix will cause the voltage to drop quickly to less than 13.2V (per battery) and therefore the Cyrix unit will disconnect. 

Maybe you can test this?

Personally I like the idea of retaining some Lead Acid capacity for a few reasons, but mainly as a fail safe. The system I am working on at the moment has lead acid and Lithium connected directly together. Ie no Cyrix unit in the system. As you correctly noted this does cause the Li battery to top-off the Pb at the end of a charge cycle, and the Pb does almost nothing on a discharge cycle until the Li reaches around 5% SOC.  If you think about these two characteristics for a bit, you will realise that they are very good things. Li batteries don't like to remain at high SOC for too long (they won't), and the Pb batteries provide an extra buffer at low SOC to support the Lithium batteries as they near low Voltage disconnect.

When operating the system in real life, I would try to maintain the Li system above 20% SOC, this means that the Pb batteries are almost always close to full charge.

If/when the Li batteries disconnect (for any of the reasons that can happen) the Pb batteries continue to power the boat systems with no outage.

The alternator disconnect issue is solved of course, because the Pb is always in the system.

When leaving the boat or simply being alongside for long periods, the Li system can be dropped to 50% SOC and simply turned off, leaving the Pb system to operate in the usual float mode. 

Finally, as with your system, weight of the Pb batteries helps with the port side list of the 54. 

Best regards, Dean

SV Stella
A54-154

 

 

 


Re: Alternator charging a Lithium bank

Scott SV Tengah
 
Edited

Doug/all,

That Cerbo GX is pretty powerful! I just skimmed the manual and it certainly provides a lot of cool features. If I was building a system from scratch, I would possibly consider adding it, although the parasitic draw of it and the DMC (which you are required to have if you have the Ve-bus BMS and want to also be able to turn off your inverter - see manual) starts to add up. I went down this road to minimize generator usage, so I am willing to give up some cool features to achieve my primary goal. 

That said, I agree with Dean on minimizing the number of devices/connections that need to work perfectly to keep my expensive Victron batteries alive. One single connection/device failure, ONE TIME, could kill a battery. Not great when you're in the middle of the Pacific. My caveman relay system was "designed" so that if they fail open, the worst case is that the alternator stops charging prematurely. If they fail closed, the MV Alpha Pro II will still stop charging at 27.4v or thereabouts. A low enough absorption voltage that you're well out of the knees of the voltage curve, so per Victron techs, the likelihood of a cell over voltage that is masked by the bank voltage is very very low. If you go the Cerbo route, I suggest you do the same with respect to MV absorption voltages. 

Maybe I am missing something important, but why is the Sterling APD necessary on a mostly Victron system? The over volt/overtemp is dealt with by turning off the MPPT,Quattro,Skylla,MV Alternator and ceasing charging - you will not have a hard disconnect event with the alternator pumping out full output. On a low cell voltage event, the Victron solution is to cut off the loads. The batteries are still connected to the charging side if I recall correctly so the alternator will not experience a hard disconnect. In any event, low voltage disconnect is a missing piece on my system, as I mentioned in previous posts. My installation of the Victron BP-220 was unsuccessful and I intend to wire my system so that the Onan starts if SOC gets below say 30% or possibly if cell voltage is below 3v. To be continued.

Dominique - you can adjust the charging voltages on the MV if that helps. Start with the Lithium profile and adjust as you feel appropriate. That said, I personally think the LiCT and the Li Charge are adding unnecessary complexity. For reasons mentioned above, if I can achieve the same functional result, I would rather go simpler vs. more complex.

Dean - I think that without the BMV-712,  the Cerbo wouldn't know how many AH the MV alternator is putting into the batteries? Maybe it gets that value from its own shunt?


--
Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: Alternator charging a Lithium bank

Dominique Sery
 

Hello Dean,
 
Before having read the attractive solution proposed by Scott, I considered, as proposed by Victron, to keep two lead batteries (in series to have 24v) connected in parallel to the lithium batteries with either a Cyrix Li CT or a Cyrix Li Charge associated with an Argofet diode distributor.
What annoys me:
The Mastervolt alternator (with lithium profile chosen with the Master Adjust software via the Masterbus-USB interface) has a bulk phase at 14.25 v, an absorption time at 0 and a maintenance phase at 13.25 v.
With the Li CT the coupling is done at 13.4v and the separation at 13.2v. The Victron batteries that I received (not yet installed, for the moment in my garage) have a voltage of 13.28v whereas they would be charged only at 50/60% according to Victron. Charged, the voltage will be a bit higher so I'm afraid that the Li CT will remain open when the engine is stopped (the alternator doesn't turn anymore) and that the Li batteries will discharge into the Pb batteries until they are below 13.2v and the relay opens.
For the Cyrix Li charge the connection is made at 13.7v and the disconnection at 13.4v.
So the generator will be switched off at the end of the bulk phase and will not use the 13.25v maintenance phase provided by Mastervolt, the Argofet diode generator will consume power even when stopped unless additional relays are installed.
The solution proposed by Scott with an SSR seems more interesting to me.


Re: Alternator charging a Lithium bank

Dominique Sery
 

Thank you Scott,
You have found a good solution,
thank you for sharing it.
Dominique
 

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