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Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Germain Jean-Pierre
 

Hello Jamie,

I did not check their website but they may have something which fits your needs

Marco Pumps. Well made in Italy. 

GL in your experiment 

Jean-Pierre Germain, SY Eleuthera, SM007.


On 28/06/2020, at 1:59 PM, Jamie Wendell <mysticshadow54@...> wrote:

Robert Giroux posted this link. Seems we can get a shaft adapter that should do the job.

Any of these fit your application? https://www.amazon.com/s?k=8mm+to+10mm+Bore+Stainless+Steel+coupling&

Knowing that I can now go from 10mm to 8mm with this coupling, I am going to start my "experiment" to see if I can get Oliver's brushless motor solution to work.
I will post my success or failure soon - fingers crossed.

Until then, let's hope we can keep our "cool" with the Flojet pumps........even if we have to carry some spares. I just ordered 3 more.
Jamie
Phantom A54 #44


Re: New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Jamie Wendell
 

Robert Giroux posted this link. Seems we can get a shaft adapter that should do the job.

Any of these fit your application? https://www.amazon.com/s?k=8mm+to+10mm+Bore+Stainless+Steel+coupling&

Knowing that I can now go from 10mm to 8mm with this coupling, I am going to start my "experiment" to see if I can get Oliver's brushless motor solution to work.
I will post my success or failure soon - fingers crossed.

Until then, let's hope we can keep our "cool" with the Flojet pumps........even if we have to carry some spares. I just ordered 3 more.
Jamie
Phantom A54 #44


Updated Event: ZOOM Meeting with Battle Born LiFePO4 Lithium Batteries - Saturday, 8 August 2020 #cal-invite

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Re: Installation of Electric oven with induction cooktop

Barry Connor
 

Hi Jeremy and Debbie, 
Thank you for this information. I have a few months as the lithium battery install will take some months.
I will email GN Espace and ask about a smaller unit.
I have only found the Horizon 3 made in Italy.
Looking at other forums, people have been asking about this combination for a few years.
We looked over the 60 and 50 last year in Cannes. Very nice, you should enjoy the 50.

Very Best

Barry and Penny
“SV Lady Penelope II”
Amel 54. #17
Sainte Anne anchorage Martinique 


On Jun 27, 2020, at 13:51, Jeremy Spurr <jnwspurr@...> wrote:

Hi Barry - this may be of interest - shortly to be launched by GN Espace - designed to fit in the same space envelope as the Force 10 gas and ceramic hob versions that fit the A50 and same dimensions as their OceanChef 3 gas variant .  I believe it is GN who package the Miele units fitted to the A60s and have now produced this more compact unit of own manufacture with electric oven and induction hob

Kind regards

Jeremy & Debbie Spurr
A50 #42
Name: tbd
Location : currently in the mould at La Rochelle
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<OceanChef 3 Electric.pdf>


Re: Installation of Electric oven with induction cooktop

Matt Salatino
 

Great find, Jeremy!

~~~⛵️~~~Matt

On Jun 27, 2020, at 7:51 PM, Jeremy Spurr <jnwspurr@...> wrote:

Hi Barry - this may be of interest - shortly to be launched by GN Espace - designed to fit in the same space envelope as the Force 10 gas and ceramic hob versions that fit the A50 and same dimensions as their OceanChef 3 gas variant .  I believe it is GN who package the Miele units fitted to the A60s and have now produced this more compact unit of own manufacture with electric oven and induction hob

Kind regards

Jeremy & Debbie Spurr
A50 #42
Name: tbd
Location : currently in the mould at La Rochelle
<Force 10 2.JPG>
<OC3_Glass.JPG>
<OceanChef 3 Electric.pdf>


New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)

Scott SV Tengah
 

This is a new thread to continue the overly long thread at:

https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/topic/a54_fridge_circulation_pump/34255404?p=Created,,,20,1,60,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,34255404&jump=1
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OLIVER - can you post the video of your fridge pump installation? Also, it seems your link is for a 10mm shaft motor. Can you verify it's the same link you ordered your 8mm shaft motor from?
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Jamie, good thing you mentioned to me that the shaft on the pump Oliver linked was 10mm. I asked the AliExpress seller if he has the exact same motor with an 8mm shaft. Perhaps Oliver posted the wrong link or perhaps they changed the spec on the motor. Hope Oliver sees and responds to this.

This is mindblowingly annoying - I am fine paying to get a solution as I'm now a bit nervous about leaving the boat for more than a day in case the pump dies and all my frozen food goes to waste! 

I emailed my contact at March Pumps to determine the shaft spec on their centrifugal pump motors to see if we can cannibalize the brushless motor part to use with the flojet pump head. I was in conversation with him prior about using their 12v 893-07 pump, but he stated that it's probably not a good idea since I cannot guarantee constant prime. This is the case with my freshwater system but he even said it's the case with a SW system due to boat movement.

Here's what he said prior when I suggested using the full March 893-07 pump:

"The setup you have there wouldn’t make our pumps very happy. My concern would be that first pump in the line right there at the “Y” split…..when that turns on it may siphon water backwards out of our pump and suck it dry….you could install a check valve on the outlet side of the pump but it would have to have a very small pop open pressure as the 893-07 will only generate about 4.5psi when its dead headed at 0 flow.

 

If the setup is mounted all below the waterline then the lines should prime with water naturally and you shouldn’t have to prime them…if the pump would be above the water line then a check valve would need to be installed to help keep it primed. The initial prime you would have to get creative in doing so….a lot of people will install another “T” with a valve and a fitting to hook up a garden hose….you they can open the valve and turn on the hose until its all filled up and turn the valve off then unhook the hose.

The flo-jet pump I believe are all rubber vein impellers and are self priming so they are different then our pumps and wouldn’t be a direct swap over between the two."


The first pump he mentions is the domestic FW pump. His check valve/T valve solution adds complexity, which I dislike, but if it is our only potential solution then we might have no other choice. If we have 5 more years of sailing, it's insane for me to carry 10 Flojet pumps as backup.


Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Scott SV Tengah
 
Edited

I'll move the conversation to a new thread, but quick responses to close this one out. Please respond on the new thread entitled: "New Thread on A54 fridge pumps (ATTN: OLIVER Vela Nautica)"

Arno - what I like about Oliver's solution, if he can share info and we can replicate it, is that it uses the same pump head/water moving parts from the Flojet. I have two remaining Flojet pumps so I will place one complete original flojet pump next to the Frankenstein brushless pump. On my A54, two Flojets are placed side by side because I think Amel knew they die quite often. With the proposed setup, if the brushless pump dies in the middle of nowhere, I can quickly switch things over from one pump to the other, as I do now.

Robert - we need a 10mm to 8mm "D" shaft reducer. Know where we can get that?

Mark - I have the Marco pump for my FW system with an expansion tank. You NEED the expansion tank otherwise you will get mysterious leaks due to overpressure from the fw toilet water solenoids slamming shut when the pump is running. I got the 2l stainless one. As it relates to using a Marco for the fridge pump, another A54 Garulfo tried and the Marco overheats and dies even faster than the Flojet. So no go there.

Brent - My understanding is that, despite the insulation replacement, Oliver is now getting 75% duty cycle now that he's in the tropics (versus single digit duty cycle in Portugal?). Regardless, if there's a brushless pump that doesn't die every 5-6 months, I will crawl on my knees to get it (kidding, sort of).

I will say that my galley freezer/fridge has been turned off now that we're near reasonably well stocked grocery stores. This made a huge difference in energy consumption and pump duty cycle. The A54 setup has the water hoses daisy chained, whereas Frigoboat wants you to run them parallel. Earlier, my saloon freezer never really got that cold. I assume it's because by the time the cooling water got to it, the other two units had already heated up the water quite a bit.

Now I just run the aft most front opening fridge and the saloon seat freezer. This makes a huge difference as the insulation on the galley top loading freezer is terrible as Oliver mentioned. Ours was soaked because the fridge would accumulate a lot of condensate water at the bottom and the junction between the stainless "box" and the PVC pipe that allows the compressor lines was NOT sealed well. I know this because after I cleaned out the box, water was bubbling UP from the insulation into the box at this junction. I sort of fixed it by applying sika291 at this junction and also filling the inside of the PVC (where the compressor lines run) with sika291. I had used the same expanding foam as Oliver prior but that simply got soaked and moldy.

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Scott 
2007 A54 #69
SV Tengah
http://www.svtengah.com


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Brent Cameron
 

Hi Carina, Oliver posted a very good 2 part video series on YouTube about the whole process.  It isn’t for the faint of heart but it really does seem to be a worthwhile upgrade to extend your pump life and time on batteries.  Enjoy!
Part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caZtybwa0-Y
Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFk5pz2zXI4

Brent Cameron, Future Amel owner & Amel Owner's Registry Moderator

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Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada


Re: Installation of Electric oven with induction cooktop

Jeremy Spurr
 

Hi Barry - this may be of interest - shortly to be launched by GN Espace - designed to fit in the same space envelope as the Force 10 gas and ceramic hob versions that fit the A50 and same dimensions as their OceanChef 3 gas variant .  I believe it is GN who package the Miele units fitted to the A60s and have now produced this more compact unit of own manufacture with electric oven and induction hob

Kind regards

Jeremy & Debbie Spurr
A50 #42
Name: tbd
Location : currently in the mould at La Rochelle


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Mark & Debbie Mueller
 

The Marco pump works great as a fresh water pressure pump and is much quieter than the Amel OEM water pump.  However, it is significantly noisier than the Flojet.  You will wan to start thinking about some sound insulation when you use it as a raw water pump for the refrigeration system.
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Mark Mueller
Brass Ring  A54


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Robert Giroux
 

Any of these fit your application? https://www.amazon.com/s?k=8mm+to+10mm+Bore+Stainless+Steel+coupling&

 

 

Regards,

Robert Giroux

Future Amel Owner

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jamie Wendell
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 10:05 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] A54 fridge circulation pump

 

Scott, I know this thread should not be used and we should create a new one. I just "lost" 2 more refrigerator pumps. I took them to a motor rebuild shop in Annapolis, and they told me they are worn beyond repair.

I saw your post about taking the leap into the brushless motor world, hoping to solve the pump dilemma. I will tell you I finally got the parts Oliver recommended - after almost 6 months. Unfortunately the motor he suggested has a 10mm diameter shaft. We need an 8mm shaft, so I cannot use that unless I create a reducer of some sort or order a different motor.

I will try to get the controller working for curiosity, but without the ability to connect the motor to the pump, I will likely have to abandon the project and just keep buying Flojet 4106 pumps (the newer version I believe, vs 4105 series).

I did notice that March Pumps offers a centrifugal pump driven by a brushless 24V motor. Although it is a bit expensive and only suitable (in its normal non-self-priming service) for salt-water cooling where the pump remains flooded, it might be worth buying it and using only the motor. If it works it would stop us having to buy many $100 motors that go bad in 6 months or less. The motor looks as if it will work directly with a steady 24V supply - no custom controller needed. Of course, the shaft would have to work here as well. If we can get the shaft to mate, all we would need is a relay to turn on the pump via a 24V supply in the engine room and the Frigoboat 12V output signal.

May be worth a shot..................

Jamie
Phantom A54 #44


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

Jamie Wendell
 

Scott, I know this thread should not be used and we should create a new one. I just "lost" 2 more refrigerator pumps. I took them to a motor rebuild shop in Annapolis, and they told me they are worn beyond repair.

I saw your post about taking the leap into the brushless motor world, hoping to solve the pump dilemma. I will tell you I finally got the parts Oliver recommended - after almost 6 months. Unfortunately the motor he suggested has a 10mm diameter shaft. We need an 8mm shaft, so I cannot use that unless I create a reducer of some sort or order a different motor.

I will try to get the controller working for curiosity, but without the ability to connect the motor to the pump, I will likely have to abandon the project and just keep buying Flojet 4106 pumps (the newer version I believe, vs 4105 series).

I did notice that March Pumps offers a centrifugal pump driven by a brushless 24V motor. Although it is a bit expensive and only suitable (in its normal non-self-priming service) for salt-water cooling where the pump remains flooded, it might be worth buying it and using only the motor. If it works it would stop us having to buy many $100 motors that go bad in 6 months or less. The motor looks as if it will work directly with a steady 24V supply - no custom controller needed. Of course, the shaft would have to work here as well. If we can get the shaft to mate, all we would need is a relay to turn on the pump via a 24V supply in the engine room and the Frigoboat 12V output signal.

May be worth a shot..................

Jamie
Phantom A54 #44


Re: A good laugh at my expense

 

Funny.

I think I told Mark & Cindy about raising a Cellular WiFi Access Point device on a halyard in a lock & lock box for better cellular reception. And, I didn't put in in my book. It will be in the Amel Book shortly.😀

Best,

CW Bill Rouse 
Amel Owners Yacht School
+1 832-380-4970 | brouse@...
720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
www.AmelOwnersYachtSchool.com 
Yacht School Calendar: www.preparetocastoff.blogspot.com/p/calendar.html


   


On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 5:48 AM Porter McRoberts via groups.io <portermcroberts=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Needs to go into the Bill Rouse book!


On Jun 26, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



When in an area with low or almost no bars on the cell phone (we use for data), I’ll often put the phone up the mizzen mast to improve the line-of-sight to the cell tower.

 

On this occasion, I mistied the bowline knot and when I went to pull the phone down, this happened.

 

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So I made this:

 

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It is two boat poles (shown unextended), two pieces of PVC pipe (I had laying about) and a wire coat hanger. This is all held together with duct tape. Cindy put me up the main mast. I extended the boat poles and after a few tries I was able to snag the bag with the phone in it using the coat hanger hook. Pulling the phone toward me, I could then lower it to the deck.

 

 

Yet another reason to sail a ketch!

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: problems installing a new Yanmar engine #replacement

Mark McGovern
 

No problem.  All of the old Yahoo messages, files, and photos can still be found here on the new forum. You just have to use the "search" function. Search Messages, Files, and Photos separately using keywords like "engine alignment" and you will find a ton of great information.

Here is a link to the File folder with the information that I uploaded:  https://amelyachtowners.groups.io/g/main/files/Yanmar%204JH3-HTE%20Alignment%20Information

Last, it is customary on this forum to have a "signature" at the bottom of your post with your name, your boat's model and name, and your current location.  It not only makes the forum "friendlier" since we know who we are talking to but it also helps to know what specific boat you have and where you are in the world.   Another Amel owner might just be in the same port as you and willing to lend you a hand!  You can set up this signature to happen automatically whenever you post in your Profile.

Good luck with the alignment!

--
Mark McGovern
SM #440 Cara
Deale, MD USA


Re: A good laugh at my expense

Porter McRoberts
 

Needs to go into the Bill Rouse book!


On Jun 26, 2020, at 7:49 PM, Mark Erdos <mcerdos@...> wrote:



When in an area with low or almost no bars on the cell phone (we use for data), I’ll often put the phone up the mizzen mast to improve the line-of-sight to the cell tower.

 

On this occasion, I mistied the bowline knot and when I went to pull the phone down, this happened.

 

<image005.jpg>

 

So I made this:

 

<image006.jpg>

 

It is two boat poles (shown unextended), two pieces of PVC pipe (I had laying about) and a wire coat hanger. This is all held together with duct tape. Cindy put me up the main mast. I extended the boat poles and after a few tries I was able to snag the bag with the phone in it using the coat hanger hook. Pulling the phone toward me, I could then lower it to the deck.

 

 

Yet another reason to sail a ketch!

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currently cruising - Tahiti, French Polynesia

www.creampuff.us

 


Re: problems installing a new Yanmar engine #replacement

Ira and Roman Morozov
 

Mark McGover, thanks you! This information is very useful! We are doing as Olivier wrote. Unfortunately, the link with files and pictures on Yahoo does not work. Could you send me the pictures? I would be very grateful to you


Re: A54 fridge circulation pump

CARINA HAMMARLUND
 

Hi Oliver,
Very good information 👍🏻

Di you have any photos from When you changed the insulation? We’re thinking of doing the same ...
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Carina
SV Ultimo
Amel 54 No 165


Re: anyone selling and or have b&g equipment laying around

Rink De Haan
 

Hi Eric,

I have a bag full of old / spare b&g stuff including wind and depth. All 2001. I also have a spare NMEA FFD unused and in original box. I am in the process of replacing all electronics. You can have it for the postage price and a bottle of wine.
Beginning next year I will have all B&G electronics replaced. Also available for anyone interested.

I will be on the boat next weekend and can bring it all back home if you like.

Best regards 
Rink
SM2k #330 Razors Edge.

Outlook voor iOS downloaden


anyone selling and or have b&g equipment laying around

Eric Meury
 

anyone have their old bg instruments and depth sounder etc laying around that they have yet to sell.  I am intereted.


Re: Slide Hammer

Brent Cameron
 

Hi Kent, unfortunately, I have quite a bit of very recent experience with them.  I used to “rent” them from the local auto shops (you pay a full price deposit, use the tool and then return it for a full refund so the rental is gratis).  I’ve used them to pull wheel bearings, CV Joints and wheelhubs out from the very solidly rusted vehicles up here in the Canadian winters (they use a fair bit of salt which makes it somewhat challenging).  Last week, I tried to rent one to pull the gimbal bearing off my Mercruiser Alpha One inboard/outboard sterndrive on our motorboat that my daughter accidentally sunk last summer while Jen and I were away in Europe.  (Don’t forget to put the plug in the boat BEFORE you run it down the railway!)  Anyway,  due to the Covid stuff, they’ve all stopped renting tools so I ended up buying one at the local Princess Auto (our version of Harbour Frieght).  I’ve seen that their version, is the same as what I got.  It's on sale this week for the equivalent of about $60 USD.   

I whaled away at that damn gimbal bearing (it’s about a 4” by 1” bearing inside a long tunnel of a race and was VERY severely corroded in there without much luck.  The one I have has a 5 lb slide (the more the merrier) and I let it soak in PB Blaster for about a week and even fashioned using a 4 ton hydraulic jack to try to lever the thing out using the attachments of the slide hammer and a cross bar I built using metal and a 4x4 post…. All I ended up doing was snapping four 3/8” u-bolts like they were made of butter.  I finally gave up and called in the pro.. who showed up with the exact same slide hammer as I had, he put it on and gave it two huge whacks and it came right out!  To be fair to me, I didn’t try it for the 3-4 days before he showed up and it was sitting in PB blaster but he did whale away at it harder than I could (he used very thick gloves which helps cushion the blow).  He said that he’s never had a gimbal bearing stick that he hasn’t been able to get out with that tool.   Here’s the link to what I got. https://www.princessauto.com/en/detail/10-way-slide-hammer-puller-kit/A-p8309262e but I am very sure I saw the same thing on the Harbour Freight website too (PA and HF seem to use the same companies even though they aren’t related).  Normally, I find their cheap Chinese tools don’t stand up well but I was very impressed with how strong this was - especially considering I had a 4 ton jack pulling on those little arms and it didn’t even leave a scratch on them.  My pro has been using the same set for 5 years and says he’s never had an issue with it either.  

There aren’t any instruction manuals with it but those three arms go on that black three armed attachment that gets threaded on (after the round disk) to the end of the slide hammer rod.  The round disk, winds down, levering the arms apart so that it can grab the inside race of the bearing… when you have got ALL of the play out of it, you just whale away at it as hard as you possibly can and the shock breaks the bond and out she comes…. DO wear very thick gloves as that thing makes your bones ring!  

The good thing is that after a set of plugs, a new distributor cap and the new gimbal bearing, the boat is working perfectly now… love to get you and Iris out for that Canal trip to see our fascinating locks if the damn border ever opens up again!  Enjoy Maine!  I’ve flown over that whole area up there and it’s on my bucket list.  

Brent Cameron, Future Amel owner & Amel Owner's Registry Moderator

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Brent Cameron

Future Amel Owner & Amel Owner Registry Moderator

Oro-Medonte, Ontario, Canada