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Re: SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bushing

Craig & Katherine Briggs SN 68 Sangaris Tropic Isle Harbor, FL
 

Hi Mike,
I suspect there is nothing new on this nor any particular consensus - it may well have migrated from engineering to philosophy ;-)
If yours is fine you may want to follow the adage of, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".  Or change it and in a couple of years add to the anecdotal evidence being accumulated.
Cheers, Craig

Re: rub rail insert

Elja Röllinghoff Balu SM 222
 

He Steve
i am intrested by the video too
Best Elja
SM Balu
#222



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Re: rub rail insert

Patrick McAneny
 

Steve, I would like to see the video,we are only six boats apart as I am #123. You could send it direct if you like , to sailw32@... ,or post it,others may be interested.
Thanks,
Pat


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Bode <Whatsup@...>
To: main <main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Feb 8, 2020 10:24 pm
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] rub rail insert

We did this job on Intention. It was not tricky...once we did it. Two man job, 45 min.
I can send you the video.

--
Steve Bode
Capt. SV Intention
Amel SM #117 (1994)
+1 415 710-6659 Mobile/Text/WhatsApp
facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco
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Re: Engine Mounts and Decoupling Vetus/Engine Block

Herbert Lackner
 

Woody,  search for "alignment" in the forum and you will find a lot of information, also what kind of mounts you need

a summary with info from Olivier:
 

in order to re-align your engine with the C-drive, you need a fixed coupling as on the pictures and drawing.

You don't need to install the shaft alternator pulley while checking alignment. 

 

Before touching the tools, make pictures and take notes (measurements of all the fittings, position of the nuts on the rubber mounts, position of the engine on the steel cradle, position of the shaft brake disc, etc...).

Start with disconnecting the hoses that could prevent you from moving the engine backwards on its cradle.

Then undo the coupling bolts and the engine steel supports' bolts (attaching the engine on the steel cradle).

Then move the engine backwards enough to remove the coupling bolts.

 

Then comes the alignment process.

AMEL uses a tool which is a steel coupling machined so that its aft side "enters" the gear-box flange (see pictures and drawing). You can also pre-install the new coupling and adjust the position of the mounts.

First bring the engine forward and make sure the coupling is centered with the gear-box flange, and can enter the gap in the flange. 

Then move the engine a little bit backwards and check that the gap between the flange and the aft side of the coupler is even all around the circumference. To adjust this, you need "thickness wedges" (used in the automotive industry) and play with the rubber mounts nuts to make the gap even.

Then bring the engine forward and tighten the bolts on the cradle and on the mounts.

 

The advantage of using the tool AMEL uses is that it is easier to install while checking the gaps.

If you need to make one, here's a drawing of the alignment tool for a YANMAR 4JH3-HTE.

The inside diameter (C-drive input shaft) is 35 mm.

The outside diameter is 100 mm.

The diameter of the part that enters the gear-box flange cylindric gap is 62.8 mm, thickness 3 mm.

 

You should use a VETUS fixed coupling for 35mm shafts, then have it machined to make the 62.8mm "plug" and drilled for the four bolts that should match the flange holes.


The process is the same for Santorins or for Super Maramus.


more info from me: 
* Amel does not sell the alignment tool, I had it made by a machine shop from Aluminium
* I would change also the C-Drive mounts when you change the engine mounts.
* Make sure that the c-drive is "open" and "sits on his rubber sleeve" before you do the engine alignment.
* I used a tool like this to lift the engine https://www.expondo.at/steinberg-systems-kettenzug-2-000-kg-3-m-10030374?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIw9i79ZrE5wIVFuDtCh07Aw33EAQYAiABEgKPs_D_BwE . the job can be done by one person

fair winds, herbert
SN120



Re: Engine Mounts and Decoupling Vetus/Engine Block

Herbert Lackner
 

attached you find the fotos of the alignment tool with the shaft alternator.  it works, - but if I would build the tool again I would make it longer.

fair winds, herbert

Re: Engine Mounts and Decoupling Vetus/Engine Block

eric freedman
 

Hi Herbert,

Being that the disk brake has a long hub on it , I believe the normal alignment tool will work. The length of the hub on the brake disk compensates for the pulley on the alternator.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Herbert Lackner
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 11:43 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Engine Mounts and Decoupling Vetus/Engine Block

 

Woody,

having the Amel shaft alternator you should make the "alignment tool" longer as you have to take away the shaft alternator pulley for doing the alignment. It works if you have the tool according to the spec that you find in the forum, but if I would do it again I would add the width of the pulley to the length of the tool, would make the alignment much easier.  the process for the alignment itself is easy, in the water or on the hard, and you find all relevant information in the forum.

I had problems to get the vetus coupling of the drive-shaft, but with a hammer, a big puller and a lot of time it worked.

herbert, SN120

Re: vetus coupling removal

eric freedman
 

Hi Michelle,

Thank you for the excellent write-up of the work on your C drive. Do you happen to have a version in English?

I could not open it to cut out portions to translate.

Thanks

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of MICHELE LUCCIOLA
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 12:26 PM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] vetus coupling removal

 

Hi Herbert,
I did this job the last year....the only suggestion I can tell you is to remove the  gearbox with the  the vetus coupling installed (just dismount the fixings on the flange on the engine); in this way you can easily remove the axle on a bench because the space to work with the engine installed is very unconfortable. In fact also if you want to use an extractor (I did one with long arms) you have to pull the engine back to have a little bit of room....anyway you have to use not gentle manners to have a good results...but is better to work on a bench that in the engine compartment...in this way you can also change the  seal of the gearbox easily once removed the little shaft.
Just for your use i attach a pdf in which there is an explanation of the job....but I prefer to put the gearbox out of the boat with the shaft attached and to do the job in a confortable and safe way...
regards
Michele

An easy way to decouple the C drive.

eric freedman
 

The first photo is how I disassembled the C drive apparatus. The Disk brake hub and the C drive are exactly the same diameter—almost a pres fit.Yours is different.

 

When you have it apart take the part that connects to a machine shop and have them remove a few thousands from the inside diameter. Being that you do not have a disk brake the tool might or might not need modification. It also might be easier to disconnect the C drive from the attached mechanisms.

 

The alignment device is a copy of the more intricate one used by Amel. It was not my design. With the disk brake the bolts holding the disk to the coupling could not be removed. I cut them off and replaced them with a piece of threaded rod and nylocks to keep the assembly tight. I just check the nuts every year , so far they are as tight as installed.

If you have any more questions please do not hesitate to contact me as I Will be changing out my engine in April and will have even more info.

The PDF was from Olivier—

 

The disk is quite ugly and rusted. When I change out my engine , I am going to have one made of stainless steel.

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io [mailto:main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io] On Behalf Of Herbert Lackner
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2020 11:43 AM
To: main@AmelYachtOwners.groups.io
Subject: Re: [AmelYachtOwners] Engine Mounts and Decoupling Vetus/Engine Block

 

Woody,

having the Amel shaft alternator you should make the "alignment tool" longer as you have to take away the shaft alternator pulley for doing the alignment. It works if you have the tool according to the spec that you find in the forum, but if I would do it again I would add the width of the pulley to the length of the tool, would make the alignment much easier.  the process for the alignment itself is easy, in the water or on the hard, and you find all relevant information in the forum.

I had problems to get the vetus coupling of the drive-shaft, but with a hammer, a big puller and a lot of time it worked.

herbert, SN120

Re: Plastic part holding most spotlights &

Nicolas Klene
 


-- Hello Ross and Donna 
unfortunately the Italian company making the spotlight have stoped making this part a while back ! Sorry not to be more helpful!
Cheers 
Nick

Nicolas Klene
DarNico
SM2K # 471
In Marseille

Re: Measure

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hi Stefano,

Maybe this helps you? The tape measure is in inches.

Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy - SM23
Opua, NZ

Re: New Wheel Leather

Steve Bode
 

Wait, here's a better shot.


--
Steve Bode
Capt. SV Intention
Amel SM #117 (1994)
+1 415 710-6659 Mobile/Text/WhatsApp
facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco
svintention.com

Re: rub rail insert

Steve Bode
 

We did this job on Intention. It was not tricky...once we did it. Two man job, 45 min.
I can send you the video.

--
Steve Bode
Capt. SV Intention
Amel SM #117 (1994)
+1 415 710-6659 Mobile/Text/WhatsApp
facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco
svintention.com

What fits a 40x52x7 TC shaft seal on a SM?

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hello all,
I'm going through lots of spare parts onboard...
Quick question if anyone knows what a 40x52x7 lip seal might fit on a SuperMaramu? Doesn't seem to match anything related to the bow thruster, C-drive, prop shaft, furling motors, electric winches, etc... unless I'm missing something.
Perhaps just a miscellaneous spare, bought in error, etc..

Thanks,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy - SM23
Opua, NZ

Re: SM Prop Shaft Seal direction and Bushing

Mike Longcor (SV Trilogy)
 

Hi Everyone, Craig and Jose especially,

I'm preparing to service the prop shaft wear bushing and seals. Curious how your seal orientations have worked out. Is the oil in the reservoir staying clean and constant level?

Any chance there is now consensus among the community or from Amel on this? I'm planning to follow the "Shaft Bushing and Seals Replacement" procedure posted by Eric and Gary.

Haven't had any problems with my C-Drive or the oil. I don't know when it was last serviced but at least 2.5 years, probably more(!). I'm curious to see how they are oriented when I take them out. I'm inclined to reinstall them the same way given the good performance.

Does anyone have any new data or current recommendations regarding these three seals?

Thanks,
Mike Longcor
SV Trilogy - SM23
Opua, NZ

Re: Adding Air Conditioning to '94 SM #117

Ian Townsend
 

You're pretty close with that figure Steve. Yes, it's a big job but not overly complicated. If I can do it, believe me, anyone can. Good luck! Feel free to PM me with any questions. 

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Bahamas

On Feb 8, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Steve Bode <Whatsup@...> wrote:

Hey, Bill & Ian!  Wow! This is great! I'm on my way. Here's my first pass at a budget, using online retailers. Figure add 20% for other items. Shipping, too. So, maybe $7,000?
Ian, how far off am I?

Parts needed & Notes        
Three Units 1370 3 4,110  
Pump     300  
Bronze fittings     50  
Hose     100  
Fiberglass work     100  
Ducting     100  
New Through-hull?     300  
Misc     100  
      5,160  
Need to build mounting plates
       
Need to run thermostat wires and mount thermostats
       
Need to check for through-hull for cooling water egress
       

Still, looks like a BIG project. 

Kind Regards,

Steve Bode
Capt. SV Intention
Amel SM #117 (1994)
+1 415 710-6659 Mobile/Text/WhatsApp
facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco
svintention.com

Re: Adding Air Conditioning to '94 SM #117

Steve Bode
 

Hey, Bill & Ian!  Wow! This is great! I'm on my way. Here's my first pass at a budget, using online retailers. Figure add 20% for other items. Shipping, too. So, maybe $7,000?
Ian, how far off am I?

Parts needed & Notes        
Three Units 1370 3 4,110  
Pump     300  
Bronze fittings     50  
Hose     100  
Fiberglass work     100  
Ducting     100  
New Through-hull?     300  
Misc     100  
      5,160  
Need to build mounting plates
       
Need to run thermostat wires and mount thermostats
       
Need to check for through-hull for cooling water egress
       

Still, looks like a BIG project. 

Kind Regards,

Steve Bode
Capt. SV Intention
Amel SM #117 (1994)
+1 415 710-6659 Mobile/Text/WhatsApp
facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco
svintention.com

Yanmar 4JH3HTE engine for sale

eric freedman
 

Hi,

I am selling my 4JH3HTE Yanmar engine late April.

It runs perfectly. There is no damage to the engine. About 6500 hours. Turbo 2 years old as are the injectors nozzles.

Burns ½ quart of oil every 24 hours of continuous running.

 

It will be in St Maarten, however I can ship it anywhere.

It will be sold without the alternators. The engine has been completely rewired.

 

If you are interested in discussing please contact me at kimberlite@...

Fair Winds

Eric

Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

 

Re: Adding Air Conditioning to '94 SM #117

 

Steve, here you go: 



CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
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On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 11:45 AM CW Bill Rouse via Groups.Io <brouse=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
  I have exactly what you need. I did not originate the file. I am asking the owner if it is ok to share and will get back to you.  

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
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On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 1:18 AM Steve Bode <Whatsup@...> wrote:
Hey, Friends,

I found a 'sponsor' who wants me to add air conditioning to Intention. Is this completely insane? I couldn't find anyone in the forum who's done it. Seems like it would be easier to buy a new boat! At first blush, it looks like I need to do the following:
- Buy three AC/Heater units, aft, cabin and forward compartments, cause the heater units that are currently installed there will be replaced
- Drill six holes in the hull and add through-hulls and valves, hose to connect the units, Do other boats pull sea water from another inlet like the toilet or something?
- what about seawater pumps? Are they needed? What about sea strainers?
- Buy 90˚ hard-plastic pipes that go on the end of the units
- buy some kinda ducting to feed the cool air into a vent somehow
- Build mounting plates and securing bolts to keep the units in place
- Figure out how to get 220v to the units
- Run control wire up to a thermostat and figure out how to mount that thing.
- Add a switch to the 220v control panel that somehow turns off all three units?!

Anyone done this? Would you recommend I fake a major injury instead of take this on?
--
Steve Bode
Capt. SV Intention
Amel SM #117 (1994)
+1 415 710-6659 Mobile/Text/WhatsApp
facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco
svintention.com

Re: Adding Air Conditioning to '94 SM #117

 

Perfect


CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
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On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 11:52 AM Ian Townsend <smlocalola@...> wrote:
Bill, it's totally fine with me to share the file I created for the AC install we did in 2017 on Loca Lola II. 

Everything continues to run well. We are very happy with the equipment choices we made. 

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Bahamas

On Feb 8, 2020, at 12:44 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

  I have exactly what you need. I did not originate the file. I am asking the owner if it is ok to share and will get back to you.  

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar
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On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 1:18 AM Steve Bode <Whatsup@...> wrote:
Hey, Friends,

I found a 'sponsor' who wants me to add air conditioning to Intention. Is this completely insane? I couldn't find anyone in the forum who's done it. Seems like it would be easier to buy a new boat! At first blush, it looks like I need to do the following:
- Buy three AC/Heater units, aft, cabin and forward compartments, cause the heater units that are currently installed there will be replaced
- Drill six holes in the hull and add through-hulls and valves, hose to connect the units, Do other boats pull sea water from another inlet like the toilet or something?
- what about seawater pumps? Are they needed? What about sea strainers?
- Buy 90˚ hard-plastic pipes that go on the end of the units
- buy some kinda ducting to feed the cool air into a vent somehow
- Build mounting plates and securing bolts to keep the units in place
- Figure out how to get 220v to the units
- Run control wire up to a thermostat and figure out how to mount that thing.
- Add a switch to the 220v control panel that somehow turns off all three units?!

Anyone done this? Would you recommend I fake a major injury instead of take this on?
--
Steve Bode
Capt. SV Intention
Amel SM #117 (1994)
+1 415 710-6659 Mobile/Text/WhatsApp
facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco
svintention.com

Re: Adding Air Conditioning to '94 SM #117

Ian Townsend
 

Bill, it's totally fine with me to share the file I created for the AC install we did in 2017 on Loca Lola II. 

Everything continues to run well. We are very happy with the equipment choices we made. 

Ian & Margaret
S/V Loca Lola II 
SM153
Bahamas

On Feb 8, 2020, at 12:44 PM, CW Bill Rouse <brouse@...> wrote:

  I have exactly what you need. I did not originate the file. I am asking the owner if it is ok to share and will get back to you.  

CW Bill Rouse Amel Owners Yacht School
Address: 720 Winnie, Galveston Island, Texas 77550 
   
View My Training Calendar
cloudHQPowered by
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On Sat, Feb 8, 2020 at 1:18 AM Steve Bode <Whatsup@...> wrote:
Hey, Friends,

I found a 'sponsor' who wants me to add air conditioning to Intention. Is this completely insane? I couldn't find anyone in the forum who's done it. Seems like it would be easier to buy a new boat! At first blush, it looks like I need to do the following:
- Buy three AC/Heater units, aft, cabin and forward compartments, cause the heater units that are currently installed there will be replaced
- Drill six holes in the hull and add through-hulls and valves, hose to connect the units, Do other boats pull sea water from another inlet like the toilet or something?
- what about seawater pumps? Are they needed? What about sea strainers?
- Buy 90˚ hard-plastic pipes that go on the end of the units
- buy some kinda ducting to feed the cool air into a vent somehow
- Build mounting plates and securing bolts to keep the units in place
- Figure out how to get 220v to the units
- Run control wire up to a thermostat and figure out how to mount that thing.
- Add a switch to the 220v control panel that somehow turns off all three units?!

Anyone done this? Would you recommend I fake a major injury instead of take this on?
--
Steve Bode
Capt. SV Intention
Amel SM #117 (1994)
+1 415 710-6659 Mobile/Text/WhatsApp
facebook.com/stevebodesanfrancisco
svintention.com