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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries

Nick Carter, Associate Broker; Jack Lingo Realtor, 302.228.NICK (6425) <nickcarter@...>
 

I am trying to determine the PHRF handicap for a 1986 Amel Mango 52' in the mid-Atlantic region for summer racing season.
Could anyone help out. 
​Thank you,

Nick Carter
Handicapper for LYC Beer Can Fleet

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:15 AM, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Thomas,
   I think that is possible because, on my SM37,  the main engine has two alternators,  one is 24v(for house batteries) and the other is 12v(for starter batteries).   On the generator there is also a 12v alternator for the same starter batteries.

I also have a 24v on the shaft but I think that is outside the topic.

The previous owners staged jumper cables to connect the 24v house bank to the 12v starter bank in emergency to start one of the motors.  They claim this is safe for short time to start motor....

Olivier might know more

Regards John

John Clark
SM 37 Vent de Soleil
Charlotte Amalie, St. THOMAS

On May 23, 2017 10:09 AM, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I was reading a Sept 2015 discussion between Bill Rouse and Colin Streeter to learn about the topic of having a 24/12DC converter (not cheap!) or a 12V/230AC charger in case the starter battery requires charging without either engines running.

So the alternators are the sole charging devices for the starter battery. But they are used to charge the house battery bank too, right? How is that achieved then, given the difference in voltage? 

Thanks in advance for shedding some light

Thomas
--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France





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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Same as John,
On the SM2K, the Volvo engine has 2 Alternators.
a 12 Volt to charge the starting battery (which will start the engine and generator)
and a 24 volt that will charge the battery bank.
The generator has a 12 volt alternator (to charge the starting battery).

Personally I carry an additional 12 volt automotive battery charger to charge a spare (not connected) starting battery (in case of lightning).
Prior every trip, I recharge the spare battery.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA



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On Tue, 5/23/17, John Clark john.biohead@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 9:15 AM


 









Hi Thomas,   I think
that is possible because, on my SM37,  the main engine has
two alternators,  one is 24v(for house batteries) and the
other is 12v(for starter batteries).   On the generator
there is also a 12v alternator for the same starter
batteries.
I also have
a 24v on the shaft but I think that is outside the
topic.
The previous
owners staged jumper cables to connect the 24v house bank to
the 12v starter bank in emergency to start one of the
motors.  They claim this is safe for short time to start
motor....
Olivier
might know more
Regards John
John ClarkSM 37 Vent de
SoleilCharlotte Amalie, St. THOMAS

On May 23, 2017 10:09 AM,
"SV Garulfo svgarulfo@gmail.com
[amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:















 









Hi all,
I
was reading a Sept 2015 discussion between Bill Rouse and
Colin Streeter to learn about the topic of having a 24/12DC
converter (not cheap!) or a 12V/230AC charger in case the
starter battery requires charging without either engines
running.
So the
alternators are the sole charging devices for the starter
battery. But they are used to charge the house battery bank
too, right? How is that achieved then, given the difference
in voltage? 
Thanks
in advance for shedding some light
Thomas--

GARULFOAmel 54 #122
Cap
d'Agde, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Alex,

Do you push the furler switch forward to fuel as the graphic on the control indicates?


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 23, 2017 9:34 AM, "Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hello John,

Mine is on the Starboard side.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA

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On Tue, 5/23/17, johnabo2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 9:12 AM


 









Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that
has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original
sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel
Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the
suncover is on the genoa.



Thanks

John Abercombie

SM391




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The main engine has two alternators...one for the starter battery at 12VDC and one for house batteries at 24VDC. The generator has one alternator at 12VDC for the starter battery and also will power 230VAC battery chargers that charge the house batteries at 24VDC. 

Does this answer your question?


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 23, 2017 9:09 AM, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I was reading a Sept 2015 discussion between Bill Rouse and Colin Streeter to learn about the topic of having a 24/12DC converter (not cheap!) or a 12V/230AC charger in case the starter battery requires charging without either engines running.

So the alternators are the sole charging devices for the starter battery. But they are used to charge the house battery bank too, right? How is that achieved then, given the difference in voltage? 

Thanks in advance for shedding some light

Thomas
--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Hello John,

Mine is on the Starboard side.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA




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On Tue, 5/23/17, johnabo2003 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2017, 9:12 AM


 









Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that
has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original
sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel
Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the
suncover is on the genoa.



Thanks

John Abercombie

SM391


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Also, any furler that furls the sail clockwise would need port side UV protection. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 23, 2017 09:29, "Bill & Judy Rouse" <yahoogroups@...> wrote:
Yes, port side is original. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 23, 2017 09:12, "johnabo2003" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the suncover is on the genoa.

Thanks
John Abercombie
SM391


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries

Sv Garulfo
 


Ok thanks it makes sense! I suppose the same setup exists on A54?

I realise my auto signature didn't work, apologies. 

Thomas 
Garulfo 
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France




On Tue, 23 May 2017 at 15:16, John Clark john.biohead@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi Thomas,
   I think that is possible because, on my SM37,  the main engine has two alternators,  one is 24v(for house batteries) and the other is 12v(for starter batteries).   On the generator there is also a 12v alternator for the same starter batteries.

I also have a 24v on the shaft but I think that is outside the topic.

The previous owners staged jumper cables to connect the 24v house bank to the 12v starter bank in emergency to start one of the motors.  They claim this is safe for short time to start motor....

Olivier might know more

Regards John

John Clark
SM 37 Vent de Soleil
Charlotte Amalie, St. THOMAS



On May 23, 2017 10:09 AM, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I was reading a Sept 2015 discussion between Bill Rouse and Colin Streeter to learn about the topic of having a 24/12DC converter (not cheap!) or a 12V/230AC charger in case the starter battery requires charging without either engines running.

So the alternators are the sole charging devices for the starter battery. But they are used to charge the house battery bank too, right? How is that achieved then, given the difference in voltage? 

Thanks in advance for shedding some light

Thomas
--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

Yes, port side is original. 


CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
Amel School www.amelschool.com
720 Winnie St
Galveston Island, TX 77550
+1(832) 380-4970

   

On May 23, 2017 09:12, "johnabo2003" <no_reply@...> wrote:
 

Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the suncover is on the genoa.

Thanks
John Abercombie
SM391


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

Mark Erdos
 

The genoa sun cover on Cream Puff is on the starboard side. This is concurrent with the furling arrows on the control panel regarding which way to wrap the sail. The sail furls when the foil is rotated anti-clockwise.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Vessel - Cream Puff - SM2K - #275

Currenlty cruising – Puerto Rico

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...] On Behalf Of johnabo2003
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:12 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Dispute with sailmaker

 

 

Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the suncover is on the genoa.

Thanks
John Abercombie
SM391


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Alternators and house batteries

John Clark
 

Hi Thomas,
   I think that is possible because, on my SM37,  the main engine has two alternators,  one is 24v(for house batteries) and the other is 12v(for starter batteries).   On the generator there is also a 12v alternator for the same starter batteries.

I also have a 24v on the shaft but I think that is outside the topic.

The previous owners staged jumper cables to connect the 24v house bank to the 12v starter bank in emergency to start one of the motors.  They claim this is safe for short time to start motor....

Olivier might know more

Regards John

John Clark
SM 37 Vent de Soleil
Charlotte Amalie, St. THOMAS

On May 23, 2017 10:09 AM, "SV Garulfo svgarulfo@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,

I was reading a Sept 2015 discussion between Bill Rouse and Colin Streeter to learn about the topic of having a 24/12DC converter (not cheap!) or a 12V/230AC charger in case the starter battery requires charging without either engines running.

So the alternators are the sole charging devices for the starter battery. But they are used to charge the house battery bank too, right? How is that achieved then, given the difference in voltage? 

Thanks in advance for shedding some light

Thomas
--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France



Dispute with sailmaker

johnabo2003 <no_reply@...>
 

Ii have received a new genoa from a sailmaker that has suncover on the starboard side of the sail, the original sail from Amel had it on the port side. Could any other Amel Super Maramu owners out there please confirm what side the suncover is on the genoa.

Thanks
John Abercombie
SM391


Alternators and house batteries

Sv Garulfo
 

Hi all,

I was reading a Sept 2015 discussion between Bill Rouse and Colin Streeter to learn about the topic of having a 24/12DC converter (not cheap!) or a 12V/230AC charger in case the starter battery requires charging without either engines running.

So the alternators are the sole charging devices for the starter battery. But they are used to charge the house battery bank too, right? How is that achieved then, given the difference in voltage? 

Thanks in advance for shedding some light

Thomas
--
GARULFO
Amel 54 #122
Cap d'Agde, France


PHRF

Nick Carter, Associate Broker; Jack Lingo Realtor, 302.228.NICK (6425) <nickcarter@...>
 

What is an appropriate PHRF rating for a 1986 Amel Mango 52'....??  Thank you.


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Salvage 1989 Maramu Announcement

christian alby <calbyy@...>
 

sorry to hear about the (promised ?) demise of your boat.
happens in winter, (3 major fires in french ports since Nov-2016)  boats left with mains line feeding boat & boat left unattended.
So as port masters issued notice that boats left unattended (nobody on board or no regular Watch provided) are disconnected from shore supply after 48 hrs ...

Several Maramu's advertised now in Western Mediterranean, going at an average of 80 KEuros asking price (count on minor 10 K ? work to be done).
a few are sold at lower prices (60 to 70 K) but call for more work as left abandonned by ageing owners, not sailing any longer, calling for too high a price for 'would be round the globe sailors', & still paying port charges & insurance yearly.

hope you find buyers for you boat & get back on the water soon

christian alby - Désirade VIII - Maramu 116 now in Canet Roussillon






De : "rossny@... [amelyachtowners]"
À : amelyachtowners@...
Envoyé le : Lundi 22 mai 2017 20h59
Objet : [Amel Yacht Owners] Salvage 1989 Maramu Announcement

 
Hi All,
My non-repairable fire damaged Maramu is now being auctioned off to the highest bidder by the insurance company. If you need everything but the (damaged) hull including a new 75HP Yanmar, all rigging except the parts that were toasted, spars with rebuilt furling motors, new electric panels and a mile of new wire and lots of spares then this might be for you. Ask Joel if the parts on this 1989 will fit on your boat. The salvage company's website is www.certifiedsales.com and they have a way to bid online. I am posting this in hope that a Maramu owner will be able to use the parts and then sell the hull as a liveaboard or destroy it and make the boat unattractive to someone who will do the cosmetic repair and sell the boat to a new sailor who will get injured or die when the rig fails. 
Working hard to make enough to buy a new (TO ME) Maramu!
Best Regards,
Ross in NY
former Amel owner...



Re: Emergency tiller hole

greatketch@...
 

Yes, we have had that problem.  Water leaking in past the cap on the emergency tiller opening.

I did the simple fix first, I put a good dose of silicon grease on the o-ring.   On a first pass, that worked.  

We do have some cracks in the gel-coat in the opening that will need to be patched for a permeant cure for this problem. 

Bill Kinney
SM160 Harmonie
Virgin Gorda, BIV


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain counter

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Thanks Alexandre,


Your step by step guides are invaluable.


Fair winds,


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Genoa


From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 22 May 2017 17:48:03
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain counter
 
Good afternoon Ian,
Mine was also doing that, don’t know why, I changed it and all good now.
On http://nikimat.com/lofrans_tigres_windlass_overhaul.html
you can look at Part 12 (removing Chai Counter Eye or sensor)
Also look Parts 22, 23 and 28.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Island Water World Marina, Sint Maarten, NA




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On Mon, 5/22/17, Ian & Judy ianjudyjenkins@... [amelyachtowners] wrote:

 Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain counter
 To: "amelyachtowners@..."
 Date: Monday, May 22, 2017, 12:09 PM
 
 
  
 
 
 
  
 
 
    
      
      
      
 
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 
 
 We have our original Amel chain counter which has done
 great service over 17 years. For no apparent reason it has
 started to count even though we are now in a marina and the
 winch is not in use.
  When turning the winch it does seem to count the turns
 still.
   I have cleaned both the button on the winch and the
 front surface of the light sender but to no avail.
  Pressing the Z does zero the counter but off it goes
 again.
 
 
 
 Any clues ? Is this likely to be the counter on the winch
 or the display unit in the cockpit ?
 
 
 
 Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302, Genoa
 
 
 


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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain counter

ianjenkins1946 <ianjudyjenkins@hotmail.com>
 

Bill,


 Thank you so much.  Talk about an instant reply !How lucky we all are to have access to your knowledge and enthusiasm.


Fair winds,


Ian and Judy, Pen Azen, SM 302 Genoa




From: amelyachtowners@... on behalf of 'Bill & Judy Rouse' yahoogroups@... [amelyachtowners]
Sent: 22 May 2017 17:54:08
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain counter
 
The cause is most likely that the chain counter sensor needs replacing. You will need an IB5076 Chain Counter Sensor made by IFM Electronic http://www.ifm.com/




Unfortunately, you probably cannot find an IB5076, but can find an IB5124 which is identical to the original except it is a two wire unit that has wire terminals rather than a cable for connection. I have successfully installed an IB5124 instead of the IB5076 leaving 1 or the 3 wires disconnected. I left the brown wire disconnected and it works perfectly.   

The original 3 wires were brown, black and blue. To install the 2 wire sensor:
1. Cap off the brown and do not use.
2. Connect the blue (negative) wire to terminal labeled 2/4 
3. Connect the black (pos) wire to the terminal marked 1/3. 
4. Secure all with a couple of spots of silicone 

Note: The clearance between the "button" on the rope sheave and the IB5124 should be about 8-10 mm

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
720 Winnie Street
Galveston Island, Texas 77550 USA


Salvage 1989 Maramu Announcement

rossny@mail.com
 

Hi All,

My non-repairable fire damaged Maramu is now being auctioned off to the highest bidder by the insurance company. If you need everything but the (damaged) hull including a new 75HP Yanmar, all rigging except the parts that were toasted, spars with rebuilt furling motors, new electric panels and a mile of new wire and lots of spares then this might be for you. Ask Joel if the parts on this 1989 will fit on your boat. The salvage company's website is www.certifiedsales.com and they have a way to bid online. I am posting this in hope that a Maramu owner will be able to use the parts and then sell the hull as a liveaboard or destroy it and make the boat unattractive to someone who will do the cosmetic repair and sell the boat to a new sailor who will get injured or die when the rig fails. 

Working hard to make enough to buy a new (TO ME) Maramu!

Best Regards,

Ross in NY

former Amel owner...


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Chain counter

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

The cause is most likely that the chain counter sensor needs replacing. You will need an IB5076 Chain Counter Sensor made by IFM Electronic http://www.ifm.com/




Unfortunately, you probably cannot find an IB5076, but can find an IB5124 which is identical to the original except it is a two wire unit that has wire terminals rather than a cable for connection. I have successfully installed an IB5124 instead of the IB5076 leaving 1 or the 3 wires disconnected. I left the brown wire disconnected and it works perfectly.   

The original 3 wires were brown, black and blue. To install the 2 wire sensor:
1. Cap off the brown and do not use.
2. Connect the blue (negative) wire to terminal labeled 2/4 
3. Connect the black (pos) wire to the terminal marked 1/3. 
4. Secure all with a couple of spots of silicone 

Note: The clearance between the "button" on the rope sheave and the IB5124 should be about 8-10 mm

Best,

CW Bill Rouse
Admiral, Texas Navy
Commander Emeritus
720 Winnie Street
Galveston Island, Texas 77550 USA


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Canopy top & Cockpit protection

Alex Ramseyer <alexramseyer@...>
 

Dear Steve,
thanks for your answer. If I make it to Trinidad, I'll check out Sean and what he has to offer for my boat.
I plan to stay in Grenada for the HS, visiting Trinidad will also depend on reports from other cruisers in regards to the picracy threat on the way down..
Cheers, Alex
SY NOSTRESS
St. Martin


On Friday, May 12, 2017 5:15 PM, "Stephen Davis flyboyscd@... [amelyachtowners]" wrote:


 
Hello Alex,

I believe the boat you are referring to is ours, as we were in the Island Water World marina for March and April, and not with the boat for part of the time. We had our canvas done by Superb Canvas in Trinidad last June. They have there shop in the Powerboats yard next to Peakes. The owner of the company is Sean, and it's a family operation with his wife, mother and kids working there as well. We completely redesigned all of our cockpit canvas, and I found them easy to work with, and the work was well above average. The price was about the same as anyone else in the area. 

Let me know if You need any other information. 

Best Regards,

Steve and Liz Davis
Aloha SM72
Bonaire

On May 12, 2017, at 15:36, Alex Ramseyer alexramseyer@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 
Dear AMEL community,
I'm looking for a new canopy top, and cockpit protection. I've seen one in St. Martin on another AMEL that seemed to have two layers for the cockpit, one against Mosquitos and a second one against rain. It looked really nice, but I couldn't ask the owner while I was at the Island World Marina because he left his boat during my stay. However, I heard from another AMEL owner that he had someone in Trinidad doing that job. If you know who I may contact in Trinidad (as I plan to do down to Grenada for the HS anyway), I'd really appreciate the information.
Fair winds,
Alex Ramseyer
SY NO STRESS
AMEL54, #15