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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Main, Genoa furlet Grease

Ben and Gayle Super Maramu #347
 

In keeping with protocol I'm posting results of my main furler issue - which turned out not to be an issue.  The screeching sound - which was more a squeaking (really not that bad) was the aluminum foil in the mast  squeaking because the main had slipped down -  maybe a stretched halyard  and/or not tight enough to begin - and was binding in the narrow part of the mast slot. Also the foot of the main was catching on the outhaul gear-head on top of the boom.  All this created a massive amount of friction.  

Also - sometimes but not always - the furling motor would stop.  But a few minutes later would work.  The issue was old worn-out batteries which were exhausted after several hours of autopilot, winches, and furler use (Main furler plus outhaul pulls over 45 amps!).  I knew batteries were near life's end but tried to get another season.  Bad judgement on my part.  Eventually they went flat in a busy marina when I was using the thruster.  

Fix was simple:  1) a new set of Trojan 31 XHS 130 AH batteries; 2) Then unfurling the main and tightening the halyard to properly position main about 2-3 inches higher which allowed a neat wrinkle-free furl of main into mast.

Even though no issues with gear box, I do intend to install grease fittings in all the gear boxes; it seems good preventative maintenance. 


Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347



Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 27, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Ben Driver/YAHOO <joedoakes66@...> wrote:

Thanks Eric.  Had not considered the  outhaul shaft before.  Good advise.  

Ben Driver
La Bella Vita
SM #347

On Nov 26, 2016, at 2:37 PM, 'sailormon' kimberlite@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Ben,

I installed small nylon bolts on each gearbox and the Main furler and outhaul .

On the gearboxes I drilled and tapped them on either sided.

One high and one low. I pump grease into the gearbox on the low side and when it comes out clean I stop.

I use the grease gun adapter for the Autoprop to insert the grease.

I chose the small nylon bolts over the grease nipples as I could see the grease flowing out of the gearbox , and in addition I do not have any corrosion problems.

 

With the genoa the holes are on the same side (port)  and if you look at a drawing of the gearbox you will see

Where to put the holes. I do this twice yearly.

 

In addition I remove the outhaul shaft and coat it with high temperature waterproof Neva-Seize grease.

I do this twice yearly.

The outhaul shaft is especially important as if it gets stuck it is a royal pain to get out.

I also sanded down the outhaul key on the shaft a few thousands of an inch.

Fair Winds

Eric

Kimberlite Amel Super Maramu #376

 

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2016 3:00 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 

 

Hi Ben,

soon after we bought Ocean Pearl (8 years old) we had horrible screeching from the furler. Anyone in the cabin when it was activated jumped in fright at the noise. I investigated and found the grease in the gearbox had gone hard and was at the peripheries and not on the gears. Like you I found no lubrication system. I pioneered putting grease nipples in the side of all three furler gearboxes, main furler, outhaul and genoa furler. This can be done in situ with care. I put grease nipples in. Others have put removable plugs. Either works and I regularly add a few pumps of grease. End of problem. I did a post at the time with details and photos.

If you want details of how to do it in situ let me know and I will give details. It is not difficult. However some time it would pay to dismantle the gearbox to remove the old grease. Another furler noise problem. I had high pitched noise this year from the genoa furler. I had the fore stay down for another reason and took the opportunity to recoat the forestay liberally with grease ala Amel. No more noise. So simple. I used a full grease cartridge. Logically we should expect to do this periodically as the grease will not last forever.

Regards

Danny

SM 299 Ocean Pearl

 


From: amelliahona <no_reply@...>
To: amelyachtowners@...
Sent: Saturday, 26 November 2016 4:16 AM
Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Re: Potential Main furler problem

 

 

Hi Ben:  

 

When my SM #335  was 2 years old (now 13 years ago), my main sail furling gearbox did the same thing.  It turned out to be a broken shaft on the motor.  I can only assume that misalignment caused flexing loads on the shaft and it broke cleaning through.  The rough ends of the shaft inter-digitated enough that the drive still worked but a a slower than usual speed and with loud metal-on-metal screeching.  I wasn't there for the replacement as I was in Ft. Lauderdale at the the time but Joel's maintenance tech at the time, Ray Eaton  who is now deceased, took care of the replacement motor for me.  I recall that he said it was the first time he had seen that failure mode.  

 

Wish you all the best Ben. 

 

Sincerely, 

 

Gary S. Silver

s/v Liahona,  Amel SM #335   July 1, 2001,  Puerto Del Rey Marina , Puerto Rico

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction from Utah

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Chuck

Everything already said here is 100% correct in our opinion. Island Pearl II is our 7th cruising sail boat, so we have tried many, including both smaller and shallower draft yachts. We also did a lot of chartering and generally picked large cats for that as we often took family or friends along and generally chartered in reasonably safe waters, but we certainly wouldn't want one for ocean crossings (just our opinion/preference). Your questions were exactly the same ones we had before purchasing an Amel Super Maramu 2000, and none of them have ever turned out to be an issue for us since.

Recently I assisted a friend sail his newly aqcuired Amel Santorin from Brisbane to Auckland which tends to be a pretty rough upwind passage. I have to say that I was also impressed with the Santorin's capability on a tough passage. She was certainly up to the task and just a little shorter and shallower draft, and obviously missing the things you pay extra for in the SM such as the generator, washer dryer, dishwasher, larger galley storage etc.etc.., but a wonderful boat if you wanted to go a bit smaller and did not need/want the extra luxuries and space, definitely the best 46ft I've ever sailed for sure.

We couldn't be happier with anything else. Also a point not made yet is the tremendous support from this group. We never feel alone when facing any maintenance and/or upgrade decisions. This is a fantastic group of like minded sailors who care about their boats and are always share experiences and advice.

With the Amel brand not supported/sold in Australia before 2015, we often worried about where we would get repairs, parts, servicing etc done in Australia. However since Captain Henry Amel was so pedantic about making each of these high quality ocean boats all precisely the same, even down to the odd colour curtains etc., and would never entertain any level of customization for anyone, regardless of what amount was offered, we have all ended up in a really great position where, if ever you have a problem or thought of upgrading something further, there will always be 10 or more others out there in this group who have actually already experienced/done that. With our previous brands, although all but one were sold new in Australia, none of them had anywhere near the same level of comprehensive support as from this group.

Good luck with your search and we hope to see you on the water in an Amel some day. Like us we suspect you will never regret it.

Colin & Lauren Streeter
Island Pearl II, Amel 53 #332
Brisbane


On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 4:48 AM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 


Dear Chuck,

Sorry, been busy with business related issue (almost done), so just going to echo what Mark wrote so that you have more feedback, sorry not to elaborate.

90% of the time I single hand and no issue. Even having a tendency to reef a little too late, always good.
Sure the wind will either be your friend or opponent when docking solo.

Never though it is too big.

Because of my work, I stay in marinas, I usually pay around $600/month (there was exceptions), will be happy to share which price and where I paid.

Sure the larger the vessel the more expensive will be the maintenance.
Standing or running rigging on the SM will be more than on the Santorin and Maramu

I spent 15 months in the Bahamas and draft was limiting, but not an issue.
In Grand Bahama I had to wait to be between low and mid tide to enter, no issue in the Berry, Nassau, Exumas, Turks & Caicos, etc.
but I decided to skip the Abacos because of the draft.

If I had to do it again, I would pick a newer SM2K, they have more batteries capacity, etc.

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

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On Fri, 1/13/17, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction from Utah
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 13, 2017, 12:22 PM




 

















Hi Chuck,

 

I have sailed our Amel single
handedly many times. People such as Kent and Alexandre can
speak to this better
than I, but I think the Amel is a breeze for a solo sailor.
One of the reasons
we purchased an Amel is either one of us can reef sails
single handedly and never
leave the cockpit. This is a huge safety factor when at sea.
I can sleep knowing
Cindy is safe in the cockpit and can adjust sails as needed.
This was also a
big comfort factor for her when considering which boat to
purchase. I would challenge
you to look at other designs of boats and ask yourself, how
easy is it for one
person to reef? In many cases, it is not
possible.

 

I have never thought our Amel
was too big. If fact, we think the opposite. Amel is so well
designed we do not
feel it is big at all. Some marinas and moorings in the USA
charge extra for
boats over 50'. We just say "see ya" and stay
elsewhere. We have
never been at a loss for a place to stay. For the most part,
businesses are
willing to take our money. You have probably noticed the
draft and mast height
are not Intracoastal friendly. But, if you want to travel
the eastern Intracoastal
Waterway buy a power boat (you are going to have to motor
the entire way anyway).
We have sailed eastern US and went outside. It is easier,
faster and in my
opinion much safer.

 

We recently sailed the Bahamas,
an area notorious for shallow waters. When we told other
cruisers we draw about
7' they give us the "oh my" face. If you are
looking for a shallow
draft boat, buy a cat. When you draw 2' you can get into
places off limits to
mono-hulls. IMO there is not much difference between a
6' draft and a 7' draft
when sailing shallow waters. A 7' foot draft usually
means you are just going
to run aground one minute before the 6' draft. For the
most part we try to stay
in 10', or more. In our entire Bahamas cruise, there
were only two places we
opted not to enter. We thought we were deep draft in the
Bahamas until we met
someone with a 9' draft. They had been to all the placed
we visited.

 

The real question you have to
ask yourself, is do you want a safe proven blue water
cruising boat, or
something else. We opted to purchase a boat that we knew
would take us anywhere
in the world with comfort and safety. If you start making
sacrifices such as
less draft or lower mast height, you are giving up some of
the characteristics
that make Amels awesome blue water cruisers.

 

 



With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Yacht: Cream Puff

SM2K #275 - Currently cruising:
Key West, FL (stuck
waiting for weather!)

 

 

 

www.creampuff.us



 





From:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 11:59 AM

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction from
Utah





 

 







Hi All,



Thanks for taking the time
to respond in detail it helps
tremendously! Two quick questions. I have read of Monsieur
Amel's vision
regarding his design and light handed sailing. Have you ever
said to yourself
"This craft is too large for us" if so in what
aspect. Sailing,
maintenance, housekeeping, storage-haul out, slip fees. One
other question.
Have you ever said "I wish I had a shallower
draft". Has the draft of
the SM kept you away of spoiled your days? Do you have
regrets with either of
these. Do you just deal with it, embrace it or indifferent.
I know these are
basic questions but this will be our largest and deepest
draft boat to date.





 





Best Regards,





Chuck





 








--
Colin Streeter
0411 016 445


forum/email goof

John Clark
 

Hi All,

  I wish to apologize for "not" responding to several posts recently.  I had a misunderstanding about how the forum interacts with email, so responses I sent via email to the forum were not always posting.  Bill Rouse got me sorted out now.    Thanks Bill!  


So it does not happen to anyone else, what my email program was doing was "receiving" forum notices in my Yahoo email account and sending replies back to the forum via my gmail account which was not registered to the forum.   This caused the replies to not post to the forum.    


 I'll review what I thought I sent and see what is still relevant and resend as appropriate.


       Regards,  John


John Clark

Vent de Soleil,  SM 37

Martinique




Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replace shackle on main outhaul car SM 2003

Mohammad Shirloo
 

Hi Alexander;

 

Great pictures and documentation. Very useful, thank you.

 

Respectfully;


Mohammad and Aty

Amel 54 #099

B&B Kokomo

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] whereabouts

karkauai
 

Hi Colin!  Don't ask me...that's above my pay grade. I've always had a yard do the heavy lifting.

Craig is the master...he's repowered Sangaris on his own, and replaced all his standing rigging, and repainted her bottom  by leaning Sangaris against a wall in a ?20ft tidal basin, and...

I'm in awe!
Kent

On Jan 13, 2017, at 6:44 PM, SV Island Pearl II colin.d.streeter@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Hi Craig/ Kent

With all that experience and such swift engine removal I was just wondering for future reference, ahead of cruising off myself finally and in case I ever need to do it, how do you lift your engine out?

Do you use the boom and which halyard and winch? Is it strong enough? Any tips for the group?

Thanks for sharing this Craig and Kent.

Colin Streeter, Island Pearl II
Amel 53 #332, Brisbane 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] whereabouts

Colin - ex SV Island Pearl
 

Hi Craig/ Kent

With all that experience and such swift engine removal I was just wondering for future reference, ahead of cruising off myself finally and in case I ever need to do it, how do you lift your engine out?

Do you use the boom and which halyard and winch? Is it strong enough? Any tips for the group?

Thanks for sharing this Craig and Kent.

Colin Streeter, Island Pearl II
Amel 53 #332, Brisbane 


On 14 Jan 2017 3:49 AM, "Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

Now you guys and gals can see why I learned so much from Craig on that maiden voyage.  Read back through his posts and see just how resourceful and capable he is.

But...like me, he doesn't get it perfect every time...hmmm, maybe that's why the 50-90 rule works for me, my mentor showed me how to do things!

Glad you got it done Craig!

Kent


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replace shackle on main outhaul car SM 2003

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

from memory, I don't think you can because of nuts holding the 6 mm bolts, but I could be wrong!

That was an easy one!

Hope you are doing ok Kent!

Alexandre



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On Fri, 1/13/17, Kent Robertson karkauai@yahoo.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replace shackle on main outhaul car SM 2003
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 13, 2017, 3:25 PM


 









Nice, Alex!  If (when) I have to do this,
I will look again.  So it looks like you
could change the shackle without removing the car
from the track?
Thanks for all the nice
pictured instructions!  You're hired!Kent

Kent RobertsonS/V
Kristy
karkauai@yahoo.comPanama
cell: +507-61171896USA cell:
828-234-6819
On Jan 13,
2017, at 3:35 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@rocketmail.com
[amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
















 








Here it is John:



http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car.html

http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car_rebuild.html



Sincerely, Alexandre

SM2K #289 NIKIMAT

Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI



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On Fri, 1/13/17, johnabo2003 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replace shackle on main outhaul
car SM 2003

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Date: Friday, January 13, 2017, 2:22 PM





 



















The shackle on the outhaul has developed the well

known crack in the welded bar. Can I remove the pin that

holds the shackle in place whilst the car is still on
the

boom or do I have to remove it using the Amel provided
short

piece of track.

ThanksJohn SM #391



















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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replace shackle on main outhaul car SM 2003

Germain Jean-Pierre <jgermain@...>
 

Hi gang,

For what it is worth, I have removed many shackles and replaced them with Dyneema soft shackles. The noise is reduced and it feels like tacks are softer… maybe just my delusional self!

GL to all.


Jean-Pierre Germain,
SY Eleuthera, SM 007
Marina Bas du Fort Guadeloupe.



On 13 Jan 2017, at 17:25, Kent Robertson karkauai@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Nice, Alex!  If (when) I have to do this, I will look again.  So it looks like you could change the shackle without removing the car from the track?

Thanks for all the nice pictured instructions!  You're hired!
Kent

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
Panama cell: +507-61171896
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jan 13, 2017, at 3:35 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Here it is John:

http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car.html
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car_rebuild.html

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 1/13/17, johnabo2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replace shackle on main outhaul car SM 2003
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, January 13, 2017, 2:22 PM


 









The shackle on the outhaul has developed the well
known crack in the welded bar. Can I remove the pin that
holds the shackle in place whilst the car is still on the
boom or do I have to remove it using the Amel provided short
piece of track.
ThanksJohn SM #391









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replace shackle on main outhaul car SM 2003

karkauai
 

Nice, Alex!  If (when) I have to do this, I will look again.  So it looks like you could change the shackle without removing the car from the track?

Thanks for all the nice pictured instructions!  You're hired!
Kent

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
Panama cell: +507-61171896
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jan 13, 2017, at 3:35 PM, Alexandre Uster von Baar uster@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 


Here it is John:

http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car.html
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car_rebuild.html

Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 1/13/17, johnabo2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replace shackle on main outhaul car SM 2003
To: amelyachtowners@...
Date: Friday, January 13, 2017, 2:22 PM


 









The shackle on the outhaul has developed the well
known crack in the welded bar. Can I remove the pin that
holds the shackle in place whilst the car is still on the
boom or do I have to remove it using the Amel provided short
piece of track.
ThanksJohn SM #391









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replace shackle on main outhaul car SM 2003

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Here it is John:


http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car.html
http://nikimat.com/boom_extension_car_rebuild.html


Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI



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On Fri, 1/13/17, johnabo2003 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [Amel Yacht Owners] Replace shackle on main outhaul car SM 2003
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 13, 2017, 2:22 PM


 









The shackle on the outhaul has developed the well
known crack in the welded bar. Can I remove the pin that
holds the shackle in place whilst the car is still on the
boom or do I have to remove it using the Amel provided short
piece of track.
ThanksJohn SM #391









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Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Top Ten for why the electric motor won't work?

Bill & Judy Rouse <yahoogroups@...>
 

99.9% of the time, I bump the W/m breaker on the engine room bulkhead or another one of them when working in that area.

Bill Rouse
BeBe Amel 53 #387
Sent from my tablet
+1832-380-4970 USA Voice Mail


On Jan 13, 2017 11:12 AM, "sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners]" <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:
 

After replacing the sprague bearings on the Cat Pump for our Duo 60 Dessalator, now the 24 volt motor won't run (it's always something isn't it?).  I'm going to take off all the connections and shine them up, but they look fine to me now; no rust or other gunk visible.  It ran fine up to the time of taking the belt off.  We even ran it without the belt momentarily to confirm the direction of rotation for the one-way bearing and it was fine.  I d on't see a fuse at the motor anywhere.  There is a "box" attached to the motor that the red battery wire connects to that I suppose is connected to the control panel "24V" switch to start it.  


So, would anyone like to suggest things to check?


1.  Power to the motor with the switch "on".  

2.  Clean the connections.

3.  ???


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Top Ten for why the electric motor won't work?

karkauai
 

It was on top of the motor attached by two sheet metal screws

Kent Robertson
S/V Kristy
Panama cell: +507-61171896
USA cell: 828-234-6819

On Jan 13, 2017, at 1:37 PM, sailor63109@... [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@...> wrote:

 

Thanks for the reply Kent.  I'll check the start solenoid, is it attached to the motor in view or was it in a box attached to the motor?


Yep, the 24V breaker on the engine room fwd blkhd was on.

Duane


Replace shackle on main outhaul car SM 2003

johnabo2003 <no_reply@...>
 

The shackle on the outhaul has developed the well known crack in the welded bar. Can I remove the pin that holds the shackle in place whilst the car is still on the boom or do I have to remove it using the Amel provided short piece of track.

Thanks
John SM #391


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction from Utah

Alexandre Uster von Baar
 

Dear Chuck,

Sorry, been busy with business related issue (almost done), so just going to echo what Mark wrote so that you have more feedback, sorry not to elaborate.

90% of the time I single hand and no issue. Even having a tendency to reef a little too late, always good.
Sure the wind will either be your friend or opponent when docking solo.

Never though it is too big.

Because of my work, I stay in marinas, I usually pay around $600/month (there was exceptions), will be happy to share which price and where I paid.

Sure the larger the vessel the more expensive will be the maintenance.
Standing or running rigging on the SM will be more than on the Santorin and Maramu

I spent 15 months in the Bahamas and draft was limiting, but not an issue.
In Grand Bahama I had to wait to be between low and mid tide to enter, no issue in the Berry, Nassau, Exumas, Turks & Caicos, etc.
but I decided to skip the Abacos because of the draft.

If I had to do it again, I would pick a newer SM2K, they have more batteries capacity, etc.


Sincerely, Alexandre
SM2K #289 NIKIMAT
Harbor View Marina, Tortola, BVI


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On Fri, 1/13/17, 'Mark Erdos' mcerdos@gmail.com [amelyachtowners] <amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction from Utah
To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 13, 2017, 12:22 PM


 

















Hi Chuck,

 

I have sailed our Amel single
handedly many times. People such as Kent and Alexandre can
speak to this better
than I, but I think the Amel is a breeze for a solo sailor.
One of the reasons
we purchased an Amel is either one of us can reef sails
single handedly and never
leave the cockpit. This is a huge safety factor when at sea.
I can sleep knowing
Cindy is safe in the cockpit and can adjust sails as needed.
This was also a
big comfort factor for her when considering which boat to
purchase. I would challenge
you to look at other designs of boats and ask yourself, how
easy is it for one
person to reef? In many cases, it is not
possible.

 

I have never thought our Amel
was too big. If fact, we think the opposite. Amel is so well
designed we do not
feel it is big at all. Some marinas and moorings in the USA
charge extra for
boats over 50'. We just say "see ya" and stay
elsewhere. We have
never been at a loss for a place to stay. For the most part,
businesses are
willing to take our money. You have probably noticed the
draft and mast height
are not Intracoastal friendly. But, if you want to travel
the eastern Intracoastal
Waterway buy a power boat (you are going to have to motor
the entire way anyway).
We have sailed eastern US and went outside. It is easier,
faster and in my
opinion much safer.

 

We recently sailed the Bahamas,
an area notorious for shallow waters. When we told other
cruisers we draw about
7' they give us the "oh my" face. If you are
looking for a shallow
draft boat, buy a cat. When you draw 2' you can get into
places off limits to
mono-hulls. IMO there is not much difference between a
6' draft and a 7' draft
when sailing shallow waters. A 7' foot draft usually
means you are just going
to run aground one minute before the 6' draft. For the
most part we try to stay
in 10', or more. In our entire Bahamas cruise, there
were only two places we
opted not to enter. We thought we were deep draft in the
Bahamas until we met
someone with a 9' draft. They had been to all the placed
we visited.

 

The real question you have to
ask yourself, is do you want a safe proven blue water
cruising boat, or
something else. We opted to purchase a boat that we knew
would take us anywhere
in the world with comfort and safety. If you start making
sacrifices such as
less draft or lower mast height, you are giving up some of
the characteristics
that make Amels awesome blue water cruisers.

 

 



With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Yacht: Cream Puff

SM2K #275 - Currently cruising:
Key West, FL (stuck
waiting for weather!)

 

 

 

www.creampuff.us



 





From:
amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com]

Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 11:59 AM

To: amelyachtowners@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction from
Utah





 

 







Hi All,



Thanks for taking the time
to respond in detail it helps
tremendously! Two quick questions. I have read of Monsieur
Amel's vision
regarding his design and light handed sailing. Have you ever
said to yourself
"This craft is too large for us" if so in what
aspect. Sailing,
maintenance, housekeeping, storage-haul out, slip fees. One
other question.
Have you ever said "I wish I had a shallower
draft". Has the draft of
the SM kept you away of spoiled your days? Do you have
regrets with either of
these. Do you just deal with it, embrace it or indifferent.
I know these are
basic questions but this will be our largest and deepest
draft boat to date.





 





Best Regards,





Chuck


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Top Ten for why the electric motor won't work?

Duane Siegfri
 

Thanks for the reply Kent.  I'll check the start solenoid, is it attached to the motor in view or was it in a box attached to the motor?

Yep, the 24V breaker on the engine room fwd blkhd was on.

Duane


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction from Utah

Mark Erdos
 

Hi Chuck,

 

I have sailed our Amel single handedly many times. People such as Kent and Alexandre can speak to this better than I, but I think the Amel is a breeze for a solo sailor. One of the reasons we purchased an Amel is either one of us can reef sails single handedly and never leave the cockpit. This is a huge safety factor when at sea. I can sleep knowing Cindy is safe in the cockpit and can adjust sails as needed. This was also a big comfort factor for her when considering which boat to purchase. I would challenge you to look at other designs of boats and ask yourself, how easy is it for one person to reef? In many cases, it is not possible.

 

I have never thought our Amel was too big. If fact, we think the opposite. Amel is so well designed we do not feel it is big at all. Some marinas and moorings in the USA charge extra for boats over 50'. We just say "see ya" and stay elsewhere. We have never been at a loss for a place to stay. For the most part, businesses are willing to take our money. You have probably noticed the draft and mast height are not Intracoastal friendly. But, if you want to travel the eastern Intracoastal Waterway buy a power boat (you are going to have to motor the entire way anyway). We have sailed eastern US and went outside. It is easier, faster and in my opinion much safer.

 

We recently sailed the Bahamas, an area notorious for shallow waters. When we told other cruisers we draw about 7' they give us the "oh my" face. If you are looking for a shallow draft boat, buy a cat. When you draw 2' you can get into places off limits to mono-hulls. IMO there is not much difference between a 6' draft and a 7' draft when sailing shallow waters. A 7' foot draft usually means you are just going to run aground one minute before the 6' draft. For the most part we try to stay in 10', or more. In our entire Bahamas cruise, there were only two places we opted not to enter. We thought we were deep draft in the Bahamas until we met someone with a 9' draft. They had been to all the placed we visited.

 

The real question you have to ask yourself, is do you want a safe proven blue water cruising boat, or something else. We opted to purchase a boat that we knew would take us anywhere in the world with comfort and safety. If you start making sacrifices such as less draft or lower mast height, you are giving up some of the characteristics that make Amels awesome blue water cruisers.

 

 

With best regards,

 

Mark

 

Skipper

Sailing Yacht: Cream Puff

SM2K #275 - Currently cruising: Key West, FL (stuck waiting for weather!)

 

 

 

www.creampuff.us

 

From: amelyachtowners@... [mailto:amelyachtowners@...]
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 11:59 AM
To: amelyachtowners@...
Subject: RE: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction from Utah

 

 

Hi All,

Thanks for taking the time to respond in detail it helps tremendously! Two quick questions. I have read of Monsieur Amel's vision regarding his design and light handed sailing. Have you ever said to yourself "This craft is too large for us" if so in what aspect. Sailing, maintenance, housekeeping, storage-haul out, slip fees. One other question. Have you ever said "I wish I had a shallower draft". Has the draft of the SM kept you away of spoiled your days? Do you have regrets with either of these. Do you just deal with it, embrace it or indifferent. I know these are basic questions but this will be our largest and deepest draft boat to date.

 

Best Regards,

Chuck

 


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] whereabouts

karkauai
 

Now you guys and gals can see why I learned so much from Craig on that maiden voyage.  Read back through his posts and see just how resourceful and capable he is.

But...like me, he doesn't get it perfect every time...hmmm, maybe that's why the 50-90 rule works for me, my mentor showed me how to do things!

Glad you got it done Craig!

Kent


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction from Utah

karkauai
 

I haven't had the experience with a shower draft or smaller boat, Chuck. That may make it easier for me to live with the deeper draft of my SM.  The Bahamas are known as a shallow draft venue, but there are lots of great places I can go.  I can get into the ICW many places, but not use it to transit N & S.  I wouldn't likely do that anyway.
Even single-handing, I have never thought it was too much boat for me.  If you go much smaller you will lose the genset, that's a deal breaker for me.  I often have 2-4 guests aboard, and the SM is great for that,  any more and I start to get a little claustrophobic.

The difference in dockage  or storage between a 45' and a 53' is 15%.  I've never thought that was significant, since I'm almost always at anchor.

I bought Kristy to do blue water sailing.  I don't believe I could find a better boat for that purpose.

Kent 


whereabouts

Craig Briggs
 

---In amelyachtowners@..., <karkauai@...> wrote :
Hi Craig!  Hope you and Katherine are well.  Where y'at?
Kent

Hi Kent, We're back in Boca for the winter and Katherine is back to her part time job while I keep Sangaris in shape.  She's on a mooring in Vero Beach where she limped in a few weeks ago (the boat, not Katherine).  Funny story that other Amelians may enjoy.  

As we were motoring down from Melbourne the overheat alarm went off. I jumped down into the engine room and spotted a steady stream of water coming out in the vicinity of the circulating water pump. That's not an underway repair job so I just topped up the cooling water every five minutes with the cockpit shower hose, until we got to Vero Beach a couple of hours later.

The water pump had failed years ago in Mexico at about 3500 engine hours. The Perkins shop manual says it is not repairable and must be renewed, but the Mexicans in a little shop in Baja did fix it for about 80 pesos and it was fine.  I did replace it after getting back to the US, when I rebuilt the engine (in the cockpit in Ft Lauderdale!) So, assuming the replacement pump had failed, not surprisingly since we've now gone another 3500 hours, I ordered one from Trans Atlantic Diesel in Virginia. 

Went back the next week and pulled the engine, since replacing the pump is far easier that way than attempting to do it with the engine in place. The pump is behind the timing belt cover and you have to pull the cogged pulleys of the crankshaft, camshaft and injector pump, plus the timing belt and idler pulleys to get the cover off.  Then you can finally remove the water pump. Then reassemble everything, put the engine back in the engine room and reconnect all the plumbing, electric etc.

So, got that all sorted and refilled with antifreeze.  Son of a gun if she wasn't leaking just as bad. So, lifted the engine out a second time, stripped it down again and discovered the leak hadn't been from the pump after all - bad assumption on my part. It was a freeze plug on the engine block just below the water pump that had corroded through. Those are 84 cents at the auto parts store - yikes.  Anyway, put it all together again, plopped it back in the engine room, filled it up and it didn't leak. That was the good news. The bad news was it didn't want to start, although with lots of preheating and cranking it finally got going, but ran really rough with lots of smoke. A sure sign of the timing being off - likely because I put timing belt on one cog off.

So yesterday I just finished hoisting the engine out for the third time, moved the belt over one notch, reassembled and tossed it back in the engine room. Now works like a champ. Great fun and have set a new Guiness World Record for speedy engine removal - 1 hour, 52 minutes and 23 seconds.

Cheers,
Craig


Re: [Amel Yacht Owners] Introduction from Utah

Chuck_Kim_Joy
 

Hi All,
Thanks for taking the time to respond in detail it helps tremendously! Two quick questions. I have read of Monsieur Amel's vision regarding his design and light handed sailing. Have you ever said to yourself "This craft is too large for us" if so in what aspect. Sailing, maintenance, housekeeping, storage-haul out, slip fees. One other question. Have you ever said "I wish I had a shallower draft". Has the draft of the SM kept you away of spoiled your days? Do you have regrets with either of these. Do you just deal with it, embrace it or indifferent. I know these are basic questions but this will be our largest and deepest draft boat to date.

Best Regards,
Chuck